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Not sure how much of a build thread this is going to turn out to be (may take a while). Here is my recently acquired (from Gov Liquidations at the tune of $352 out the door) 1990 M101A2 trailer. I would have prefered a M416 but since the price is stupid high and I cant even find one remotley close to me I settled for this cheaper/semi local option. It has the original axle and smaller tires. I want to swap out the axle, but right now funds wont allow it. I am working on getting rid of the rust (the inside of the box was worse than the outside) and repainting/roll on bed liner. For now its going to be a camping gear transport trailer (which ultimately most expo trailers are). I have thrown around the idea of cutting it down some by cutting out a portion of the center and re welding the sides to the inside of the fender wells, then rebuilding the exposed floor for more of a trail friendly shape (think M416 with shelves on the sides for fuel/water cans) but I don't know if that would be worth the effort/sacrifice of space. Here are the pics from the day I got it home (pulled it home with my wifes honda pilot). It almost looks to big for my truck, but Im loving the amount of space it has.








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That's actually a nice little trailer. Why do you want to replace the axle? The trailer is designed for 37" hmmwv tires. You just don't have the rims for them. Good thing about the trailer is that it will take some heavy loads very well. I have hauled all kinds of stuff in the back (usually ammo) and I've never seen one flip unless a retard was at the wheel.

Suggestion for the fuel and water cans though. Save the bed space and put them out on the tongue with a shelf. You can easily mount a spare on the side of the trailer if you wish. These trailers are very flexible but think outside the box. At least you have the canvas and bows and staves for it. That's a complete trailer.


Honestly it is too big for your truck. The trailer has a capacity well above what you can tow offroad. But that doesn't mean that you have to put that much weight in it. Good thing is that it's made of mostly aluminum and while that's not as easy to weld it is light.

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That's actually a nice little trailer.
nice, maybe... but little ?

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That's actually a nice little trailer. Why do you want to replace the axle? The trailer is designed for 37" hmmwv tires. You just don't have the rims for them. Good thing about the trailer is that it will take some heavy loads very well. I have hauled all kinds of stuff in the back (usually ammo) and I've never seen one flip unless a retard was at the wheel.

Suggestion for the fuel and water cans though. Save the bed space and put them out on the tongue with a shelf. You can easily mount a spare on the side of the trailer if you wish. These trailers are very flexible but think outside the box. At least you have the canvas and bows and staves for it. That's a complete trailer.


Honestly it is too big for your truck. The trailer has a capacity well above what you can tow offroad. But that doesn't mean that you have to put that much weight in it. Good thing is that it's made of mostly aluminum and while that's not as easy to weld it is light.
It's all steel.
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Yeah, I like being able to move my M100 around by hand (not that it's finished or usable, but it is mobile).

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I think for now Im just going to leave it the size it is, and maybe when I can afford to swap the axle (this is apparently alot of the weight). For now it will just serve the purpose of getting my camping gear to where I want it without it getting wet (I have a few minor repairs to the tarp that I have to do) I have a large piece of canvas tarp that I may use to make a cover to go over the bows without the rails (assuming they will go in the rail post holes on the trailer). The possibilities with this thing are endless, I have seen some converted to campers as well (not what Im looking to do)

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Here are some photochops I did playing around (first one is for referance)


For this one I removed part of the front of the box:


For this one I removed part of the rear and front of the box and shortened the tongue, looks more balanced, but Im kind of scared of shortening the tongue (my welding skills are not spectacular, and I dont have money to pay someone to do it):


Either way it would still be really wide.

Speaking of a huge trailer check this out:
Here are the weights...
Empty (truck & trailer): 5920 lbs.
Full: 8680 lbs.
Trailer Weight (empty): 1,730 lbs.
Truck Weight (empty): 4190 lbs.
My Weight: 150 lbs.
Load Weight: 2710 lbs.
Truck/Trailer/Me weight: 8830 lbs.








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If you start chopping that thing, you should do some searching around for trailer formulas. If you get the dynamcs out of whack it will tow like crap. Also, be careful about getting that tongue too short. It may not seem like it but a longer tongue is easier to deal with in tight spots. A short tongue will jacknife the trailer into the truck quicker that you might think. Looks like a fun project.
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It's the smallest trailer for cargo with a hummer lol. I never really thought about it as being big though. I'm sure it looks huge when it's behind a taco though

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Well that certainly makes it easier to turn into your dream trailer.

But I don't think slicing it down on size would be a great idea either. They are pretty well balanced when it comes to towing as is. I am definitely paying attention to your trailer though. Good luck with the build!

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It's the smallest trailer for cargo with a hummer lol. I never really thought about it as being big though. I'm sure it looks huge when it's behind a taco though



Well that certainly makes it easier to turn into your dream trailer.

But I don't think slicing it down on size would be a great idea either. They are pretty well balanced when it comes to towing as is. I am definitely paying attention to your trailer though. Good luck with the build!

I did a sketch up with it behind a hilux and a AT Chaser (wish I could afford one of those) behind a hilux and they didnt look much different (assuming the scale of the hilux and chaser where correct), so Im feeling better about the size. I think Im going to leave it like it is for now, use it to get my camping stuff to base camps, and have the extra space it I need it (I dont need the whole thing for my camping stuff). I may use it on fire roads, but that will probly be the extent of its offroad use (at least until I can afford to swap out the axle, and get rid of some of the weight)

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It's definitely a durable trailer. You'll be very happy with it. If I didn't live on base and about 5 miles away from about 40 of these that still belong to the military I would consider going and getting one. It's a great all round utility trailer. I bet with a little work you could live out of the back of that thing. If you're light enough (140-160lbs) you can actually sleep in between the staves when you have the tarp over it

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I just got one of these to pull behind my 4runner. With the sides on it looks to big for the truck but with everything including tarp it is the same height as my 4Runner. I just sold the axle and a-frame tongue out of mine and was going to buy the new axle but as always something else came up(new tires for my truck). Now I have the box laying on its side in my garage and the frame on the floor. My plan is to make a new tongue out of receiver tube so I can go to a Max Coupler. I will use channel same size as frame to make the "A" out of to support the tongue. Factory it was 4' tongue and I am going to make mine 4'6" or maybe 5' to give a little more room for storage. Overall the trailer is 2" wider then my 4Runner and towed really nicely home from North Las Vegas. I will post a picture later for you.

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It's definitely a durable trailer. You'll be very happy with it. If I didn't live on base and about 5 miles away from about 40 of these that still belong to the military I would consider going and getting one. It's a great all round utility trailer. I bet with a little work you could live out of the back of that thing. If you're light enough (140-160lbs) you can actually sleep in between the staves when you have the tarp over it
Funny you mention living on base (I do as well, but Im AF, had to goto Bliss to get my trailer from DRMO)



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I just got one of these to pull behind my 4runner. With the sides on it looks to big for the truck but with everything including tarp it is the same height as my 4Runner. I just sold the axle and a-frame tongue out of mine and was going to buy the new axle but as always something else came up(new tires for my truck). Now I have the box laying on its side in my garage and the frame on the floor. My plan is to make a new tongue out of receiver tube so I can go to a Max Coupler. I will use channel same size as frame to make the "A" out of to support the tongue. Factory it was 4' tongue and I am going to make mine 4'6" or maybe 5' to give a little more room for storage. Overall the trailer is 2" wider then my 4Runner and towed really nicely home from North Las Vegas. I will post a picture later for you.

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I felt the same way about myn (being to big) Im almost over that now. I am in the process of repainting and putting bedliner in right now, once that is done Im going to try to use the bows without the rails, and some duck tarp I have to make it a little more low profile. I dont need all the space the rails provide just for camping, will hold on to the rails for use later though. Looks like you have the same plan as me (axle swap) Im going to get the axle later though, for now Im just going to use it as is. How much did you sell yours for? Also where did you find the replacement axle for that price? Thanks

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I sold the axle and tongue assembly with complete surge brake for $300 to someone from a military vehicle site. I am sure if i had craigslisted the parts I could have got $400. The trailer axle was simple. I googled Dexter trailer axles, went to their site and did a dealer search. I then called a couple in my area and they were all within a couple dollars of each other. It was only $275 for axle with brakes but cost a little more for the parking brake feature.

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Cool Trailer, but I'm with everyone else, that is BIG and HEAVY. When you get that thing loaded, you will really feel it behind the truck. If you decide to modify the size of the box, you might just consider building a new one. Here are a few pics of the trailer I built (same basic 4x6' size as a M416) but with similar straight side construction as the M101 you have but with fenders instead of wheel wells. I built this trailer totally from scratch including the frame and I think I'm into the whole thing about $1500 and that's with the extra cost of matching wheels/tires, custom axle and an expensive Lock-n-Roll hitch.







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Keeping it balanced with a slightly biased weight over the tongue will help keep it tracking straight on the road.

As for tongue length, a longer tongue will be easier to back up. A shorter tongue will be more maneuverable on the trail. Some will use receiver tube and make an adjustable tongue, but that's too much hassle IMO. For me the right balance was to make the tongue as short as possible because I wanted to be able to pull it on technical trails, but to also keep it long enough that it would not contact the body of the truck if/when I jackknife the trailer. So far it has worked out great for me.

It's definitely not on par or anwhere close to a Chaser but it works great for hauling gear and making it down the trail.

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Cool Trailer, but I'm with everyone else, that is BIG and HEAVY. When you get that thing loaded, you will really feel it behind the truck. If you decide to modify the size of the box, you might just consider building a new one. Here are a few pics of the trailer I built (same basic 4x6' size as a M416) but with similar straight side construction as the M101 you have but with fenders instead of wheel wells. I built this trailer totally from scratch including the frame and I think I'm into the whole thing about $1500 and that's with the extra cost of matching wheels/tires, custom axle and an expensive Lock-n-Roll hitch.

Keeping it balanced with a slightly biased weight over the tongue will help keep it tracking straight on the road.

As for tongue length, a longer tongue will be easier to back up. A shorter tongue will be more maneuverable on the trail. Some will use receiver tube and make an adjustable tongue, but that's too much hassle IMO. For me the right balance was to make the tongue as short as possible because I wanted to be able to pull it on technical trails, but to also keep it long enough that it would not contact the body of the truck if/when I jackknife the trailer. So far it has worked out great for me.

It's definitely not on par or anwhere close to a Chaser but it works great for hauling gear and making it down the trail.

Good luck.
I like your trailer, I had seen your build thread a while back. I would like to have done something like that, but I was looking for something cheap that I could get now, and mod later. Plus I probably would have justified buying all that steel to my wife.

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Keep at it, and don't give up. I love how everyone says they are to big or heavy. Look at some of the other specs on the more popular off-road trailers and they are not that far off, especially with the increasing popluarity of the tear drops.

If you do an axle swap you will be sitting at 1000lbs. most off-road trailers are between 800-1300lbs and fully loaded close to 2k. Now if you are lucky and can make a small 4x6 or get a M416 or M100 then sure you can end up under 1k lbs.

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Cool Trailer, but I'm with everyone else, that is BIG and HEAVY. When you get that thing loaded, you will really feel it behind the truck. If you decide to modify the size of the box, you might just consider building a new one. Here are a few pics of the trailer I built (same basic 4x6' size as a M416) but with similar straight side construction as the M101 you have but with fenders instead of wheel wells. I built this trailer totally from scratch including the frame and I think I'm into the whole thing about $1500 and that's with the extra cost of matching wheels/tires, custom axle and an expensive Lock-n-Roll hitch.







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Keeping it balanced with a slightly biased weight over the tongue will help keep it tracking straight on the road.

As for tongue length, a longer tongue will be easier to back up. A shorter tongue will be more maneuverable on the trail. Some will use receiver tube and make an adjustable tongue, but that's too much hassle IMO. For me the right balance was to make the tongue as short as possible because I wanted to be able to pull it on technical trails, but to also keep it long enough that it would not contact the body of the truck if/when I jackknife the trailer. So far it has worked out great for me.

It's definitely not on par or anwhere close to a Chaser but it works great for hauling gear and making it down the trail.

Good luck.
I am working on a similar trailer...5x7 on a toyota 8in axle with springs that match my dakars on the 4runner.

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Ok I got the paint on it, I didnt do anything to thr frame/axle as far as paint (will get to doing that eventually) I also painted the wheels and starting putting on bed liner after these photos:







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