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Belt squeal upon acceleration? Serpentine or pulley?

Ok, so I recently switched out my serpentine belt (82K miles) because it was squealing regularly. Problem fixed. Fast forward to a few weeks later, and I'm starting to get a subtle squeak under the hood (sounds like it could be more towards the driver's side) when accelerating. It's usually more prominent during warm up, but it definitely only happens when accelerating. If I let off the pedal, it stops. Oddly enough, before replacing the serpentine, the squeal happened regardless of whether or not I had the pedal pressed. Any ideas? Not sure if it's a pulley, bearing, or what? I haven't had the chance to get someone to sit in the truck and accelerate for me while I listen.

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I have the same problem. Drives me bonkers and I can't maintain a constant speed on the highway without this ridiculous squeal. I feel like it has to do with the throttle cable...
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Did you get oil on the new belt or any of the pullies? If so, try blasting some black magic tire shine on it .... might help.
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Your ider pulley is dead, get a new one. It really sucks when it finally caves and you lose power everything along with the alternator and water pump.

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Thanks. Not sure which idler it is, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to fix both. Never got into any mud, so I suppose just premature failure. I would expect these things to last longer than the 80K I have one my truck, but oh well.

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The only time mine makes noise is when I first turn on the AC.
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Thanks. Not sure which idler it is, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to fix both. Never got into any mud, so I suppose just premature failure. I would expect these things to last longer than the 80K I have one my truck, but oh well.
Pretty sure there are actually three of them. Two do have the same part number.

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Pretty sure there are actually three of them. Two do have the same part number.
You're correct. I missed one in the belt routing diagram.

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You're correct. I missed one in the belt routing diagram.
take the belt off and spin the pullys by hand . if its rough or dosent spin for very long . its most likely done or on its way out.

the two uppers are the same pn , the lower idler pully is different than the rest . the idler pulley on the tensioner is not a servicable part so it must be swapped out as an assembly , ( found that the one of the uppers will work in a pinch with a .100" spacer , to replace the tensioner pulley).
i have a few upper idler pulleys that i have as spares , i could sell one . but for 15-20$ more you can get a brand new one.

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take the belt off and spin the pullys by hand . if its rough or dosent spin for very long . its most likely done or on its way out.

the two uppers are the same pn , the lower idler pully is different than the rest . the idler pulley on the tensioner is not a servicable part so it must be swapped out as an assembly , ( found that the one of the uppers will work in a pinch with a .100" spacer , to replace the tensioner pulley).
i have a few upper idler pulleys that i have as spares , i could sell one . but for 15-20$ more you can get a brand new one.

Thanks, that's a huge help. I was looking down in there tonight wondering how the heck I'm going to finagle a wrench and my hand in there to get the tensioner slid to the side and slide a pin in Suppose I'll get after it this weekend.

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Thanks, that's a huge help. I was looking down in there tonight wondering how the heck I'm going to finagle a wrench and my hand in there to get the tensioner slid to the side and slide a pin in Suppose I'll get after it this weekend.
It gets a lot easier if you remove the Fan shroud.

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It gets a lot easier if you remove the Fan shroud.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Thanks again, guys.

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It gets a lot easier if you remove the Fan shroud.
x2 take the 4 bolts that hold the fanclutch off and the 2 that hold the shroud and its a hell of a lot easier. in fact that the only way i will do it, its tough with custom skids and bumpers .

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The only time mine makes noise is when I first turn on the AC.
Your idler pulley is crapping the bed it will die completely soon, i just had that issue
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Do the bearings in the idler pulleys all have the same part #?

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Can't replace just the bearing, only the pulley assembly. And no, you can't get just the bearing from a supply house either.

And it is a five minute job to replace the idler (any one) from below, if you remove the skids plate. Its not worth removing that other bs people are talking about.
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Can't replace just the bearing, only the pulley assembly. And no, you can't get just the bearing from a supply house either.

And it is a five minute job to replace the idler (any one) from below, if you remove the skids plate. Its not worth removing that other bs people are talking about.
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Read the thread. Not for 2005+ Tacomas. The idlers are completely different for the new taco.

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Read the thread. Not for 2005+ Tacomas. The idlers are completely different for the new taco.
You posted the day I read the thread, sorry. FF has an 05+ Tacoma, so I assumed that's what he was talking about since he doesn't specify otherwise. I'm still not convinced it's the pulleys. It's intermittent. Some days it does it, some days it doesn't (no correlation to weather or temps really either), and it's certainly not getting worse. I'm planning to drop the skid (I guess if that's easier) this weekend, and check things out.

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When i did that write up, I was working on a '96 with a 3.4.

My '05 hasn't needed any pulley work yet.

I've replaced those bearings in lots of different stuff, American and Metric, so I assumed that the pulley on this motor is the same.

What's different about it?

Does it have something other than a bearing in it?

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Your idler pulley is crapping the bed it will die completely soon, i just had that issue
Thanks for the Input, I will have it checked next time I take it in the Dealer. It does a quick squeal and bangs when the AC kicks in the 1st time.
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When i did that write up, I was working on a '96 with a 3.4.

My '05 hasn't needed any pulley work yet.

I've replaced those bearings in lots of different stuff, American and Metric, so I assumed that the pulley on this motor is the same.

What's different about it?

Does it have something other than a bearing in it?
Nope just a bearing that is not comercially available. I called three bearing suppliers I use for work all the time and none can get the bearing.

FWIW its a Koyo 6302RMX Bearing whose dimensions are:

42mm OD
10mm Bore
13mm Brng Length

Everyone can get a 42/15/13 but then you have to have a special shoulder bolt made or some sleeves to reduce the bore, and by then you are at the cost of the new Idler assembly, $45.

Hell, if someone can find a bearing with those dimensions, I'll take three right off the bat for the three toasted idlers I've got sitting at home.

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If you look a little to the right of the box I'm pointing at...



I'm pretty sure that's a 6302. Maybe I'm confused.

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Thanks for the Input, I will have it checked next time I take it in the Dealer. It does a quick squeal and bangs when the AC kicks in the 1st time.
That noise is likely the AC electric clutch engaging, the bang is from the clutch the squeal or chirp is from the belt slipping a little when it has to start the cold compressor spinning from a dead stop. IMO nothing to worry about.
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If you look a little to the right of the box I'm pointing at...



I'm pretty sure that's a 6302. Maybe I'm confused.
Yeah, you are. Instead of checking the specs on that bearing you just post up your pick with a smart comment. The regular 6302 has the 15mm bore...thats what they tried to sell me [/

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looks like mine is startin to do the same thing (i think). gonna pull the belt off tomorrow to see for sure.

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I dropped the skid plate last weekend, and pulled the belt. Spun the pulleys, and they all seem fine. The tensioner seems to be in the worst condition of them all, but it still spins freely. Usually the belt squeals in the morning and afternoon during cold starts, but it didn't do it at all today. Strange.

Tensioner pulley/assembly is $100+ though.

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It's not so much as whether it spins or not, but how much slop is in the bearing. If you grab the pulley and wiggle it and it moves, the bearing is shot.
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