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Old 12-02-2013, 11:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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IFS: Front locker or 35's

What would you guys recommend, going to an Aussie locker up front or 35's? Last time out I got kinda pissed I couldn't run some stuff that I feel like I would have made on either 35's or a front locker. I know both are going to kill cv's but a front locker is a hell of a lot cheaper...
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im not sure of your gearing, but if youre stock then 35s will more than likley kill that and you will need to regear. i have had great times with my puny little 33s. my jeep is the only vehicle ive had with f/r lockers...with an aussie you may have a hard time on tight trails unless u kick out 4wd due to its locked in anytime there is power to the diff
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Open on 35's won't kill cv's....it will kill spider gears

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Open on 35's won't kill cv's....it will kill spider gears

Locked on 33's will kill cv's not spider gears
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And no matter what there is gonna be "i could have made it if......" situations. Currently for me it's "i could make it if i had more power"
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I would only recommend a full-time locker up front if you have or have converted to manual hubs.

I would personally go for the front locker, and go with an ARB, still cheaper than 35's if you were buying them new.
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I would only recommend a full-time locker up front if you have or have converted to manual hubs.

I would personally go for the front locker, and go with an ARB, still cheaper than 35's if you were buying them new.
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Hmmm, shelling out $1k plus on an ARB is tough to swallow right now. I figured that I would sell my 33's to offset the cost of 35's somewhat. I'm graduating in spring so it looks like it may have to wait until then. I'm not crazy about a manual hub conversion either to run an Aussie, I'll end up with too much in both to not justify an ARB and get full selectability.

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What would you guys recommend, going to an Aussie locker up front or 35's? Last time out I got kinda pissed I couldn't run some stuff that I feel like I would have made on either 35's or a front locker. I know both are going to kill cv's but a front locker is a hell of a lot cheaper...
bad idea all around. want 35s? SAS.
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33s and ARB up front. No CV issues/ still on OEM at 115k
You're doing it wrong then!

Just kidding.
I never broke too many CV's until my front lockright quit unlocking.
Not sure what happened to it. With the hubs locked and transfer case in 2wd I still have all the steering wheel bind as if it was welded up front. Just need the motivation to pull the damn thing out and investigate.
After it started not unlocking, my breakage rate went up 10 fold.
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You're doing it wrong then!

Just kidding.
I never broke too many CV's until my front lockright quit unlocking.
Not sure what happened to it. With the hubs locked and transfer case in 2wd I still have all the steering wheel bind as if it was welded up front. Just need the motivation to pull the damn thing out and investigate.
After it started not unlocking, my breakage rate went up 10 fold.
So in retrospect would you rather have waited and saved your money for an SAS instead of the locker and tires or was the bump in ability worth the extra cv breakage?
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So in retrospect would you rather have waited and saved your money for an SAS instead of the locker and tires or was the bump in ability worth the extra cv breakage?
Just get the ARB, you can always get 90% of your money back out of it when (if) you do SAS eventually. Its a tough cookie to swallow, but tastes so good when you do. Locked Fr&R, even IFS can take you places.

SAS isn't for everybody, hell I wheeled mine 5 years before the swap, and rarely got denied following swapped rigs and buggies almost everywhere.
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IFS w/ 32s and ARBs front/rear and no issues as of yet.....but I know it's not a matter of if but when that I will eventually bust something.


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Just get the ARB, you can always get 90% of your money back out of it when (if) you do SAS eventually. Its a tough cookie to swallow, but tastes so good when you do. Locked Fr&R, even IFS can take you places.

SAS isn't for everybody, hell I wheeled mine 5 years before the swap, and rarely got denied following swapped rigs and buggies almost everywhere.
Hell..looks like I'll be pulling some strings and eating ramen for a couple months now You're right about being able to get my cost back if plans ever change, that makes it easier to swallow.
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So in retrospect would you rather have waited and saved your money for an SAS instead of the locker and tires or was the bump in ability worth the extra cv breakage?
No, I wouldn't have waited.
I think the front locker increased my trucks ability so much.
I don't think I would have gone as many places without it ( not confidently, at least). There was no way I could spend $800+ on an ARB though. My only option was a lockright and a twin-stick transfer case. That's a poor mans ARB.


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Not to push you out of the conversation but, the 05+ cv's and diff are so much stronger than the 95-04. I've seen guys on 35's and 37's locked without too many issues. Look at Lurry and his close friends..
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Not to push you out of the conversation but, the 05+ cv's and diff are so much stronger than the 95-04. I've seen guys on 35's and 37's locked without too many issues. Look at Lurry and his close friends..
This is sooo true. I went everywhere locked on 37's and LT on my 05. Hell I had 37's on IFS long before lurry and his friends...first gen cv's are weak sauce.

ARB or twin stick and lockright or man hubs and lockright are your best options connor.
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No, I wouldn't have waited.
I think the front locker increased my trucks ability so much.
I don't think I would have gone as many places without it ( not confidently, at least). There was no way I could spend $800+ on an ARB though. My only option was a lockright and a twin-stick transfer case. That's a poor mans ARB.




Not to push you out of the conversation but, the 05+ cv's and diff are so much stronger than the 95-04. I've seen guys on 35's and 37's locked without too many issues. Look at Lurry and his close friends..
True.....my bad . At least I can vouch for the ARB being well worth the money.


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You'll spend much more on the SAS than you might think and you'll still be buying lockers, only then they will seem cheap compared to all the other shit you'll be buying.
If you can't afford the ARB then you sure as hell can't afford an axle swap. All things considered the 1K for the ARB will net you a lot of fun until you can afford to swap. Even then you could probably sell it to someone else starting to come along that path to financial ruin they call off roading.
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Just throwing out another option, assuming it's available for the OPs IFS Diff.

What about a Yukon Zip Locker?

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Never mind, I was on Yukon's web site. They only make 'em for the 8".
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You'll spend much more on the SAS than you might think and you'll still be buying lockers, only then they will seem cheap compared to all the other shit you'll be buying.
If you can't afford the ARB then you sure as hell can't afford an axle swap. All things considered the 1K for the ARB will net you a lot of fun until you can afford to swap. Even then you could probably sell it to someone else starting to come along that path to financial ruin they call off roading.
It wasn't as much about the dollar amount as it is that I just had a mental block about spending that much on ifs. But as you guys have pointed out, I can just resell and recoup most of the cost if/when I SAS. So I'll prolly go ARB.

Shit, walked down that path to ruin when I got into national level kart racing. $1k a weekend before you blink...if you don't tear anything up.
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I am eyeing up an autolocker to hold me over until an SAS (when i move out of this god forsaken hell hole to a place where there is more wheeling i.e out west) and when i find one for the right price. I have triple sticks, my add wired to a switch, and i wheel like a pussy so i figure ill be okay breakage wise. I love the stability of being low and on IFS and the reliability that i have right now (broke my first CV this summer since buying my taco in 05. Broke it on the easiest part of the trail exit.) If your itiching for a mod right now, look into a crawler, it will improve your offroad ability more than the 35s or lockers combined, but it will be around a grand to setup if you shop smartly, but worth evrey penny. SAS is overated for this terrain, you can handle 95% of terrain with a rear locker, ifs, 33s, a crawler, a winch, and a disregard for body damage because ive done it (especially at attica). You will also be a far better driver for it, so when you do get the SAS you can keep it low, on smaller tires and embarass your friends with 37s and tons always breaking shit.
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I am eyeing up an autolocker to hold me over until an SAS (when i move out of this god forsaken hell hole to a place where there is more wheeling i.e out west) and when i find one for the right price. I have triple sticks, my add wired to a switch, and i wheel like a pussy so i figure ill be okay breakage wise. I love the stability of being low and on IFS and the reliability that i have right now (broke my first CV this summer since buying my taco in 05. Broke it on the easiest part of the trail exit.) If your itiching for a mod right now, look into a crawler, it will improve your offroad ability more than the 35s or lockers combined, but it will be around a grand to setup if you shop smartly, but worth evrey penny. SAS is overated for this terrain, you can handle 95% of terrain with a rear locker, ifs, 33s, a crawler, a winch, and a disregard for body damage because ive done it (especially at attica). You will also be a far better driver for it, so when you do get the SAS you can keep it low, on smaller tires and embarass your friends with 37s and tons always breaking shit.
Fwiw I've got an auto in my truck so I'm unsure about a crawler. I've only had a time or two I've really thought to myself that I've wanted a lower crawl gear. I'll say something to Jeremy and see what his thoughts are because if I remember right he's auto with a crawlbox right?

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I wheel with 3 guys who have crawlers and autos, they all love them. Its a whole new level of control trust me. Jeremy actually has my old crawler adapters in his runner.
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With a slush box you don't really the the low 4.7 gears as it would be overkill with the torque converter but another stockish low range won't hurt when you stack em up at the tricky spots. However lots of auto folks get the low gears anyway. That's the "more of anything is always better" school of thought.
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I know this is a super old thread but I ran 35s and an Aussie locker in my first rig for over a year and never broke anything. I had 4.88 gears and drove it to school every day in Chicago traffic too. After I got a new daily I took it up north and went to a quarry. Didn't break a cv or anything in the diff. I snapped the shaft coming out of the steering box!
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