SAS who can do it in PHOENIX???

[mikedynaglide]

Can anyone give me the number of an EXPERIENCED shop in the phoenix area that is known to do a GOOD job installing an SAS kit on Older IFS toyotas, I have a 93. Please respond to my regular email if you can.. Mikedynaglide@live.com Thanks in advance!!

[Mark in Az]

Your post triggered a spam filter that I just spotted & fixed today.

[azrain]

On this board;

Bovads
Symon623
T-Bob

I would almost let anyone of those three touch my rig, maybe. :flipoff4:

All kidding aside, all of them know how to swap old junk.

[tim mesic]

symon623 is in the process of opening a new shop on the west side . tim

[BOVADS]

i cant send emails out of my work comp due to filter, but those 3 choices you were given are all great choices.


thanks AZRAIN :D

[rockbronco]

symon623 is in the process of opening a new shop on the west side . tim

yup if you can hold your horses to get it done.....or any other the other two are good choices too

[TBob]

not sure how I missed this thread :confused:
Thanks Azrain
Email sent Mike

[Mark in Az]

On this board;

Bovads
Symon623
T-Bob



All three are good choices. But my vote goes to BOVADS, since he's actually worked on my junk. :)

[Symon623]

Thanks AZRAIN for the recommendation.

Email sent Mike....

[Jaco]

All three are good choices. But my vote goes to BOVADS, since he's actually worked on my junk. :)

Since we are voting, my vote goes to http://www.builtiibeat.com/ since I've seen how meticulous and clean his work is. He also has a VERY good welder working with him :2cents:

[ninja]

Built to beat for everything, best prices biggest dicks and i mean biggest dicks:D

[Joe Dirt]

Randy Ellis design did my mine 4 years ago. $1500 OTD for front SAS and rear Marlin lift kit. Never had an issue with anything he's done for me. :2cents:

[azrain]

Built to beat for everything, best prices biggest dicks and i mean biggest dicks:D

By that you would mean biggest dickheads, not penis size. Or so I've heard. :flipoff4:

Yeah, Bob lays down some decent welds for a fuckstick. :D

Any one of the three do nice looking work IMO.

[tufftoy]

does bob know how to do a SAS? i mean all those years an he never cut his IFS out.:flipoff4: really tho he does good work

[TBob]

:rofl: :flipoff1:
you berry funny.

does bob know how to do a SAS? i mean all those years an he never cut his IFS out.:flipoff4: really tho he does good work

[Dirtygerman]

does bob know how to do a SAS? i mean all those years an he never cut his IFS out.:flipoff4: really tho he does good work


Lol.. I only wish

[zanyzonies]

On this board;

Bovads
Symon623
T-Bob

I would almost let anyone of those three touch my rig, maybe. :flipoff4:

All kidding aside, all of them know how to swap old junk.

if your really wanting it done by some one who not only can do it, but has done it, you wont go wrong with any of te three mentioned above!

Sy, at 4WD HQ just did a bunch of custom fab work to one of my rigs. and it came out very good! :)

but also you can look at some of T-Bobs threads and Bovads threads, and you will see they both know there stuff also!

my :2cents:

[ninja]

built to beat has the best welding skills :eek: :p:flipoff1: but they are :supergay:

[TBob]

would like to say thanks for the plug but I'm sure you would take it the wrong way. :xrainbow:

built to beat has the best welding skills :eek: :p:flipoff1: but they are :supergay:

[matthewhanson05]

Now how about someone in Tucson or PHX that'll do an SAS for a 1st gen supercharger and URD kit + 16" rims wit 35" km2's as partial payment for a broke ass?

[007max]

BIIB builds all of my shit and they do amazing work. You've seen this right: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149004 ?

PM me about the SC...

[87pickup]

What motor is the urd for?

[tacoray4x4]

What motor is the urd for?

I'd assume he means the 3.4L V6 supercharger, thats the only one I know that had two different generations. First was gray and made slightly more boost I think, but seals / bearings wore out quicker. Second is the black that most have.

[Dick Foster]

Other than the color of powder coating the difference between the two was the housing or the casting bit that Magnuson did. The blower or supercharger itself was the same Eaton unit. The newer one ran just a tad (an itty bitty bit) hotter principally because it was a more compact unit due to the lower profile housing more compact unit overall. Other that that they were the same, rather incomplete kits from TRD.

Oh I forgot the newer unit had oil fill hole on top instead of under neath the nose drive so the oil can be changed without removing the charger.
Should do that every 100K miles or so. You can get oil change kits from GM dealers or pay more though TRD. You can also buy them from Magnuson I think.

I'd assume he means the 3.4L V6 supercharger, thats the only one I know that had two different generations. First was gray and made slightly more boost I think, but seals / bearings wore out quicker. Second is the black that most have.

[87pickup]

Bummer, id like to pick one up for a 2.7

[mrdoug]

Bummer, id like to pick one up for a 2.7

There's one up here in CO: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153865

[matthewhanson05]

Yea its for the 3.4, its the first one thats the bare cast material.

[howyadoin]

There's one up here in CO: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153865

No offense...but logic says a supercharger for a pos 4 cyl. should not cost more than a GM 6.0L and TH400...I'm just sayin'.:rolleyes:

[mrdoug]

Not my sale, it's one of our local club members. I haven't been in the market so can't/won't guess how it's priced. Just offering the lead.

I will say that I know the truck this came out of and it used to blast past me over the passes up here (I have the 5vz). POS 4 banger or not, it hauled ass and did fine on the trails.

[87pickup]

No offense...but logic says a supercharger for a pos 4 cyl. should not cost more than a GM 6.0L and TH400...I'm just sayin'.:rolleyes:

True but didnt the Fat performance vw motors that tracey jordan and bruce zellar use in their moon buggies cost quite a bit more than a turnkey ls7 motor? I thought i read those fat performance motors were like 30k. Or how much does Tracys new pos scat 4 cylinder cost. What a piece of junk.

[howyadoin]

True but didnt the Fat performance vw motors that tracey jordan and bruce zellar use in their moon buggies cost quite a bit more than a turnkey ls7 motor? I thought i read those fat performance motors were like 30k. Or how much does Tracys new pos scat 4 cylinder cost. What a piece of junk.

True, in a comp situation, having a superlight motor that still makes 300 hp is pretty important...helps that Scrapper weighs 1800 lbs.:D Re: the Skat...no idea what Tracy paid Troy for that, but there have been many times he's regretted it I assure you.;) I'm just saying that paying more for a supercharger that goes on top of a stock 4 cylinder for a recreational wheeler than a reliable/powerful/supportable V8 and auto trans. cost is VERY questionable logic IMHO.

[87pickup]

I know comparing a scat v4 to a 3rz is not apples to apples but for me the weight of a v8 and the shear size of one doesnt work for my application. But a few extra ponies is nice if the price is right. Plus who doesnt love the sound of forced induction. I get a little regretfull of selling uriel my old motor when i hear that turbo whistling and blow off valve opening.

[Joe Dirt]

until you hear his longs and r/p's exploding :lmao:

[87pickup]

Thats the water in the tires not the boost so im good.

[Joe Dirt]

troof!! :D

[MerMan]

I get a little regretfull of selling uriel my old motor when i hear that turbo whistling and blow off valve opening.
Best upgrade ever, period:kewl:

until you hear his longs and r/p's exploding :lmao:
Bobby and Zuk says im good for another year;)

Thats the water in the tires not the boost so im good.
No more agua, lesson learned.:shame:

[Spinnas]

No more agua, lesson learned.:shame:

No agua, no wheeling for you in 2 weeks! Fill those bitches back up! Even Bernie is putting in water, so you should know I'm serious. Bernie doesn't even check his engine oil!

[rockbronco]

yeah a SC kit is a waste of cash on a crawler. cost vs hp benifet is not there. turbo is a differnt story tho

[peacesells63]

Turbo is the only way to go, power and economy

[TBob]

X2 - best set up for wheeling IMHO

Turbo is the only way to go, power and economy

[MerMan]

X2 - best set up for wheeling IMHO

Yes:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoxIjljARU4&sns=em

[Joe Dirt]

http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartUniqueID=7961079D-46FE-4D62-A5BA-AAA3595803AE

If you don't have self control, or a have a high CC limit, I'd avoid this site :D

[Symon623]

I'm leanin toward the turbo route too....... for me a V8 will bolt right up to my trans but keepin it cool in AZ will be a real PITA...... Plus now with my doubler that extra torque isn't really needed.

My set up will mostly be for HP situations, not torque situations....

[FAUX X 4]

http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartUniqueID=7961079D-46FE-4D62-A5BA-AAA3595803AE

If you don't have self control, or a have a high CC limit, I'd avoid this site :D

Anybody have $2,500 I can borrow? :xpimp:

[87pickup]

I would love a turbo but packaging it all would be a challenge, and keeping the turbo alive in off camber situations would be crucial. It would blow to starve a $2500 turbo kit for oil when climbing. Thats one of the reasons i sold my old turbo motor, i had heard the 22rte's starve for oil easily and i think sure enough uriel already replaced the turbo once.

[BOVADS]

there is no replacement for displacement
my :2cents:

[howyadoin]

i had heard the 22rte's starve for oil easily and i think sure enough uriel already replaced the turbo once.

Ummmm...actually 2 or 3 times I believe.:D


there is no replacement for displacement
my :2cents:

Amen brother. I think we need to get a Prius motor for Sy, that way even when he wants to "vag out"...the motor won't stop and he'll have to run lines.:lmao:

[BOVADS]

Amen brother. I think we need to get a Prius motor for Sy, that way even when he wants to "vag out"...the motor won't stop and he'll have to run lines.:lmao:

:lmao:

[WARTOY]

I'm leanin toward the turbo route too....... for me a V8 will bolt right up to my trans but keepin it cool in AZ will be a real PITA...... Plus now with my doubler that extra torque isn't really needed.

My set up will mostly be for HP situations, not torque situations....

I ran a v8 up there for 5 years and never had a problem. It was my daily driver too.:rolleyes:

[WARTOY]

there is no replacement for displacement
my :2cents:

Amen!:D

[WARTOY]

I know comparing a scat v4 to a 3rz is not apples to apples but for me the weight of a v8 and the shear size of one doesnt work for my application. But a few extra ponies is nice if the price is right. Plus who doesnt love the sound of forced induction. I get a little regretfull of selling uriel my old motor when i hear that turbo whistling and blow off valve opening.

I have two 3" blow off valves on my truck. :D

[FAUX X 4]

I ran a v8 up there for 5 years and never had a problem. It was my daily driver too.:rolleyes:

Yours was "Oil Cooled" though. :D

[WARTOY]

Yours was "Oil Cooled" though. :D

:lmao: :flipoff3: I ran Horchata fool!:D

[FAUX X 4]

:lmao: :flipoff3: I ran Horchata fool!:D

No speako el hispanico......... Is that supposed to be some sort of wise crack towards Uriel? :D

[WARTOY]

No speako el hispanico......... Is that supposed to be some sort of wise crack towards Uriel? :D

No, I would have said Tamarindo.:D

[Heatstroke]

:lmao: :flipoff3: I ran Horchata fool!:D

I'm not Puerto Rican me no understando.

[FAUX X 4]

No, I would have said Tamarindo.:D

Wikipedia cleared that one up for me too! :D

Características
l árbol puede llegar a medir hasta 20 m de altura. Las hojas del tamarindo tienen por lo general de 10 a 18 foliolos. El árbol produce unos frutos marrones parecidos a bolsas, que contienen una pulpa y están cubiertas, y dentro de ellas se encuentran las semillas. Las semillas pueden ser raspadas para acelerar la germinación.


Planta de tamarindo recién germinada con vestigio de la semilla.
La pulpa de la fruta se utiliza como condimento en la cocina asiática tanto como en la de Latinoamérica; también es un importante ingrediente de la Salsa inglesa y algunas otras Salsas. La pulpa de un fruto joven es muy ácida, y por lo tanto recomendable para muchos platos, mientras que los frutos maduros son más dulces y pueden ser utilizados en postres, bebidas o como aperitivo.
La pulpa, hojas y la corteza tienen aplicaciones médicinales. Por ejemplo, en Filipinas, las hojas son tradicionalmente usadas en té para reducir la fiebre causada por malaria.
Debido a la densidad y durabilidad, la madera del tamarindo puede ser utilizada para fabricar muebles y duelas. Los árboles de tamarindo son muy comunes en el sur de la India particularmente en Andhra Pradesh. Se utilizan para dar sombra en las carreteras y autopistas del país. Los monos gustan de los frutos maduros de tamarindo. Es parte de la dieta básica en el sur de la India, en donde se prepara Sambhar (sopa de verduras con especias) arroz Pulihora, y otros platos.

[WARTOY]

I'm not Puerto Rican me no understando.

:lmao: You forgot to hit the SAP button.

[WARTOY]

Wikipedia cleared that one up for me too! :D

Características
l árbol puede llegar a medir hasta 20 m de altura. Las hojas del tamarindo tienen por lo general de 10 a 18 foliolos. El árbol produce unos frutos marrones parecidos a bolsas, que contienen una pulpa y están cubiertas, y dentro de ellas se encuentran las semillas. Las semillas pueden ser raspadas para acelerar la germinación.


Planta de tamarindo recién germinada con vestigio de la semilla.
La pulpa de la fruta se utiliza como condimento en la cocina asiática tanto como en la de Latinoamérica; también es un importante ingrediente de la Salsa inglesa y algunas otras Salsas. La pulpa de un fruto joven es muy ácida, y por lo tanto recomendable para muchos platos, mientras que los frutos maduros son más dulces y pueden ser utilizados en postres, bebidas o como aperitivo.
La pulpa, hojas y la corteza tienen aplicaciones médicinales. Por ejemplo, en Filipinas, las hojas son tradicionalmente usadas en té para reducir la fiebre causada por malaria.
Debido a la densidad y durabilidad, la madera del tamarindo puede ser utilizada para fabricar muebles y duelas. Los árboles de tamarindo son muy comunes en el sur de la India particularmente en Andhra Pradesh. Se utilizan para dar sombra en las carreteras y autopistas del país. Los monos gustan de los frutos maduros de tamarindo. Es parte de la dieta básica en el sur de la India, en donde se prepara Sambhar (sopa de verduras con especias) arroz Pulihora, y otros platos.

You just posted the instructions for "cloning".

[FAUX X 4]

:lmao: You forgot to hit the SAP button.
:lmao:... the Speak Abla Puerto Rican button

[Symon623]

there is no replacement for displacement
my :2cents:

Absolutley right. Will depend on cost and if turbos burn up while off camber than adding the other 2 cylinders will be the solution.

[FAUX X 4]

You just posted the instructions for "cloning".

It's all part of my evil plan to take over the world. :D

[WARTOY]

:lmao:... the Speak Abla Puerto Rican button

Someone Ask Pedro button. He's the only one of us that went to school.:D

[FAUX X 4]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:Someone Ask Pedro button. He's the only one of us that went to school.:D

[WARTOY]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

"SAS who can do it in PHOENIX???" "Sexy Ass Spaniard?":confused:

[FAUX X 4]

Can somebody please change the title of this thread?........ I have no idea why someone would have named it that and it has nothing to do with what we're talking about! :D

[Symon623]

Amen brother. I think we need to get a Prius motor for Sy, that way even when he wants to "vag out"...the motor won't stop and he'll have to run lines.:lmao:

I'll take the 5.3 or 6.0 version. :D

Cos I take so many bypasses. :rolleyes:

[WARTOY]

Can somebody please change the title of this thread?........ I have no idea why someone would have named it that and it has nothing to do with what we're talking about! :D

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: Spaniards do it better. I guess.:D

[87pickup]

I hope i didnt help get this thread completly off topic. But dont all threads here turn into something to do with Mikesspotting abilty or money tree, sy wheelin malls, uriel and anything hispanic or somebody being so short their are kicking someone in the shins?

[Kaistie]

Why not use the supercharged 3.4L? My motor has plenty of power, and it has been very reliable.

[howyadoin]

Why not use the supercharged 3.4L? My motor has plenty of power, and it has been very reliable.

Oh fawk...here we go again:rolleyes:. Let me see...far less torque, far more money, sound like a pissed off lawnmower, will be made fun of by other wheelers, can't put a "real" tranny behind it...etc.etc.etc.

But seriously...bang for the buck comes to mind immediately.;)

[MerMan]

I would love a turbo but packaging it all would be a challenge, and keeping the turbo alive in off camber situations would be crucial. It would blow to starve a $2500 turbo kit for oil when climbing. Thats one of the reasons i sold my old turbo motor, i had heard the 22rte's starve for oil easily and i think sure enough uriel already replaced the turbo once.

Yeah, those ct20 turbos are junk. I ended replacing it with a turbo off a 05 Subaru wrx.

[BOVADS]

Why not use the supercharged 3.4L? My motor has plenty of power, and it has been very reliable.

try to stay on-topic, .... wait, whats this thread about again?

[BOVADS]

Yeah, those ct20 turbos are junk. I ended replacing it with a turbo off a 05 Subaru wrx.

need twin turbos, all the Fords are doing it so it must work right?

[peacesells63]

there is no replacement for displacement
my :2cents:


I disagree. Back in my hot rod days, everyone would get pissed when a stock 100k shortblock 5.0 on 10psi would destroy their aluminum headed 572. Almost twice the motor in every way, and less RWTQ in the end.

[rockbronco]

5.3 chevy for me please. That will be in my next rig.

[87pickup]

I disagree. Back in my hot rod days, everyone would get pissed when a stock 100k shortblock 5.0 on 10psi would destroy their aluminum headed 572. Almost twice the motor in every way, and less RWTQ in the end.

Very true, The twin turbo small block guys are blowing the doors off 700+ci 3 stage nitous motors in the pro outlaw class.

[Spinnas]

I disagree. Back in my hot rod days, everyone would get pissed when a stock 100k shortblock 5.0 on 10psi would destroy their aluminum headed 572. Almost twice the motor in every way, and less RWTQ in the end.

So that happened once apparently. Cause 572s were all over the place "back in the day". I know alot of 5.0 guys, and all have since sold their junk and are playing with other toys now. And they would say the same thing, good luck with your "stock" 100K 5.0 on 10psi.

Not to mention, you can have a 572, but if it's in a crew cab truck, then no shit it's gonna lose to a fox body 5.0 with boost:rolleyes:

[Spinnas]

Very true, The twin turbo small block guys are blowing the doors off 700+ci 3 stage nitous motors in the pro outlaw class.

Just like a 5.9L Cummins makes the 7.3/6.0/6.4 PSDs and 6.6 Duramax trucks look dumb with less displacement and 2 less cylinders:D

[Spinnas]

need twin turbos, all the Fords are doing it so it must work right?

Actually, they did that, and now they are going away from it:lmao:

[howyadoin]

Just like a 5.9L Cummins makes the 7.3/6.0/6.4 PSDs and 6.6 Duramax trucks look dumb with less displacement and 2 less cylinders:D

True dat.:D

[lvanst]

22RE with a final crawl ratio of 223:1

0 to .12647 MPH in .00457 seconds!

[Spinnas]

22RE with a final crawl ratio of 223:1

0 to .12647 MPH in .00457 seconds!

I think you got that backwards, it's 0 to .00457 MPH in .12647 seconds:lmao:

[87pickup]

Just like a 5.9L Cummins makes the 7.3/6.0/6.4 PSDs and 6.6 Duramax trucks look dumb with less displacement and 2 less cylinders:D

Very true, now that i have a dmax, i miss my old cummins.

[007max]

Oh fawk...here we go again:rolleyes:. Let me see...far less torque, far more money, sound like a pissed off lawnmower, will be made fun of by other wheelers, can't put a "real" tranny behind it...etc.etc.etc.

But seriously...bang for the buck comes to mind immediately.;)

If one already has a 3.4 in their truck the cost point is kind of moot ;)

[00regcab]

coming from someone that swapped from a 3rz to a 5vz.

fuck the 3.4. Completely over hyped, garbage motor.

i want my 3rz back, no questions about it.

[howyadoin]

If one already has a 3.4 in their truck the cost point is kind of moot ;)

Except that the SC costs more than a small block/"real" auto combo.....which is what I'm saying in the first place. You fawkin' "die hard Yota" guys crack me up. I see Geap guys do the same shit...spending $3k for a 4.7 stroker kit on their pos 6 cyl. Jeep motors. In the end, they weigh the same, are half as reliable, make less torque, etc. as a sbc, and still have their pos Jeep auto/t-case behind it.:rolleyes:

[Symon623]

I hope i didnt help get this thread completly off topic. But dont all threads here turn into something to do with Mikesspotting abilty or money tree, sy wheelin malls, uriel and anything hispanic or somebody being so short their are kicking someone in the shins?

At least I get affiliated with wheelin..... even if it is the Malls..... :D

Back on topic;
My 4.3 actually gets along pretty good.... I just want more. Nothin wrong with that? :cool:

[howyadoin]

At least I get affiliated with wheelin..... even if it is the Malls..... :D

Back on topic;
My 4.3 actually gets along pretty good.... I just want more. Nothin wrong with that? :cool:

All that highway driving your "crawler" does would probably make that ideal.:D

[Symon623]

All that highway driving your "crawler" does would probably make that ideal.:D

Actually ur right. First time for everything.
The highway and the snow are where I want the extra power. Two places ur ur crawlers will never see. :flipoff1:

[Spinnas]

Actually ur right. First time for everything.
The highway and the snow are where I want the extra power. Two places ur ur crawlers will never see. :flipoff1:

Oh really?:D Hwy 260 between Heber and ShowLow:eek:

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt251/Ridinspinnas71/Labor%20Day%202009/DSCF0002.jpg

[howyadoin]

The highway and the snow are where I want the extra power. Two places ur ur crawlers will never see. :flipoff1:

That's why I have other vehicles.:rolleyes:

[Symon623]

Oh really?:D Hwy 260 between Heber and ShowLow:eek:

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt251/Ridinspinnas71/Labor%20Day%202009/DSCF0002.jpg

I was talkin about Howyafertilizinthemoneytree. :flipoff3:

[Spinnas]

Just bustin' your balls Sy. You probably have one of the most streetable yotas I know of. And right behind yours would be howyadiddles.

[Symon623]

That's why I have other vehicles.:rolleyes:

We all don't have the money orchard like u sphinky. :flipoff1:

[Symon623]

Just bustin' your balls Sy. You probably have one of the most streetable yotas I know of. And right behind yours would be howyadiddles.

Thanks Miller. I know u are bustin me. I expect nothing less from this crowd. No worries. :kewl:

Back on topic. When u puttin a spinner on the spinna Miller?

[rockbronco]

Just like a 5.9L Cummins makes the 7.3/6.0/6.4 PSDs and 6.6 Duramax trucks look dumb with less displacement and 2 less cylinders:D

5.9 great engine, shitball truck. would never own one. either way enjoy saying that why you can. the 6.7 PSD is going to own everything on the road.

Actually, they did that, and now they are going away from it:lmao:

how so? the ecoboost motors and getting dropped into everything. Its a promising setup and concept and I expect to see it stay around for the future. They are doing more hp with less engine. There is some exciting stuff from ford out there now, 5.0 motor is back with some power, new 6.2 gas engine, all of the 6cyl engines have stepped up to the plate too. 6.7PSD etc oh and they are not bankrupt like chevy and dodge. :flipoff4:

[Spinnas]

5.9 great engine, shitball truck. would never own one. either way enjoy saying that why you can. the 6.7 PSD is going to own everything on the road.

Here we go again. When this motor ACTUALLY comes out, then we'll see. I remember some of you Toyota fuckers, and others not on here, said that Toyota was gonna come out with a diesel that will dessimate all and Chevy/Ford/Dodge are gonna be out of the market. That was 6 years ago and I'm still waiting.....

Bernie would like to point out that atleast we tow our Chrysler products with other Chrysler products since we all like talking shit. The other Toyota douches that tow their shit with Toyota junk is Nate and Rick. If Toyotas are so great, then why doesn't everyone tow with one...:2cents:

Oh, and Chevy came out with a 6.2L V8 about 3 years ago. I doubt ford can match the HP, TQ, and mpg of that motor. As for 6-cylinders, lets see ford match up with the 4.3 in HP, TQ, and mpg. Ford might be able to match in power, but they ALWAYS bring the suck in the mpg department. Last I checked they had a 4.6L V6 that couldn't hang with the 4.3.

[howyadoin]

the 6.7 PSD is going to own everything on the road.


As proven by it's amazing predecessors in the 6.0 and 6.4???:rolleyes:

[howyadoin]

If Toyotas are so great, then why doesn't everyone tow with one...:2cents:

I think we all know the answer to that question.:lmao:

[howyadoin]

I was talkin about Howyafertilizinthemoneytree. :flipoff3:

Last I checked...the 4Bummer is street legal and quite comfortable in the 80-85 mph range.:D I still prefer to throw it on the trailer as my Cummins is FAR more enjoyable to drive fwiw. If you want to do snow runs, Artic Cat and Ski-doo make some excellent candidates.:flipoff3:

[rockbronco]

Here we go again. When this motor ACTUALLY comes out, then we'll see. I remember some of you Toyota fuckers, and others not on here, said that Toyota was gonna come out with a diesel that will dessimate all and Chevy/Ford/Dodge are gonna be out of the market. That was 6 years ago and I'm still waiting.....

Bernie would like to point out that atleast we tow our Chrysler products with other Chrysler products since we all like talking shit. The other Toyota douches that tow their shit with Toyota junk is Nate and Rick. If Toyotas are so great, then why doesn't everyone tow with one...:2cents:

Oh, and Chevy came out with a 6.2L V8 about 3 years ago. I doubt ford can match the HP, TQ, and mpg of that motor. As for 6-cylinders, lets see ford match up with the 4.3 in HP, TQ, and mpg. Ford might be able to match in power, but they ALWAYS bring the suck in the mpg department. Last I checked they had a 4.6L V6 that couldn't hang with the 4.3.

Hey smart guy that engine is out NOW look for it on the road. Ive had first hand experience with one of these engines already and I can tell you its going to be the shit. but hey what do I know, its not like I work on diesels or anything:rolleyes: Toyota building a diesel was a far fetched wish, Everyone wished it would have been a decent right but there was no way they could compete in the big 3 market.

oh and last I checked didn't Bernie tow with a FORD? :flipoff4:

Im just saying there are several new power plants from ford hitting the market they are expected to do very well. I didn't compare them to anything chevy or dodge except for the diesel.

As proven by it's amazing predecessors in the 6.0 and 6.4???:rolleyes:

actually those engines where built by international not ford. The 6.7 is ford built 100%. honestly you cant not compare it to the previous engines. Its all new from the ground up. Its an all new ballgame

Thats ok hate on the ford, Ill still drive one bitches:cool:

[Spinnas]

Hey smart guy that engine is out NOW look for it on the road. Ive had first hand experience with one of these engines already and I can tell you its going to be the shit. but hey what do I know, its not like I work on diesels or anything:rolleyes: Toyota building a diesel was a far fetched wish, Everyone wished it would have been a decent right but there was no way they could compete in the big 3 market.

oh and last I checked didn't Bernie tow with a FORD? :flipoff4:



Lets see them rack up some miles and go from there. And Bernie tows with his Dodge cause his Ford keeps blowing the fuck up. Oh, and his ford has 41,000 miles on it, 5 years old. On it's 3rd tranny, 2nd set of head gaskets, among the other problems. If he was to post about it, he'd use alot more colorful words.

His Dodge has 160,000 on it, 15 years old, all original, 2nd clutch. Never let him down.

[00regcab]

Except that the SC costs more than a small block/"real" auto combo.....which is what I'm saying in the first place. You fawkin' "die hard Yota" guys crack me up. I see Geap guys do the same shit...spending $3k for a 4.7 stroker kit on their pos 6 cyl. Jeep motors. In the end, they weigh the same, are half as reliable, make less torque, etc. as a sbc, and still have their pos Jeep auto/t-case behind it.:rolleyes:

Must be an AZ thing to have a reliable SBC :rolleyes: Those don't exist around these parts. I'll take less power and less weight for a more reliable motor (toyota 4cyl) any day of the week.

Aftermarket "performance" parts are expensive, but it's a truck (crawler, whatever) not a race car, so whats the need for it in all reality? It's just something to bitch about really.

[rockbronco]

Lets see them rack up some miles and go from there. And Bernie tows with his Dodge cause his Ford keeps blowing the fuck up. Oh, and his ford has 41,000 miles on it, 5 years old. On it's 3rd tranny, 2nd set of head gaskets, among the other problems. If he was to post about it, he'd use alot more colorful words.

His Dodge has 160,000 on it, 15 years old, all original, 2nd clutch. Never let him down.

I agree they need miles to prove themselves but you cant say its going to suck based on that alone either. I have seen both the 6.0 and 6.4 in early production stages just like the 6.7 so I have a comparison to my statements and can say they got it right this time. Time will tell.

Thats because he needs to get someone that knows what the fuck they are doing to it when they are working on it the first time. lots of hacks think they can fix these trucks right and all they do is make it worse, this repeat failures and bad rap. bring that shit to me and Ill make it right.

He never did call me on his problems.

you cant compare bad apples to the rest of the market. Its estimated 70% of the 6.0s on the road never have a warranty claim but the ones we see are dicked. Its a machine and breaks just like anything else man made.

my dads 2004 6.0 has over 155k on it and never one single problem, oh I did one brake job on it ;) my neighbor has over 200k on his 7.3 and perfect track record. I can rattle off lots of 6.0 customers never having a problem either. Thats ok bring the hate:lmao:

[Spinnas]

I'll take less power and less weight for a more reliable motor (toyota 4cyl) any day of the week.


Interesting, I'd guess a toy 4-banger weighs as much as my 2.5L Jeep 4-banger. And my motor weighs 10 lbs less than an all alum. SBC ready to go or 60 lbs less than a cast block/alum head SBC ready to go...

Basically, if I ditched my Jeep 4-banger, 5-speed tranny that is the same as you toy guys, and teralow t-case for a cast block/alum head SBC with a TH350/400 and an atlas 4-speed, it would weigh 100lbs more.

[Spinnas]

He never did call me on his problems.


It has a new tranny in it, and it's for sale;)

[* ROKTOY**]

Must be an AZ thing to have a reliable SBC :rolleyes: Those don't exist around these parts. I'll take less power and less weight for a more reliable motor (toyota 4cyl) any day of the week.

Aftermarket "performance" parts are expensive, but it's a truck (crawler, whatever) not a race car, so whats the need for it in all reality? It's just something to bitch about really.

down here we have whats called, SAND, and WATERFALLS, youR little stock 4cyl aint gonna do either one of those very good. thats why we have want/have V8'S:rolleyes:

[* ROKTOY**]

SPINNAS; Stick with what you actually know, AXELS. the rest is just bias'd shit talking:D

[00regcab]

down here we have whats called, SAND, and WATERFALLS, youR little stock 4cyl aint gonna do either one of those very good. thats why we have want/have V8'S:rolleyes:

:lmao: ignorance is bliss i suppose, if you only knew.

-- while i don't have my 4cyl anymore, id take it over my v6 any day. I just got back from azrocks and out of all the IFS rigs that showed this year (which was a shit load) I'd honestly say I had the least amount of problems out of all of them (which is usually never the case for me), with my "little motor" on your "sand and waterfalls".

Driver skill will win over power all of the time. Everybody out there had a small motor, and almost no issues.

[* ROKTOY**]

:lmao: ignorance is bliss i suppose, if you only knew.

-- while i don't have my 4cyl anymore, id take it over my v6 any day. I just got back from azrocks and out of all the IFS rigs that showed this year (which was a shit load) I'd honestly say I had the least amount of problems out of all of them (which is usually never the case for me), with my "little motor" on your "sand and waterfalls".

Driver skill will win over power all of the time. Everybody out there had a small motor, and almost no issues.

well let us know when you want to try some of the real trails that need a little wheel speed, or a bump. taco low will only get you so far. glad you came down for az rocks and sampled some of the stuff we have, it had to be a long drive?

[Spinnas]

SPINNAS; Stick with what you actually know, AXELS. the rest is just bias'd shit talking:D

Toy axles are for little kiddies.

[rockbronco]

:lmao: ignorance is bliss i suppose, if you only knew.

-- while i don't have my 4cyl anymore, id take it over my v6 any day. I just got back from azrocks and out of all the IFS rigs that showed this year (which was a shit load) I'd honestly say I had the least amount of problems out of all of them (which is usually never the case for me), with my "little motor" on your "sand and waterfalls".

Driver skill will win over power all of the time. Everybody out there had a small motor, and almost no issues.

sorry but I HIGHLY doubt you where actually on what we refer to as waterfalls...gears are great to have the control to crawl over stuff but sometimes you need to get some to get up a fall. then if you get some too hard on baby toyota axles shit goes boom

[Spinnas]

sorry but I HIGHLY doubt you where actually on what we refer to as waterfalls...gears are great to have the control to crawl over stuff but sometimes you need to get some to get up a fall. then if you get some too hard on baby toyota axles shit goes boom

X2, I loved in JV when guys would refer to "the waterfall on Sledge" and "the waterfall on Jack". There are no waterfalls on either of those trails. At the most there is a 3-4' ledge on a good day(rocks unstacked).

[FAUX X 4]

Here we go again....Bernie would like to point out that atleast we tow our Chrysler products with other Chrysler products since we all like talking shit. The other Toyota douches that tow their shit with Toyota junk is Nate and Rick. If Toyotas are so great, then why doesn't everyone tow with one...:2cents:

hmmm........... I think I've provided the answer to that, but you seem to skip over the fact that some of us drive our Toyotas to and from the trails. :flipoff4:

[Spinnas]

hmmm........... I think I've provided the answer to that, but you seem to skip over the fact that some of us drive our Toyotas to and from CAMP. :flipoff4:

Fixed it for you

[cruiserjim]

[QUOTE=00regcab;1923340]Must be an AZ thing to have a reliable SBC :rolleyes: Those don't exist around these parts. I'll take less power and less weight for a more reliable motor (toyota 4cyl) any day of the week.

It doesn't get any more reliable than a stock SBC in any "parts".And toyota 4 cyl are not light.

[FAUX X 4]

Fixed it for you

Trust me, it has nothing to do with the toyota parts Millhouse! :flipoff4:

[00regcab]

sorry but I HIGHLY doubt you where actually on what we refer to as waterfalls...gears are great to have the control to crawl over stuff but sometimes you need to get some to get up a fall. then if you get some too hard on baby toyota axles shit goes boom

I'm not doubting there are trails where you need some spin, but you don't necessarily need power to get the wheels spinning was my point. Is it easier with tons of power? No doubt. But it's not impossible, tons of people are running 22r/re's still and making big lines with some spin. I will say, that within the people i wheeled with; aside from the geapguy (on his stickies) i was one of the very few that had no issues holding the lines i wanted to be on without slipping/sliding around (water, gravel, sand, whatever the cause may of been). The water played hell with a lot of trucks, even those with the 'tacama low' (which, i was not one of).

When it was all said and done, it was over a 2000 mile round trip including wheeling, ice runs, etc. Not something that i would trust an SBC to do without issues or headaches.

Toyota 4cyl's may not be light, but i'm not buying a SBC being a mere 100lbs more for the full drive train setup. There is just too many additional things to add weight, but i guess on the counter note there are some things that get eliminated.

[Spinnas]

Toyota 4cyl's may not be light, but i'm not buying a SBC being a mere 100lbs more for the full drive train setup. There is just too many additional things to add weight, but i guess on the counter note there are some things that get eliminated.

Someone please give me a weight on a COMPLETE with accessories 22RE. I know my "oh, you only have a 4-banger so it's "light"" Jeep motor complete weighs right at 340. Tranny and transfer case complete weighs 202 lbs. Total is 542 lbs. A cast SBC with alum heads complete comes in right at 400lbs. An auto tranny will weigh you 125lbs or 135lbs depending on which tranny you go with.. And an Atlas 4-speed is 115 pounds. Total is 640-650lbs.

[tufftoy]

down here we have whats called, SAND, and WATERFALLS, youR little stock 4cyl aint gonna do either one of those very good. thats why we have want/have V8'S:rolleyes:


he knows, he's wheeled with the real ROKTOY. who BTW is running toyota power.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/btglite/Jay/jay.html

[cruiserjim]

Someone please give me a weight on a COMPLETE with accessories 22RE. I know my "oh, you only have a 4-banger so it's "light"" Jeep motor complete weighs right at 340. Tranny and transfer case complete weighs 202 lbs. Total is 542 lbs. A cast SBC with alum heads complete comes in right at 400lbs. An auto tranny will weigh you 125lbs or 135lbs depending on which tranny you go with.. And an Atlas 4-speed is 115 pounds. Total is 640-650lbs.

I dont know what a 22R weighs,but it would need to be about 150lbs to have the power to weight ratio as a gen 3 SBC....STOCK:D

[peacesells63]

So that happened once apparently. Cause 572s were all over the place "back in the day". I know alot of 5.0 guys, and all have since sold their junk and are playing with other toys now. And they would say the same thing, good luck with your "stock" 100K 5.0 on 10psi.

Not to mention, you can have a 572, but if it's in a crew cab truck, then no shit it's gonna lose to a fox body 5.0 with boost:rolleyes:

You have to remember im not 100 like most of you guys, back in the day for me was 8 years ago. :flipoff4:

I sold all but one of my hotrods too, got into too much trouble. Whats funny, a stock 91 shortblock from my first fox has been running boost for 4 years now, 100k n/a, 5k with a pro charger, 7k with a 6psi 70mm turbo, 3k with 10 psi, and 2500 with aluminum heads and 10psi. Last tune was pump gas, 9.0 to 1, No timing, and made 739 ftlbs to the wheels. One of my buddies owns it now, still going strong, no smoke, 2 bolt mains, on the weakest version of the block ever made. Not saying its not a time bomb, but its been beat and keeps blowin shit away. Factory forged pistons are the shit, every motor should have them.

[howyadoin]

When it was all said and done, it was over a 2000 mile round trip including wheeling, ice runs, etc. Not something that i would trust an SBC to do without issues or headaches.

Are you fawking serious?:rolleyes: That is the most ludicrous thing I've read on this site...and I've read an amazing amount of complete horseshit here. Think about how many vehicles have run sbc's over the past...oh I don't know...50+ years. I guess those millions of drivers were on the verge of catastrophic failure every time they got behind the wheel.:confused: What exactly happens to these motors ALL THE TIME that you think shows they aren't reliable? You need to step away from the Kool-Aid and do a little research on these "POS" motors.:rolleyes:

[howyadoin]

Driver skill will win over power all of the time. Everybody out there had a small motor, and almost no issues.

Next time you're down here, I'll show you some "real" trails. I assure you that EVERY trail that was run (including Die Hard) at AZRocks is considered a "bunny trail" by many. I can show you a number of trails that absolutely require a good amount of horsepower to even have a shot...and still result in failure the vast majority of the time. LT, JD, Pred., Anaconda, UT, DS, etc. have been done for many years in virtually stock Jeeps, so I don't think you can call them either challenging or indicative of AZ trails IMHO...they are fun little trails.

[howyadoin]

he knows, he's wheeled with the real ROKTOY.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0euofLENZVg

[87pickup]

Are you fawking serious?:rolleyes: That is the most ludicrous thing I've read on this site...and I've read an amazing amount of complete horseshit here. Think about how many vehicles have run sbc's over the past...oh I don't know...50+ years. I guess those millions of drivers were on the verge of catastrophic failure every time they got behind the wheel.:confused: What exactly happens to these motors ALL THE TIME that you think shows they aren't reliable? You need to step away from the Kool-Aid and do a little research on these "POS" motors.:rolleyes:

I think the the small block chevy are super reliable and you can get parts anywhere. But i have always had shitty luck with the vortech 350's. Head gaskets, intake gaskets, those stupid plastic wuick disconnect coolant fittings. either way i would love to have a ls motor is a buggy someday.

[Spinnas]

I can show you a number of trails that absolutely require a good amount of horsepower to even have a shot...and still result in failure the vast majority of the time.

X2, I have been on said trails, and many times, I have been denied because I don't have the get up and go power of a V8. Even with 5-6K clutch drops I still didn't have enough instantaneous wheel speed to make some obstacles. And Mike can tell you, I will beat that rig mercilously trying to make it.

[Spinnas]

I'm not doubting there are trails where you need some spin, but you don't necessarily need power to get the wheels spinning was my point. Is it easier with tons of power? No doubt. But it's not impossible, tons of people are running 22r/re's still and making big lines with some spin. I will say, that within the people i wheeled with; aside from the geapguy (on his stickies) i was one of the very few that had no issues holding the lines i wanted to be on without slipping/sliding around (water, gravel, sand, whatever the cause may of been). The water played hell with a lot of trucks, even those with the 'tacama low' (which, i was not one of).


Here, ya go, show me a tacama-low 22re than can make it up this shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owo4k4iZcLU

[howyadoin]

Here, ya go, show me a tacama-low 22re than can make it up this shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owo4k4iZcLU

C'mon Miller...that shiate's all crawlable in Tacammalow if you're a "real driver".;) Horsepower is completely unnecessary.:D

[87pickup]

Didnt Carey run a turbo 22r for the longest time and just recently switch to a 5.0? Does Scotts 3.8l count as a big boy engine? Actually just checked azrockcrawler.com and it says crey is still running that same toyota 4 cylinder. Somebody better tell him despite it getting the job done for so many years that he has it all wrong.He better run out and get him a small block chevy. After all theres no replacment for displacment right

[Spinnas]

Didnt Carey run a turbo 22r for the longest time and just recently switch to a 5.0? Does Scotts 3.8l count as a big boy engine? Actually just checked azrockcrawler.com and it says crey is still running that same toyota 4 cylinder. Somebody better tell him despite it getting the job done for so many years that he has it all wrong.He better run out and get him a small block chevy. After all theres no replacment for displacment right

Um, Carey has a turbo 22r that makes definitely as much power as an SBC. And no, it's not no stock turbo motor. And it's not Scott, it's Chris that has a 3.8L and oh yeah, it's supercharged. What do I know, I've wheel with those guys quite a bit and I can tell you that my naturally aspirated 4-banger has no shot at some of those climbs.

[87pickup]

Im sure his 22r 4 cylinder cranks out some power. I just thought it was funny that the general concensus was that no 4cylinder can run those trails. And that you need a v8 yet despite being turbod its still a old 4cylinder. And when i mentioned supercharging it was deemed a waste of money and that a turbo is the only way to go. All i am saying is a 4cylinder and 6 cylinder can get it done as it shows in the link you posted. They may take a little more work and that might seem like a waste to some people but itcan be done.

[howyadoin]

Carey and Chris would both love to have a healthy small block fwiw. Doesn't work in their current chassis designs and Carey definately pushes the limit with his rig. I've wheeled with him countless times and he is literally spooling that fawker to red line and dumping the clutch regularly with 42" stickies on a VERY light weight rig to accomplish what guys with healthy V8's are doing with a decent bump...he'll tell you that guaranteed.
Anyway, Carey will also tell you he has FAR more work and money in his 22r than he would have in a V8 to do the same thing...which is my point. I mean Nick Campbell's comp rig has a turbo'd Ecotech from Turnkey that works great in his rig...but it costs far more than he could have gotten a low mileage LS1 for...which is my point.
For every guy who is wheeling his small displacement junk on the "hard stuff", I can show you twenty guys who are doing it with far less work. BTW, Carey makes his living by pushing the limits of propane...his rig is basically his R&D facility fwiw.:cool:

[peacesells63]

Im gonna build a buggy with a flathead ford v8, show all you fuckers who boss

1937 136 2.60 x 3.20 60hp @ 3500 rpm
94 lbs @ 2500 rpm 580lbs dressed

Suck on those specs...

[FAUX X 4]

Here, ya go, show me a tacama-low 22re than can make it up this shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owo4k4iZcLU

I believe that Cary's rig did just that Millhouse!............ FAIL!!! :flipoff4:

[howyadoin]

I believe that Cary's rig did just that Millhouse!............ FAIL!!! :flipoff4:

Pretty sure that TH400 and Atlas dispel the "tacammalow" part...so FAIL on you shitdick!:flipoff4::flipoff4::flipoff4::flipoff4:: flipoff4::flipoff4::flipoff4:

[Spinnas]

Pretty sure that TH400 and Atlas dispel the "tacammalow" part...so FAIL on you shitdick!:flipoff4::flipoff4::flipoff4::flipoff4:: flipoff4::flipoff4::flipoff4:

Actually, I think it's a C5 Ford tranny with adapter plates, a custom C5 rear and Toyota front torque converter, with a TH350 valve body.:confused:

[howyadoin]

Actually, I think it's a C5 Ford tranny with adapter plates, a custom C5 rear and Toyota front torque converter, with a TH350 valve body.:confused:

Fawkin' something like that...not tacammalow regardless.:D

[WARTOY]

Except that the SC costs more than a small block/"real" auto combo.....which is what I'm saying in the first place. You fawkin' "die hard Yota" guys crack me up. I see Geap guys do the same shit...spending $3k for a 4.7 stroker kit on their pos 6 cyl. Jeep motors. In the end, they weigh the same, are half as reliable, make less torque, etc. as a sbc, and still have their pos Jeep auto/t-case behind it.:rolleyes:

:clap: