wow I should have done this first

[Taco_Man]

Will after looking at Demello's Taco I have more moding to do. I am going to save up for a SAS now. But that will all come after the front and rear armer. But still this truck looks bad as take a look.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1096673/scttora59.jpg

So what all is done with a SAS to a taco? I understand that its a new axle but what else? What are the benefits and the con's?

If this is in the wrong place Molly and Troy fill free to move.

[AxleIke]

What has to be done?

Cut the front of your truck off, put a new one on.

Figure out how to make the truck work again, since you have all sorts of electronics hooked up on the front that you will be cutting off.

This requires a lot of fab skill, lots of cutting, grinding and welding.

Leaf springs are extremely easy, links and coils/overs are less so. Links requires a basic understanding of geometry, but nothing too hard.

To build it like they have at demello, better have at least 15k in the bank.

Pro's= strength, tire size, flex.

Cons= you just voided any waranty that you had on the truck, and you just married it. Trying to sell a truck like that means you take a financial hit like no other.

Go to pirate4x4 and do some research. For a few months.

[Taco_Man]

Cons= you just voided any waranty that you had on the truck, and you just married it. Trying to sell a truck like that means you take a financial hit like no other.

Yea by time I do this there will be no warranty to void but I understand where you are coming from. I will hit 60k on my 07 this month and the way I see it this is going to be a bid mod about 5 years down the road. I do not plane on ever selling my taco. I may buy a new vehicle when this one is payed off. BUt after it is fully payed off the sky is the limit with it.

EDIT: I forgot. All-pro is in the process of making a SAS kit for the 05+ Tacoma's.

[Taco_Man]

I am manly trying to get a feel of what would need to be done as well as all that is included in something like this. I would love to have my taco be able to clime over some of the shit that I have seen you guys do. But for now it is staying the way it is as I am struggling financially. Which is why I have not been out on the trails. I currently have high priorities but I am still dreaming and planing on thing that I would like to accomplish with my truck.

SAS is one of them since I have started to get the feel for the off-roading in Colorado. If I still lived in socal I would have never even started to think about this type of mod's. I would be dreaming of long travel and suck. But I have grown out of my jumping days and I rather be growing down this path instead of another kid haling ass thru the desert and killing him self. SO some of the main reasons that I am starting to be interested in SAS is because I am starting to see an all these big ass rocks and going wow I would live to be able to make it over that in my taco with out killing my self are roiling it.

[AxleIke]

As I said, go to Pirate.

You'll be able to see some of the sickest builds out there, and it will give you a very good idea of what is involved.

A SAS is a SAS. It can be as complex or as simple as you like it. Your truck is going to be comperable to an earlier taco swap.

I like your thinking though, if you're going to do it, do it big, like the demello truck.

[Taco_Man]

Well after looking at there photos and there post on it I think I will just be calling them up (since I have talked to Jason a bit) and figuring out everything that way. But damn I so want one.

http://image56.webshots.com/156/0/13/56/507301356pSpBkY_ph.jpg
http://image61.webshots.com/61/5/7/46/2038507460067513772QqiCdX_ph.jpg
http://image61.webshots.com/61/1/69/50/2391169500067513772emmgra_ph.jpghttp://image52.webshots.com/152/4/91/23/2792491230067513772yxbnZp_ph.jpg

Ok I will stop posting there pic's I am just so exited and screw waiting tell I pay the damn thing off.

[Lysmachia]

Seriously wait and consider all the implications before you SAS. I would NEVER SA a newer Taco. Why, you can SA an older one for a lot less money and a lot less worry about body damage.

Look at it this way, if You SA your truck you are ASKING for body damage. You'll be able to take lines that will almost guarantee body damage.

Also look closely at All Pro's kit. I have it, and have had lots of problems with strength. If you are going to go through all the trouble of SA'ing a newer Taco, then spend the money and have it done right. Probably not with an All pro kit.

I know SA's look cool, and might get you more places, but frankly after having one and also having a fully loaded IFS, I think I prefer the IFS. Seriously! I love it when Troy's rig schools a SA rig which is quite often! :neener:

My 2 cents ;)

[Mythica]

Seriously wait and consider all the implications before you SAS. I would NEVER SA a newer Taco. Why, you can SA an older one for a lot less money and a lot less worry about body damage.


Look at it this way, if You SA your truck you are ASKING for body damage. You'll be able to take lines that will almost guarantee body damage.

Also look closely at All Pro's kit. I have it, and have had lots of problems with strength. If you are going to go through all the trouble of SA'ing a newer Taco, then spend the money and have it done right. Probably not with an All pro kit.

I know SA's look cool, and might get you more places, but frankly after having one and also having a fully loaded IFS, I think I prefer the IFS. Seriously! I love it when Troy's rig schools a SA rig which is quite often! :neener:

My 2 cents ;)

I agree with the body damage! since my swap i have tacoed my taco a few times.

I would also agree with swaping an older taco. I love my truck, its a 98 so its older :D

The pros: well its pretty obvious, you can wheel it pretty much everywhere. If you go with CO's it will drive better than it did stock, mine does.

Cons: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ it cost at least that many dollar signs to get it set up right.


And i need to go wheeling with Troy, i want to see him school some sas'd rigs. ;)

[00regcab]

You may not plan on selling your truck... but look at it this way.

Its paid off, its SAS'd and built.

What happens if you get t-boned or something along those lines on the street and the vehicle totals? Insurance wont cover your after market parts, and if the trucks got rock rash on it, and its been cut up, im sure they'll drop A LOT of the value off of it.

Sure you could keep it and buggy it, but then that requires a trailer and a tow rig, so theres even more $$$$$, also, if youre in an emissions area of colorado you might want to re-consider for the simple fact that they'll hassle you like no other.

Troy once said "theres maybe two trails in all of Colorado that you would need a SAC for" (may not be those EXACT words, but they're damn close, i know that much) You should also consider, jumping straight into a SAS without much experience under your belt, and your pretty SAS taco will quickly turn into a beat up rock rig, thats really not practical for anything else.

Start small, build up, learn your truck and learn your limits, gears and lockers make a world of difference.

[Taco_Man]

Seriously wait and consider all the implications before you SAS. I would NEVER SA a newer Taco. Why, you can SA an older one for a lot less money and a lot less worry about body damage.

Look at it this way, if You SA your truck you are ASKING for body damage. You'll be able to take lines that will almost guarantee body damage.

Also look closely at All Pro's kit. I have it, and have had lots of problems with strength. If you are going to go through all the trouble of SA'ing a newer Taco, then spend the money and have it done right. Probably not with an All pro kit.

I know SA's look cool, and might get you more places, but frankly after having one and also having a fully loaded IFS, I think I prefer the IFS. Seriously! I love it when Troy's rig schools a SA rig which is quite often! :neener:

My 2 cents ;)

I agree with the body damage! since my swap i have tacoed my taco a few times.

I would also agree with swaping an older taco. I love my truck, its a 98 so its older :D

The pros: well its pretty obvious, you can wheel it pretty much everywhere. If you go with CO's it will drive better than it did stock, mine does.

Cons: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ it cost at least that many dollar signs to get it set up right.


And i need to go wheeling with Troy, i want to see him school some sas'd rigs. ;)

I understand what both of you are say and when and if I do it I will more then likely be picking Demello's brain's or having them build it. After looking at all the shit that go's into it I rather have it custom built for my needs then a kit that I install. Also from my reading of Demello's build it is easer then building the older taco's up. But I have not got past the first page yet since I am at work. This is not something that I will be starting this year, and I will be doing about 2 years worth of research before I do it. So by the time I do this I will have something else to drive everyday and will have this as my main toy. Right now I am just gathering thoughts, ideas, recommendations, and any ether useful information to help make my dissuasion.

Since I put my sliders on I have already started to take on more damage. Just before I when to CA I ripped my 7 pin and hitch cover off my truck. It also tweaked my hitch some. So after fighting it for so long saying how much I don't like rear bumpers I will be putting one on as soon as I have the cash to build that and a front bumper. I am also looking at going up to a 285 instead of the 265's I have on now, and also looking at what I would need to fit 35" under it as well.

I am looking in to the future about 2-5 years from know of where I would like to see my taco go.

[Lysmachia]

And i need to go wheeling with Troy, i want to see him school some sas'd rigs. ;)

LOL Ok you got my excitement there! I won't say he skools em, but he drives the same obstacle in IFS and to many SA rig's to their dis-belief. More Jeeps than Yota's though are surprised. :D

[Taco_Man]

LOL Ok you got my excitement there! I won't say he skools em, but he drives the same obstacle in IFS and to many SA rig's to their dis-belief. More Jeeps than Yota's though are surprised. :D

Thats because there Yota's... I remember when all the build fords where wondering how the hell my pre-runner taco could make it up shit they need 4 wheel drive to get up. Yota's just seam to get over what ever obstacle you throw at them as long as you have the right lines. But I will stop with my Yota loven

[Mythica]

LOL Ok you got my excitement there! I won't say he skools em, but he drives the same obstacle in IFS and to many SA rig's to their dis-belief. More Jeeps than Yota's though are surprised. :D

I believe that! i would take an ifs taco or runner over anything off the jeep lot. I have seen and have done some obsticles in my truck when it was ifs that the jeeps couldnt believe. One guy, as my brother was spotting me at Wheeler Lake said, "dont waste your time, there is no way that rice burner can get up this" my brother just shook his head and said "watch" Seconds later i was at the top of the obsticle, in one shot. The same obsticle said jeep guy could barely get up after his second attempt. later in the same trip, the same jeep guy got stuck, and i pulled him out, no harm no foul :) The longer wheel base is what helps a lot when comparing jeeps to tacos.

now that i have a SAS'd taco, the jeep people just drop their jaws and scratch their heads :D

Oh by the way, i wasnt being a smart ass, i would actually like to go wheeling with you all. I can take some skool'n ;)

[mgoose82]

hell i used to TOW jeeps up lines they said i was stupid for even thinking about in a stock taco.

then again, i could care less about body damage, i just see the body as a "FULL LENGTH FACTORY SLIDER"

[Taco_Man]

http://ttora.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1299626&postcount=5

and this is sick.
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72522

Come one Eric do it.... :D

[jarboarder1]

DO It!!!
I agree with all the things people are saying, older trucks and wheeling your IFS.
But it will be so Bad Ass.
the only thing that scares me on the new trucks is all the wiring.

[Brandon]

I agree with the above about sas'ing a new truck with a nice body. I would also take it one step further and tell you to get a buggy and use your new taco to pull it. I have a SAS'd '02 and I don't take a lot of lines that I'd like to try because I don't want to roll my truck. But with a buggy, just roll it back over and forget about it.

IFS is where I'm going to have to disagree with a lot of the above posts. IFS will get you a lot of places especially locked f/r like Troy but there are a lot of places IFS can't go. IFS doesn't flex, sorry. 35s are about the biggest tire IFS can handle and even that's pushing it. I'm on 37s now and would much rather be on 40s. Dont get me wrong, you can have a lot of fun with IFS and still be able to drive to/from work and the trail without any issues. However I think some people go a little overboard and equate rock crawling IFS to SAS and its just not true IMO.

[jarboarder1]

here we go :D

[Brandon]

Indeed, did I start it? :D

[jarboarder1]

I think so :lmao:

My stand point: You can have an extremely built IFS rig (like troys) wheel amazing lines, But once your at that point why not have it SASed?
I think it is all personal choice and dont care either way, but I feel my rig is much better off with a SA :D

[mgoose82]

i'm going to be collecting parts this fall/wimter for an SAS on my '01.

i see what you guys are saying about how you can have a truely impressive IFS, and i really do agree, i've had my taco up some trails that it had no reason being on at all. but my point is, i want more. and the only way i can really do that is SAS.

but mike, seriously listen to these guys when they say learn your truck first, i've wheeled mine for 7 yrs now and i'm still learning things it can do. the big difference between you and i is that you want to keep your truck NICE, i don't really care if i screw up the body on my rig.

i also agree with these guys when they say leave your truck alone and get something else to build

[fjcruzer]

http://ttora.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1299626&postcount=5

and this is sick.
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72522

Come one Eric do it.... :D

Yeah I watched that build... for MONTHS. I don't know what ridiculous amount of money went into that, but I don't have it. Sbechtold has a very cool rig.

If I wanted to truly crawl, I'd get an SAS buggy and tow it behind my nice new Tundra, but wanting to be versatile, I'll stick with IFS. I've been building up my rig for 2 years and am now in the process of scaling it back for reliability rather than extremity. It's been an expensive lesson in what really makes a difference on the trail. I'm working toward more of an expedition rig that can take some of the hardest trails in CO/UT, but it won't be a 21RD, BV Carnage, Billings rig. It's still amazing that I can blaze 85MPH in comfort to Moab, drop into 4LO and climb Moab Rim.
:2cents: more cents

[ike]

my only problem with sasing a rig is the fact that most people end up never going on a trail that the ifs wouldnt have handled. Your money is better spent on lockers and armor in my opinion. Plus look at the percentage of stock rigs that have major mechanical breakdowns on the trail vs. SAS'd rigs. When you mess that much with your truck, unless you take your time and are good you end up hurting its reliability out on the trail.

[RedRunnertc]

My stand point: You can have an extremely built IFS rig (like troys) wheel amazing lines, But once your at that point why not have it SASed?
I think it is all personal choice and dont care either way, but I feel my rig is much better off with a SA :D

Actually, if I ever DID decide to SAS, the only money I've spent (on mods - other than general maintenance) that would be "cut off" would be the front locker and the front skid plate. So, I spent about $1000 to save myself >$3000 ...

But seriously, the only trails in CO I don't think I could do with IFS are BV Carnage, Billings, Independence, and the hard stuff in Montrose (Cactus, Die Tryin', etc) - and ya know what, my aversion to body damage on my rig would keep me off those anyways. Additionally, running those trails without a tow rig (or some other way home/to work) is not a great idea.

Having had the opportunity to compare 2 pretty much otherwise identical rigs between Molly's and mine, and I'm pretty happy with the way my rig is built.

Some of my observations that are counter to the web-wheelers advice on the national forum:
- SAS is as much OR MORE maintenance than IFS
- If you don't do Longfields and extensive housing trussing, it's not much stronger

When you do a SAS, you have to come to the realization that you have a street legal buggy, and will have all the advantages and disadvantages as such.

[AxleIke]

I've given up on this argument.

Neither side will EVER convince the other.

Mike, its your truck. NEVER build your truck based on someone elses dream. Get all the tips and advice you can from people you trust, but in the end, build what you want, or you won't be happy.

Turning your truck into the demello truck will cost a small fortune.

But the perma-grin you have when sitting behind the wheel may indeed be priceless.

Good luck.

[fjcruzer]

sas

ifs

saS!

Ifs!

SAs!!

iFS!!

SAS!!!

IFS!!!

:fart:

:slap:

:bitchslap

:buttkick:

:dualing:

:xsmash:

:aahg:

:banghead:

:explode:

:dunno:

:xrocker:

:driving:

:thumbs:

[Asha'man]

I'm no experienced wheeler by any means (shit, I still need to get out on a trail of some sort with y'all this summer - I'm still a virgin!), but I recall seeing something posted here a while back that stuck with me. I think it was Volcom or someone with a gnarly rig who said something like, "Once your rig is so built that it can handle anything, you have to keep searching out wilder and wilder trails to keep things challenging. Then it becomes a full 2-3 day weekend with a tow rig and trailer, because it's not worth getting everything together and spending the money otherwise." I think the point was that it's almost more fun when you can still have fun on average trails, without breaking the bank to go wheeling; when the challenge is gone, so is the fun.

YMMV - I still haven't even gotten mine out on a damn trail yet. :(

[RedRunnertc]

I think it was Volcom or someone with a gnarly rig who said something like, "Once your rig is so built that it can handle anything, you have to keep searching out wilder and wilder trails to keep things challenging. Then it becomes a full 2-3 day weekend with a tow rig and trailer, because it's not worth getting everything together and spending the money otherwise." I think the point was that it's almost more fun when you can still have fun on average trails, without breaking the bank to go wheeling; when the challenge is gone, so is the fun.

Good post! This is pretty much exactly what I've seen happen several times...

[Lysmachia]

Good post! This is pretty much exactly what I've seen happen several times...


And exactly why Troy and I are happy to have both! Thus the reason I won't go above 35's. Yes a trailer would be nice, in case of breakage... but I don't want a trailer to be a necessity. So IFS or SAS, I want to drive to the trail and drive home. It cuts down on the logistics of wheeling! (3 day ordeal, and finding harder trails... and next thing I know my friends wont go with!!!)

But as AxleIke said (And FJcruzer so eloquently reiterated) We all have opinions. Go with yours! ;)

[Volcom]

I recall seeing something posted here a while back that stuck with me. I think it was Volcom or someone with a gnarly rig who said something like, "Once your rig is so built that it can handle anything, you have to keep searching out wilder and wilder trails to keep things challenging. Then it becomes a full 2-3 day weekend with a tow rig and trailer, because it's not worth getting everything together and spending the money otherwise."

I think it was in a thread I was posting in but I didn't say it (I think it was Troy). I really enjoy trails like Patriot and BV Carnage. They are a challenge and it takes a well-built rig to handle them. On the other hand, I enjoy trails like Eagle Rock and Medano. I can relax and take in the scenery.

I'm not an IFS hater but I do enjoy having a solid axle under my rig. I don't have to worry about idler arm and alignment issues after every run. Maintenance wise on my truck, I ran quite a few tough trails last year (Prichett, BV Carnage, Blanca, Liberty) and never had a mechanical problem. From a drivetrain standpoint, my rig should be good for several years.

[Taco_Man]

I'm no experienced wheeler by any means (shit, I still need to get out on a trail of some sort with y'all this summer - I'm still a virgin!), but I recall seeing something posted here a while back that stuck with me. I think it was Volcom or someone with a gnarly rig who said something like, "Once your rig is so built that it can handle anything, you have to keep searching out wilder and wilder trails to keep things challenging. Then it becomes a full 2-3 day weekend with a tow rig and trailer, because it's not worth getting everything together and spending the money otherwise." I think the point was that it's almost more fun when you can still have fun on average trails, without breaking the bank to go wheeling; when the challenge is gone, so is the fun.

YMMV - I still haven't even gotten mine out on a damn trail yet. :(

I really like your thinking about that. Its true if I don't have a challenge I will be bored ass hell. So I am going to put this in the back of my head for now and just wheel and have fun. But I just wish I had more travel. As for the person that said get more armer that is what I was planing on doing before anything. Hopefully I will get out of this hole I put myself into and by fall I can start building my bumpers. I also need to learn how to weld before that since I would rather say I built it with some great help rather then saying Matt built it (since you are the closets to me)... Thank you for all your guys opinions, thoughts, and concerns and I have taken them all in and I think for the foreseen future IFS is best. But you never know I still may do it 5 years down the road.

I am really glade I posted this in here rather then the national board because I trust and value your opinions more then some people I have never meet and wheeled with. Thank you guys for steering me in the right direction. I tend to see a bad ass truck and go I want that. When all reality is yea it would be call but I want to have fun and enjoy the only sport that I truly love more then any other sport.

[RedRunnertc]

Want more travel? Ditch the front swaybar ...

[Taco_Man]

Want more travel? Ditch the front swaybar ...

Dude you where there when that was Ditched. Remember you pulled it out the passenger side when we put the Donahoes on... I have not put it back in since and it just collects dust and rust in the garage.

[RedRunnertc]

Oh, right ...

[Taco_Man]

Oh, right ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :bitchslap

[Son of Mayhem]

Do It! Lots of folks are SAS haters:flipoff4:

[devinsixtyseven]

Been around the block twice (at least) on this one already, and keep coming back to the IFS.

Use all the money you'd spend on an SAS to dig out of your hole, learn how to wheel, wrench and weld, and in five years you'll be ready to make some big decisions. Believe me I know all about digging out of holes :p...didn't you just buy a house too or was that someone else? :xpimp: You'll be happier when refund season rolls around!

But anyway...our trucks are very, very similar...take a few looks around mine at how it's been armored, where the dings and scrapes are, what I've been able to do with it. You might be surprised.

There are some subtleties with IFS that are overcome with a solid axle, but most situations won't put you up against the limits of the IFS. The only downside to the setup is the size of the halfshafts, stubs, and intermediate shafts, and the inherent inability of any joint to hold a severe load at a severe angle. You also gotta know when not to use the front locker, and assume that you'll almost always be using the rear locker unless there's a good reason to turn it off.

I haven't yet pushed the IFS drivetrain to break...I've bent and broken things (not in front), and the rear axle is insurance for a broken front end under a very heavy truck, but the IFS is still holding up (cross fingers!).

Being low on funds is not a bad place to be, learning how to drive...you'll be less likely to give it skinny pedal when you oughtn't, as the repercussions are financially painful not to mention you get a 30K$ paperweight til it's fixed. I've seen some posts on the national board where people complain they're always breaking the front end, the rear diff, whatever, therefore they need SAS...chances are good they just need to learn how to drive but didn't have the force of an empty wallet constraining a twitchy right foot.

Read the parts of this (http://www.expeditionswest.com/Desert1.pdf) pertaining to driving technique.

IMHO the only reason you might need an SAS on a late model is if your rig is unusually long (requiring larger tires for equivalent angles and clearance to a smaller rig), wide (where short wishbone arms could be replaced with the beam of a solid axle for better articulation and proper loading over the bearings and joints), or heavy (sheer weight of the vehicle too much for stock drivetrain), or if you're regularly out alone in the middle of nowhere with all three of those reasons and need the reliability that a proper conversion offers. Note also that addressing wheelbase by increasing tire size leads to the first three reasons on its own. The last reason is only valid if you're not driving like a complete bro, and it's gonna cost close to 20K$ by the time you're finished, but...a good, reliable do-all vehicle is a lot more than a pair of strong axles. A built to the hilt Sportsmobile costs as much as a small house. Does your buggy have a pop-up roof and a comfy mattress?

Thought not. I've been wheeling with a Sportsmobile, it's downright impressive.

Also there really is nothing quite like running a 37" tire at low enough pressure to soak the chatter, and high enough to keep the heat down, so you can move 30-40mph over terrain where others have to settle for 10-15 to keep their rig from shaking apart. "How do you do that without breaking your truck?" "Well, there's a bill acceptor in the dash, and it only takes c-notes."

There is one more consequence to running tires that large. You live in Colorado, not Kansas, Iowa, SoCal, Florida, or any other flat and/or poser state. To get to some of the places you want to go, not only do you cross a major mountain range a few times, you do it at high altitude. My truck barely holds 70mph climbing to the top of the Divide eastbound, with the 37s...whereas it'll still be accelerating at the top (or hit the speed limiter) on the 35s, on the same hill. I have a V8 with a few engine mods...ask any of these guys about climbing Vail Pass, Divide, or Floyd Hill (all eastbound) with big tires and a small engine.

So you have a big (by trail standards) truck. Learn to work it proper while you pay everything down, build everything but the front, and invest as little as possible in the front until you know what you want to do with the truck.

Blah blah blah...but all that is just a bunch of horseshit to an engineer or artist anyway, there's really nothing quite like a good, complicated, properly designed and executed project.

Talk to ORS, one of the shops likely to do the conversion. Also talk to Brian at Front Range Offroad, where you're fairly likely to get the axle(s).

[blown4runner]

This thread has been entertaining... :)

Although no one brought up the number one reason why I amongst others I wheel with ended up swapping! I did it mostly to have to work less at trails. Yes you can wheel a lot in an IFS rig, some of the guys out here started that whole "IFS core" thing that was circulating around for a while. But in the end you have to work harder at achieving obstacles on a more difficult trail than you do swapped, given you have a well engineered suspension set up. Vastly improving articulation and ground clearance were huge motives in the current setup I have. For example I ran Old Sluice instead of the slabs on the Rubicon just the other week, mainly because the whole tippy slab thing puckers my butt hole... and made it through with no issues. If I had been IFS I would of been banging and belly pan surfing all the way down. For reference this is coming out of OS and I am running 37s:

http://a363.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/115/l_a90e33290a455fd22de795023a735822.jpg

I think that suspension set up is completely a personal preference that is probably better off being made after some wheeling experience is had. I don't claim one to be better than the other, as it really is completely unique to the driver and their perspective on how they like to enjoy the trail.

But I would say some people attribute a swapped rig to running only the hardest of trails. This is completely a personal decision also... as the group I go wheeling with enjoys running everything from the Rubicon and Hammers to White Rim and Death Valley and most everything in between!

But that is just my opinion and the only reason I am up and lurking on your boards is because I am pregnant and have been having a lot of back aches... I'm sure that was more information than anyone needed to know, but I need to go to sleep! Molly you can slap me in a few weeks ;)

[fabjunkie]

I agree with the above about sas'ing a new truck with a nice body. I would also take it one step further and tell you to get a buggy and use your new taco to pull it. I have a SAS'd '02 and I don't take a lot of lines that I'd like to try because I don't want to roll my truck. But with a buggy, just roll it back over and forget about it.

I'll second this motion. After SAS'ing my dd once, I wouldn't do it again, especially on the new truck. You can put a buggy together or buy someone else's lost hope for half of what you can swap the new truck for. Lot less hassle and you still have a reliable (not that SAS isn't reliable, dd'd mine for over a year) paid off dd that you don't don't have to worry about tearing up.

Still do armor, tires and what not to the '07, but build another truck to play with. :2cents:

[padesertboy]

Will after looking at Demello's Taco I have more moding to do. I am going to save up for a SAS now. But that will all come after the front and rear armer. But still this truck looks bad as take a look.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1096673/scttora59.jpg

So what all is done with a SAS to a taco? I understand that its a new axle but what else? What are the benefits and the con's?

If this is in the wrong place Molly and Troy fill free to move.


I`m in Phoenix and have wheeled alot of different terrain. The only reason I see to go sas in CO:
-if your breaking chit regularly
-if you plan on progressively advancing your wheelin style/drivin
-or if you got a hole in your pocket and want to dump money into yer truck.

Alot of the times it`s cheaper to buy one already swapped, just make sure they used good parts. And more importantly-who did the work?

Let let know if I can help, I`ll be in CO in about a month.:D

I`ve only wheeled CO a couple times (engineer, imogene...etc.), but I saw NO need to go sas unless you want something different or want to bang it up on rocks.

[RedRunnertc]

I`ve only wheeled CO a couple times (engineer, imogene...etc.), but I saw NO need to go sas unless you want something different or want to bang it up on rocks.

Um, those are barely 4WD trails ... when you get out here, we'll get ya on some harder stuff.

[mrdoug]

Another AZ transplant??! What's that? like 3 in the last couple months?

Well, it'll be good to wheel with you when you get out here anyway

-signed a california transplant

[padesertboy]

Um, those are barely 4WD trails ... when you get out here, we'll get ya on some harder stuff.

Like what? I don`t bang on my everyday, I just like camping/fishin & exploring with it. I priced my idea to be ~$6K, so I bought a dedicated crawler instead. I`d love to move to Co, not in the works though.

I bang on this :D.