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To the people here who wheel, but don't belong to any trail organizations, donate money, or donate time to worthy causes:

What's your excuse?

Writing letters and sending emails is just about free.

Attending a trail cleanup, work weekend, or organized protest is a small sacrifice.

If you can afford $3 a gallon to fill up, probably much more on beer and food, how come you can't spend a few bucks to help keep trails open?

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I think the main problem is that lots of people have no idea what is going on in the background and when they find out it's usually too late to do anything about it.

Here in CA we are currently getting bent over by the USDA Forest Service. Eldorado National Forest is the first to implement new restrictions because of a lawsuit brought by environmental groups, although all forests have been scheduled to do the same thing in the near future.

The actions being taken have led to hundreds of miles of trails becoming off-limits.

I encourage everyone to read, learn, get pissed off, and do something about it. I am not going to stand by and peacefully watch the places I love become closed to motorized recreation.

ENF employees have quietly watched small issues slowly turn into huge disasters without doing a thing. They like to set us up to fail. Instead of properly managing OHV trails, they let things get out of control and then simply close the area.

It's our land, and we are entitled to use it in a responsible manner. If we don't do anything, we will lose it all.

Here is what prompted my rant....

The NorCal TTORA chapter has 518 members. A whole whopping 6 people showed up for the Rubicon work weekend. It was made clear to everyone that anyone who needed a ride would get one, yet we had empty seats. This leads me to believe that very few people actually give a shit.

From now on I expect to see some support out on the trail. A CA4WDC sticker. A BRC sticker. A Tread Lightly sticker. A TLCA sticker. A FOTR sticker. Something to show that you actually deserve to be using the awesome trails we have here in CA.

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To the people here who wheel, but don't belong to any trail organizations, donate money, or donate time to worthy causes:

What's your excuse?
No job at all... My health isn't great, long story... No friends... Everyone where I live has a stick up there arse. If your caught on someone else's land you will be threatened at gun point or arrested. And no, asking them nicely to use there land, promiseing not to trash it and offering them money doesn't work...

I also hate and I mean hate being around a bunch of people.

I got more if you want to know.

Basicly i've been alone my whole life. If I go offroading I have to go alone.

Again, I have more if you want.

Thats my excuse.

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Shesh you sure lay the guilt trip on people who haven't done much!

lol, i'm still very much a n00b to tacoma territory and 4-wheeling in general (lol i actually crashed my rice burner and my friend from pirate4x4 convinced me to get a truck.....best decision so far in my life!).

Is there an organization that I should start with first? I'll definetly be at the next trail cleanup....as long as I have a seat to hop in with, which is sounds like I probably will.

I think i'm going to join Tread Lightly and CA4WDC

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Shesh you sure lay the guilt trip on people who haven't done much!

lol, i'm still very much a n00b to tacoma territory and 4-wheeling in general (lol i actually crashed my rice burner and my friend from pirate4x4 convinced me to get a truck.....best decision so far in my life!).

Is there an organization that I should start with first? I'll definetly be at the next trail cleanup....as long as I have a seat to hop in with, which is sounds like I probably will.

I think i'm going to join Tread Lightly and CA4WDC

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BTW, thanks for spanking me to get a move on it!
I don't mean too, its just the truth. He asked, "What's your excuse," so I just told him mine.
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Shesh you sure lay the guilt trip on people who haven't done much!
Add up the amount of time you have spent fucking around on the internet.

Seriously, tell me how many hours a day that amounts to. Spend 15 minutes writing a letter to one of our elected criminals explaining how you are a taxpayer and that you vote and that you won't be voting for them next year because they don't support OHV recreation in National Forests.

It's easier than you think. If you guys need a list of people for sending nasty emails and letters, I can get you one!

As far as laying a guilt trip, anyone who gives a shit about wheeling would already know this stuff, how's that for a guilt trip?

Most legit CA four wheel drive clubs require paid membership which includes funds that are donated to CA4WDC, etc. TTORA is free, so we end up with a bunch of freeloading web wheelers who only like to see their name on a web page.

Bob and I have decided to change the membership rules. If we haven't seen you on a trail run or other event in the last couple years, you aren't a member!

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Shesh you sure lay the guilt trip on people who haven't done much!

lol, i'm still very much a n00b to tacoma territory and 4-wheeling in general (lol i actually crashed my rice burner and my friend from pirate4x4 convinced me to get a truck.....best decision so far in my life!).

Is there an organization that I should start with first? I'll definetly be at the next trail cleanup....as long as I have a seat to hop in with, which is sounds like I probably will.

I think i'm going to join Tread Lightly and CA4WDC

Kaleo

BTW, thanks for spanking me to get a move on it!
joint CA4WDC! good group and 'In Gear' has lots of good info and suggestions on what to do.

and hey, we picked up a bunch of trash on our trip

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I don't mean too, its just the truth. He asked, "What's your excuse," so I just told him mine.
mmmmm ok?

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and hey, we picked up a bunch of trash on our trip
NO YOU DID!!! I was trying to find some but you had the eye of a hawk looking for mice! When you got out I was like.....how in the hell did he see that?!

lol k i'm signing up now for CA4WDC

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NO YOU DID!!! I was trying to find some but you had the eye of a hawk looking for mice! When you got out I was like.....how in the hell did he see that?!

lol k i'm signing up now for CA4WDC
dude, I left some for you! you telling me now that you missed them?? Damn, now I'll have to go back up there again

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mmmmm ok?
Sorry my miistake. I thought you were referring to my post. Its late here and i'm to tired for my brain to function properly.
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I feel for you guys. Fortunately, we haven't had to deal with near as many land issues out here, but it is starting to happen. When the shit does hit the fan, I can only hope that folks out here take a proactive stance. My g/f's little brother was over here the other day and he read a response letter that I have on my fridge from Bill Frist. He couldn't understand why I was getting letters from senators. I told him that as a red-blooded American, it's every voter's right and responsibilty to maintain communication with the lawmakers who make decisions that concern the public.

When land use becomes an issue in my neck of the woods, I'll be there. And, since I'm an off-road enthusiast who loves to enjoy trails wherever I can get my rig, I will support any endeavor that furthers our sport/hobby as a whole. I may not pay taxes out west, but I would be more than happy to send emails and letters to anyone and everyone who has anything to do with any trails that I plan on running in the future. Mileage is no boudary in my book. A trail is a trail and I hope to run them all before the day that I die. If there is anything that I can do, I am more than happy to contribute.

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I don't think as Daniel said we have quite the same issues here, but I try to do my part and pick up trash when I see it. Also there is another 4x4 club that goes out to local trails on the 1st sat of the month and if you help out you get a free day pass. Soemthing like this is always welcome.

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From now on I expect to see some support out on the trail. A CA4WDC sticker. A BRC sticker. A Tread Lightly sticker. A TLCA sticker. A FOTR sticker. Something to show that you actually deserve to be using the awesome trails we have here in CA.

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i only had $4 in my checking account........... but i still became a member of CA4wd, tread lightly, blue ribbon, and FOTR....
for everyone it isnt that expensive....like $20 a year for each, much less than a tank of gas.

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i only had $4 in my checking account........... but i still became a member of CA4wd, tread lightly, blue ribbon, and FOTR....
for everyone it isnt that expensive....like $20 a year for each, much less than a tank of gas.
so you wrote bad checks to all of them??

Ca4wd is $40 now but still the price of a tank of gas, LOL

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To the people here who wheel, but don't belong to any trail organizations, donate money, or donate time to worthy causes:

What's your excuse?

Writing letters and sending emails is just about free.

Attending a trail cleanup, work weekend, or organized protest is a small sacrifice.

If you can afford $3 a gallon to fill up, probably much more on beer and food, how come you can't spend a few bucks to help keep trails open?

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Take in to account that not all of us live in California and dont have the personal connection to the issues at hand out there on a daily basis. As of now I am not a paying member of any of the organizations that are mentioned here frequently, which anyone is free to rip me for that if they so choose.

I can say that up here in Montana I write the law makers all the time about issues regarding OHV issues, national forest use, hunting issues, fishing issues. I pick up trash all the time when I am out and I always chew someones ass if I see them doing stupid crap when I am out wheeling. Personally I feel like I try to do my part but hate it when I get ripped because I am not a paying member of some orginization. I would love to come out to cali all the time to help with cleanups and such its just not something I can afford. I try do my part up here in Montana, so if someone wants to rip me they can. I just hope everyone realizes that we could all do more(even me), but when it comes down to it at one level or another we are all on the same team.

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I feel for you guys. Fortunately, we haven't had to deal with near as many land issues out here, but it is starting to happen. When the shit does hit the fan, I can only hope that folks out here take a proactive stance. My g/f's little brother was over here the other day and he read a response letter that I have on my fridge from Bill Frist. He couldn't understand why I was getting letters from senators. I told him that as a red-blooded American, it's every voter's right and responsibilty to maintain communication with the lawmakers who make decisions that concern the public.

When land use becomes an issue in my neck of the woods, I'll be there. And, since I'm an off-road enthusiast who loves to enjoy trails wherever I can get my rig, I will support any endeavor that furthers our sport/hobby as a whole. I may not pay taxes out west, but I would be more than happy to send emails and letters to anyone and everyone who has anything to do with any trails that I plan on running in the future. Mileage is no boudary in my book. A trail is a trail and I hope to run them all before the day that I die. If there is anything that I can do, I am more than happy to contribute.

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Along those lines. I saw a TTORA stiker on a Taco last night that was heading up Bascom. Told the wife to speed up so I could look see who it was. He sure as hell didn't look like anybody I know or ever met so why does he have the sticker on his truck?
I think that membership should be more tightly controlled and would even be willing to pay an annual fee. In the same light, the use of TTORA logo should be as tightly controlled. There is no telling how many asshats are out there running around with a TTORA sticker on their trucks giving this club a bad rep.
How about we take this whole thing, including this board, up a notch and make it just for the folks who are active, actually do something or give a shit.

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Along those lines. I saw a TTORA stiker on a Taco last night that was heading up Bascom. Told the wife to speed up so I could look see who it was. He sure as hell didn't look like anybody I know or ever met so why does he have the sticker on his truck?
I think that membership should be more tightly controlled and would even be willing to pay an annual fee. In the same light, the use of TTORA logo should be as tightly controlled. There is no telling how many asshats are out there running around with a TTORA sticker on their trucks giving this club a bad rep.
How about we take this whole thing, including this board, up a notch and make it just for the folks who are active, actually do something or give a shit.
mmmm...I agree : ) Whether it be a small due for a year of membership or your activity with your local TTORA chapter? maybe you can't get a sticker till you have been a member for a certain period of time or certain amount of post's but if that was the case you would have a thousand stickers!!..Not sure how to measure all that stuff though...but good idea...

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A thousand stickers!!!! Just think of the horse power gain from that. It boggles the mind. LOL

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