Cottora Summer ('09) Moab Takeover [Archive]

00regcab

11-13-2008, 07:28 PM

Ok folks... heres the deal.

This years cottora mini-take over was weak... very weak. You cant exactly takeover with FOUR RIGS! lol

While we were there, the 3 of us that were there for the week, and later when mayhem joined, discussed ideas for the next trip.

Camping in freezing temperatures instantly brought up, SUMMER! Its hot, yes... but more enjoyable, you actually look forward to the wind/breeze!

I also had an idea that planning it around a full moon would be awesome, do some night wheeling under a full moon at night in moab? It was bright as hell with just a half moon.

My two date ideas (which revolve around a full moon), are the weekend of May 24th, which may be a big no-no as that is memorial day weekend (more ideal for time off, yes. but less ideal for wheeling. Memorial day = mucho tourists & crowded trails).

My second (and more ideal date's) would be June 19-23 which is a fri night (drive out)/sat/sun/mon/tues with the full moon Monday night, for you weekenders. I myself, would like to shoot for another WEEK trip. Leave Friday night (the 19th), and return the FOLLOWING weekend (the 27th).

Any input folks? As stated, the last cottora moab trip was a very disappointing turnout for all the talk we had! So lets get the ball rolling for a REAL takeover!

Finals Dates
Drive out Friday May 29th in the evening and stay through Sunday June 7th.

8 full days of wheeling, with only 5 days off work.

No trails are set in stone (as far as dates go), but the list looks to be as follows:

100% guaranteed to run:
Moab Rim
Hells Revenge
Fins and Things
Kane Creek

Trails on the list to get thrown in:
Cliff Hanger
Poison Spider/Golden Spike/Gold Bar (possibly rusty nail shortcut)
Steel Bender
Metal Masher
Behind the rocks
1st section of Lockhart Basin (climbing up out of the canyon, fun little section)
Seven Mile Rim

I personally would love to run the poison spider/golden spike/rusty nail setup, and behind the rocks this trip.

We could possibly make a run out DS Road to the Granit Creek trail one day (very mild trails, everyone can do) to do an afternoon of lunch/lounging in the water? Very secluded spot, heres some details:
http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=278

ike

11-13-2008, 07:34 PM

Love the june dates as it falls over my birthday, but for may earlier around the 15th would work best for me as that should be when i am graduating.

AxleIke

11-13-2008, 08:03 PM

Well, good luck. I've been out there in the summer. Wheeling when its 120 in the cab....not my cup of tea. Early to mid may, Perfect. June...No.

00regcab

11-13-2008, 08:09 PM

Well, good luck. I've been out there in the summer. Wheeling when its 120 in the cab....not my cup of tea. Early to mid may, Perfect. June...No.

Well nothing is set in stone yet, it may be mid may or so.

I really want to try to hit a trail under the full moon though.

The last week of april has that opportunity, but doesnt Rising Sun usually do their thing the last week of april?

ike

11-13-2008, 08:12 PM

Wouldnt mind hitting the area when rising sun is out that way.

00regcab

11-13-2008, 08:47 PM

Wouldnt mind hitting the area when rising sun is out that way.

I did it last year, and it was an awesome time. I wasnt bashing on their group/event at all, and if nothing works out with our group, i might head out that way again for their event.

But for a "takeover" (if we get a lot of participation from our group this go around), it is not ideal at all to go during that same week. There were a lot of trucks out there last year, with the majority of the trail runs getting pretty close to the 12 truck limit i think it was.

RedRunnertc

11-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Well, good luck. I've been out there in the summer. Wheeling when its 120 in the cab....not my cup of tea. Early to mid may, Perfect. June...No.

x2

Also, I wouldn't mind being out there during Cruise Moab, but memorial day or Easter = no bueno

AxleIke

11-13-2008, 10:05 PM

Lysmachia

11-13-2008, 10:15 PM

I will not EVER be picky about Moab. Whenever you pan I will try and be there. Hell when I was in New Zealand... All I could talk about was MOAB!

Quick Draw

11-13-2008, 10:26 PM

fjcruzer

11-13-2008, 10:42 PM

00regcab

11-13-2008, 11:28 PM

During Cruise Moab in the spring it was still just a touch chilly to be running around in shorts/wife beater/no shirt, and wheeling with no doors. But it wasnt bad by any means... then again, i also had a camper to sleep in that trip.

The second week of may wouldnt be bad in my book. As long as i can throw out at the MINIMUM of a months notice to my job, i can pretty much take off whenever.

I guess, what it really boils down to, is... i'll go whatever week gets the most participation, AS LONG AS ITS NEVER NOVEMBER AGAIN!

colorado125

11-13-2008, 11:37 PM

Cruise Moab is a great event for the people. You get to see some REALLY cool trucks, like a Toyota FJ25. Or an FZJ45.

But, the trails are crowded.

Cruise Moab is the first weekend in May. Week after that would be fantastic weather.

Now if my brother can just get his FJ45 Troopy up and running by then and head out. He has the 40 up and running and pretty well setup though.

colorado125

11-13-2008, 11:39 PM

This would be perfect. Evan and I were going to head out there with bikes, dirt bikes, trucks, etc. this summer as sort of a post-graduation vacation... Would be nice to have some wheeling friends there too... :D

I was thinking "damn, graduation". And remember I've already passed my 10 year high school reunion. Damn kids. I bet Doug's trying to remember his partying days in a Model T.

00regcab

11-13-2008, 11:56 PM

Not to be rude, but lets keep this on the moab topic, so it doesnt get cluttered* please.

(*cluttered like the previous "moab takeover" thread)

colorado125

11-14-2008, 12:04 AM

Not to be rude, but lets keep this on the moab topic, so it doesnt get cluttered* please.

(*cluttered like the previous "moab takeover" thread)

In the "words" of Ike. :xmoon:

ike

11-14-2008, 07:45 AM

:lmao:

ike

11-14-2008, 07:47 AM

I will have to look at temps. I dont think they are that bad in june, but i could be wrong. And i am also a little crazy the first 3 times i was out there it was for mountain biking and over the 4th of july week. It is great wondering around city market after a ride just to cool off and then waiting at night for the temp to dip down to a low of 100. Sometime right after the 15th of may would work best for me though if it works for others.

Gerdo

11-25-2008, 06:16 PM

We were in Moab in late June of 07. The temps were 110*-118* everyday. You get used to it. We had the trails to ourselves. We would see about 6 other vehicles on the trail each day. At night it was awesome. It was in the 60*s and low 70*s. There are some bugs at that time of the year.

00regcab

11-25-2008, 06:35 PM

Good to know Gerdo, thanks for the info.

:kewl:

Gerdo

11-25-2008, 08:04 PM

I'll take the heat over the traffic.

ike

11-25-2008, 08:39 PM

Me to, but it looks like my next moab trip will likely be mid march. And then hopefully again mid may.

Gerdo

11-25-2008, 09:38 PM

Me to, but it looks like my next moab trip will likely be mid march. And then hopefully again mid may.

Are we all invited?

00regcab

11-25-2008, 11:44 PM

Are we all invited?

Thats what this thread is for! :p

Pooling dates, thoughts, etc. for the next moab trip (summer 09)

Gerdo

11-26-2008, 07:41 AM

Thats what this thread is for! :p

Pooling dates, thoughts, etc. for the next moab trip (summer 09)

I know that everyone is invited to the event.

I was kidding with Ike about his trips.

ike

11-26-2008, 09:25 AM

Nope, i want to be alone on top of slickrock when i flop my truck:rolleyes:

Hagan34

11-26-2008, 10:40 AM

im open for just about anytime.....as of now, I'll stay up on this.

ike

11-26-2008, 11:20 PM

Sounds good

devinsixtyseven

11-27-2008, 07:39 PM

Pick a date and we'll find some trails that aren't being used :kewl:.

CM, EJS, etc. don't use every trail ;). The popular ones yes, but it depends on what you want to run, and what time of day.

So...what do you all want to run?

Crawling? Scenery? Drive to hike? Fast? Remote? All of the above?

Medium, hard, or really hard?

June is awful warm, but we've done a lot of trips between June and August. March is still chilly at night. April & May are great, September is great. It's not hard to "shower" with a washcloth and a camp stove, and I'm considering adding a screened canopy to the kit, so that mostly takes care of bugs w/r/t cooking and cleaning. Last time we went in July, we ate in the truck because the bugs were so bad...not doing that again w/o a canopy, at least not in that particular area...just a pain in the ass.

Mid-July can get some wicked weather out of nowhere, depending where you are.

I vote April-May timeframe.

-Sean

00regcab

11-27-2008, 08:13 PM

After the fall trip, we had kinda discussed it and determined it would be better with a group of people that want to do mixed trails. Since, in this instance, doug and ike wanted to do more moderate scenic trails, and i wanted to try my hand at the technical trails, the difficult trails i had hoped to do didnt make the final cut, but thats what this trip is for :D

Im not as much concerned about dates, as i am about participation from the club for the next trip.

I really wasnt overly fond of the late april/early may. It wasnt bad at all, but it wasnt real nice. Maybe more towards mid-end of may? Id like to sit around a camp fire, just to sit around the fire and have something to look at. We used to go the last week of may/first week of june when i was younger, and it really wasnt all that bad. It was really nice.

fjcruzer

11-27-2008, 08:54 PM

When Molly, Don and I went the week after Memorial Day it was very nice temperature and traffic-wise, but we were also there during the week. I should have the 20-29th off unless I get a job between now and then.

00regcab

11-27-2008, 10:58 PM

Im excessively worried about traffic memorial day weekend... it'll probably be a joke. But if that week works best for people, then game on.

ike

11-28-2008, 02:25 AM

I would like to avoid holiday traffic personally.

fjcruzer

11-28-2008, 01:28 PM

Memorial Day is the 25th. I was suggesting going after that. There was no one there last year and the temps were nice, prices reasonable, etc.

ike

11-28-2008, 05:38 PM

Sounds good.

devinsixtyseven

11-29-2008, 09:33 AM

I'm up for some difficult trails, and I'm certain the other Tundra guys would be up for the same seeing as how Ben & John both have rear lockers now. I'm pretty sure Pete would be down.

I also wouldn't mind flexing the LT a little.

Cliffhanger, Metal Masher, Steel Bender, Hells Revenge are all on my list.

Later in the year would be better for me too, gives me time to finish the little things and money for tires and other stuff.

Before buggy season would be great.

If you want really mixed, we could do a run from Moab through Lockhart down to Needles, and head south through Beef Basin and end at Elk Mountain. There's something for everyone and scenery that's hard to beat. It's also terrain that most trucks could do.

I guess I'm looking for more hard stuff this time myself, work out all the bugs in the truck yanno.

ike

11-29-2008, 01:06 PM

Did lockhart loop this last trip out there. Also ran steel bender and cliff hanger, both great trails. My truck was down when they did Hells revenge. What to do hells revenge and some more trails on the cliff hanger level such as moab rim.

00regcab

11-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Lockhart is definitely not on my to do list again. It wasnt terrible, but i personally didnt find it all too enjoyable.

Im still set on Behind The Rocks, Moab Rim, Poison Spider, Golden Spike, Rusty Nail.

Cliff hanger and steel bender are fun trails, but they're the only two really technical trails that ive really wheeled in moab, so i want to broaden the horizon and do some different technical trails.

Wouldnt mind Hells Revenge again though.

ike

11-29-2008, 02:02 PM

Poison spider and golden spike are also on my list.

Gerdo

11-29-2008, 03:27 PM

Are these trails that most of us can do? Mine isn't HIGHLY modified. Molly and Troy have wheeled with me and may be able to make a judgement call. I do have an ARB in the rear now. I'm not out to beat the heck out of my machine and beat it up because I'm in over my head. I have done Fins n Things and that was before my locker. Are these alot harder than FnT?

dr350jja

11-29-2008, 04:05 PM

The moon will be full on Saturday, May 9, 2009. May 15 is also my B-day :)

http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon/

I have also heard about the sweaty horror of June Moab, so not gonna do it. But I was there in the end of May (with Molly and Don) this year and it was great, and I can imagine earlier would be nice as well.

:2cents:

I’ve been in Moab during the 2nd weekend in June and it was pretty darn HOT. Quite unbearable, felt like sitting in the oven. Lol

I would think May would be a better time of year for Moab. IMHO

ike

11-29-2008, 04:18 PM

cliff hanger may be a challenge, but steelbender would be easily doable IMHO. Hells Revenge didnt look that hard if you dont do the optional obsticales.

RedRunnertc

11-29-2008, 07:45 PM

The only trails I've done before that I would do again are Moab Rim and Hell's Revenge. MR is TOUGH and I had tire issues, so I definitely want to do it again. HR is always fun with a group that has people who haven't done it before.

I would not ever do the Poison Spider, Golden Spike, Gold Bar Rim loop or White Rim again. Been there, done that. I would LOVE to do Rusty Nail to Gold Bar Rim.

00regcab

11-30-2008, 01:07 AM

I would LOVE to do Rusty Nail to Gold Bar Rim.

:kewl:

thats what i wast thinking.

And i want to do the loop at least once, everybody has to get their moab poser shot at the golden crack! :p

Gerdo

11-30-2008, 10:01 AM

I wanta go. NOW!!!

Hagan34

11-30-2008, 10:18 AM

Gerdo

11-30-2008, 10:38 AM

sorry for being such a newb about Moab

WHAT A NEWB!

Just kidding.

I've been out there wheeling once and MTB a half dozen times. When you read about some of the trails, either on TrailDamage (http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php) or the Wells book, they can be a little intimidating.

I want a chalenge but not be over my head.

RedRunnertc

11-30-2008, 11:26 AM

:kewl:

thats what i wast thinking.

And i want to do the loop at least once, everybody has to get their moab poser shot at the golden crack! :p

Don't get me wrong. EVERYONE needs to do both White Rim and the PS-GS-GBR loop once ... but once (well twice for White Rim) is enough for me.

I always take the Well's ratings with a grain of salt - he ALWAYS says trails are a lot harder than they actually are, which is probably the right way to go considering his typical audience.

ike

11-30-2008, 07:07 PM

Yep, his ratings are not the best. You also have to remember though that the books are for the general population. We have a group that ranges from the experienced to the down right crazy. Doug got to see today what the average person off road looks like when we went and ran moody/crystal with my buddy. By the way the quarry is alot more fun in the snow!

I plan on running both WR and the poison spider loop at some time. poision spider being higher on my list.

If we get enough people out there it will not be a problem to split up into groups and run trails that people are confident doing and then meeting up at the end of the day. If we camp at Nates spot it can accomodate quite a few rigs.

00regcab

11-30-2008, 08:37 PM

If we get enough people out there it will not be a problem to split up into groups and run trails that people are confident doing and then meeting up at the end of the day. If we camp at Nates spot it can accomodate quite a few rigs.

To make splitting into groups worth it, i would say we'd need 10+ trucks IMO.

The camp site i like, down in kane creek, will easily hold 8-10 rigs, and 8ish tents. It would get a little crowded, but since all we'd pretty much be doing is eating, staring at the fire, and sleeping i dont think it would be a HUGE deal.

ike

11-30-2008, 09:25 PM

Depends on the group. I think 3-4 is the perfect size group for a trail run. but i also hope we get 10 or so people to go out there for this.

mrdoug

12-01-2008, 08:45 AM

is it possible that if we have enough rigs to have 2 groups, or more so people can pick the trails they want to do, and then meet up at some point for camping?

never been there so Im up for anything, Is lions back still open, i know i had heard something about it closing or something?

Did be up for the harder trails, but woulndt mind seeing some of the sites either.

sorry for being such a newb about Moab

don't be sorry for beeing a moab newb... I was before this last trip, and everybody has been before they went for the first time :cool:. Lion's back is closed by the way, but Hells revenge has the Dragons tale which is pretty fun and in the same ball park as lion's back (I'll get flamed for that, and I'm not saying that dragons tale is anywhere near as steep/tall as lions back, but it's along a fin that's pretty damn steep and will make you pucker your ass a little.)

I went with the same attitude you have, and had a blast on Hells Revenge and Cliff hanger. Leave Steel Bender for after you've done Cliff hanger, I think it's about 1 notch harder than Cliff Hanger, but others may argue that point. Try Elephant hill for some good times too, but it's a little out of the way if you don't do Lockhart or beef basin at the same time.

Going with a bigger crowd is key. As Nate said... that was the only real issue with our last trip.. he wanted to do very technical trails, I was a little hesitant to run something where I thought I'd take damage, with a larger group, you'd find somebody who wanted to go run the less technical trails.

mrdoug

12-01-2008, 08:55 AM

Since, in this instance, doug and ike wanted to do more moderate scenic trails, and i wanted to try my hand at the technical trails, the difficult trails i had hoped to do didnt make the final cut, but thats what this trip is for :D

Wow, 1 trail (behind the rocks) that had me concerned and suddenly everything else was moderate/scenic trails? :rolleyes: I had no idea that lockhart would be that long and bland (it was nearly all scenery, which was great, but I was done with that about 3/4 of the way thru).

Looking forward to heading out in the spring if I can swing it. I'm keeping an eye on dates here, but can't commit to anything since it's a ways off and I got alot of work crap up in the air (like if I'm going to be employed , if my boss is taking a year off and I might have to pick up his slack, etc).

ike

12-01-2008, 09:16 AM

I would definately rate cliff hanger as a notch harder than steelbender, and not the other way around:2cents:

mrdoug

12-01-2008, 10:25 AM

Because of the entry/exit?

My opinion is because I actually took a small amount of damage and had more issues with lines on Steel Bender, but on the other hand, we stacked rocks on cliff hanger... Eh, I guess they are really close to being the same difficulty in my book.

ike

12-01-2008, 10:33 AM

We all had difficulty at one place or another on cliff hanger. I think the crooked ledge is one good example. I didnt have an issue with any obsticales on steelbender. On steelbender i avoided damage where on cliff hanger i used the skids alot. also we stacked rocks as you said on cliff hanger. just my personal takes on the two trails though.

00regcab

12-01-2008, 12:41 PM

Wow, 1 trail (behind the rocks) that had me concerned and suddenly everything else was moderate/scenic trails? :rolleyes: I had no idea that lockhart would be that long and bland (it was nearly all scenery, which was great, but I was done with that about 3/4 of the way thru).

There were a few other trails that i wanted to at least drive to and look at, i didnt say thats all we did was scenic trails. Like ive said multiple times now, its not a big deal, the trails i didnt get to run this year (that i wanted to), will be there next year. Even though Cliff Hanger and Steel Bender are great trails, that are fun, i personally dont find them all that challenging. C'mon doug, you should know by now. I like to push my limits ;)

The trip was fun, i wasnt complaining about it. Everything worked out, and it was a good time (except the cold).

devinsixtyseven

12-01-2008, 11:04 PM

If I come across an easy scenic trail, I'm gonna hit it hard and fast.

I'd really like to hit some of the more difficult trails tho...in the past it's been lack of additional vehicles that's kept me off a lot of the classics. Wasn't until I started hanging around you guys that I knew anyone, particularly other people with Tundras (Ben, Pete, John) who were willing to try harder trails.

I'd like to do the loop. No White Rim for me tho, if I do that, I'm taking a week and going hiking, not wheeling.

Same sorta idea for Lockhart...it only took a couple hours tops to climb out of the wash at the north end. Not sure how many other technical sections there were, because we turned at the switchback and went back to Moab, and I've heard that's the most technical spot...pics I've seen of the rest of the trail look more like the Grabens. I have no intention of going slow on things like that, it's boring, and I didn't put LT on a truck to slug around on dirt doubletracks LOL. So I'd be down for Lockhart and south, if there were other people interested in moving fast.

A group of 3-5 rigs would be a good size down Dark Canyon. Could do more, through Beef Basin etc...that's mostly scenic and speed vs crawling tho, and the one 4.5+ rated spur is certainly one of the most remote difficult routes in the Southeast corner of UT.

I would like to run the trails I mentioned before, if there are a couple rigs willing to come with.

ike

12-02-2008, 11:20 AM

After you climb out of the wash lockhart is a long bumpy easy road. The spur out to the colorado river is the only cool pard due to the fact that it lends it self to quite a bit of speed down in a wash.

ike

12-02-2008, 12:06 PM

:2cents: Top of the world is another trail that I think everyone should do once, but i dont plan on doing again. Great view at the top, but the trail was long and boring compared to many in moab.

RedRunnertc

12-02-2008, 02:21 PM

White Rim in Sean's rig would be FUN. Could easily do it in a day I bet ...

AxleIke

12-02-2008, 04:27 PM

00regcab

12-02-2008, 04:32 PM

I'm all about the Rusty Nail. Looks like a fun one.

I also really want to do pritchett. However, I think we can only do that with a split group scenario. Thats going to be a double locker run with lots of armor required.

Maybe we can do a split style event. Couple days of all together moderate runs, and a few days where folks split off and go hard or easy, depending on desire.

I still want to at LEAST hike pritchett just to get a feel for how big the obstacles really are before i commit to that trail. Id also preferr to do it on a day during the week, where we are less likely to hold up any buggies/truggies that may be running the trail as well.

Bud builts, and bedside protection are going in this winter for sure.

ike

12-02-2008, 04:37 PM

If you guys run Pritchett, i want to watch. I would take a day off from wheeling to see that (and spot/help everyone through of course.)

AxleIke

12-02-2008, 05:18 PM

I 100% agree on the weekday/avoid holding up buggies. Unfortunately, we may anyway, though it looks like there are a lot of places to allow passing.

Rusty Nail should be run the same way.

I'm looking forward to it already. Now, to get the truck done...

ike

12-02-2008, 05:48 PM

Nice little vid of pritchett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah77shOPER4

Gerdo

12-02-2008, 06:01 PM

Sounds like I'm going to have to build some skids. (full belly and gas tank)

Hagan34

12-02-2008, 07:22 PM

AxleIke

12-02-2008, 07:35 PM

Nice little vid of pritchett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah77shOPER4

That guy was camped next to me at CM. Nice little mini truck. Not quite as nice as Jack Rice's FJ45.

Sounds like I'm going to have to build some skids. (full belly and gas tank)

+ front locker :welder: :saw: :D Lets do it!!!

Im up for it LET'S ROLL!!!

Excellent!!! Your truck can winch us up if we get stuck> LOL :D

Hagan34

12-02-2008, 08:04 PM

works for me. could we do it torwards the end of this trip I'd hate to break hard the first day.

Avsfreak1234

12-02-2008, 08:25 PM

ill walk it too. i definately want to do this trip

RedRunnertc

12-02-2008, 08:41 PM

The red one is a guy named George - we met him coming out of Hell's Revenge and ran part of Poison Spider with him.

WTF is Toyota week?

devinsixtyseven

12-02-2008, 10:51 PM

AxleIke

12-02-2008, 11:04 PM

Not sure on Toyota week.

As for Pritchett, I agree. Certainly would like to run the obstacles. Rock pile will be an out for me. The bypass is supposed to be fairly hard in itself.

Perhaps I was a bit dickish in my post earlier, and I apologize. I didn't mean to disclude anyone, and sorry if it came across that way.

Lysmachia

12-02-2008, 11:09 PM

Rock pile will be an out for me. The bypass is supposed to be fairly hard in itself.

You weren't a dick Isaac... (AxleIke) That bypass for the rock pile not to mention yellow hill is STILL a BITCH!!!

00regcab

12-03-2008, 12:03 AM

You can run Pritchett on all the easy lines and say you ran Pritchett. Doing all the hard stuff tho, that's different.

It's an easy trail with about a half dozen OMFG obstacles scattered throughout...but I guess that's most of Moab...

Plenty of stock Rubis run Pritchett, tho not necessarily all the hard lines.

Sean, from what i've been reading/hearing/seeing on pritchett lately, is that even the bypasses are NOT easy (equivalent to the hard lines on trails like Moab Rim, Cliff Hanger, Steel Bender, etc.) but i havent ran the trail myself, so im not 100% sure.

Isaac, i dont think you came across 'dickish'... i honestly dont think i'll have much business being on that trail without a crawl box and more amor... but we'll see what happens with it when the time comes.

Hagan, I think, if we did this trail it would be BEST to do during the week (as discussed), so thursday would probably be the absolute (ideal) latest. Which, i plan to take off mon-fri the week we go, leave the friday before, and stay for 8-10 days this go around. Plenty of wheeling before pritchett, so if i blow something up its not necessarily a wasted trip.

ATTN:

How does everyone feel about the following dates based on input from a few people in this thread

May 29th - June 7th

the 29th being a friday, the 7th being a sunday. If i can get at least 1 other person out there with me during these dates, i'll be there for these dates if thats what we decide on. Obviously some people will only be able to swing a weekend trip, and some a full week, but based on input regarding prices/weather this may be a damn good time to go.

Lysmachia

12-03-2008, 01:39 AM

ATTN:

How does everyone feel about the following dates based on input from a few people in this thread

May 29th - June 7th

the 29th being a friday, the 7th being a sunday. If i can get at least 1 other person out there with me during these dates, i'll be there for these dates if thats what we decide on. Obviously some people will only be able to swing a weekend trip, and some a full week, but based on input regarding prices/weather this may be a damn good time to go.[/B]

I'm in....but gotta check with:

A: Troy (Is Tipppy or RON ready)

and

B: Nic:

Nic We know pritchete.... A PITA But a Trail worthy of us ladies ;)

Quick Draw

12-03-2008, 06:31 AM

ike

12-03-2008, 08:03 AM

$500 shoud be sufficent depending on gas prices.

I have marked the dates on my calendar, but will have to see what happens between now and then.

Gerdo

12-03-2008, 08:31 AM

I'm in....but gotta check with:

A: Troy (Is Tipppy or RON ready)

and

B: Nic:

Nic We know pritchete.... A PITA But a Trail worthy of us ladies ;)

I would suspect that You'll have Ron running. You do need to get Tippy together.

A front locker is't going to happen for me. I will have a full belly pan by then. My brain is working overtime on how to build them. I could buy a pair of BBs but what is the fun of that!

I would love to WATCH some trucks on PC.

AxleIke

12-03-2008, 09:24 AM

Isaac, i dont think you came across 'dickish'... i honestly dont think i'll have much business being on that trail without a crawl box and more amor... but we'll see what happens with it when the time comes.

ATTN:

How does everyone feel about the following dates based on input from a few people in this thread

May 29th - June 7th

the 29th being a friday, the 7th being a sunday. If i can get at least 1 other person out there with me during these dates, i'll be there for these dates if thats what we decide on. Obviously some people will only be able to swing a weekend trip, and some a full week, but based on input regarding prices/weather this may be a damn good time to go.

I don't think a crawl box is needed at all, but armor/willingness to bang stuff up and 2 lockers is. with one locker it'd just be a really, really long day. I'm pretty sure it'll be really long as is.

Those dates sound good, except not all of them. I'd be looking to roll out on a sunday, wheel monday - friday, then home again, so plenty of time planned for getting home if I break.

AxleIke

12-03-2008, 09:31 AM

I should be able to do those dates! Provided I have a running truck.....which I should! ....but you never know...

For those of you who have done the Moab trips before: About how much money should I try to save if I want to stay out there for a week? Assuming camping with a couple nights in a hotel, a couple meals at a restaurant, and gas... $500? $1000? I just really don't know.

At 3.50 a gallon last time I was out, it cost me about 60 for the trip out, and 60 for the trip back. I'd keep at least 200 spare for wheeling, depending on how long you'll be out there.

Hotel and food will be up to you, that is calculated cost, so depending on where you stay and how long, etc...

Also keep some reserve for parts/repair should you break, and make sure you have at least enough to get a uhaul trailer and have someone tow you home. Just to be safe, of course.

devinsixtyseven

12-03-2008, 10:20 AM

Sean, from what i've been reading/hearing/seeing on pritchett lately, is that even the bypasses are NOT easy (equivalent to the hard lines on trails like Moab Rim, Cliff Hanger, Steel Bender, etc.) but i havent ran the trail myself, so im not 100% sure.I think you could do it, tho you might be pulling a winch line for the rock pile.

We rode the bikes (MTB) through the trail to the top, last spring I think it was, watched a bunch of buggies, a Jeep club from Provo, a few truggies, and various asshats run the obstacles.

My impression remains the same, that spotting & driving skill are critical if you don't have a PnS rig...tires are very important, yes we saw one rental Jeep running on small BFG ATs, but they were taking a strap or winch line quite a few places. If you have sticky tires, they'll shine on Pritchett.

We saw everything from a stock Rubicon to a fullsize, old-school F150 run the trail. The F150 was leading two other rigs, a big Bronco and an SAS preTacoma with no front driveshaft. He didn't pull the winch line anywhere we saw.

One vehicle in the Jeep group rolled going up Suicide Hill, but most of them weren't the sharpest drivers around, and their "trail leader" (he even had a fawking t-shirt) couldn't spot the broadside of a Greyhound...it was painful to watch.

Placement really matters on that trail. The hardest section is right before Yellow Hill, that's where "bypass" is sorta a misnomer and tires will help cuz you either need to be narrow enough to come over the top of Suicide, or you must be able to make the climb. Rock Pile is right after, then the final climb up Yellow Hill and you're pretty much done. Before that stretch, it's a difficult trail but only extreme by choice. Rocker Knocker has a bypass that I saw negotiated by a Jeep less-equipped than a stock Rubi, and he also took the Suicide bypass.

I also saw two vehicles busted in unlikely places, one from an incorrect build & prep, the other was likely driver error combined with a weak build...the rolled Jeep on Suicide was a combination of driver & spotter error. Didn't see it in person, but saw the crushed rig leaving town on a flatbed, and later stumbled upon a YouTube video of the roll.

May 29th - June 7th

the 29th being a friday, the 7th being a sunday.I'll be trying to make the full stretch...I guess it depends on what parts are mid-install, but my intent is be there & run hard stuff.

my86yota

12-03-2008, 11:12 AM

Pritchett is an awesome trial to run. You will need a full day to do it, but it is well worth it. We ran it last spring and it was a blast. The easy lines are not as easy any more. Make sure if you have protection before you run. I have seen a lot of guys roll on the different areas.

As far as money goes bring as much as you can. Moab is so much fun you don't want to come up short some cash. For us we tow are big trailer out there, and when Diesel was $5.00 a gal is wasn't fun filling the truck but well worth the trip. I will try to get some pics posted up so you guys can see.

00regcab

12-03-2008, 02:55 PM

I just want to make it clear that if i go the 29th-7th, i wont be leaving until 4:30-5pm on the 29th, it wont be a full day out in moab. So technically, wheeling will be the 30th-6th unless breakage occurs.

Kyle, id strongly suggest just camping the whole time. You can get showers at the KOA, Lazy Lizard Hostel, etc. for $3-$5 a shower, and shower every other day or so, its really not bad.

Also, obviously, the more food you bring with you from the front range, the less it'll cost in food during your trip.

Volcom

12-03-2008, 03:52 PM

You weren't a dick Isaac... (AxleIke) That bypass for the rock pile not to mention yellow hill is STILL a BITCH!!!

Yellow Hill is cake (last climb out of the canyon). Suicide Hill is probably what you are thinking of.

I took the Rock Pile bypass and it was tough (I was on 33's at the time)

I still want to at LEAST hike pritchett just to get a feel for how big the obstacles really are before i commit to that trail. Id also preferr to do it on a day during the week, where we are less likely to hold up any buggies/truggies that may be running the trail as well.

Bud builts, and bedside protection are going in this winter for sure.

Pritchett would be a hell of a long hike. That trail doesn't get that tough until you get to Rocker Knocker which is over halfway through the trail. You'd probably be better off driving to the end and hiking downhill until Rocker Knocker and then hiking back.

There's a bypass to Rocker Knocker and a bypass to the Rock Pile. That's about it. You will have to drive (or winch) several difficult obstacles, no way around it.

It took a group of 6 (all of us were built, lockers F&R, geared low) of us 12 hours to drive with some D44 breakage. I used double low in dual cases on Rocker Knocker, Suicide Hill, Rock Pile bypass, and quite a few other steep, downhill, way off-camber sections.

Lysmachia

12-03-2008, 04:37 PM

Yeah my bad. It is suicide hill. Which has a winch point now thank god. I would never drive tippy up pritchett again without a winchpoint there.

Oh and START early. it sucks trying to do all this at 1:00am....

00regcab

12-03-2008, 05:20 PM

It took a group of 6 (all of us were built, lockers F&R, geared low) of us 12 hours to drive with some D44 breakage. I used double low in dual cases on Rocker Knocker, Suicide Hill, Rock Pile bypass, and quite a few other steep, downhill, way off-camber sections.

I still think it would be do-able in my truck with good driving and spotting.

Nobody thought id make that line at french creek either :p granted, pritchett is a whole nother ball game... i still want to at least attempt it.

Lysmachia

12-03-2008, 05:32 PM

I think you can do it. Without any boidy damage is debatable though ;D

Darrick did it many times in a similar set up. Then again he didn;t care about body damage!

00regcab

12-03-2008, 06:19 PM

I think you can do it. Without any boidy damage is debatable though ;D

Darrick did it many times in a similar set up. Then again he didn;t care about body damage!

well if i have the ext. cab swap, and the 3.4 swap done by then, i'll have "safari bars" more or less (tubing from front bumper-slider, and slider-rear bumper, which should help in most cases), but no matter what, its going to have bedside protection, i just fucked up the OTHER side of my bed this past weekend :eek: So both sides need to be re-done before bedside protection goes on.

Lysmachia

12-03-2008, 07:28 PM

Oh Snap! That sucks. How'd ya do that?

Hagan34

12-03-2008, 09:39 PM

IM up for what ever, if there is only a few then I'll gladly for go pritchete, im a team player.

ike

12-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Dont think he knows for sure. He just has some small cracking of the bondo.

devinsixtyseven

12-04-2008, 07:29 AM

There's an area not too bad for camping just after Rocker Knocker, if it were necessary. Might not be a legit campsite, but as an emergency campsite it would do.

There are bypasses for every line up to that point. After Rocker Knocker is really when the trail starts, at least the trail you always hear about.

I could likely drive in past Rocker Knocker. Beyond, I'd prefer a winch as backup on my IFS rig, and more capable trucks in front and behind. You could also drive to Rocker Knocker and hike up, then turn around at the end of the day...the trail is not one-way, just have to choose your time of day if you turn as there are few places to pass and the trail is normally driven uphill.

Volcom

12-04-2008, 08:54 AM

There's an area not too bad for camping just after Rocker Knocker, if it were necessary. Might not be a legit campsite, but as an emergency campsite it would do.

That's the area where they land the helicopter during EJS and setup a DUI checkpoint :D Talked to a Moab police officer a couple of years ago and he was telling us about that. Crazy! Then if they catch you drinking and driving, they arrest you, and put you on the copter. Book you in jail and charge you with a DUI, fuel costs for the ride, and a several thousand dollar tow bill to get your rig out of Pritchett :D :D :D Cop said it usually takes the tow truck driver 10-15 hours (at $100/hr) to get a rig out of Pritchett (without damage because they are responsible for any damage under their care).

He also said that he's chased people up the first part (steep fin next to Lions Back) of Hells Renege in his Crown Vic. If you can make it to the sand, you'll get away :D

mrdoug

12-04-2008, 09:08 AM

That's the area where they land the helicopter during EJS and setup a DUI checkpoint :D Talked to a Moab police officer a couple of years ago and he was telling us about that. Crazy! Then if they catch you drinking and driving, they arrest you, and put you on the copter. Book you in jail and charge you with a DUI, fuel costs for the ride, and a several thousand dollar tow bill to get your rig out of Pritchett :D :D :D Cop said it usually takes the tow truck driver 10-15 hours (at $100/hr) to get a rig out of Pritchett (without damage because they are responsible for any damage under their care).

He also said that he's chased people up the first part (steep fin next to Lions Back) of Hells Renege in his Crown Vic. If you can make it to the sand, you'll get away :D

That's hillarious! you're not serious are you?

RedRunnertc

12-04-2008, 09:41 AM

He also said that he's chased people up the first part (steep fin next to Lions Back) of Hells Renege in his Crown Vic. If you can make it to the sand, you'll get away :D

How does he get up the steep ledge right at the start?

I buy a Crown Vic making it over Kitten's Back once he got on it, just don't see how he would get up there and how he would get out if he did make it over.

AxleIke

12-04-2008, 10:05 AM

ike

12-04-2008, 10:23 AM

I bet they catch quite a few people every year at EJS

Volcom

12-04-2008, 10:28 AM

That's hillarious! you're not serious are you?

Dead serious! He was a pretty cool guy to talk to.

How does he get up the steep ledge right at the start?

I buy a Crown Vic making it over Kitten's Back once he got on it, just don't see how he would get up there and how he would get out if he did make it over.

Moab bump :D He said he's done it several times. Kinda made me think twice about building a 4Runner, should have started with a Crown Vic :cool:

That is awesome.

We were working on my friend's XJ in the Canyonlands RV campgrounds. He drives up and rolls down his window and says "You know, you're not suppose to ...." and we're thinking he is going to tell us we can't work on our rigs in the campground. He continues with "... break so soon on your Moab trip :D "

He probably hung around for an hour shooting the sh!t about Moab, 4wheeling (he's a fellow Toyota wheeler that has put his 4Runner in double low and walked it up from the outside of the truck up Lions Back :eek: ), EJS which started a week later, and how crazy it gets during EJS.

ike

12-04-2008, 01:40 PM

That moab bump on a cop car would be great to see in person.

Lysmachia

12-04-2008, 03:01 PM

An old Cottora buddy got nailed in Moab during EJS. Thaey had all sorts of undercover women who infiltrated all the camps, and then a few days later had a black ops bunch of helicopters and swat guys descend on the camps and arrest everyone who had done drugs or drank and drove.

Apparently EJS is how MOAB makes their money for the town...

ike

12-04-2008, 03:09 PM

That sounds alittle far fetched.

Lysmachia

12-04-2008, 04:05 PM

Nope I got the live scoop from several peeps. Happened like 5 years ago. It kinda screwed up his life... :(

ike

12-04-2008, 04:05 PM

Shitty,

Never trust the female spies

RedRunnertc

12-04-2008, 07:00 PM

Never trust the female

Amen brother

ike

12-05-2008, 04:42 AM

now troy, you know she reads this right.

mrdoug

12-05-2008, 06:29 AM

Never trust the female

Amen brother

X3

now troy, you know she reads this right.

yeah, but molly's a smart chick, she knows not to trust the female too. And she knows why.

devinsixtyseven

12-05-2008, 09:34 AM

Well hell, they gotta live another 51 weeks on the revenue from EJS :lmao:...

ike

12-07-2008, 10:25 PM

bet you wont see any cops if you head down to the Maze. We gotta get a trip out to that area planned sometime next year also.

devinsixtyseven

12-10-2008, 09:43 AM

bet you wont see any cops if you head down to the Maze. We gotta get a trip out to that area planned sometime next year also.

Who's running LT? Or is willing to pretend they do?

RedRunnertc

12-10-2008, 11:40 AM

Just you - that's why you're carrying all the camping stuff. You'll have plenty of time to setup camp while waiting for us to catch up!

ike

12-10-2008, 12:24 PM

:lmao:

packrat1

12-11-2008, 07:32 PM

Id also be interested in hooking up with you guys, but I dont have dates yet set for my summer trip. This is right around the time my kids get out of school, so the timming of this might be bad. June is getting pretty warm over there too, and I may be able to get out there earlier with my local club.

I'll know more in late January about how my calendar will work out.

so I guess Im telling you that I might be in.

Lysmachia

12-11-2008, 07:39 PM

so I guess Im telling you that I might be in.

So I guess we're telling you... You better be! :neener:

We wanna see this truck of yours!

ike

12-12-2008, 04:43 AM

X2, Let us know what works for you. We will consider your input for sure.

fjcruzer

12-16-2008, 07:46 PM

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ike

12-16-2008, 07:54 PM

Will have to keep it in mind, but dont think i will be able to do that out in moab. maybe in GJ. Hopefully he does something on the front range.

Lysmachia

12-16-2008, 07:58 PM

This is Bill Burke Right> Cuz he has been in touch with troy and I and it looks like we can set up a front range 1 day course!

ike

12-16-2008, 08:06 PM

Cool, it also looks like he is offering some corses in the Denver area already on his website. Looks like they are at the end of May/beggining of June.

fjcruzer

12-17-2008, 10:25 AM

Will have to keep it in mind, but dont think i will be able to do that out in moab. maybe in GJ. Hopefully he does something on the front range.

Yes

This is Bill Burke Right> Cuz he has been in touch with troy and I and it looks like we can set up a front range 1 day course!

Yes

Cool, it also looks like he is offering some corses in the Denver area already on his website. Looks like they are at the end of May/beggining of June.

Yes

I just emailed him so he knows we're still interested in making that happen.

ike

12-17-2008, 10:44 AM

Sounds great. thanks Eric.

devinsixtyseven

12-17-2008, 11:32 AM

Jacket

12-17-2008, 12:00 PM

Another option to consider besides the DTS for formal training. Graham is from here in Louisville, and it appears that most of the classes will be offered in both Colorado and Arizona locations.

http://overlandtraining.com/catalog/

ike

12-17-2008, 01:53 PM

would love to do 9 days, but it depends on work ect.... wont know until march or so.

Dough has a charles wells guide.

RedRunnertc

12-17-2008, 04:27 PM

Very cool...worth another thread probably, so this one isn't derailed. I'd be interested in a 1-day DTS here in the Front Range.

Who has a copy of the Charles Wells book, or maps of Moab North/South, Canyonlands, Arches etc?

We have both

Who wants to camp?

Who needs/wants a hotel? (I wouldn't mind a hotel one night)

Camping just involves bringing SO much more crap in an already crowded rig ... but on-season hotel rates are higher than I want to pay ... such a dilemma! I need a trailer or something ...

Who wants backcountry?

Who wants hardcore?

My rig is kinda PITA for real backcountry ... just flat out not enough range with the small fuel cell. Looking at about 150 miles per tank offroad ...

Who can commit to a week, four days, three days, or just arriving on a Friday night and leaving Sunday afternoon?

Speak up...four months only seems like a lot of time.

A week might be pushing it, but 4 days is pretty reasonable.

ike

12-17-2008, 04:47 PM

I will definately be camping. there is the KOA and a hostel for showers. Not to mention the members who will have hotel rooms.

Hagan34

12-17-2008, 05:49 PM

maps of Moab North/South, Canyonlands, Arches etc?

North/ South hope to have C-Lands, ANP maps soon.

wants to camp?

Me

needs/wants a hotel? (I wouldn't mind a hotel one night)

same here

wants backcountry?

Who wants hardcore?

up for what ever but would like some of both.

can commit to a week, four days, three days, or just arriving on a Friday night and leaving Sunday afternoon?

Planing on the trip but will depend on work also should know in march.

00regcab

12-17-2008, 10:08 PM

Im camping, and like ike, will hopefully be for 8 full days, and a 9 day total trip.

Not into the back country stuff at all. A half-day easy trail? sure. DAYS of dirt roads and scenery? Not for me. Moab is beautiful, but id rather do stuff like that on a dirt bike. Not to mention packing/unpacking the truck daily.

- Troy, there will be quite a few people going, im sure we can setup something to haul some of your stuff. I can make room if the need be. This is why i like ONE camp site for the week. You get there, EVERYTHING comes out of your truck, and your set for the week. Then at the end of the week, you load up and go home.

Behind the rocks, and pritchett are on my to-do list for the next trip.

devinsixtyseven

12-17-2008, 10:27 PM

The hostel can get pretty gross. The Sleep Inn on the south end of town is clean, dog friendly, offers AAA discount, and has a hot tub.

May I recommend the Boulder Map Gallery...the owner carries the Wells books among others, and all the maps you'll ever need.

I'd really like to spend a week there if possible. It would be great to run a few trails as warmup, do an overnight or two in the bush, then back to civilization and run the hardest trails at the end of the week.

We'll likely spend at least one night in the hotel, at the end of the trip.

Trails I'd like to do...taken from the 1st-ed Wells book...

Metal Masher
Gold Bar Rim/Golden Spike/Poison Spider
Cliff Hanger
Moab Rim
Kane Creek
Behind the Rocks
Flat Iron Mesa
Hells Revenge
Steel Bender

Not necessarily in that order. I'd lean toward BTR and Moab Rim last. Only the Gold/Poison route would be a camping route, the rest are day trips, so hotel friendly, or camp if you want.

I won't run Pritchett with my current build, but I'd sit right seat if someone has space.

00regcab

12-17-2008, 10:36 PM

The hostel can get pretty gross. The Sleep Inn on the south end of town is clean, dog friendly, offers AAA discount, and has a hot tub.

Ike was referring to the hostel and koa strictly for showers. But good info on a hotel

The showers werent GREAT, but when you've been covered in dirt, freezing your ass off for two days, they work just fine.

4Runner_Girl

12-17-2008, 10:41 PM

I dont know a whole lot about Moab but I am down if you guys can deal with a newbie....I can sleep in my car...lol...so whatever....

ike

12-17-2008, 11:24 PM

the poision spider bike shop is another shower option i forgot to mention.

Lysmachia

12-18-2008, 07:38 AM

Trails I'd like to do...taken from the 1st-ed Wells book...

Metal Masher
Gold Bar Rim/Golden Spike/Poison Spider
Cliff Hanger
Moab Rim
Kane Creek
Behind the Rocks
Flat Iron Mesa
Hells Revenge
Steel Bender

I can guide all of those except BTR (I have only run that once as a passenger) I can also guide Pritchett if anyone is so inclined!

I'm up for camping a couple of nights and then motelling it near the end ;)

mrdoug

12-18-2008, 09:03 AM

If I can swing the time off, I'd be up for the camping and maybe a night in a hotel depending on weather/conditions.

I want to run Moab Rim next time I'm out, and re-run cliff hanger and hells revenge again (strong maybe on steel bender). The others I will pick/choose from when I know what state my truck is in at the time including rolling with Sean overland style. I don't mind the packing/unpacking thing. I don't have anything close to long travel, but might be able to fake it a little.

extremepaint

12-18-2008, 10:30 AM

if i can manage to get shocks sliders skids and a rear bumper im gonna be good to run nearly anything (besides for trails like prichett)

i know id be good for a trip planned around a weekend/holiday but with my income right now its gonna be hard to manage a whole week out there

im also up for some high speed overland stuff and some good views
but still want to get techinical here and there but im sure thats not gonna be a problem in moab

oh im also good for camping a couple nights if i can aquire the tent and neccesitys but will deffinitly want to get a hotel at least the night before i head back

ike

12-18-2008, 11:05 AM

The new runner locked? Moab is not nearly as expensive as you may think as long as you camp. Food can be made cheap. your only real expense is gas.

devinsixtyseven

12-18-2008, 11:09 AM

I can guide all of those except BTR (I have only run that once as a passenger)Bueno. How many of those you figure my truck will fit through, or require extremely tight maneuvering?
I want to run Moab Rim next time I'm out, and re-run cliff hanger and hells revenge again (strong maybe on steel bender).Amasa Back and Hells Revenge are definitely on my list & so is Steel Bender. I'm up for Moab Rim if it'll fit.including rolling with Sean overland style. I don't mind the packing/unpacking thing. I don't have anything close to long travel, but might be able to fake it a little.I'm leaning more toward wheeling this time, to see if I've built it right or not...less so this trip looking for a place to camp. I'm thinking any camping would be on the long route across Golden Spike, or "as needed" (& hopefully not necessary), only because all these trails are local to the Moab area & camping is more restrictive the closer you get to Moab central.

Also I think I'd rather get a good night's rest after a day of difficult wheeling, at least over what for me is gonna be a shakedown trip. Once I know how it's all gonna work, I'll be cool with an overland style trip...but I gotta know what I'm working with first.

BTW you can probably get an honest 10-12" of vertical travel on your truck, dunno what the FJC will do.

Sevenmile Rim is a great trail for moving fast, but you gotta be set up for it. I'd run that trail again, but fast...already done it twice now and helped bring a Tundra out the hard line from the bottom of Uranium Arch. Only stuff I'm really interested in, on that route, is running my own truck out the hard line, coming up Wipeout Hill, and the section past Determination Towers.

Ben let's talk about shocks...

ike

12-18-2008, 11:22 AM

Think Doug ran 7mile by himself last time he was out there.

mrdoug

12-18-2008, 11:33 AM

yup, including wipeout hill. It's alright.. Nate would hate it tho. Along with mild trail and scenery, there's a little off-camber stuff that makes you feel tippy as hell. I'd put it on my maybe list. Not sure what you mean by the "hard line" from the bottom of Uranium Arch.. I don't remember any kind of really difficult section around there. my memory might be failing tho.

Overland is probably the wrong term to use there too Sean... I was referring to your comment "It would be great to run a few trails as warmup, do an overnight or two in the bush, then back to civilization and run the hardest trails at the end of the week."

00regcab

12-18-2008, 12:32 PM

I did seven mile doug, i believe i was the one that recommended it to you :p

The uranium arch is a side-spur that i did not do on that trail.

Seven mile wasnt bad, it was a good, fun, 2 hour trail with me in my truck and my dad on a bike.

We'll see what others agendas are like for the cliff hanger day, its a fun trail, but its the only one ive done when i've been to moab (cliff hanger and steel bender twice now). Im definitely in for hells revenge again though!

devinsixtyseven

12-18-2008, 12:49 PM

If you're facing Uranium Arch, the harder exit is to the right. There are two lines near the top of that exit. One goes left, is relatively flat, and has a sharp right turn at the end.

The other stays right, climbs the chunky slickrock pile with a 30* driver's side lean (said the gauge on the dash), drops the driver side in to a small hole for a couple degrees more, then you roll out.

It's not really hard so much as it's careful spotting & driving and confidence in your truck's roll angle.

Looks like I'll fit through Hells Revenge just fine. Would like to run Hells Gate and Escalator. If it's reasonable to be able to turn the big tires on slickrock with my steering gear, I'd like to run them if I have time to fit them to the wheel wells & can find a way to transport them out.

If I were gonna pick two more trails, they'd be Cliffhanger and Steel Bender.

ike

12-18-2008, 01:05 PM

I am definatley doing hells revenge since i missed out on it last time. wouldnt mind cliff hanger again, but would rather do moab rim.

Sean, you wont have any problems fitting through anything on hells revenge.

devinsixtyseven

12-18-2008, 01:24 PM

Awesome. How about the Z-turn on Moab Rim?

ike

12-18-2008, 01:32 PM

Never done it, so i dont know. Jacket did it with is new gen taco, so maybe he can give some input.

Volcom

12-18-2008, 01:36 PM

Awesome. How about the Z-turn on Moab Rim?

You'll be fine on the Z-Turn but I doubt you'd fit on Escalator on HR. Hells Gate may be interesting as well :D

I also wouldn't make Poison Spyder, Golden Spike, Gold Bar Rim a 2 day affair. Start early, keep moving, and it should take you 11-13 hours.

ike

12-18-2008, 01:44 PM

I think he will fit on Hells gate no problem. Escalator may mean taking some body damage to fit up it.

devinsixtyseven

12-18-2008, 02:12 PM

Body of my truck is almost exactly the same size as a 2nd gen Taco...just the axles are wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiider. Might need a few more iiiiiiiiiiiiis. Fawkin wide! Hair under 89" wide in front, outside to outside, with the big tires if they'll work. 85" with the smaller tires.

Keep moving is easy...pictures is what takes so damn long! That's also why I like small groups.

Watched a few vids of Z-turn. This ARB bumper must go :eek:.

I think I might be able to straddle the hole on Escalator. Hells, I probably can, it'll just be a matter of turning the wheels...

RedRunnertc

12-18-2008, 03:02 PM

I think I might be able to straddle the hole on Escalator. Hells, I probably can, it'll just be a matter of turning the wheels...

Yeah, I think between the width and the wheelbase, you will skip right over all the hard part of escalator.

mrdoug

12-18-2008, 03:33 PM

It'll be interesting to watch.. with that width, you'll be riding waaaay up on the walls which makes slipping off even more of an adventure.

Hagan34

12-18-2008, 04:40 PM

I dont know a whole lot about Moab but I am down if you guys can deal with a newbie....I can sleep in my car...lol...so whatever....

I have an extra tent......... not to be confused with extra room in a tent :rolleyes:

ike

12-18-2008, 04:51 PM

Dont think he will have trouble with slipping off the walls, he will almost be wedged in there. He could also take the Molly approach and go up escalator sidways to make himself thinner.

4Runner_Girl

12-18-2008, 04:52 PM

I have an extra tent......... not to be confused with extra room in a tent :rolleyes:

hopefully by that time will have locker and some armor...also i have tent lol my 4runner back seats fold down so either way...lolas long as we can shower at some point...lol my friend amber might be able to come june might work better but let me know asap so i can save up....

ike

12-18-2008, 04:57 PM

If you want to go start saving regardless. I have a feeling there will be several trips out that way this year.

Hagan34

12-18-2008, 05:41 PM

if you want to go start saving regardless. I have a feeling there will be several trips out that way this year.

woooo whooo!!!!

devinsixtyseven

12-19-2008, 08:11 AM

Dont think he will have trouble with slipping off the walls, he will almost be wedged in there. He could also take the Molly approach and go up escalator sidways to make himself thinner.Yanno, the truck is probably stable enough to do that.

If the big tires work out, grip shouldn't be a problem :xpimp:

Lysmachia

12-19-2008, 11:22 AM

Sean you will have no problem on Moab Rim (z-turn) In fact I can't really think of a trail you'll have a problem with in terms of width.

mrdoug

12-19-2008, 12:46 PM

yeah, I don't know if you'll have problems as much as there are a couple of tight spots that should be fun to watch you in... that really skinny section leaving Hells revenge felt tight in my relatively skinny taco.

And there was a place on the trail out Lockheart I think, heading down to the trail head for the slot canyon hiking that is super skinny. I remember hauling ass out there someplace and coming up to a spot where the trail kind of jogs right thru a crack in a rock. Kind of odd, cause if I remember right, it was almost like somebody decided to stop and go find the tightest spot to try to drive thru then mark the trail like that.

fjcruzer

12-19-2008, 12:59 PM

Sean you will have no problem on Moab Rim (z-turn) In fact I can't really think of a trail you'll have a problem with in terms of width.

It's not on your list Sean, but Elephant Hill has a bit of a narrow spot IIRC.

devinsixtyseven

12-19-2008, 01:35 PM

If you want to go start saving regardless. I have a feeling there will be several trips out that way this year.Uh-huh :xsmokin1:

This year I want to hit Horseshoe Canyon, Millard Bottom, Hole in the Rock, and the Kaiparowitz Plateau.

For all of those, the ability to go fast isn't required but it sure helps.

Would also like to go backpacking in Ernie's Country (Maze District, 4WD required), Dark Canyon, and Salt Creek.

Erik I'm leery of heading through The Squeeze on 37s. I suspect I can do it with 35x12.5 and I know I can do it with pizza cutters. The glass fits fine, done it before the LT. It's worth trying, just to see how much room there is (or isn't).

Honestly tho I can think of few reasons I'd be running on these particular 37s that far from Moab, they're "L" speed rated & pavement will eat them. They're more for screwing around close to home & I think this trip will be the perfect time to play with them. For the rest it'll be narrower tires, regardless the diameter.

packrat1

12-20-2008, 08:38 PM

Very cool...worth another thread probably, so this one isn't derailed. I'd be interested in a 1-day DTS here in the Front Range.

Who has a copy of the Charles Wells book, or maps of Moab North/South, Canyonlands, Arches etc?

Who wants to camp?

Who needs/wants a hotel? (I wouldn't mind a hotel one night)

Who wants backcountry?

Who wants hardcore?

Who can commit to a week, four days, three days, or just arriving on a Friday night and leaving Sunday afternoon?

Speak up...four months only seems like a lot of time.

If I can make it, it would be for multiple days - 5 or more.
I'll probably flat tow the toy with a pickup and slide in camper.
So a camp site is fine, no need for hook-ups. Day trips from camp = best
I'll have two dogs, which get harnessed and remain in the cab while driving, but are free to roam while I'm stopped. They are very friendly.
I won't have anyone riding shotgun, so I could take a passenger on some runs.
Would prefer to run technical stuff to get to know my truck and better my skills.
still working on my available dates though

fjcruzer

12-20-2008, 08:57 PM

Erik I'm leery of heading through The Squeeze on 37s. I suspect I can do it with 35x12.5 and I know I can do it with pizza cutters. The glass fits fine, done it before the LT. It's worth trying, just to see how much room there is (or isn't).

If I got my fat ass through there, I'm thinking you could with the 35s. Certainly worth the picture if you try it with 37s.

ike

12-20-2008, 08:58 PM

Sounds great. Depending on the dates, it is not the most dog freindly place. gets really hot sometimes.

00regcab

12-21-2008, 04:10 AM

Sounds great. Depending on the dates, it is not the most dog freindly place. gets really hot sometimes.

Theres plenty of shade and the creek right in the campsite i like, so dogs should be ok.
:kewl:

4Runner_Girl

12-21-2008, 11:47 PM

Theres plenty of shade and the creek right in the campsite i like, so dogs should be ok.
:kewl:

i think it might be ok...

ike

12-21-2008, 11:54 PM

Cant wait for this. Now maybe i can get off of my ass and get Mr. Ugly up and going by then. Unlikely i would trust it for such a long trip by then though.

Quick Draw

12-22-2008, 10:15 AM

Cant wait for this. Now maybe i can get off of my ass and get Mr. Ugly up and going by then. Unlikely i would trust it for such a long trip by then though.

Get on it! Throw an alternator in that thing. I know wiring sucks, but you just gotta get through it so you can get to the fun stuff. It would be cool to have a first gen pickup takeover in Moab between you, me, and fast7mtoys.

ike

12-22-2008, 10:55 AM

Mr. Ugly doesnt need an alternator. The 2wd does. Mr. Ugly has some issue where he starts and runs great for 5 minutes or so and then just dies, at increasingly short intervals unless you let him sit for awhile. Likely wiring issue also. Thinking it is the fuel cut selinoide.

RedRunnertc

12-22-2008, 11:36 AM

selinoide.

:confused: You have officially taken the Spelling Bee Championship of the World away from Lysmachia.

(n) solenoid (a coil of wire around an iron core; becomes a magnet when current passes through the coil)

ike

12-22-2008, 11:37 AM

I always wanted to win something.

Lysmachia

12-22-2008, 02:46 PM

:confused: You have officially taken the Spelling Bee Championship of the World away from Lysmachia.

Oh Snap. That hurts! (I still Kick your ass in Boggle Troy!!)

So yeah we will bring Layla for sure. Since she has no fat or hair heat is prolly better than cold but still we need to play it safe. No dogs are allowed in CanyonLands so just be aware of that. (Meaning we cannot run Elephant Rim with Layla if we had her).

fjcruzer

12-22-2008, 02:57 PM

No dogs are allowed in CanyonLands so just be aware of that. (Meaning we cannot run Elephant Rim with Layla if we had her).

This has been done, but... Shhhh! :rolleyes:

ike

12-22-2008, 03:03 PM

Think you mean Elephant Hill there Molly.

RedRunnertc

12-22-2008, 03:06 PM

She's just trying to get the award back ... you can tell she's really upset with lashing out at me like that. :D

(Seriously - she DOES beat me at Boggle, which makes me feel REALLY bad)

Lysmachia

12-22-2008, 03:16 PM

Think you mean Elephant Hill there Molly.

Oops - yeah that. I was having a momentary lapse of reason...

She's just trying to get the award back ... you can tell she's really upset with lashing out at me like that. :D

(Seriously - she DOES beat me at Boggle, which makes me feel REALLY bad)

I have the perfect snowball waiting for you... for when you get back up here! Layla has a yellow snowball for you!

ike

12-22-2008, 03:18 PM

He really wants a lemon snow cone though.

RedRunnertc

12-22-2008, 04:28 PM

You keeping it in the freezer, like Bill Cosby?

Lysmachia

12-22-2008, 05:28 PM

Hells yeah. I'm gonna wait till summer to get you... Jr Barns... Of course My mom will prolly throw it out.

ike

12-23-2008, 01:21 PM

Just be sure to leave them at home for the Moab trip.

devinsixtyseven

12-24-2008, 10:29 AM

Dunno if we'll be bringing Scoup or not, this trip. Really depends on season and what we're gonna run...he's got a lot of fur, and likes to be out of the truck.

Whoever wins the Spelling Bee has to rim an elephant :flipoff4:

I've been through the Squeeze on 35s before, and helped a fullsize (Sportsmobile on 60s with 37x12.5 on 17x10) make it, but the LT kit made everything a little wider. I think the 35s will fit...probably be running them that far south anyway since the 37s will disintegrate on the highway.

ike

12-24-2008, 09:20 PM

I am not really set on making it down south my first trip out there this year. Plenty of trails right around moab that are still on my list.

Quick Draw

12-26-2008, 10:35 PM

So my goal is to turn the little truck into a big ass kicking (underpowered) beast by May so that I can take it to Moab. That's the thought that gets my ass out into the garage working on it. Ike, you ought to do the same with Mr. Ugly.... Would be nice to have a 20R buddy on the drive out there so that I'm not putting down the highway and getting flipped off by people flying around me alone... :D

ike

12-26-2008, 10:42 PM

Would like to make it happen, but it depends on how much free time and money i have over the next few months.

00regcab

12-27-2008, 05:37 AM

Looks like you guys will be planning on leaving about 3 hours before the rest of us then... and we'll probably pull into moab less than 20 minutes after you :lmao:

ike

12-27-2008, 09:48 AM

Depends on how your rear end treats you on the highway:rolleyes:

Mine, if it makes it will likely be able to keep up through most of the trip.

RedRunnertc

12-27-2008, 10:23 AM

My heavy/underpowered beast will hang back with you guys for sure... hell if you do a good job keeping your rigs light, you'll probably be waiting for me!

Of course, since I have to fill up every 150-180 miles, it takes me longer anyways...

ike

12-27-2008, 10:44 AM

You just need some jerry cans and a set-up for molly to refuel you enroute by that time.

AxleIke

12-27-2008, 11:28 AM

Obviously, this is a long way off, so, we'll have to see when we get closer how many are actually going, but I wanted to get the thought process going, so no one gets upset.

Not to be a dick, but as things stand, to me, it looks like a cluster. I love wheeling with all here, but not all at once. Small groups on several trails is, IMO, WAY more fun than one large one on a single trail.

Problem is, how do you split it up so that no one feels screwed? Obviously, harder trails and easier trails is one easy way to split it, as some folks have already indicated that they don't want to run certain things. But what about within those groups?

For example, I see a bunch of people who have, or will have, built rigs. I assume they'll want to run the hard trails. Personally, I like about 4 trucks. 5 is okay.

I don't have an answer, but wanted to bring it up so we can think about it.

Again, this isn't to exclude anyone. Its just about making things run smoothly. I'll have one of the smallest trucks. If I'm excluded, thats cool, but I want to know about it long before we get out there, so I'm not all stoked to run something with a certain group, and then find out I'm not going.

ike

12-27-2008, 03:17 PM

I personally like smaller groups also. About 5 is the biggest i like to go. I think we will have to see who heads out, and go from there. On trails like hells revenge a huge group is not a big deal. Then other days we will likely want to break into groups. I dont think this will be all that hard to do once we see who makes it out there and what they would like to run. Your truck may be small, but it is definately capable.

thefatkid

12-27-2008, 03:55 PM

Is there a offical date yet? If I can make it.....

I could be a trail leader or 2nd group leader depending on how you "split people up". I've run many of the trails there (still manage to get lost on hells revenge though) mutiple times. Trails I perfer for slightly modified and armoured vehicles would be: Hells revenge, Cliffhanger (amasa back), Moab rim, steel bender, metal masher, fins and things, and Behind the rocks. Prichette is cool but on the rough side.

The OHV area at white wash sand dunes is fun if you have more then average power and suspension. It is 1 exit past hwy191 off of I70. Not the best trip for the "Ron" type vehicles with skinny tires and little power.

ike

12-27-2008, 03:59 PM

We have not picked official dates as of yet. I would like to see it happen in the second half of May myself.

JeepGuy

12-27-2008, 07:06 PM

So did you guys decide on the May 29 - June 7 dates? I was just talking about doing a Moab trip this May and I'd like to join you guys.

00regcab

12-28-2008, 05:21 AM

Dates are not set 100% in stone yet.

Days should be determined before March 1st, which will give people roughly 3 months of advance notice to get time off, and plan accordingly.

devinsixtyseven

12-28-2008, 07:54 PM

Ideas:

Four trucks of similar ability seems like a good number on a difficult route.

Some of these routes are half day trips.

We could make a refueling boom for Ron, and probably work it up with some flex sections and an electric pump.

Three months should be enough for me to get around to painting my leaf springs.

mrdoug

12-29-2008, 09:49 AM

We could make a refueling boom for Ron, and probably work it up with some flex sections and an electric pump.

Don't know about the whole electric pump thing.. sounds complicated when compared to using a super siphon -> https://www.expeditionexchange.com/supersiphon/

I used mine on the last trip to Moab and loved it. Made transferring fuel from jerry cans 100% easier. Nate and Ike found it useful too.

RedRunnertc

12-29-2008, 11:35 AM

Yeah, but can you use it on the road?

Something like this is what I need ...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/S-3_Viking_in-flight_refueling.jpg/800px-S-3_Viking_in-flight_refueling.jpg

Sean's tundra is probably big enough to pull the drogue...

Lysmachia

12-29-2008, 01:22 PM

So did you guys decide on the May 29 - June 7 dates? I was just talking about doing a Moab trip this May and I'd like to join you guys.

I very much prefer May over June due to weather. Late may is perfect (But not Memorial day weekend). Like the weekend before that....

And I so wanna see this cool fuel set-up you guys are gonna make for Ron...

ike

12-29-2008, 01:47 PM

It is simple. Super siphon from a jerry can into the fuel cell while driving and rons range will be greatly improved.

devinsixtyseven

01-01-2009, 11:58 AM

we so need to try this :D.

preferably first with water between a couple jugs or something, tho.

super siphons are great! get one for water and one for fuel. really handy little things.

ike

01-01-2009, 10:12 PM

You would be in for a big suprise if you got the two mixed up.

RedRunnertc

01-02-2009, 04:44 PM

Splitting up into 2 or more groups may go beyond desirable and be necessary to avoid permitting issues. Looks like the BLM has recently changed the permit requirements from 50 RIGS to 25 PEOPLE. In other words, even a moderately sized group could require a permit (and thereby insurance) ...

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=138526

00regcab

01-02-2009, 05:01 PM

I dont think we'll see 25 people on this trip... i mean i HOPE we do, but i dont forsee it happening after how far the last trip dwindled down.

I think we'll play the splitting groups by ear, dependent on size, and what trails we want to do, etc. etc.

ike

01-02-2009, 09:28 PM

X2 on what Nate said. Just look at the number that actually went out in the fall.

devinsixtyseven

01-02-2009, 11:38 PM

I agree with Nate...play by ear.

Come with some plans and ideas, tho.

00regcab

01-04-2009, 05:12 AM

Dates:

Friday May 29th (drive out in PM, after 5pm specifically)
Saturday May 30th - wheel
Sunday May 31st - wheel
Monday June 1st - wheel
Tuesday June 2nd - wheel
Wednesday June 3rd - wheel
Thursday June 4th - wheel
Friday June 5th - wheel
Saturday June 6th - wheel
Sunday June 7th - possible trail in the morning (most likely breakfast at the diner), and drive back PM. (leaving moab around noon)

how does this sound to everyone?

Its the weekend after memorial day, and still early enough in June to where we SHOULD see high 80's or low 90's temps during the day.

Quick Draw

01-04-2009, 09:54 AM

I like it. Right after my graduation ceremony, so then I can say "Off to Moab, suckers!" :xpimp:

ike

01-04-2009, 10:35 AM

Works for me unless something changes with work, and the can happen at any time.

fjcruzer

01-04-2009, 11:51 AM

devinsixtyseven

01-04-2009, 12:10 PM

Should work for me.

Potential meeting points...
Park n Ride at the hogback up I70 just southwest of Golden
Horizon Drive (GJ)
Crescent Junction

We're gonna be camping...bunch of great sites north of Moab...

Everybody got CB? Anybody got 2m?

ike

01-04-2009, 07:19 PM

I would recommend camping at the spot in Kane creek. Damn good site. Lots of room, soft sand to set up tents on. Close to town and several of the trails we will likely run ect......

Meeting points will have to be decided later on, as some people will be leaving at different times.

00regcab

01-04-2009, 10:04 PM

I would recommend starting on Tuesday the 26th. That's the same time frame we were there last year and it was nice and quiet during the week, but nice and warm with enough light for 12 hour days. After the 31st it'll start getting busy since peeps (like Quick Draw) will be done with school and heading out for their first summer wheeling. :2cents:

I decided on these dates, since leaving on a friday night after week of work will net us 8 FULL days of wheeling, with only 5 days off work.

Where as, leaving tuesday, with 5 days off work we'd only be seeing 6 full days of wheeling.

ike

01-04-2009, 10:21 PM

My logic also. Even though there will be more people over the weekends, it beats having less time out there.

00regcab

01-05-2009, 11:45 PM

Especially for the same amount of time away from work, for those of us (guilty here) that live paycheck to paycheck! lol

dirtyXplorer

01-09-2009, 04:27 PM

Hey...

I might be able to make it this year if its the 29th-7th...

I will be chillin with the "mostly stock" peeps :)

ike

01-10-2009, 07:16 PM

Sweet.

00regcab

01-11-2009, 02:42 AM

There will be plenty of trails for you to do with enjoyment as long as you have a minimum of Sliders.

RedRunnertc

01-11-2009, 08:42 AM

As of yesterday, he has sliders on both sides!

ike

01-11-2009, 08:48 AM

Even without sliders there are trails that are doable, you just have to be ok with the fact that if you mess up you WILL take damage. Really way more pressure than you should put on your spotters though.

dirtyXplorer

01-11-2009, 09:07 AM

As of yesterday, he has sliders on both sides!

yep! and a new battery!

What should be second on the list after sliders? After looking at at my truck it looks like the gastank, transfer case skid, and trailer hitch may take a beating on the trail.

ike

01-11-2009, 09:22 AM

Skids are definately a great next investment. Buy some budbuilts, and they will cover everything but the diff and gas tank. I am going to be taking a look at my gas tank and hopefully fabbing up something for that as there are no skids on the market that i know of.

Dont know what is avalible for the runners as far as gas tank skids.

Sucka

01-11-2009, 09:54 AM

I'm following this thread, I might be in for a few days. Don't think I could do the full week though.

I'll be rollin with the stock peeps as well :D I'm probably going to take Doug's advice and at least invest in a set of sliders. I'll definetly be keeping it mellow though, the old DD isn't ready to take on damage yet!

fjcruzer

01-11-2009, 12:13 PM

I decided on these dates, since leaving on a friday night after week of work will net us 8 FULL days of wheeling, with only 5 days off work.

Where as, leaving tuesday, with 5 days off work we'd only be seeing 6 full days of wheeling.

Definitely more time. 8 days is a bit much for me. After four 12-hour days I was pooped. Enjoy your youth :D

RedRunnertc

01-11-2009, 02:34 PM

What should be second on the list after sliders?

http://www.sonoransteel.com/Early_IFS_Brace.html

http://www.budbuilt.com/new/ifs.html

http://www.budbuilt.com/new/single_cross_members.html

You've seen how beat mine are ... I don't want to image what it would be like without them there!

Oh - and you have the factory 4.88's, so you're good to 31's or so.
http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=274535

00regcab

01-11-2009, 03:30 PM

As far as moab goes for skids, i dont think they're really necessary. I've only barely bumped mine once or twice in moab for some reason. Its just the way the obstacles are set up out there i think. I am going to TRY to be flat bottom before this trip though.

We will see.

00regcab

01-11-2009, 03:31 PM

Definitely more time. 8 days is a bit much for me. After four 12-hour days I was pooped. Enjoy your youth :D

I gotta take advantage of it, while I have it! Seems like every day just goes by faster and faster :(

AxleIke

01-11-2009, 05:12 PM

Gerdo

01-11-2009, 07:21 PM

You will be amazed what a "stock" Toyota wil be able to do. Mine is far from radical and do allot.

fjcruzer

01-11-2009, 08:16 PM

I gotta take advantage of it, while I have it! Seems like every day just goes by faster and faster :(

Don't worry, they'll slow down and you get to really enjoy them... in a hotel with a nice shower :xbeer1:

I wouldn't mind that many days, but some alternate activities to break up the wheel time would be nice. Perhaps I'll rebuild the MTB and buy a new pair of hiking boots! I'm looking for some expedition time this year also. Obstacles are great and I can't get enough of them, but me and the rig can only take so much wear and tear :rolleyes:

Jacket

01-11-2009, 08:38 PM

I'm looking for some expedition time this year also. Obstacles are great and I can't get enough of them, but me and the rig can only take so much wear and tear :rolleyes:

I'm with ya there.

dr350jja

01-11-2009, 08:48 PM

I gotta take advantage of it, while I have it! Seems like every day just goes by faster and faster :(

...ain't that the truth. :D

ike

01-11-2009, 09:30 PM

Dont know Nate, my skids were damn near perfect until moab. That trip pushed me to purchase some bud builts.

ike

01-11-2009, 09:31 PM

I would be down for a few days of hiking while we are out there. Also really love mountain biking, but that is just another large item for me to carry around that i dont know if i want to deal with.

Quick Draw

01-11-2009, 09:34 PM

I would be down for a few days of hiking while we are out there. Also really love mountain biking, but that is just another large item for me to carry around that i dont know if i want to deal with.

If you bring yours' I'll bring mine...:) But honestly, mountain biking in Moab is a mother fucker if you're not in tip top shape. I'm more inclined to bring the bikes with motors. But yet again, large item...would need to be chained up at the campsite while we're on the trail...

RedRunnertc

01-11-2009, 09:39 PM

There's more to do in Moab than just 'wheeling ... would be awesome if we could get Molly's parents' raft and float down river one day...

fjcruzer

01-11-2009, 09:48 PM

I'm with ya there.

I was hoping...

I would be down for a few days of hiking while we are out there. Also really love mountain biking, but that is just another large item for me to carry around that i dont know if i want to deal with.

Note the large roof rack:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/fjcruzer123/03-08%20arb%20rack/arbrack005.jpg

There's more to do in Moab than just 'wheeling ... would be awesome if we could get Molly's parents' raft and float down river one day...

:bhump:

ike

01-11-2009, 09:52 PM

Could get it there no problem, but then storage is an issue. Dont trust people, but if you have a hotel room:rolleyes:

Almost prefer hiking though. Lets you take more of the scenery in.:2cents:

ike

01-11-2009, 09:53 PM

And Kyle, there are tons of trails you dont have to be in great shape for, though those are not usually the ones on my list when i head out there.

Quick Draw

01-11-2009, 10:00 PM

And Kyle, there are tons of trails you dont have to be in great shape for, though those are not usually the ones on my list when i head out there.

My friend Evan and I...who will most likely be accompanying me to Moab...used to ride up Chimney gulch twice a week in the summer. Chimney Gulch is essentially the dirt path that goes straight up Lookout Mountain from Golden. So I used to be in really good biking shape...that and I worked at a bike shop...and all that good stuff. But my knee injury kind of killed that. We were kind of planning on bringing dirt bikes even if it means taking a second truck out there. Maybe Evan and I will bring MTBs instead, and secretly be wishing they had motors all along...:D

RedRunnertc

01-11-2009, 10:35 PM

Hikiing just pisses me off these days ... I just keep thinking that in the truck or MTB I'd be there by now...

00regcab

01-12-2009, 12:22 AM

Hikiing just pisses me off these days ... I just keep thinking that in the truck or MTB I'd be there by now...

Thats always been my outlook on it.

We dont have to wheel EVERYDAY. I like troys idea of floating the river one day. Get some tire tubes, and some string, a cooler of beer and just veg in the water all day floating along all tied together :p

Isaac, I'm just trying to keep you on your tippy-toes buddy. Gotta stay one step ahead of you, so you're always getting frustrated on the trail :rofl: :p

Ike, i dont know what the deal was with you bashing your skids all of the time. I didnt hardly hit my skids either time i was in moab.

ike

01-12-2009, 04:36 AM

Dont know either, like i said, mine were damn near untouched before that trip.

Troy, sometimes the best part is not the part you are getting there to. You would be amazed at what you miss when you are in a vehicle that you see when on foot.

Kyle, have you riden mt falcon? great trail for getting yourself in shape. One summer I spend in Vail. Every day i would rider to the top of the mountain instead of paying for the lift. Definately not able to do that anymore.

RedRunnertc

01-12-2009, 08:28 AM

Troy, sometimes the best part is not the part you are getting there to. You would be amazed at what you miss when you are in a vehicle that you see when on foot.

Yeah, that just doesn't fit with my results-oriented personality

devinsixtyseven

01-12-2009, 08:30 AM

If a few people want to take a float trip down the CO, we could meet you at one of the remote bottoms...Millard, Spanish, or something along White Rim...cuz you know I (and probably a few others) can make it out and back in an awful hurry. Bring a handheld 2m (with some water wings) and we can probably keep contact, at least when we're near the river, maybe the entire time if you guys can hit a repeater...maybe...since the canyon is pretty deep.

I'm also interested in doing a 2-3 day overland style route, or driving somewhere & doing something. Ruin Park, Beef Basin, Cathedral Point, Horseshoe Canyon, something like that. Poison Spring (Maze area) might be interesting since it's usually listed as "impassable".

We will be bringing hiking boots and all the usual gear...just sorta comes with the territory for us...but probably not MTBs since it's more stuff to store, carry, secure etc.

-Sean

AxleIke

01-12-2009, 10:28 AM

Isaac, I'm just trying to keep you on your tippy-toes buddy. Gotta stay one step ahead of you, so you're always getting frustrated on the trail :rofl: :p

I don't usually get frustrated. I was only frustrated with my budbuilt because it hung lower than my gas tank. Don't like spending money on something, and then having it be worse than it was before. Now, I don't really care who goes where on the trail. Usually just concern myself with me and mine.

dirtyXplorer

01-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Rafting or tubing would be sweet. This trip is starting to sound pretty epic:)

00regcab

01-12-2009, 12:20 PM

I don't usually get frustrated. I was only frustrated with my budbuilt because it hung lower than my gas tank. Don't like spending money on something, and then having it be worse than it was before. Now, I don't really care who goes where on the trail. Usually just concern myself with me and mine.

Completely understandable, i was just giving you a hard time ;)

Id be up for some LIGHT hiking, not anything full-day style. And i'll have to pass on any overland style trips people get in on.

devinsixtyseven

01-12-2009, 02:00 PM

Id be up for some LIGHT hikingThat's what most of it is...drive somewhere, jump out and wander around for a while...hour tops sorta stuff unless anybody wants a day hike...I got plenty ideas for that too...tho we may be all hiked out after this weekend since that's our plan vs riding or driving.

ike

01-12-2009, 02:51 PM

Love the hike to Druid arch if anyone would be interested.

AxleIke

01-12-2009, 03:07 PM

Completely understandable, i was just giving you a hard time ;)

Id be up for some LIGHT hiking, not anything full-day style. And i'll have to pass on any overland style trips people get in on.

I know it. Wasn't taking issue with it at all. I like give you a hard time too. Its all good.

Just wanted to put it out there that I'm usually not a sourpuss like I was this last season.

devinsixtyseven

01-12-2009, 04:25 PM

Love the hike to Druid arch if anyone would be interested.That's not at all on the "easy" list. Did it last year around end of may/beginning of June.

Fucking death march if you get at all a late start. At least if you want to do it with a mid morning start, pick a different season. If we hadn't been thoroughly prepared it would have been rather uncomfortable. Long slog through sandy wash, complete exposure, deep canyon, direct sun. At the end you'll be stopping in the shade til the swelling goes down in your fingers, and your body processes the cold water you're swilling.

Would've been much better had we started earlier.

Joint trail is a good short hike, tho.

I will only hike Druid again with an ass-early start. There are many other hikes with better temperatures and more shade to be done during that season, if you guys are interested.