: Avoid this Shop !!!


TacoDell
05-28-2005, 12:51 PM
I've had a bad experience with this shop in Hemet, CA. called XTREME PERFORMANCE and FABRICATION. Had them do an install and they botched the job by not ordering the right parts/rear shocks. And then denying that they screwed up when I pointed out their mistake. I ordered Bilstein 5100's for the rear and they put Fabtech's on. After I pointed that out they re-ordered the Bilsteins but got 5125's instead of the 5100's. That would be ok except the didn't order the the correct part numbers again. Both are BES 6253's and this causes more droop to the drivers side. BES 6252 is the correct length for the drivers side. All Taco's have unequal shock lengths in the rear... 1/2 shorter on the drivers side. Plus they installed my Fab 2.5's and scratched the crap outta them installing them. I knew I should have done the install myself... I'm still waiting for them to correct this. But geezzz I have to prove to them they are wrong... so... after the holiday I gotta take the truck and original shocks back to them so that they may make their own inquery. Hey, all they gotta do is make one phone call to Bilstein to get the facts... When a shop is that lazy... it tells a lot about their work... When I finally get it corrected, I gotta find a new shop... sigh...

rojodiablo
05-28-2005, 01:57 PM
I've had a bad experience with this shop in Hemet, CA. called XTREME PERFORMANCE and FABRICATION. Had them do an install and they botched the job by not ordering the right parts/rear shocks. And then denying that they screwed up when I pointed out their mistake. I ordered Bilstein 5100's for the rear and they put Fabtech's on. After I pointed that out they re-ordered the Bilsteins but got 5125's instead of the 5100's. That would be ok except the didn't order the the correct part numbers again. Both are BES 6253's and this causes more droop to the drivers side. BES 6252 is the correct length for the drivers side. All Taco's have unequal shock lengths in the rear... 1/2 shorter on the drivers side. Plus they installed my Fab 2.5's and scratched the crap outta them installing them. I knew I should have done the install myself... I'm still waiting for them to correct this. But geezzz I have to prove to them they are wrong... so... after the holiday I gotta take the truck and original shocks back to them so that they may make their own inquery. Hey, all they gotta do is make one phone call to Bilstein to get the facts... When a shop is that lazy... it tells a lot about their work... When I finally get it corrected, I gotta find a new shop... sigh...
I believe there is only ONE lenght to the 5125. So, before you attack them, just be sure. The Donahoes, the same. So, I wouldn't sweat that too much. As to the scratches, I wouldn't worry too much unless they hammered the threads, or gored up the shaft. Then, Id have an issue. :2cents:

snwbdr
05-28-2005, 02:58 PM
I've seen a couple of trucks around with stickers for that place....sucks to hear you had a bad experience....you were better off installing all that yourself....

TacoDell
05-29-2005, 01:23 PM
Thanks rojodiablo, but then I feel they should have put the shocks on that I requested during the install. I ordered 5100's and got 5125's... how's that my fault? If the 5125's are not applicable to the Taco then I should have been advised and I would do my business elsewhere or just order them myself. I'm not trying to badmouth this shop for any other thing except the fact they don't know the differences between a Chevy and Toyota. The shop owner questioned me when I told him the Taco has unequal rear shock lengths... He states, " I've never heard of that. Bring it down to the shop so I can see". And I will. But in all fairness... I heard these guys really know how to tune a engine and that is their best skill. But suspension work is not their forte. Yet they took my money... So I was just warning others so they might be aware of my issues...

DesertTRD
05-29-2005, 01:34 PM
Thanks rojodiablo, but then I feel they should have put the shocks on that I requested during the install. I ordered 5100's and got 5125's... how's that my fault? If the 5125's are not applicable to the Taco then I should have been advised and I would do my business elsewhere or just order them myself. I'm not trying to badmouth this shop for any other thing except the fact they don't know the differences between a Chevy and Toyota. The shop owner questioned me when I told him the Taco has unequal rear shock lengths... He states, " I've never heard of that. Bring it down to the shop so I can see". And I will. But in all fairness... I heard these guys really know how to tune a engine and that is their best skill. But suspension work is not their forte. Yet they took my money... So I was just warning others so they might be aware of my issues...
a 5125 is a 5100 dumbass.....

Ted
05-29-2005, 01:58 PM
By droop, do you mean one side is leaning?

Tacominator
05-29-2005, 02:36 PM
I think these are all 5125... Someone said it much nicer earlier :D

http://www.bilstein.com/html/applications/5125/

hytenor
05-29-2005, 03:32 PM
I believe there is only ONE lenght to the 5125. So, before you attack them, just be sure. The Donahoes, the same. So, I wouldn't sweat that too much. As to the scratches, I wouldn't worry too much unless they hammered the threads, or gored up the shaft. Then, Id have an issue. :2cents:

No, the 5125s come in several lengths and valvings while the 5100s are valved only one way.

hytenor
05-29-2005, 03:34 PM
a 5125 is a 5100 dumbass.....

are the billed differently because the 25s come in two different valving as opposed to the singled-valved 5100s? Bil's site lists the part# slightly different as well.
I was hoping you'd get in on this one ;)

DesertTRD
05-29-2005, 03:53 PM
are the billed differently because the 25s come in two different valving as opposed to the singled-valved 5100s? Bil's site lists the part# slightly different as well.
I was hoping you'd get in on this one ;)
5100 is not a part number... 5125 isnt either...

a 5100 is a stock length 5100, basically its a 5125 that will fit without any lift or anything... its the same thing as a 5100 except that they have general sizes, for those applications where nothing else applies.. IE a lifted truck.. other than that its the same dam shock... you wont find a 5100 for lifted application toyota tacoma shock.. You will find 2 different part number 5125's aka lifted application 5100 shocks that come in multiple sizes that will work the same....

This guy is crying because teh part # isnt 5100 its 5125.... notice the 51 and 51, the only reason bilstein put 25 is because of the annodized cans...

hytenor
05-29-2005, 04:38 PM
5100 is not a part number... 5125 isnt either...

a 5100 is a stock length 5100, basically its a 5125 that will fit without any lift or anything... its the same thing as a 5100 except that they have general sizes, for those applications where nothing else applies.. IE a lifted truck.. other than that its the same dam shock... you wont find a 5100 for lifted application toyota tacoma shock.. You will find 2 different part number 5125's aka lifted application 5100 shocks that come in multiple sizes that will work the same....

This guy is crying because teh part # isnt 5100 its 5125.... notice the 51 and 51, the only reason bilstein put 25 is because of the annodized cans...

well, I know 5100 isn't a part # ;) I was refering the BES- for 5100s vs the BE5 for 5125s that shows up on the website. Or, are they the same and the 'S' is actually a '5'?

depending on how much lift is added it looks like there are 3 that would work for 2-4" of lift; 6252, 6253 and A465.

DesertTRD
05-29-2005, 04:44 PM
BE5 is the part # i dont know why it says bes..

hytenor
05-29-2005, 04:54 PM
BE5 is the part # i dont know why it says bes..

cool, probably a mis-read on my part ;)

what do you think of the 7100 short bodies? I'm thinking of switching from my 5100s to those when I finally go with the Chevy rear springs.

DesertTRD
05-29-2005, 05:11 PM
cool, probably a mis-read on my part ;)

what do you think of the 7100 short bodies? I'm thinking of switching from my 5100s to those when I finally go with the Chevy rear springs.
they are a decent shock for what your doing... The one thing to think about is, are you actually going to spend the time playing with valving or are you just getting it for bling factor, if your not getting it to actually modify it just stick with 5100's or excuse me 5125's LOL

hytenor
05-29-2005, 06:21 PM
they are a decent shock for what your doing... The one thing to think about is, are you actually going to spend the time playing with valving or are you just getting it for bling factor, if your not getting it to actually modify it just stick with 5100's or excuse me 5125's LOL

I will need a shock that will work for both wheeling (max travel) and hauling so I will have to play with how they are relocated. I will not be doing the usual / \ pattern since that kind of negates the purpose of having them there in the first place ;) I'm not interested in bling, just what will work best.
What about going with something that is adjustable? ie, soft for trail riding but max support for hauling.

grumpy
05-30-2005, 07:50 AM
if your in Hemet next time call John at AllPro offroad. great guy.
as others said, 5100 stock replacement, 5125 offers other lengths from stock. don't complain if your getting a more $$$ shock!!!

grumpy
05-30-2005, 07:55 AM
I will need a shock that will work for both wheeling (max travel) and hauling so I will have to play with how they are relocated. I will not be doing the usual / \ pattern since that kind of negates the purpose of having them there in the first place ;) I'm not interested in bling, just what will work best.
What about going with something that is adjustable? ie, soft for trail riding but max support for hauling.

do a relo by kicking shocks backwards and tilted in toward each at top. hope that makes sense. I can email you pics if you want. rides better then A-pillar type relo / \ I had that at first.

adj shocks control compression only. I have the rancho 9K's adj, they suck.
jsut ordered fox with their new CD adjuster on them. yes they are $$$.

doubt you'll find a shock that works great for both wheeling and hauling, except for airshocks.

TacoDell
05-30-2005, 11:45 AM
By droop, do you mean one side is leaning?
No it's not leaning.... When on frame jacks, the drivers side spring droops lower than the passenger...

TacoDell
05-30-2005, 11:49 AM
if your in Hemet next time call John at AllPro offroad. great guy.
as others said, 5100 stock replacement, 5125 offers other lengths from stock. don't complain if your getting a more $$$ shock!!!

I talked to John after the fact. And I wish I had gone to him first.... But he don't do installs at the All-Pro shop...

TacoDell
05-30-2005, 12:08 PM
Did anybody actually read my thread? The 5100's are the Taco stock replacements (add about an inch travel) The 5125's are longer travel about 8 inches... My question was the length of the shocks... I never said valving!!! Taco's use unequal length shocks in the rear. I know the 5100's come (if ordered for a Taco) in unequal lengths. But since I got the 5125's instead I was trying to confirm that the 6252 and the 6253 were the proper unequal lenths for the Taco to allow for equal droop on the rear springs... instead all I got was folk bangin' on me and callin' me a dumbass... If you think trying to get clarification for something is whining then so be it. But if you don't really understand what I'm asking don't bother to say anything at all.... Geezzzzz.....

TacoDell
05-30-2005, 12:24 PM
do a relo by kicking shocks backwards and tilted in toward each at top. hope that makes sense. I can email you pics if you want. rides better then A-pillar type relo / \ I had that at first.

adj shocks control compression only. I have the rancho 9K's adj, they suck.
jsut ordered fox with their new CD adjuster on them. yes they are $$$.

doubt you'll find a shock that works great for both wheeling and hauling, except for airshocks.

I like the advice of relocation. However I don't have the proper machine tools and I'm disabled with Carpul Tunnel Syndrome in both hands (makes it difficult to turn a wrench) I'm not complaining it's just a fact of life... That's why I have to pay someone to install my components in the first place. If my hands worked properly then I'd do it myself... because I'm anal about doing things right...

TacoDell
05-30-2005, 12:29 PM
a 5125 is a 5100 dumbass.....

I listed the part #'s I was inquiring about... I know the difference between a 5100 and a 5125... That's not what I was asking... If you don't understand the question it's better to say nothing at all....

DesertTRD
05-30-2005, 02:45 PM
If you don't understand the question it's better to say nothing at all....
i know more about bilsteins product line than you ever will in your wet dream.

1noobie
05-30-2005, 03:13 PM
i know more about bilsteins product line than you ever will in your wet dream.
:xpopcorn: :xpopcorn:

kapelusprime
05-30-2005, 05:29 PM
Why is it if a dude has got senior or veteran under there name, they feel the need to blast some guy for asking a question. After all I though this was the newbie forum! the moderators should help this guy out. As for internet tuff guys give it a rest, impress us with an answer to the question; rather than with your rapier like witt! :cool:

nhlbill
05-30-2005, 05:32 PM
... because I'm anal about doing things right...
The "droop" of a same length after market shock on a Tacoma does not affect anything as far as driving feel. I doubt you could notice it at all. Most aftermarket applications for the rear of the Tacoma do not come in different lenghts anyway. The only way it would be noticed is if your truck is on a repair rack or if you drive like "DesertTRD" in his avitar......lol
Bill
PS. The difference in the 5100 (if ordered for a Tacoma) and 5125, is that the 5100 comes with the 3/4" bushings installed in the shock (because it is a specific application for your truck), and the 5125 (is considered a "universal" application and comes in many lengths) has the 1/2" bushings (which you will have to change to put on your truck).

TacoDell
06-01-2005, 10:21 AM
Why is it if a dude has got senior or veteran under there name, they feel the need to blast some guy for asking a question. After all I though this was the newbie forum! the moderators should help this guy out. As for internet tuff guys give it a rest, impress us with an answer to the question; rather than with your rapier like witt! :cool:

That's why I asked this question in this noobie forum. And I still didn't get an understanding of the question I asked... No use in beating a dead horse... I'll find my information elsewhere... It's amazing that so many folk have an answer (even without really understanding the persons inquery to the original thread) but never ask for clarifications for the question so they may better help the person asking. There's another thread under suspensions about the same shock questions. I'm getting some better responses from some. But more of the Blah, Blah, Blah than anything else. Easier to resolve my own questions with my own trials...

hytenor
06-01-2005, 11:32 AM
i know more about bilsteins product line than you ever will in your wet dream.

you have wet dreams about shocks?? that is so wrong :p

hytenor
06-01-2005, 11:33 AM
That's why I asked this question in this noobie forum. And I still didn't get an understanding of the question I asked... No use in beating a dead horse... I'll find my information elsewhere... It's amazing that so many folk have an answer (even without really understanding the persons inquery to the original thread) but never ask for clarifications for the question so they may better help the person asking. There's another thread under suspensions about the same shock questions. I'm getting some better responses from some. But more of the Blah, Blah, Blah than anything else. Easier to resolve my own questions with my own trials...

you just have to know Corey ;)

grumpy
06-01-2005, 12:16 PM
I like the advice of relocation. However I don't have the proper machine tools and I'm disabled with Carpul Tunnel Syndrome in both hands (makes it difficult to turn a wrench) I'm not complaining it's just a fact of life... That's why I have to pay someone to install my components in the first place. If my hands worked properly then I'd do it myself... because I'm anal about doing things right...
I was mostly replying to hytenor's post.
cbrRRman- don't need machine tools for this relo, couple pieces of steel and some shock frame bolts to get welded t osteel then welded to truck. if can't do yoursself, who about looking for another member close by, thats willing to help and can weld. thats how mine got done.
I wasn't flaming you and to a degree agree with that all the BS being thrown at some members is wrong.
if I felt I had the acurate info to answer your ?? I would have

hytenor
06-01-2005, 01:30 PM
do a relo by kicking shocks backwards and tilted in toward each at top. hope that makes sense. I can email you pics if you want. rides better then A-pillar type relo / \ I had that at first.

adj shocks control compression only. I have the rancho 9K's adj, they suck.
jsut ordered fox with their new CD adjuster on them. yes they are $$$.

doubt you'll find a shock that works great for both wheeling and hauling, except for airshocks.

pics would be great, thanks.

I know, I'm stuck with having to build this thing to be used as a truck as well as a wheeler so I wind up compromising all the time.

grumpy
06-01-2005, 01:49 PM
put airbags on it for when carrying a load LOL

hytenor
06-01-2005, 01:53 PM
put airbags on it for when carrying a load LOL

gee, thanks. should I get some air-shocks as well? :rolleyes:

grumpy
06-01-2005, 02:02 PM
gee, thanks. should I get some air-shocks as well? :rolleyes:

hhhuuummm, do you think you will need both LOL

its really a hard call. what do you do more of or what do ou want the truck to be better at-hauling or wheeling???

hytenor
06-01-2005, 02:58 PM
hhhuuummm, do you think you will need both LOL

its really a hard call. what do you do more of or what do ou want the truck to be better at-hauling or wheeling???

I want both, dammit! :xcrybaby:

the air shock would go great with my rear 40" slicks and wheelie bars, doncha think? :p

grumpy
06-01-2005, 03:41 PM
you can have whatever you want!!!LOL

yea baby, chrome wheelie bars!!!

rojodiablo
06-01-2005, 09:18 PM
Thanks rojodiablo, but then I feel they should have put the shocks on that I requested during the install. I ordered 5100's and got 5125's... how's that my fault? If the 5125's are not applicable to the Taco then I should have been advised and I would do my business elsewhere or just order them myself. I'm not trying to badmouth this shop for any other thing except the fact they don't know the differences between a Chevy and Toyota. The shop owner questioned me when I told him the Taco has unequal rear shock lengths... He states, " I've never heard of that. Bring it down to the shop so I can see". And I will. But in all fairness... I heard these guys really know how to tune a engine and that is their best skill. But suspension work is not their forte. Yet they took my money... So I was just warning others so they might be aware of my issues...
I agree, that if they had an issue with supply, or something else, they should at very least let you know. I would check the part# against a valving chart, and see what you come up with; I believe they will be the same. It's up to you, and it is your money& truck. But if the valving matches the truck, I would not worry much about 1/2" of droop. I ran with the 8" travel rear on both sides, then the 9" travel. I never had any problems with the shocks, and never "felt" any difference due to the different droop issue. They all worked better than stock, and in the end, that mattered more. Maybe edge him toward a little tuning help inexchange for the mixup.... be nice, it's worth a try!

hytenor
06-02-2005, 11:14 AM
you can have whatever you want!!!LOL

yea baby, chrome wheelie bars!!!
the chrome wheelie bars would look good with these:
http://www.norcalttora.com/~chris/wheelin%20trips/Pismo/Pismo%203-03/photos/photo_121.html :D

elgecko
06-02-2005, 11:20 AM
the chrome wheelie bars would look good with these:
http://www.norcalttora.com/~chris/wheelin%20trips/Pismo/Pismo%203-03/photos/photo_121.html :D

Those are some blingly blocks...I'll have to take a picture of the fully chromed rear axle on my friend's 90ish truck. :)

grumpy
06-02-2005, 11:24 AM
yea they would. you should have seen the Excursion a friend was working on-they bought it with the whole suspension chromed!!!! and the shit was breaking all over the place just from riding on the street
I took some pics last night hope to get chance to email to you tonight

hytenor
06-02-2005, 11:40 AM
yea they would. you should have seen the Excursion a friend was working on-they bought it with the whole suspension chromed!!!! and the shit was breaking all over the place just from riding on the street
I took some pics last night hope to get chance to email to you tonight

send the pics to Robert Cannon as well to include in his 'scary suspension' section ;)

TacoDell
06-10-2005, 02:20 PM
After weeks of :bs: I finally got it sorted out. I got a lot of crap from this thread but a couple of good clues from some... Bottom line ___ If your ordering the Bilstein 5125 series for a Taco with 2 to 2 1/2 inches of lift you will need BE5(#five)-6152 for the drivers side and BE5-6153 for the passenger side. You will need to change the bushings to 3/4 inch. If your going to relocate the shocks. In that case you might want 6153's possibly on both corners or something else. I don't know and I don't care... (it's funny that folk always add crap to what you should do, but never really seem to answer your primary question) If you want stock Bilsteins shocks with no lift get the 5100's and you won't have to change out the bushings. The 5100's are 6" and 6 1/2" travel and the 5125's are 8 and 8 1/2" travel respectively... Shorter side goes on the drivers side. As far as the shop goes... They did me right in the end... But I still wouldn't recommend them as they aren't very personable/professional to deal with... Thanks again to those who may have helped... the rest of you should go sit in a corner and stare at the wall...

hytenor
06-10-2005, 09:53 PM
After weeks of :bs: I finally got it sorted out. I got a lot of crap from this thread but a couple of good clues from some... Bottom line ___ If your ordering the Bilstein 5125 series for a Taco with 2 to 2 1/2 inches of lift you will need BE5(#five)-6152 for the drivers side and BE5-6153 for the passenger side. You will need to change the bushings to 3/4 inch. If your going to relocate the shocks. In that case you might want 6153's possibly on both corners or something else. I don't know and I don't care... (it's funny that folk always add crap to what you should do, but never really seem to answer your primary question) If you want stock Bilsteins shocks with no lift get the 5100's and you won't have to change out the bushings. The 5100's are 6" and 6 1/2" travel and the 5125's are 8 and 8 1/2" travel respectively... Shorter side goes on the drivers side. As far as the shop goes... They did me right in the end... But I still wouldn't recommend them as they aren't very personable/professional to deal with... Thanks again to those who may have helped... the rest of you should go sit in a corner and stare at the wall...

feel better now? LOL

TacoDell
06-10-2005, 10:17 PM
feel better now? LOL

Yes, thankyou... :)