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Hey all. Starting my SAS after months of scouring the internet and collecting parts.

I've ran this truck with stock suspension and 3" spacer lift last year & it left a lot to be desired. Ride was stiff and front wheels were constantly in the air.





Plan is to 3 link with a d44 in the front. I'm a cheap SOB so I've been sourcing parts off of craigslist and junkyards. The downside to that is that I end up spending a lot of time cleaning and bringing a lot of nasty parts back from the dead.

This is my first SAS so all advice, questions, and comments will be thoroughly appreciated along the way.

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Picked this up back in February. '76 f250 with axles, driveshafts, divorced np205, and all steering components. Way more than I needed but took it home for $280.

Guy listed it as a '79 I almost creamed my drawers cause I had been holding out for a heavy duty 44RS front. Was disappointed for sure but hoping I can make the low pinion work for the 3 link.


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Scavenged all the parts off of the old ford frame.



Wish I could use these things


The only things I kept were the front axle, driveshaft, & steering box. The rest was sold on CL and I was able to make a few bucks back.

Paid -$280
Sold ppindles, hubs, & stub shafts +$100
Sold rear d60 +$80
Sold divorced NP205, mid and rear shafts +$300
Cut frame up (too rusty) and scrapped +$18

Then bought a d44 from an '85 grand wagoneer to do
a knuckles-out swap - $150
Sold waggy axle housing +$40
Sold waggy shafts +$50
Bought extra crap from rock auto to replace old
seals & rusty parts -$180

So roughly even at this point thanks to a great deal on the f250 frame.

Ford outers looked like they had been parked in a swamp for the last 5 years.




Ford/Waggy hybrid is complete now and can't wait to start torching the front off of the Toy.

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Cut the IFS stuff off and finished cleaning up the frame this week.





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Cool...I will be following this. I got a 79 f250 hp 44 last year and have been collecting parts since getting ready to start mine as well. Look forward to seeing yours come together.
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Nice. So is that 76' axle full-width like the 79' would be?

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Nice. So is that 76' axle full-width like the 79' would be?
Yeah, WMS ended up being 63.5". The Waggy knuckles and hubs brought the width down few inches on each side.
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Got frame all cleaned up. Man, so tired of grinding dust and laying on my back in a shower of sparks.




Once it was all clear down there I started scoping out oil pan clearance. I've been watching junkyards for months here in MN for a 2wd T100 to show up but haven't found one yet. Not really a fan of drilling in new dipstick and all the mumbo jumbo that goes with the mod so I started looking into drivetrain lift after seeing a friend "tummy tuck" his Jk.

I already have a 1.5" body lift do I just unbolted the body and doubled a few of them up...


Then jacked motor and t-case up roughly 3"





Internet reading told me 3" would get me close to a flat belly so I did some right angle math and figured I'd need a 1.720 spacer in between the engine and mount to get me 3" vertical. Local steel supply had a 2x5 chunk of .250" wall steel in the scrap pile. This put me at 3.5 inches of drivetrain lift which may or may not be a bit sketchy but I'm cheap and willing to try.




Tacked another chunk in place to hold the transfer case up until I figure out where the lower link mounts will go.


Tucked everything in nicely but will have to wait & see if it gave me any usable oil pan clearance.

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Disclaimer: I will definitely brace those motor mounts and make some legit body spacers if I end up running this.

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Hope this thing will be really low. That's a lot of weight up high.

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Hope this thing will be really low. That's a lot of weight up high.
Agreed. I rolled the axle underneath and was able to drop it down 5" to a frame height of 17" to bottom of rails. 4-5" of up travel will put me at 21-22".

If it feels sketchy on the trails I'll pull the blocks and start reworking it over the winter. Man I hope not though...
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Rolled the axle underneath and lowered the truck down until it hit the axle. Driver frame rail was the first thing to make contact, hitting the side of the pumpkin.






From this point of view, I was not too impressed with potential for up travel. Then I remembered the body is sitting sky high on 3" pucks. At least I won't have to do any fender trimming.



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Notch the frame for the pumpkin but I would imagine steering and pan hard wouldn't let the pumpkin get that close.

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Or do like most people and cut off the front half of the frame and build your own. No more scary motor mounts + more up travel = win?

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So you have a super tall body lift and instead of getting rid off it - as most people would have done - you decided add a drive train lift on top of it, so that you could save money by not buying a t100 oil pan?

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So you have a super tall body lift and instead of getting rid off it - as most people would have done - you decided add a drive train lift on top of it, so that you could save money by not buying a t100 oil pan?


Precisely

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yeah but you wheel like Tim Cameron
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So you have a super tall body lift and instead of getting rid off it - as most people would have done - you decided add a drive train lift on top of it, so that you could save money by not buying a t100 oil pan?
Avoiding the oil pan mod was what got me thinking but big reason for doing it is for the flat belly.

How to give the 3rd Gen 4Runner a flat bottom... - Page 3 - YotaTech Forums

Toyota Drivetrain Lift

I know I'm pushing COG up but with frame at rocker will be relatively low 21" on 35's. I promise to come back and admit failure the first time I put it on it's lid.

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Well. We need updates. Let's see this thing.

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yeah but you wheel like Tim Cameron
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Not much time lately. Went to junkyard for a 3rd gen double cardan driveshaft and also found an IFS steering box. Big relief because the girth and mounting position of the old ford box was a pain, not to mention it seems to weigh a hundred lbs.



Got into the steering shaft linkage and got it pointed in the right direction. This is the piece that comes through the firewall.


The joints are at a fixed angle by this ball and socket arrangement so I yanked the plastic piece out, cut the plate, and free-ed it up to point at the steering box.


Before


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Making 3/16 ghetto frame plates now. Getting them into the right shape and started drilling last night.

Still need to round or fish the ends right?





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Yes. You don't want any points on your plates. Can cause tears in the frame.

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yeah but you wheel like Tim Cameron
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I've been laying under the truck for two days trying to figure out some creative way to route a panhard and I'm ready to admit that, even with the engine up high, it aint going to happen without a rear sump oil pan.

Tore these off today and will start trying to scrounge a cheap t100 pan.

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On the positive side, box from Ruffstuff showed up on Friday.


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https://www.ebay.com/itm/201242204638

Quick search on fleabay. I recommend ruff stuff to everyone.


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Saw that one but it's a 4x4.

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It has to be a 2wd pan?

http://www.lceperformance.com/Oil-Pa...-p/1013240.htm
I'd just pay the $135


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yeah but you wheel like Tim Cameron
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Not much time on truck lately but did manage to paint & install T-100 oil pan.
Check out the mess that came out of the pickup tube! One guess what killed the donor 3.4




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Hey all. Slow progress with summer vacations and other commitments. Here's update.

T100 oil pan in. I was shying away from this because if the hassle of getting correct parts and especially porting the new dipstick. Got lucky and found the perfect donor truck so no biggie there. Then read somewhere on the net that some were just trimming the front sump dipstick. Boom and done.




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Installed the home made frame braces and ghetto supported the ghetto motor mount blocks.




And got steering box tucked as far forward as possible without chopping off the body mount.




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