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totalloser
11-24-2009, 08:57 PM
I was a bit skeptical when I saw the diagrams of a "picket" system for a rope rescue course I just completed, and felt that anchoring to a vehicle would be more prudent. After hanging off them I completely changed my mind, and think this is a VERY handy trick to know for if you have nothing to pull from with your winch or come along.

Basically you drive a stake (3' x 1" give or take) into the ground leaning about 15 degrees away from your rig, and then drive a second one behind it about 3 feet. Wrap a rope many times around the two from the base of the second one to slightly up the side of the first one, and tie it off. Slip a lug wrench between the ropes, and twist the ropes to tension the first with the second. Hook up to the first one at the base.

In rope rescue, these things use webbing, and three 4' stakes or a v of 5 stakes, but for a non life threatening application, I suspect two would be just fine for a light truck like a Tacoma. It is REMARKABLE how strong this setup is. Field tests of in excess of 5000 pounds of dead pull on a properly set up windlass picket system of three 4' pickets.

A slick trick IMO. A good use for broken axleshafts! :) My agency is using commercial tent pegs that look like GIANT duplex nails- they are way cheaper than official rescue stakes, and the duplex is a lot easier to hammer on.

PS Aw dammit, I just discovered this trick is old news on this forum. Sorry folks. :( New guy boo boo.

manhunter
11-25-2009, 07:41 AM
Don't worry about the repeat, newbies get a few mulligans. I posted a thread covering the same topic, but my procedure did not include a second stake behind the first one for additional stability, that could be even more beneficial for more difficult pulls and situations. Thanks for sharing it with us.

viter
11-25-2009, 09:04 AM
I've read about a variation of this before, but you provide some more practical info - could come very usefull! :kewl:

SAR_Squid79
11-25-2009, 09:23 AM
:worthless

NorcalPR
11-25-2009, 04:58 PM
I've posted about this in the other thread about anchors. Let me dig it up.

NorcalPR
11-25-2009, 05:00 PM
http://ttora.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1764142&postcount=20

Picket Holdfast sytems. If using a tandem setup, use a self equalizing load anchor (Also goes for if you are using two trees as an anchor)

Note that you could probably use 1" webbing. Just double/triple it up for stregnth.

fire931
11-25-2009, 05:14 PM
we use this setup in the fire/rescue field and train with it constantly. you would be amazed at the amount of weight they can take. once we hooked our 50,000 engine to it and it was unable to pull them out cleanly. eventually it bent the stakes over until the strap slid off the end due to the angle they bent at.. now keep in mine that was us driving 3 stakes atleast 1 1/2 ft. into hard packed ground however thats still pretty remarkable that something so simple can take such forces...

TacoDell
11-25-2009, 06:57 PM
http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/TTORADell/misc%20junk%20folder/untitledIII.jpg

NorcalPR
11-26-2009, 10:34 AM
Remember to have the pickets back 10-15 degrees ;)

Crazy Geologist
11-26-2009, 08:40 PM
Does anyone have experience with helical anchors?

Bad photo:
http://www.jimssupply.com/anchors.htm
Slightly better photo:
http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/safety/parking-lot/bike-racks/anchor-earth-kits-4-anchors-per-kit

A friend of mine owns a winery in E. Wa and uses these to anchor the support cable at the end of each vine row. He gave me a pair of these anchors (8" helix) to use for sand-mire recovery. I would guess that these should be installed like an ice screw, tilted toward the direction of pull, instead of away. I figured I would equalize both to make a single anchor. but I have yet to get stuck since I got them... For $20/4anchors you can't go too far wrong.

Any thoughts from the forum?