Why a rear tire carrier?

[Cobra_R]

A rear tire carrier is something that I would really like to buy, but I'm having trouble justifying the cost. What exactly is the purpose of a rear tire carrier outside of protection (if its part of a bumper as well) and getting the tire out from underneath the truck? Many expo tacomas that I've seen have a rear tire carrier, but also run 33 inch tires. From what I've read, 33 inch tires will fit in the stock spare tire mounting location, so why not keep the tire underneath in the stock location if it'll fit (assuming it does)? Is thier a need to bring the tire up from underneath the truck?

An alternative I was looking at was mounting a roof rack on my can-back and putting the spare tire up there along with tools and what not, but even that is going to be pretty close to the price of buying a rear tire carrier, depending on the type of rack that is bought.

[RSTed1000]

Not saying they all do, but it would certainly provide for a good spot to locate an aux fuel tank where the spare originally mounted.

[TEJASYOTA]

My reasons...to buy CBI's Rear Bumper Tail Gate Carrier.

1) Coolness factor!
2) Free up space on the underside for that extra gas tank - one day
3) Free up bed space, so I do not need to carry my spare in the bed or my Hi-Lift
That is all I can think of right now.

The bad
1) Cost
2) Added weight to the rear
3) Need beefer leaf springs to counter act the leverage/weight of the tire-bumper combo.

Would I do it again - - YES!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z178/z3power/Yota%20Bumper/Hi-lift%20mod/HiLiftMount3.jpg

[Stealth 4x4]

Another reason to consider pulling the spare from the factory location is that a lot of guys run wider that stock tires, and a big, wide tire (say a 33 12.5) mounted in the factory location is hell on your departure angle. So the spare would drag on obstacles if you didn't relocate it.

My 255 85 spare fits under there (with minor modification to the guides) and since it's a fairly narrow 33-inch tire it still doesn't stick down too far for my taste. But that may change one day if I get pickier about it over time.

[ike]

Mostly for looks and to save space.

[lilrasz]

i was going to go with a tire swinger, but didn't like that it would create a new blind spot. i built a mount in the bed for mine. it rides in a current blind spot and i live it. plus i have plans for a spare parts box to go under the bed in the stock spare tire location.

[Cobra_R]

Yea they do look badass, and they are convenient way to store your spare, hilift etc...those are the reasons I want to buy one, but $1000 plus the frame reinforcing that is needed is to much...at least for right now, but definately hope to buy one in the future. I was looking at tiregate products to but I don't know how reliable those are going to be. I'm working on a way to mount my spare in my bed and eventually a hilift and other things right now until I can get enough money for a rear tire carrier.

[tacoma.22]

i was able to fit a 34 inch tire under there but i was wheeling with it one day and the crank broke on me and left the tire in the middle of a mud pit. so thats why i went with mine.

[4307]

Depending the design, or, if your build (for those that choose this route), the tire carrier can add additional security if you have a truck bed cap, (providing you add a lock of some sort.. i.e. pad lock to the tire gate) by locking the gate thieves have a harder time gaining access to the tail gate.

Took this from my build thread....

Rear Tire Gate Design Idea.....

I'm having some fun coming up with a tire gate design.
I did a little Photoshop work, nothing spectacular, just something to get the point across. I wish I had some CAD software, but Photoshop was quick and simple for me.

Anyway.... This design incorporates a caged in spare tire design. The tire is mounted with the back of the wheel facing out, with the gate closed, for security and due partly to the cage design. The cage also acts like a cradle, to accommodate a 33'' tire and a 35'' tire. The tire post will be height adjustable. The outside of the cage will give me a good place to mount the license plate and spot light.

The cage would be fabricated out of 1'' x 2'' rectangular gusseted tube.

The gate is roughly 12'' in height, length is currently unknown.

I want to build a a gate with double barrel hinges welded to a reinforced gusset / bed side protection incorporated tower. This design gives greater strength, getting away from a single spindle hinge design, that has the potential to shear and bounce.

The double Barrel hinge will allow me to remove the swing out gate if I want.
Here is the barrel hinge I'm thinking of using....

http://www.hingesandhardware.com/weld_on_barrel_hinges.html

I still have to do the math to come up with a rough weight figure.
I'm not set on this design, I have a couple more to consider. I may actually skip the idea of a swing out gate.

The first image, the gate height is a taller gate design, where the top of the cage cross bar is bisecting the wheels center. Same basic design as the second image....

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2566/bumpertiregatekz7.gif

The second image is a shorter version designed to save a little weight. The wheel mounting post would be easy to incorporate a adjustable height, if I bump the tire size up to 35". The cage width would be built to the specs of a 35 x 12.5'' but still cradle the 33'' tire ....

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9643/3dtiregatepl2.gif



Another reason (for me at least), depending on your regional wheeling destinations, expedition trucks 'wheel' in every condition and diverse regions. For this reason trying to dig out a spare from under the truck, in deep snow or mud, sand, water can be tricky and cause unnecessary exposure.

Another consideration... depending on the expedition style trip, remote destinations may require you to carry multiple spares... one in the stock location (if the space isn't inhabited by a long range secondary fuel tank, storage box, ext..) one or two, on the swing out ( 2..if you run smaller diameter tires (rare on Tacoma's, more common on international Land Cruisers). Spares have been mounted on roof racks, for long range trips. The problem with mounting on the roof rack is 'center of gravity' it's a lot of weight to put on top of the truck.

Having a swing-out, gives you the extra room to mount a Hi-Lift, shovel, Jerry Cans for fuel and or water, ammo cans for storing recovery gear. A few builds have also incorporated a fold down table big enough for a Coleman stove.
CB whips have also been mounted on the gates, spot lights, license plates, rear view camera (eliminating the blind spot caused by the spare),
I'm sure someone has tried to incorporate the kitchen sink as well... Oh! that reminds me... there was a article in Australian 4wd had a fold down shower incorporated into the spare swing-out gate. Bling bling eh? Not a bad idea for expedition types.

[Willman]

4307^^^^

:clap:


Love my tire carrier! Saves space for a future fuel or water tank......

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f374/nicwillman/Rear%20Bumper%20Buildup/DSC05874.jpg

Plus.....It's a hell of a lot easyer to swap-out a tire if you have a problem!...You don't have to mess with the tools trying to get the tire to lower.....


If cost is a problem and you have welding skills or have a friend that does....Build your own!......Great winter project!:saw:

:welder:

[Mr Tacomi]

So, somehow a blingy tire carrier is o.k., but a snorkle or engel fridge isn't... got it :kewl: This is a most interesting forum indeed!

[stikkimikki87]

fridge on the trail = pimpness :)

[Cobra_R]

I do have friends that can weld, but they don't really have any fabrication experience so I don't really think they'd be able to make a decent rear tire carrier. I'd like to learn to weld myself then I could try making one myself. I could have a shop make one, but that would probably cost just as much as buying one from say demello. Something to save for I guess right? haha

[02tacotoy]

willman-
tejasyota-

did you notice a severe mpg decrease with this set up?

[TEJASYOTA]

I have not done a long distance trip with her (500 miles in one direction).
I know that within the city and highway (less than 100 miles one way), it did not make a difference.

Willman, will be able to answer better.

[fire931]

i deff. second or third or whatever the fact that nobody wants to lay down in the mud or rocks and have to drag a spare out from underneath the truck. thats the main reason i put mine on the back. it also free'd up some much needed space to locate an air tank under there.

[devinsixtyseven]

-Easier to reach the spare

-Opens the space for dual batteries, compressor, air tank, etc...personally I wouldn't put a variable weight back there (fluid), because it will affect handling more, but that's not to say you can't.

-Our trucks are so front-heavy, it helps even out the weigh distribution

-Gets stuff off the roof. Don't put anything other than clothes, bedding, bikes, kayaks on the roof if you can possibly help it...if you have a truck (ie a bed), IMHO there's no reason, ever, to put your spare tire, fuel or water on the roof. Everything on the swingout frees space in the bed for all that Larry of Arabia shit that was stacked on the roof.

-Provides a way to mount odd-shaped items like CO2 tank, HiLift, shovel, band saw, axe, that otherwise take up too much volume or end up hard to access when stored in the bed.

-Snorkels are debatable. An Engel can be mounted in the bed, in the volume where you had the spare tire, CO2 tank, HiLift and shovel :xpimp:.

[GMAK]

heres mine:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/gmakattack/008.jpg

[Rylee_xxx]

im selling my rear pre runner style tire carrier, for dirt cheap.

looks and functions semi like a tire gate.

holds up to a 33.

check out the classifides.

[Ebruddah]

im selling my rear pre runner style tire carrier, for dirt cheap.

looks and functions semi like a tire gate.

holds up to a 33.

check out the classifides.

Would probably sell faster if you put up a link...

[Bloo]

-Easier to reach the spare

-Opens the space for dual batteries, compressor, air tank, etc...personally I wouldn't put a variable weight back there (fluid), because it will affect handling more, but that's not to say you can't.

-Our trucks are so front-heavy, it helps even out the weigh distribution

-Gets stuff off the roof. Don't put anything other than clothes, bedding, bikes, kayaks on the roof if you can possibly help it...if you have a truck (ie a bed), IMHO there's no reason, ever, to put your spare tire, fuel or water on the roof. Everything on the swingout frees space in the bed for all that Larry of Arabia shit that was stacked on the roof.

-Provides a way to mount odd-shaped items like CO2 tank, HiLift, shovel, band saw, axe, that otherwise take up too much volume or end up hard to access when stored in the bed.

-Snorkels are debatable. An Engel can be mounted in the bed, in the volume where you had the spare tire, CO2 tank, HiLift and shovel :xpimp:.

I trademarked "Larry of Arabia" - I'll put that on your tab - the first one was a courtesy. Where's the love? I thought you liked my "nice rack?"

This gives me an idea - a rear tire carrier WITH a snorkel and Engel fridge...:doh:

[devinsixtyseven]

I trademarked "Larry of Arabia" - I'll put that on your tab - the first one was a courtesy. Where's the love? I thought you liked my "nice rack?"You did come up with that one :xsmokin1:...I'm still cracking up over it :lmao:!

You're gonna have to post a picture of your rack again. If you don't have a pic handy, feel free to post someone else's rack, like on the Friday thread :xpimp:.

[Rylee_xxx]

Would probably sell faster if you put up a link...

lazy...

[SAR_Squid79]

What exactly is the purpose of a rear tire carrier outside of protection (if its part of a bumper as well) and getting the tire out from underneath the truck?

For me - better ground clearance when there is no tire under the truck, but more importantly when I'm WAAAYYY out in the back country or pulling my trailer I can carry 2 full-size spare tires. 1 in the stock location, and 1 on the tire carrier.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/5319/rearbumper4ek6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[KRYPTO(dale)]

some of those work great for the little 35's....
but what about bigger tires? i still wanna see out the back window.
perhaps im gonna need a backup camera system?

[TacoCrazy]

some of those work great for the little 35's....
but what about bigger tires? i still wanna see out the back window.
perhaps im gonna need a backup camera system?

That's the thing for me as well, if you really wheel your truck you need to see behind you without a spare tire in the way. There is NO way I could deal with it blocking my view. :2cents:

[fire931]

i run the tiregate prerunner style carrier. it carries the tire at an angle. makes the view only slightly worse that a tailgate. of course that's with a 33 on it.

[4307]

Typically expedition types run 33's or smaller, thats the norm in expo portal land. better for highway and long distance travel... road manners.

the back up camera is a must in my comic book, which is worth :2cents:

[ocdropzone]

the back up camera is a must in my comic book, which is worth :2cents:
agreed...just need to install it.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/ocdropzone/006-3.jpg

[Willman]

willman-
tejasyota-

did you notice a severe mpg decrease with this set up?

Not really.....She is a heavy pig!....bumpers, sliders, tires, fridge, exrta battery, and all my camping gear plus the trailer = 13 - 16 mpg depending on the area...

Yesterday....I did a day run.....got around 17 mpg with the only some gear in the back......It was a overland route.....high speeds on dirt road. Great time!

:cool:

[AustinTaco]

On my 4runner, I wanted to build a rear tire carrier, but I decided to keep it tucked and strapped up to the rollbar. If I need the extra room for gear, I can always put a hitch mounted carrier on the bumper and put some gear in there, but it hasn't been an issue yet.
It's kind of a pain to take it out if my girlfriend goes wheeling and we decide to sleep in the back of the 4runner, but I have to unload all of my gear anyway, so its only a few extra minutes.

This is on my 1st generation, not my Tacoma.

[MERCER FABRICATION]

tire carriers are too damn heavy for tacomas. i had one on my bumper and took it off and cut it up soon after. still need to modify the bumper or build a new carrier for it and sell it.you can really feel the weight way back there. and it takes a toll on your springs and frame. my tire is going to stay in the bed from now on and im just going to have to pack smarter for camping and longer range trips.i ended up having so much extra room that i didnt need that it was hard to situate my gear in the bed securley with all the dead space:2cents:

[TacoDell]

tire carriers are too damn heavy for tacomas. i had one on my bumper and took it off and cut it up soon after. still need to modify the bumper or build a new carrier for it and sell it.you can really feel the weight way back there. and it takes a toll on your springs and frame. my tire is going to stay in the bed from now on and im just going to have to pack smarter for camping and longer range trips.i ended up having so much extra room that i didnt need that it was hard to situate my gear in the bed securley with all the dead space:2cents:


a complimentary pic of that thing... :D

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Jeremy%20n%20Dell%20at%20San%20Jacinto/JnDatSJ15.jpg

ah shit... that ain't no good...










maybe this one ?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Jeremy%20n%20Dell%20at%20San%20Jacinto/JnDatSJ30.jpg

[hoist00]

Just to let people know you can fit at least a 35x12.5 tire in the stock location with only minor mods. Thats were mine is but I do agree that it can be in the way a bit when wheeling because of it cutting down your deparcher angle.

[Bloo]

Roger that - and it really screws up you departure angle, too.:D

[Bloo]

a complimentary pic of that thing... :D

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Jeremy%20n%20Dell%20at%20San%20Jacinto/JnDatSJ15.jpg

ah shit... that ain't no good...










maybe this one ?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Jeremy%20n%20Dell%20at%20San%20Jacinto/JnDatSJ30.jpg

:eek:See -- that damn rear tire carrier just sucked him into that stream then tossed him into that rut. Thanks -- I'm convinced that those rear tire carriers are evil now.;)

Thanks Taco Dell!:rolleyes:

[TacoDell]

Thanks Taco Dell!:rolleyes:

Guess yer trying to say I was of no help ?

Aw'rite...

here's my :2cents:

Unless you box the rear frame rails on the Tacoma...
I wouldn't put any more weight then a baby stroller (exaggerating a little) in the bed rearward of the rear axle...
Because '95 - '04 Tacoma rear frame rails are weak pieces of crap...
and will bend, crack or simply tweak from that weight and wheelin'
Even the scabbed on support plating is not enough...

Of nearly every Tacoma that I have looked at (even without this added weight) has bent, cracked or tweaked rear frame rails...
The exceptions being a mall crawler or mom and dads grocery getter...

And yes... my rear frame rails are tweaked even with the scabbed on plating and I store my 33" in the bed right above the axle... but that didn't eliminate the problem... it just keeps it from cracking...

that is all...

better ?

[Mr Tacomi]

Just to let people know you can fit at least a 35x12.5 tire in the stock location with only minor mods. Thats were mine is but I do agree that it can be in the way a bit when wheeling because of it cutting down your deparcher angle.

I had my 37" spare under there a few days ago, and with a relocation of the hoist to the right and back a bit (and having previously prepared the exhaust for a large tire) and removal of the OE spare locating bars, it will fit nicely.. will probably mike a light duty skid so that the tire won't take a bunch of abuse as I drop off ledges. Currently have my 35" spare under there with a strap to pull it to the right rear as the hoise has a small offset to the left.

[SilverSeven]

i went with the inbed CBI version for the same reason presented.. i did not want all that wait hanging off the back.

even with the setup im going wtih, i expect to have to add a leaf

[Bloo]

Guess yer trying to say I was of no help?

Not at all Taco Dell. I think your posts are great - packed with no nonsense facts and experience. :clap: I pay attention to your comments.

I was amused by the 2 pics you chose - the first with the ass-end of the truck in the water and the other in a gulley. Makes it appear that the rear tire carrier is pulling you back... which really is the point. Every modification has a consequence and some not favorable like weight distribution changes, frame fatigue, etc. Your elaboration on the topic makes it even more clear.

I especially appreciate the patience, sensitivity, and diplomacy you extend to some of the more challenged, novice wheelers on the internet. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you were the inspiration for R. Lee Ermey's characterization of the Marine DI in "Full Metal Jacket.":kewl:

[MERCER FABRICATION]

Not at all Taco Dell. I think your posts are great - packed with no nonsense facts and experience. :clap: I pay attention to your comments.

I was amused by the 2 pics you chose - the first with the ass-end of the truck in the water and the other in a gulley. Makes it appear that the rear tire carrier is pulling you back... which really is the point. Every modification has a consequence and some not favorable like weight distribution changes, frame fatigue, etc. Your elaboration on the topic makes it even more clear.

I especially appreciate the patience, sensitivity, and diplomacy you extend to some of the more challenged, novice wheelers on the internet. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you were the inspiration for R. Lee Ermey's characterization of the Marine DI in "Full Metal Jacket.":kewl:

not quite... i meant to drive into that stuff... that rut was pretty fun.

[TacoDell]

Not at all Taco Dell. I think your posts are great - packed with no nonsense facts and experience. :clap: I pay attention to your comments.
Well... just keep yer head about you and get some thick skin and a sense of humor...
'cause I'm more likely perceived as a prick

I was amused by the 2 pics you chose - the first with the ass-end of the truck in the water and the other in a gulley. Makes it appear that the rear tire carrier is pulling you back... which really is the point. Every modification has a consequence and some not favorable like weight distribution changes, frame fatigue, etc. Your elaboration on the topic makes it even more clear.
I thought those pics might deliver that sinking feeling...
But reality is far from fact... see Jeremy's (Badmoon...) before this one ^^ ...

I especially appreciate the patience, sensitivity, and diplomacy you extend to some of the more challenged, novice wheelers on the internet. :rolleyes:
Now that's a crock of shit... I have none of that... LoL
On the trail... it is a different thing

Perhaps you were the inspiration for R. Lee Ermey's characterization of the Marine DI in "Full Metal Jacket.":kewl:
I'm getting old and don't keep up with the times... who the shit is that ?

not quite... i meant to drive into that stuff... that rut was pretty fun.
you did... as a matter of fact... I saw you ;)

[Bloo]

[QUOTE=TacoDell;1539450]
I'm getting old and don't keep up with the times... who the shit is that?
[QUOTE]

YOU have got to be shitting ME - you have never seen this movie (1987)? WTF?:eek:

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp22/TangoBlue/fullmetal.jpg

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp22/TangoBlue/GySgtHartmann.jpg
"Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy fucking walrus-looking piece of shit! Get the fuck off of my obstacle! Get the fuck down off of my obstacle! NOW! MOVE IT! Or I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you, Private Pyle, IF IT SHORT-DICKS EVERY CANNIBAL ON THE CONGO!"

No - TacoDell would NEVER say anything like that on the trail.:D

[01 Double Cab]

My reasons...to buy CBI's Rear Bumper Tail Gate Carrier.

1) Coolness factor!
2) Free up space on the underside for that extra gas tank - one day
3) Free up bed space, so I do not need to carry my spare in the bed or my Hi-Lift
That is all I can think of right now.

The bad
1) Cost
2) Added weight to the rear
3) Need beefer leaf springs to counter act the leverage/weight of the tire-bumper combo.

Would I do it again - - YES!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z178/z3power/Yota%20Bumper/Hi-lift%20mod/HiLiftMount3.jpg

Can you buy that set up without destroying the resale value of your truck by defacing the quarter panels?

[CYi5]

Can you buy that set up without destroying the resale value of your truck by defacing the quarter panels?

Sure, just opt for the wrap around quarter panel protection.

[01 Double Cab]

Sure, just opt for the wrap around quarter panel protection.

I noticed CBI's website is a bit lacking, no prices etc. What does that set up run?

[flyingwil]

For me it was multi-fold.

Moving the spare tire up, gave me the following:

added room underneith for auxfuel / water
ability to relocate the upper shock mounts
rearview camera mounting
instant Jerry can mount
increased departure angle
no more dragging the rear hitch
instant camp table
got the hi-lift of of the bed
axe/shovel mount
rear recovery points
basically gave me "rear sliders"


Here is my CBI rear, I'm sure Steve and his gang could make one where you do not cut your rear quaters with no problem!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SMW-kyy-1tI/AAAAAAAADGI/t19f7BFF5Fg/s800/wil%2024.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SUxzvVhjn0I/AAAAAAAAEc8/TkFrs5UjtL8/s800/DSC00957.JPG

[01 Double Cab]

For me it was multi-fold.

Moving the spare tire up, gave me the following:

added room underneith for auxfuel / water
ability to relocate the upper shock mounts
rearview camera mounting
instant Jerry can mount
increased departure angle
no more dragging the rear hitch
instant camp table
got the hi-lift of of the bed
axe/shovel mount
rear recovery points
basically gave me "rear sliders"


Here is my CBI rear, I'm sure Steve and his gang could make one where you do not cut your rear quaters with no problem!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SMW-kyy-1tI/AAAAAAAADGI/t19f7BFF5Fg/s800/wil%2024.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SUxzvVhjn0I/AAAAAAAAEc8/TkFrs5UjtL8/s800/DSC00957.JPG

What did that cost you if you don't mind me asking?

[Cobra_R]

For me it was multi-fold.

Moving the spare tire up, gave me the following:

added room underneith for auxfuel / water
ability to relocate the upper shock mounts
rearview camera mounting
instant Jerry can mount
increased departure angle
no more dragging the rear hitch
instant camp table
got the hi-lift of of the bed
axe/shovel mount
rear recovery points
basically gave me "rear sliders"


Here is my CBI rear, I'm sure Steve and his gang could make one where you do not cut your rear quaters with no problem!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SMW-kyy-1tI/AAAAAAAADGI/t19f7BFF5Fg/s800/wil%2024.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SUxzvVhjn0I/AAAAAAAAEc8/TkFrs5UjtL8/s800/DSC00957.JPG

Great looking rear tire carrier!! Makes me want to buy one, but they're so expensive. :(

[Rattler]

I just had one added to my All Pro rear bumper. A local fabber did it, http://www.ironmanoffroad.com/ I believe o1tundra met him at Rocks & valleys while he was on the Ultimate Adventure. Pat came up with it after I showed him a few other basic designs I liked. He did and excellent job on it. I got the swivel from rockstomper.com. I went over it with Carquest's equivilent to POR15. I really don't care for the finish but the salesman said it will start dulling in no time. If it doesn't, I will be hitting it with a semi-gloss clear.

There is room for a Hi-Lift and jerry can mounts in the future too. I plan to add a Softtopper next year. My suspension guy is going to add a pair of Chevy springs to it to help with the weight Thrs. hopefully.

My big reason was to get the spare out of the bed. I had it on the roofrack but it made a lot of noise up there. We take several camping trips a year and definitely need the cargo room.

I probably have @ $225 total into it.

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/TireCarrier1-1.jpg

[Taco Eric]

Don't mean the Thread jack, But...
What are some comments on blindspots with the Swingouts?

[Rattler]

So far, they have to be pretty damn-close if they don't want me to see them but noone has escaped my rearward vision yet. I am '6"5 though so I don't have a hard time seeing back there.

I can snap a pic looking back from the inside if you want.

[Taco Eric]

So far, they have to be pretty damn-close if they don't want me to see them but noone has escaped my rearward vision yet. I am '6"5 though so I don't have a hard time seeing back there.

I can snap a pic looking back from the inside if you want.

Sure, That would be cool. I'm 5'9.. and a 1/2".
I had a cj but the tire is so close to you that it didn't matter it was in the middle.

[Jomentum]

1. cause I bobbed my bed
2. 36x14.50's wont fit under there
3. cause I bobbed my bed
4. leaves more room in the bed for a keg

[pray4surf]

4. leaves more room in the bed for a keg

Now a thinking man woulda listed that #1 :rofl:

[Jomentum]

Now a drinking man woulda listed that #1 :rofl:

Yeah.......Maybe I'll get one of those Fuel cell/tool boxes and make it into a Kegerator :saw:

[louis]

could you say driving under the influence?? lol
No..Sr..... I.m nAwT.. dRiNKiNg,,,,,,, An no thats not a KEg.

[luni]

http://offroadpakistan.com/blog/images/2005/jeep_gladiator2.JPG

Yea, it's not a Yota but has anyone looked into bed-side mounting? It'd be easy with a custom bed and not to hard if you were willing to cut the bed/bed sides. I bet it would fit in front of the wheel well with a little fab work.

[SAR_Squid79]

That would be awesome! Then you could carry 4 spare tires!

1 on each side, 1 in the stock location, and 1 on the rear tire carrier of your choice!

Now THAT'S expeditionary!!!

[OldSven]

Just because they are cool:D

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f294/OldSven/4Runner/IMG_0946.jpg

[Rattler]

Here are a couple pics I snapped from the inside looking out.

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/SDC12152.jpg
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/SDC12153.jpg

[treehugger]

that does leave a little bit of a blind spot eh?

i carry my spare in the bed, and built it into my platform bed that i use for camping. that was to make room for an air tank underneath, but i think i may move the tire back to stock position and put the air tank in the bed (takes up less room). the swing out tire carrier just seems like too much weight too far back for my liking. plus i use my truck to haul stuff and it would be a pain to have to swing the tire out and then put the tail gate down every time i wanted to load fertilizer or firewood.

[Rattler]

that does leave a little bit of a blind spot eh?

i carry my spare in the bed, and built it into my platform bed that i use for camping. that was to make room for an air tank underneath, but i think i may move the tire back to stock position and put the air tank in the bed (takes up less room). the swing out tire carrier just seems like too much weight too far back for my liking. plus i use my truck to haul stuff and it would be a pain to have to swing the tire out and then put the tail gate down every time i wanted to load fertilizer or firewood.

Yea, there is a pretty good blind spot but I have gotten used to it. I do have to watch where I park if I know I will be getting into the back too due to the tonneau cover. I use my bed quite frequently too but a lot of the time I can get in pretty quick from practice. I can just unsnap a corner on the cover sometimes too.

[Timber5086]

So you can use one of these!

http://www.trasharoo.com

Really cool product.

[Rattler]

So you can use one of these!

http://www.trasharoo.com

Really cool product.

I like it! Seeing I tend to pick up a lot of trash while trailriding it would be nice instead of having to dig it all out of the box later on. Plus Seirra Expeditions :headbang:

[manhunter]

In response to the original question on the thread, I removed my spare from underneath so give me more clearance. Sometimes when I would go up a steep hill, the rear would rub my spare a little when I would go from a decline to an incline. When I removed it, which is the original spare and probably has never been dropped, it had burn marks on it, I assume from the exhaust, but is still useable. I installed a roof rack and re-located it there, which you can see in my avatar.

[manhunter]

This shows it a little better.

[SAR_Squid79]

Because with a rear tire carrier, you can be as cool as me and get one of these:
http://www.trasharoo.com

[drabnor]

Because with a rear tire carrier, you can be as cool as me and get one of these:
http://www.trasharoo.com

for 50 bucks plus shipping? good idea but ill bet you could buy 3 or 4 cheap backpacks at wallyworld and they would work just as good...

[purity]

http://offroadpakistan.com/blog/images/2005/jeep_gladiator2.JPG

Yea, it's not a Yota but has anyone looked into bed-side mounting? It'd be easy with a custom bed and not to hard if you were willing to cut the bed/bed sides. I bet it would fit in front of the wheel well with a little fab work.mine is mounted inside the bed on the bedcage. i love it there, super easy to access and takes up very little bed space since its mounted vertically. i got used to the blind spot pretty quick.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/purity82/Spring%20Creek/springcreekmay200834.jpg

[prezidentredz]

Or you could do something like this.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Redz%20BAMF%20Build/IMGP3175.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Redz%20BAMF%20Build/?action=view&current=IMGP3175.jpg)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Redz%20BAMF%20Build/IMGP3172.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Redz%20BAMF%20Build/?action=view&current=IMGP3172.jpg)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Big%20Dogs%20Ice%20Breaker%2009/bigdogs09077.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Big%20Dogs%20Ice%20Breaker%2009/?action=view&current=bigdogs09077.jpg)

[pray4surf]

The carrier that this guy (Sparky) had made is pretty sweet also

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1862042&postcount=2060

[goofballtech]

No blind spots here! :rolleyes:

Or you could do something like this.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Redz%20BAMF%20Build/IMGP3175.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/PrezidentRedz/Redz%20BAMF%20Build/?action=view&current=IMGP3175.jpg)



I was planning on doing it because i am going to bob the bed... so unless i want half a spare tire....

[prezidentredz]

No blind spots here! :rolleyes:



I was planning on doing it because i am going to bob the bed... so unless i want half a spare tire....

It works for me, I dont need a rear view mirror.. and it also blocks bright lights behind me...:welder:

[BLACKHAWK250]

Or if u want it to work with 35's no problem and not affect your visability and for it to be cheap you could make something very simple yet effective, pluss its locked up so no theft problem, it drills right threw stock mount, not to mention its easy access out on the trails:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb220/BLACKHAWK250/tirecarrier.jpg

[Payne86]

Somthing I have been wanting to do for a while. I had a swing out but didn't like it so built this tire gate. Taken it out a few times with no problems. I don't care about visibility.
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww220/apayne82/Wheeling/AZ%20Rocks%202010/P1060337.jpg

[MERCER FABRICATION]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/5986s/fearless%20folly%2007/fearlessfolly07044.jpg


i never did get around to adding the jerry can mounts..... oh well

[20094x4i4taco]

the tailgate replacement rear tire carrier is probably the simplest way to go
Right? for a 2009

[20094x4i4taco]

especially if you have a reg cab are tryn to fit alot of gear back ther

[pdopy3]

i run the tiregate prerunner style carrier. it carries the tire at an angle. makes the view only slightly worse that a tailgate. of course that's with a 33 on it.

Something like this?

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh36/pdopy3/2010-04-21192907.jpg

[Gerdo]

Why a rear tire carrier?

So it's not under reducing the departure angle. And so it's not inside reducing cargo/sleeping area.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i115/Gerdo_2006/4runner/tirecarrier.jpg

[rsbmg]

I know this is an old thread but it seems the two concerns about a bumper mounted tire carrier are 1. visibility, which really shouldnt be an issue, thats why you have two side view mirrors. People drive vans, box trucks and 18 wheelers everyday without being able to see out of a rear window. What do you need to see out the back? If that is a huge concern get a backup camera.

2. Is the weight on the rear of the vehicle, but the tire is really not much farther than the stock location. I don't have a rear tire carrier so those who have one would obviously know better but do you seriously notice a huge difference in the two mounting locations?

I think the increased departure angle or the usable space would be pretty big positives.

[Teryx]

Spare tires are just an unfortunate fact of life. Usually they are put where they cause the least headaches. There are plenty of good reasons to use a rear carrier. For one thing you can always get to the tire. If you get tangled up in something that pops a bead or slashes a sidewall, the truck doesn't go down sitting on the spare.

Many guys are running tires that won't fit underneath anyway. The rear carrier is mounted higher and the carrier itself has to be built pretty strong so you have both the weight of the tire and the carrier mounted high. Does that matter? Absolutely! How many times have you seen or been in situations where the truck is tilted so far that tossing an empty beer can in the bed would send it over? You are talking at least 150 lbs for the tire, wheel and carrier. Anywhere you put that much weight will have consequences.

Like every aspect of truck design, from bumpers to tire carriers, you have to consider how you use the truck when you make these choices. Few choices come free of downsides. I run very narrow tires and the truck is designed so that the biggest tire that fits the truck, also just fits the underbed carrier. I don't lose any clearance to speak of because the tires are 9.5s. I have the bed clear and the swing away can be used for gas or other essentials while keeping the CG lower. For me thats the best choice. There is no one right answer. You have to use la cabeza.


One other thing to consider is lifting that tire. I'm not a kid anymore. Back problems and all the rest that comes with age. I also do 99% of my wheeling alone. Lifting a 90-100 pound tire onto a carrier is not my idea of fun. One full size rig I had used a tire wheel combination that was 130 pounds. I built a gantry onto the tire carrier so I could use a block and tackle to lift it.

Teryx

[Dunk]

Well, I will weigh in on the swing-out carrier. Personally, 35" or bigger is to big to be under the bed. Especially if you have cut bedsides for clearance.. Kinda negates the point of all that if you have a boat anchor under the bed. The weight is more... but I had the frame plated and have never seen any problems. (unlike others) I do carry gear back there but probably no where near what the expedition guys carry. Visibility is reduced, and when I am (FINALLY) swapped and running 37s it will be worse. However, has never bothered me really, probably because all my back windows are limo tinted anyway. I am going to be redoing it in a bit to put things at less of an angle and offer more bed space, but still like some tilt on it to keep some weight over the bed. Pluses and minuses to everything.. its your choice. :)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/jasondunk/Rear%20Bumper%20Swing%20away%20addition/P1010110.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/jasondunk/Rear%20Bumper%20Swing%20away%20addition/P1010113.jpg

[DopuS]

So for those expedition minded folks that sleep in the bed, I have not figured out how I would have a swing out carrier and get into my bed platform, close the tail gate, drop the topper rear window, and then close the swing out tire. Or have people built it so their swing out does not interfere with the topper window? Or climb in the side windoor (sounds like a real pain especially if its raining)?

[sasaholic]

So for those expedition minded folks that sleep in the bed, I have not figured out how I would have a swing out carrier and get into my bed platform, close the tail gate, drop the topper rear window, and then close the swing out tire. Or have people built it so their swing out does not interfere with the topper window? Or climb in the side windoor (sounds like a real pain especially if its raining)?

i dont close my tiregate when camping

[DopuS]

Yeah, I guess that was an obvious answer. I really was asking about the times that I would be sleeping in the truck in a populated area where I cannot leave it open. Times that I have been traveling for a week or weeks, I always have to spend some nights in places where I would prefer that it is not known that I am sleeping in the back of the truck

[Taylor00]

Leave the swingout open! Shut tail gate and glass.. Some swingouts lock open so u wouldnt have to worrie about it slamming shut in middle of night

[Brain]

I just had one added to my All Pro rear bumper. A local fabber did it, http://www.ironmanoffroad.com/ I believe o1tundra met him at Rocks & valleys while he was on the Ultimate Adventure. Pat came up with it after I showed him a few other basic designs I liked. He did and excellent job on it. I got the swivel from rockstomper.com. I went over it with Carquest's equivilent to POR15. I really don't care for the finish but the salesman said it will start dulling in no time. If it doesn't, I will be hitting it with a semi-gloss clear.

There is room for a Hi-Lift and jerry can mounts in the future too. I plan to add a Softtopper next year. My suspension guy is going to add a pair of Chevy springs to it to help with the weight Thrs. hopefully.

My big reason was to get the spare out of the bed. I had it on the roofrack but it made a lot of noise up there. We take several camping trips a year and definitely need the cargo room.

I probably have @ $225 total into it.


Can you send me more pictures of how your hinge is mounted? I have an All Pro bumper as well and am looking for ideas on how to build the hinge portion.

[Rattler]

Can you send me more pictures of how your hinge is mounted? I have an All Pro bumper as well and am looking for ideas on how to build the hinge portion.

PM me your email and I can shoot you a couple. I got the hinge from Rock Stomper. Its a fairly simple design. I think I like the way mine works over some other designs with more of a latch holding it closed as opposed to the pin setup I have.

[Brain]

PM me your email and I can shoot you a couple. I got the hinge from Rock Stomper. Its a fairly simple design. I think I like the way mine works over some other designs with more of a latch holding it closed as opposed to the pin setup I have.

PM'd. Does your spare wobble around at all? Like if you were to grab the tire, is there any flex in the setup?

[Rattler]

PM'd. Does your spare wobble around at all? Like if you were to grab the tire, is there any flex in the setup?

It doesn't really wobble but it used to have a little "chatter" due to the way it closed. I installed a peice of foam rubber in there and its as quiet as can be. You will see in the pics. My only regret is not having the whole setup powdercoated when I first had it built. Michigan winters aren't the nicest to things.

[Box Rocket]

I built the tire carrier on mine so I could get the spare out from under the truck. I plan to relocate my rear shocks for better travel. Also will likely add a water tank at some point. And it gives me a place for my Trasharoo. :)

It's also way easier to change tires without having to get under the truck especially if its wet or muddy.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/boxrocket/Gold%20Truck/_MG_5883.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/boxrocket/Gold%20Truck/_MG_5904.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/boxrocket/Gold%20Truck/_MG_5905.jpg

[Blackdawg]

Cause it's cool :D

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii614/jakboling/2012-07-29_15-05-52_735.jpg
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii614/jakboling/b39bf42f.jpg
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii614/jakboling/90d82984.jpg
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii614/jakboling/d75977e6.jpg

[warbird]

So the chioces are:

Underneith (stock location):
- Out of the way but hard to reach (just plain nasty in the mud). Size limited

Out back
- Easy access but creates a blind spot and adds length/overhang to rear.

Roof rack (Xcab or 4dr);
- Out of the way, harder to reach/handle, may affect CG, also size limited.

What about a "roll bar" mount above and aft of the cab? Something that rides horizinotal (out of the rear line of sight) that can be tilted vertical for mouting and dismounting from the bed? Not a good option if you run a cap/topper but...

[TacoDell]

Unless you box the rear frame rails...
I recommend the weight be over the Rr. axle.

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/TTORADell/Fabtech%20spare%20tire%20mount/IMG_1265.jpg

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/TTORADell/Fabtech%20spare%20tire%20mount/IMG_1280.jpg

I manage to pack all survival/repair/recovery junk around/under the spare...

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/TTORADell/Fabtech%20spare%20tire%20mount/sparetirebedmount27.jpg

[Rattler]

I got a recall/safety bulletin in the mail from Toyota last week in regards to something about the plate on the sapre tire carrier underneath corroding. I really don't have to worry about it seeing it hasn't been under there in about 5 years.