85 build up aka White Stallion

[swimmerzack]

Well i got talked of doing my pre-runer swap. But i Ran across a 85 solid axle yota- 35's 4.7.1 T-case marlin gears. Welded front and rear. Needs a new head Gasket but I should be arrested for getting such a sweet ride
http://s887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/
Some lift needed

Needs flat bed
Tube bumper
roll protection of some kind
half doors
and wheeling

[domino]

Well i got talked of doing my pre-runer swap. But i Ran across a 85 solid axle yota- 35's 4.7.1 T-case marlin gears. Welded front and rear. Needs a new head Gasket but I should be arrested for getting such a sweet ride
http://s887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/
Some lift needed

Needs flat bed
Tube bumper
roll protection of some kind
half doors
and wheeling

The only thing in that list that you really need is roll protection. The rest is just cosmetics right now. Fix that head gasket and let's go wheelin!

[Arky Tacoma]

Just curious, since when is roll protection so important? If it were me, I'd do something about lockers to replace the welded front and rear. Aaron, you and Daniel don't have roll protection...

[domino]

Just curious, since when is roll protection so important? If it were me, I'd do something about lockers to replace the welded front and rear. Aaron, you and Daniel don't have roll protection...

Welded in the rear is just fine. There's a bunch of us either welded or spooled in the rear. I'd even run the welded diff in the front until a lockrite can be sourced.

I will admit, I keep putting off building a cage because there's other things I want to do more. However, I tend to avoid the really steep climbs and off camber stuff where a roll is more likely. Out of the stuff he had listed, the only think I would consider necessary for wheeling is the cage. The others are just nice to have.

[gittinit]

Zack, do you have a digital camera? I want to see some pics of what your working with. Does it have crossover steering? If not i would put that further up on your list.

[domino]

Zack, do you have a digital camera? I want to see some pics of what your working with. Does it have crossover steering? If not i would put that further up on your list.

Too lazy to click on the link, huh?

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/IMG_0167.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/IMG_0168.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/IMG_0170.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/IMG_0171.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/IMG_0172.jpg

[79coyotefrg]

can anyone point out the one thing i dont think any of us have that we NEED?

[domino]

can anyone point out the one thing i dont think any of us have that we NEED?

More money!

[gittinit]

Too lazy to click on the link, huh?


Not to lazy i saw those pics, but really pics of interior, beat up body, and a dirty enging compartment.....What good are those pics? Does it have the factory low hanging tcase crosmember, and push pull steering box? Are the front springs negative arched, is thre any rust? Ya know the pics that help tell the story of what kind of work this thing really needs, to be a 4and 5 capable rig.

[domino]

Not to lazy i saw those pics, but really pics of interior, beat up body, and a dirty enging compartment.....What good are those pics? Does it have the factory low hanging tcase crosmember, and push pull steering box? Are the front springs negative arched, is thre any rust? Ya know the pics that help tell the story of what kind of work this thing really needs, to be a 4and 5 capable rig.

It's probably safe to assume stock crossmember. We know it's stock steering but probably has some sort of cheap lift on it. Pretty much just has 4.7s, radial tires, and welded up 5.29s. It's a long way from a reliable 4/5 rated rig, but it'll keep up until he gets tired of fixing stuff on the trail.

[Arky Tacoma]

Welded in the rear is just fine. There's a bunch of us either welded or spooled in the rear. I'd even run the welded diff in the front until a lockrite can be sourced.

I will admit, I keep putting off building a cage because there's other things I want to do more. However, I tend to avoid the really steep climbs and off camber stuff where a roll is more likely. Out of the stuff he had listed, the only think I would consider necessary for wheeling is the cage. The others are just nice to have.
Wow, you guys try to be careful? HA! I never would have thought that after watching you wheel sometimes and especially seeing the pics from Gilmer :)

[YotaJosh]

Stay on topic folks.

The merits of a roll cage vs. a "one time use cab" can be debated in OT.

:)

[01yota]

can anyone point out the one thing i dont think any of us have that we NEED?

You talking about the fire extinguisher? I have one in my truck, but it's behind the seat, not as accessible as that one.

[domino]

You talking about the fire extinguisher? I have one in my truck, but it's behind the seat, not as accessible as that one.

Mine's locked in the toolbox.. That's real usefull..

[swimmerzack]

come on boys, Eagle scout code- Be Prepared :D

[Arky Tacoma]

Stay on topic folks.

The merits of a roll cage vs. a "one time use cab" can be debated in OT.

:)


Hey man, :flipoff1::flipoff2::flipoff3:

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[yaker]

More money!

X2. My money tree is almost dead.:(

[79coyotefrg]

You talking about the fire extinguisher? I have one in my truck, but it's behind the seat, not as accessible as that one.

DING DING DING, give that man a weiner :p


but seriously, Zack doesnt have the experience behind the wheel or wrench to tackle class 4 or 5 trails.

I am thinking some sort of roll protection if only some sort of hoop to keep the cab from crushing down, which reminds me i need to weld that brace on my "headache rack" ;)

[swimmerzack]

:D thanks pappa Glen.

yea all that and a front bumper

[domino]

DING DING DING, give that man a weiner :p


but seriously, Zack doesnt have the experience behind the wheel or wrench to tackle class 4 or 5 trails.

I am thinking some sort of roll protection if only some sort of hoop to keep the cab from crushing down, which reminds me i need to weld that brace on my "headache rack" ;)

I didn't have much wheeling experience either when I got the black truck. Before that I had only tackled some 2's and 3's in the 4runner and spent quite a few years riding passenger. I agree that you gotta start small, but with a truck that's already geared and locked you end up on the 4's pretty quick.

As far as the roll bar idea, look at that blue 2nd gen that was at gilmer. He had an allpro tube bed, but it did nothing for him when he rolled in the rock garden. The whole roof and a-pillar crushed in towards him, and that was probably a pretty soft roll.

[gittinit]

DING DING DING, give that man a weiner :p


but seriously, Zack doesnt have the experience behind the wheel or wrench to tackle class 4 or 5 trails.

I am thinking some sort of roll protection if only some sort of hoop to keep the cab from crushing down, which reminds me i need to weld that brace on my "headache rack" ;)

I completely agree thats why i recommended something like this for him, when he told me he wanted a flat bed.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l268/gittinit/Playin%202008/flatnastyspringof08019.jpg

[gittinit]

I didn't have much wheeling experience either when I got the black truck. Before that I had only tackled some 2's and 3's in the 4runner and spent quite a few years riding passenger. I agree that you gotta start small, but with a truck that's already geared and locked you end up on the 4's pretty quick.

As far as the roll bar idea, look at that blue 2nd gen that was at gilmer. He had an allpro tube bed, but it did nothing for him when he rolled in the rock garden. The whole roof and a-pillar crushed in towards him, and that was probably a pretty soft roll.

If the cab caved so easily with such a gentile roll, imagine what the outcome would be in a more violent rollover. I figure that guy was lucky. He could have easily been in a situation that would cause a tumble, type of rollover. With no rollbar, in a bad roll, we could be mourning him right now. Instead of dying, he went home, prolly to source another cab to swap on his rig. Better safe than sorry I say.

[OldTruck]

Michael,
I like the example bed on the blue truck.
How much tube do you figure is in that setup?
Recon we could fab something like that?
It's either something like that or a bed bob.
What'cha' think?
sab

[swimmerzack]

I completely agree thats why i recommended something like this for him, when he told me he wanted a flat bed.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l268/gittinit/Playin%202008/flatnastyspringof08019.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/Flat%20bed%20ideas%20for%20White%20stallion/100_3846.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/Flat%20bed%20ideas%20for%20White%20stallion/attachment-1.jpghttp://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/Flat%20bed%20ideas%20for%20White%20stallion/bed1.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/Flat%20bed%20ideas%20for%20White%20stallion/attachment.jpg

I like both of these ideas and they offer roll protectio and Mike there is that red one i sent you with tube on the cab

[gittinit]

Michael,
I like the example bed on the blue truck.
How much tube do you figure is in that setup?
Recon we could fab something like that?
It's either something like that or a bed bob.
What'cha' think?
sab

Whatever ya want to do Stacy . bed bobs are cheaper, but take body work to make em look good. I fo you stacy I recommend a bed bob and spend your $ on either the doubler, or tcase gears. I bet I know a college Kid (Jordan) who might be interested in your bed for his 4runner bob. The blue bed prolly has min 3 sticks of tube...possibly more like 4 if the bed crosmembers were tube as well. I would use some angle, or square for the bed floor though...heck I would use some expanded metal for the floor, so i could rinse it out easily.

Hey Stacy wanna make a road trip with me friday? I havta go to AL. 5.5 hr drive, each way...Bla!

[79coyotefrg]

I completely agree thats why i recommended something like this for him, when he told me he wanted a flat bed.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l268/gittinit/Playin%202008/flatnastyspringof08019.jpg

hey :) I like that, only make the bed narrow all the way up with room for a jerry can in front of the rear tire, like an old powerwagon, hell i might even want one :eek:

[Jordan7118]

Here's is by far the number one best mods you can do:


WHEEL


After that:


READ THE PIRATE FAQ


And then:


LEARN TO DRIVE


Maybe in a different order, but all three are crucial to actually feeling good about what you're doing.

How do I know? I web-wheel lug nuts off parked cars...





Seriously, congrats on gettin' something you can drive. You're money, time, and frustration ahead for not doing the Pre-Runner swap. PM if ya want some web-wheelin' advice.

[79coyotefrg]

he's a good kid, he shouldnt be exposed to those boneheads on Pirate, see how they screwed you up dont ya



:rofl:

[ArkieTaco]

:D thanks pappa Glen.

I'm kinda disturbed......

If you are wanting a flatbed. Check my build thread (don't have good enough internet to post link). I'll possibly sell it.

[domino]

I'm kinda disturbed......

If you are wanting a flatbed. Check my build thread (don't have good enough internet to post link). I'll possibly sell it.

Still thinking about going to a 4runner?

[ArkieTaco]

Stay on topic folks.

The merits of a roll cage vs. a "one time use cab" can be debated in OT.

:)

Don't want the thread nazi getting me :lmao: . It's all up in the air. We shall see in June!!

[79coyotefrg]

I'm kinda disturbed......

If you are wanting a flatbed. Check my build thread (don't have good enough internet to post link). I'll possibly sell it.

hey Sean are you thinking of selling the truck or just the flatbed??

hows Shiloh??

[ArkieTaco]

Keeping the truck or what will be left of it when I'm done rebuilding.

Selling flatbed.

[YotaJosh]

Keeping the truck or what will be left of it when I'm done rebuilding.

Selling flatbed.

Your truck was a longbed right?

Here's the thread with the pictures:
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80755

Zack - the black Taco and tan 1st gen you posted pics of are some of my favorite flatbeds (the trucks overall aren't bad either).

[ArkieTaco]

Your truck was a longbed right?

Yes sir!

[79coyotefrg]

i wonder if Michael could make it work on Zacks shortbed frame :dunno:

well we got the head off earlier the headgasket was blown REAL bad, but when i started looking it over there was a crack between #2 exhaust valve and the water jacket :(

Luckily for Zack I had a efi head, it is nasty dirty so we'll need it to be hot tanked but we needed to go to the machine shop anyway.

[domino]

i wonder if Michael could make it work on Zacks shortbed frame :dunno:

It can be done. Looks like the back of it is just behind the factory shackle, so approx 9" behind zach's shackle. Extend the frame a little bit and it ought to fit well. Plus, that will allow him to stretch the wheelbase a little bit.

[79coyotefrg]

that might work, he wants to do the F150 rears then rears upfront, he could mount the f150's in the stock mounts that would shove the rear axle back 4 inches

[Jordan7118]

see how they screwed you up dont ya


Yep, my shit works good :cool:

[Jordan7118]

he could mount the f150's in the stock mounts that would shove the rear axle back 4 inches

Maybe stock FRONT mount, but not stock rear mount. You're moving one or the other (usually both...)

You can have the cab-side rear leaf spring mounts off of my ride if you'd like. They'll be available once I french my springs. Only thing is that they're drilled for a 3/4" bolt.

[swimmerzack]

why will mine not work jordan?
whats wrong with a 3/4 bolt?

[domino]

why will mine not work jordan?
whats wrong with a 3/4 bolt?

You're gonna have to move mounts around to fit the longer F150s. Also, those springs use 9/16" bolts. Your hanger uses 18 or 19mm bolts (can't remember right now) and Jordan's have 3/4" bolts.

[swimmerzack]

so move the hanger forward and drill it out too fit a 3/4 right?

[domino]

IF you were to buy sean's flatbed, I would recommend buying all new mounts, placing a 9/16" hole spring hanger approx. where yours is currently and putting the shackle hanger right where the tube bed ends (possibly extending the framerail some)

[swimmerzack]

I think i'm going to end up building my own with Faber so i can have my own touch too it

[79coyotefrg]

Zack got the head put bAck together today, it will go on tomorrow

[gittinit]

Zack got the head put bAck together today, it will go on tomorrow

Sweet get it done!

[79coyotefrg]

Sweet get it done!

i'm surprised he's not here yet this morning, he must have been up late last night, oh how i wish i was young again :rofl:

do you have pictures of Stacy or Josh's front bumpers?? he's wanting something with a stinger.

[domino]

i'm surprised he's not here yet this morning, he must have been up late last night, oh how i wish i was young again :rofl:

do you have pictures of Stacy or Josh's front bumpers?? he's wanting something with a stinger.

I'm a fan of daniel's front bumper. simple and cheap.

[79coyotefrg]

well, we got the head on and torqued down Zack was zipping away at getting the intake bolts all in and then SNAP, he broke a intake bolt off, and it was right in front by the water ports so i told him he's have to take off the intake so we could get it out, I should have specified we'd try and remove the broken bolt without removing the head, but Zack got it off and was working at trying to drill out the bolt when something happened i guess the bit broke or something and he cut his hand bad enough it was bleeding :eek:

[Jordan7118]

he cut his hand bad enough it was bleeding :eek:

NO, NOT BLOOOOODDDD!!!!!


:lmao:


Makin' progress, Zack!

[yaker]

Now you just need some KM2s.;)

[79coyotefrg]

Now you just need some KM2s.;)

he has practically new BFG's I on the other hand :(

[gittinit]

i'm surprised he's not here yet this morning, he must have been up late last night, oh how i wish i was young again :rofl:

do you have pictures of Stacy or Josh's front bumpers?? he's wanting something with a stinger.

Yea we discussed it some already. I'm either gonna need him to have the winch to build around, or we could just get that TG winch mount and build from that. He is wanting something of his own taste though so we will just have to see what we can come up with.

[swimmerzack]

hey I think glen has a winch mount plate

[yaker]

he has practically new BFG's I on the other hand :(

Well I know a guy who knows a guy that has a set.;)

[gittinit]

hey I think glen has a winch mount plate

Got pics? we might be able to use it if he wants to get rid of it.

[swimmerzack]

yea, I'll get on it today for ya, how many sticks do we need to make a front bumper with stinger? hey do you still have those sliders off the duckling ?

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0190.jpg

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0189.jpg
here mike

[79coyotefrg]

i can always make another, i'd pull my winch off and send it up to keep him from buying that OTHER plate

[79coyotefrg]

Michael, his rockers are badly smashed, can you gut them and replace with like 4 inch tube :dunno:

[YotaJosh]

i can always make another, i'd pull my winch off and send it up to keep him from buying that OTHER plate

What, a BudBuilt plate?

http://www.budbuilt.com/new/winch_plates.html

:xdevil:

[79coyotefrg]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/haha.gif

[Jordan7118]

Here's a ballin' plate for ya...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=844969

[gittinit]

yea, I'll get on it today for ya, how many sticks do we need to make a front bumper with stinger? hey do you still have those sliders off the duckling ?

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0190.jpg

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0189.jpg
here mike

That looks like a nice pice. If your gonna use a winch like Glens we can build ya a nice tucked up bumper if you bring his winch for mockup. You might wind up limited to using that style of winch though.

Cutting out your rockers and replacing with tube is prolly a good idea if your rockers are currently trashed. It would give us a nice platform to build off of as well. Some 2x4 3/16, or 1/4 wall would work nice, with some 2x2 1/4 for legs to the frame.

If you want tube sliders we can make new ones or Jordan has the old ones off the duck. Youll have to work it out with him to get them , as far as i'm conscerned they are his now.

[Jordan7118]

If you want tube sliders we can make new ones or Jordan has the old ones off the duck. Youll have to work it out with him to get them , as far as i'm conscerned they are his now.

Effffff... Had I thought ahead, I would've brought them with me this weekend and DUMPED them on Sean's ass :lmao: (SARCASM - I really appreciate your help, Sean!)

As far as I'm concerned, whoever wants to clean them up and pay Michael Faber $30 can have them. I have the legs already notched for the tube. I believe they're for a regular cab / regular bed or 4runner, so dunno if they'd work for ya, Zack.

So... My bad... :o

If you're willing to lose A/C, you can tuck the winch waaaayyyy back there. Mine is trail-only, so it was a no-brainer for me.

[swimmerzack]

HELL NOO!! AC is what brings in the chicks :boobies:

well I'll ask Faber, if he thinks they will work then deal!!

Jordan i need to sell 2 cv's and a front diff keep your eyes out for any one that wants one

[Jordan7118]

HELL NOO!! AC is what brings in the chicks :boobies:

Wrong...

When do bikini tops come off? In the heat...


You know how I know you're gay, Zack?




Just messin' with ya :D

[gittinit]

They'll work fne. They always worked well on my rig before. I'd have kept them but I wanted a better base for my cage, and was loosing the rocker pannels that they once protected.

[swimmerzack]

hahah Jordan you turn the AC up so the girls come into your ride to cool off due too the heat then you flip hidden switch number 1 to Kill the AC so she starts to get hot. Then you wheel to a remote spot flip hidden switch number 2 too kill the truck. Finally give a bullshit excuse too the truck needs to cool down and then you have yor self a pleasant time with the :boobies: man if you didnt thing that one up your for sure gay. :P

Faber will they be fine to attach too the truck after cutting out the rockers?

[gittinit]

Faber will they be fine to attach too the truck after cutting out the rockers?

They won't really fit well with the rockers gone, they were built to fit under the rockers. It could be done but itl look like chit.

[gittinit]

hahah Jordan you turn the AC up so the girls come into your ride to cool off due too the heat then you flip hidden switch number 1 to Kill the AC so she starts to get hot. Then you wheel to a remote spot flip hidden switch number 2 too kill the truck. Finally give a bullshit excuse too the truck needs to cool down and then you have yor self a pleasant time with the :boobies: man if you didnt thing that one up your for sure gay. :P


You havent found many girls who fall for that one have you? :rolleyes:

[swimmerzack]

Ok then guess well just have to make our own then- they wouldnt fit my 04 exta cab taco?

lol hey its Arkansas anything can happen :D

[Jordan7118]

They won't really fit well with the rockers gone, they were built to fit under the rockers. It could be done but itl look like chit.

Maybe cut up the sliders and mount them outside of the "rocker replacement tube"? Then you'd have a nice pivot point to keep off the trees.

Did that make sense?

[YotaJosh]

Just buy and extra stick of tube when you make your tube bed order and be done with it. Sliders aren't rocket science - compared to the work in the tube bed.

I made my own with Michael's help. They weren't really that hard.

[gittinit]

Just buy and extra stick of tube when you make your tube bed order and be done with it. Sliders aren't rocket science - compared to the work in the tube bed.

I made my own with Michael's help. They weren't really that hard.

This is true after following along and learning the bender a bit, working on the bumper, he did all the work on the sliders himself. 2 bends on the sme plane, a bunch of notches, and ya gotta know how to read a tape measure. Its pretty simple stuff, just labor intenisve, and there is no need in over thinking any of it.

[79coyotefrg]

Zack, we can try and pull some of that huge dent out so the door kinda seals better then run those sliders :dunno:


um, yea that no a/c dont work so well on Arkie girls

[swimmerzack]

well I don't care what we do just as long as it looks good and works great.

Glen- mike told me if we just tighten up the door hinges the door should seal up better.

Along with the A/C topic, Yes it does work all too well

[79coyotefrg]

WELL HOPEFULLY


sorry stupid cap lock

off topic, but hows the swim conference going??

[swimmerzack]

lol well since you asked .... :D

have the fastests 100 fly time on our relay and tomorrow I'll have the chance to put my name in a couple of record books :D

see you sunday glen, save up some pills cause your going too need it :thumbs:

[79coyotefrg]

lol well since you asked .... :D

have the fastests 100 fly time on our relay and tomorrow I'll have the chance to put my name in a couple of record books :D

see you sunday glen, save up some pills cause your going too need it :thumbs:

:aahg:

[79coyotefrg]

http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/sportlich/h015.gif

[gittinit]

well I don't care what we do just as long as it looks good and works great.
Glen- mike told me if we just tighten up the door hinges the door should seal up better.

Along with the A/C topic, Yes it does work all too well

We can hanle that no problem, but the looks good crteria is an opinion and its your call. You just need to make your decision which ya want before we order materials, and we will roll with it!

[swimmerzack]

You going to meet and gReat?

[gittinit]

You going to meet and gReat?

Its looking like i might make it.

[swimmerzack]

great- i'll bring up the stallion and we can talk about ideas- going to buy the steel with my card or i would give you cash so you could get it.

[gittinit]

great- i'll bring up the stallion and we can talk about ideas- going to buy the steel with my card or i would give you cash so you could get it.

When are you going to come up? i don't want to be tripping over steel for weeks, so le know when and we will work outthe details. I'd rather you pay for the steel yourself. I will make up you order and instructions to keep it simple for ya though. I just need a day or 2 to get it prepared.

[swimmerzack]

i'm still working on it- ok if you can get the order set up I can pay

[gittinit]

i'm still working on it- ok if you can get the order set up I can pay

Ok...
Cut out rockers replace witth square..
cut out rockers, and use tube....
leave rockers and build sliders under em...
leave sliders and use the sliders jordan currently has....

Pick an option so i can make your materials list as accurate as possible.

[swimmerzack]

which is stronger?

or its just personal preference?

is there a way to make my full doors be removable like half doors- similar to the jeep design?

[domino]

which is stronger?

or its just personal preference?

is there a way to make my full doors be removable like half doors- similar to the jeep design?

It's all just personal preference. Cutting out the rockers will give you better ground clearance. Square will probably match up with the cab better, but you're using tube for everything else. If it was me, I'd use square (actually I wouldn't do anything since the rockers are already trashed but that's not the point.)

And yeah, there's a way to make your doors removable. Unbolt them. Tada!

[swimmerzack]

man i should just :suicide: for not thinking up that!!!

I want to be able to pull them off and put them on- 10 min tops

[domino]

man i should just :suicide: for not thinking up that!!!

I want to be able to pull them off and put them on- 10 min tops

I can usually pull mine on or off in a couple of minutes.

[swimmerzack]

just by unbolting them???

is it easy to put back on??

[gittinit]

just by unbolting them???

is it easy to put back on??

You can notch the upper hole in the hinge and leave that bolt in the door, and use a ratchet wrench to install and remove them. You can also get a bit more involved and install removeable pins. Either method should requie minimal if any alignment.

The details are in the link Jordan and I both posted for you. "the pirate 4x4 faq" read it, and depending on what you absorb, you should be able to build this toy into a verry capable beast. Seriously i spent a year reading and tinkering before diving into my 1st build, then there were still plenty things i had to redo.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=775780

[domino]

just by unbolting them???

is it easy to put back on??

Yup, I just unbolt them. I modified my hinge a little to make them easier to get back on. The top hole on the top hinge is cut open so I can thread a bolt in the door and slide it onto the hinge. That holds the door up when I thread the other bolts in. If that doesn't make sense, you'll have to check them out next time we go wheelin.

[YotaJosh]

just by unbolting them???

is it easy to put back on??

You need to do some reading and searching (Pirate FAQ is a good start)! There's about 4 different ways to yank them off...

1. Just unbolt them
2. Remove the hinge pins and replace with quick pins from the hardware/tractor store
3. Notch the top bolt holes of the hinge on the door side, to aide you in lining up the doors when you want to put them back on. Same as #1 basically.
4. Cut the top section of the body side hinge so all you have left is a little nub for the door to hinge on.

[domino]

You can notch the upper hole in the hinge and leave that bolt in the door, and use a ratchetwrench to install and remove them. You an alos get a bit more involved and install removeable pins. Either method should requie minimal if any alignment.

The details are in the link Jordan and I both posted for you. "the pirate 4x4 faq" read it, and depending on what you absorb, you should be able to build this toy into a verry capable beast. Seriously i spent a year reading and tinkering before diving into my 1st build, then there were still plenty things i had to redo.

Beat me to it! But I definitely agree on reading up before you do anything. I probably read the pirate faq and tech section for a year before I even bought a mini-truck and many times after that before I started doing any major modifications. You'll be better off reading all you can and doing what YOU think is necessary instead of doing whatever we suggest..

[swimmerzack]

WELL BOYS AND GIRLS.... IT LIVES!!!!! YES IT LIVES!!!

Started on fixing the springs today maybe have itdone soon!!!

Oh and Yes I have been reading the forums more then my text books :thumbs:

[domino]

WELL BOYS AND GIRLS.... IT LIVES!!!!! YES IT LIVES!!!

Started on fixing the springs today maybe have itdone soon!!!

Oh and Yes I have been reading the forums more then my text books :thumbs:

Good deal! What are you doing to the springs?

[Jordan7118]

You'll be better off reading all you can and doing what YOU think is necessary instead of doing whatever we suggest..

Words to live by :cool:

Yea, what's up with your springs?

[swimmerzack]

well the fronts are flat as a virgins tits, so were going to beef them up some :D
The Rears doing what glen and Josh suggested F150's for the rear, U-Bolt flip kit glen had laying around too :D

Selling alot of my conversion parts so soon will have money for flat bed, front bumper and Sliders :cool:

[gittinit]

well the fronts are flat as a virgins tits, so were going to beef them up some :D
The Rears doing what glen and Josh suggested F150's for the rear, U-Bolt flip kit glen had laying around too :D

Selling alot of my conversion parts so soon will have money for flat bed, front bumper and Sliders :cool:

Better do a, j arm ball flip, and carry a spare arm around with ya! Toyota designed those springs flat, and there isnt a whole lot of flexability in the steering system for adding flex, or lift.

[swimmerzack]

heard that was a bad idea due too that arm in tempered and once you weld too it i cracks easier

[domino]

heard that was a bad idea due too that arm in tempered and once you weld too it i cracks easier

Josh and I both wheeled the piss out of the same flipped j-arm and never had any cracking. I did pull the ball out once thanks to the less than ideal welder that was used. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again if I was still running stock steering.

[YotaJosh]

Josh and I both wheeled the piss out of the same flipped j-arm and never had any cracking. I did pull the ball out once thanks to the less than ideal welder that was used. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again if I was still running stock steering.

Yep, I ran it for 1.5 years before I sold it to Aaron. And, yes, the welder I used sucked. :o I never had a problem with it other than that.

Aaron - do you still have those arms and drag link? Just wondering if you ever sold them.

[swimmerzack]

Yea, Aaron do you still have them:rolleyes:

[domino]

Sorry Zach, I ended up selling those parts a couple months ago. I sat on them for a year with no one wanting to buy them.

[YotaJosh]

Just get high steer and don't be a trail tampon. :)

[Jordan7118]

If money only grew on trees...


Zack, I'll make ya a deal on this adapter and 23 spline case. PM if interested...

[swimmerzack]

Hmm high steer, or Armor :rolleyes:

[domino]

Have you already found a set of rear springs? I've got some ranger springs (same dimensions as F150s, just with less leaves) that I would sell cheap. I've decided to go a different route.

[gittinit]

Hmm high steer, or Armor :rolleyes:

Thats a no brainer..... Highsteer!

[swimmerzack]

haha ok you caught me, why?

[domino]

haha ok you caught me, why?

b/c the truck's already beat to hell and histeer will make a world of difference in wheelability.. :cool:

[swimmerzack]

wow wow it has feelings. We call it Character, not beat to hell.

So Armor is second to high steer???

[domino]

wow wow it has feelings. We call it Character, not beat to hell.

So Armor is second to high steer???

You've seen my truck, so take any advice with a grain of salt... The trucks already got plenty of "character". There's not much point in armor if there's nothing to protect anymore. IMO, cosmetics are dead last in priority. No one wants to be stuck behind a broken truck on the trail b/c it's owner spent their money on a fancy tube bed instead of stronger parts.

[Jordan7118]

If it runs, you should get it to Superlift with Glen and see what works and what doesn't. That's really the only way you're going to learn what is best for YOU and YOUR truck.

Aaron's priorities are much different than my priorities, which are much different than Person X, or Person Y, or Person Z.

If you're going to see Faber, I'd put sliders and front bumper high on the priority list. Keep the bed for now. If it gets fubar'd, what have you lost? Nothing.

Dave Lay is about to put a Marlin high steer kit up for sale. You should contact him to get first dibs. Then you'll need an IFS power steering box which can be had from Pick-n-Pull in Little Rock (where the doors you want are located) for $50.

So, I'd put first on your list to do some WHEELING in Hot Springs. Take Glen, take a friend, take somebody knowledgeable about wheeling. Or go with someone, maybe Daniel (Bismarck isn't that far for him....), and learn from him.

You can throw all the money in the world on modifications that Person X, Y, or Z THINKS you need because it worked for them, but everyone wheels differently. Daniel wheels like a KOH racer. I wheel like a turtle. Most people wheel somewhere in between. You have to figure out what works for you.



Sorry for the long-winded speech. Maybe this time it will stick :D

[gittinit]

If it runs, you should get it to Superlift with Glen and see what works and what doesn't. That's really the only way you're going to learn what is best for YOU and YOUR truck.

Aaron's priorities are much different than my priorities, which are much different than Person X, or Person Y, or Person Z.

If you're going to see Faber, I'd put sliders and front bumper high on the priority list. Keep the bed for now. If it gets fubar'd, what have you lost? Nothing.

Dave Lay is about to put a Marlin high steer kit up for sale. You should contact him to get first dibs. Then you'll need an IFS power steering box which can be had from Pick-n-Pull in Little Rock (where the doors you want are located) for $50.

So, I'd put first on your list to do some WHEELING in Hot Springs. Take Glen, take a friend, take somebody knowledgeable about wheeling. Or go with someone, maybe Daniel (Bismarck isn't that far for him....), and learn from him.

You can throw all the money in the world on modifications that Person X, Y, or Z THINKS you need because it worked for them, but everyone wheels differently. Daniel wheels like a KOH racer. I wheel like a turtle. Most people wheel somewhere in between. You have to figure out what works for you.



Sorry for the long-winded speech. Maybe this time it will stick :D

Oh man I rember telling you to wheel, wheel, and wheel some more, Jordan. I'm glad some of that sunk in. ;) That speech sounds like something I would have said to you a few yars ago. We all start somewhere, and I feel youll be a better driver if you work your way up in mods and in tire size.

It dosent matter what your truck looks like, how much lift, or how big and round yours are if ya aint willng to use em. Most everybody on this forum, or in the rock crawling comunity agree its function over form every time. Kinda as I stated about tube being ugly.....it has its purpose, and its purpose is not to look good.

Have ya finished reading that Pirate faq yet, or do ya keep getting distracted by pretty tube work, like I used to?

[swimmerzack]

hahaha, I really read alot but got disctracted with tube bumpers and beds and so forth lol ahha

[Jordan7118]

http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152107

Darn good deal on quality high-steer with ARP studs.

[swimmerzack]

HIGH STEER WE NOW HAVE!!!

Faber this does not get you off the hook for the fabing :D wish we could do it over my spring break but it may have to wait till after due too were going to need lots of time and me with money. Still want the quote so I can get you what you need to help my rig stand out like a set of :boobies:

[gittinit]

Well don't put it all off to long as I have work to do on my own rig. Its currently in the deconstruction stage again. :saw:

What all your wanting is gonna take alot of time as well. you should consider biting off smaller bits of the fabwork, for monetary, and time limits. I'm gonna take longer on the Quote as well. I have to work over time all week, and may not get as much time as I need to get it done promptly.

[79coyotefrg]

HIGH STEER WE NOW HAVE!!!

Faber this does not get you off the hook for the fabing :D wish we could do it over my spring break but it may have to wait till after due too were going to need lots of time and me with money. Still want the quote so I can get you what you need to help my rig stand out like a set of :boobies:

:woot:

[Arky Tacoma]

I wheel like a turtle.


You wheel?



:p

[swimmerzack]

good point mike, how we just do the front bumper and rockers/sliders for now-
i need to use my tow bar mounting brackets on the front bumper so i can flat tow the rig back to texas when i need it-

take your time on it but I still want the total quote just so i can get funding for you!!

[Jordan7118]

You wheel?



:p

According to Michael Faber, NO :D

I used to wheel, but I'm afraid to mess up my paint :(

[swimmerzack]

Man im the newbie of the group and I bet I wheel before you :p

[YotaJosh]

Man im the newbie of the group and I bet I wheel before you :p

:lmao::lmao: BAZINGA!

[79coyotefrg]

Man im the newbie of the group and I bet I wheel before you :p

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/winnersmiley.gif



he wheels but he just cant wheel more than one trail a weekend before Snoop wants to lay on his side and take a nap :p

[Jordan7118]

Man im the newbie of the group and I bet I wheel before you :p

How 'bout I lead you around Superlift next time we're there? I'll show you a good time :cool:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/winnersmiley.gif
he wheels but he just cant wheel more than one trail a weekend before Snoop wants to lay on his side and take a nap :p

Everybody's got jokes...

So, Glen, when's the last time you wheeled a 4? Heck, maybe even a 3? :rolleyes:

And for the record, that flop happened on the Thursday evening pre-run before I wheeled the next two days. What's your excuse, Glen :p


PS Somebody buy my shift so I can get on the trails sooner! Haha!!!

[swimmerzack]

How 'bout I lead you around Superlift next time we're there? I'll show you a good time :cool:





Hey man, thanks :D thats really nice of ya

[79coyotefrg]

How 'bout I lead you around Superlift next time we're there? I'll show you a good time :cool:



Everybody's got jokes...

So, Glen, when's the last time you wheeled a 4? Heck, maybe even a 3? :rolleyes:

And for the record, that flop happened on the Thursday evening pre-run before I wheeled the next two days. What's your excuse, Glen :p


PS Somebody buy my shift so I can get on the trails sooner! Haha!!!

hey you know what my hold up is http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/crutches.gif

whats YOUR excuse :D


what do ya need?? a new tcase housing ?? i might can help ya out cheap :dunno:

[79coyotefrg]

Hey man, thanks :D thats really nice of ya

hey dont follow him you see his rig is always broke dont ya :eek:

[Jordan7118]

Hey man, thanks :D thats really nice of ya

It's the least I can do...

hey you know what my hold up is http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/crutches.gif

whats YOUR excuse :D


what do ya need?? a new tcase housing ?? i might can help ya out cheap :dunno:

hey dont follow him you see his rig is always broke dont ya :eek:

Zack's never seen my rig...

Broke? No. Getting improved? Yes. BIIIIIGGGG difference. This isn't my DD, so I get to do what I want... as slowly as I like :p

I don't need any parts. If you'll read closely in the other thread, I said that I fixed it with parts from a spare case. Thanks, though!

I'm still wondering what your excuse is. Vaginitis :p

[gittinit]

According to Michael Faber, NO :D

I used to wheel, but I'm afraid to mess up my paint :(

Yall don't be picking on my buddy Jordan. He's seen more web trails than anyone I know. He even said somewhere that he crashed his computer! Now thats hardcore. :D

[swimmerzack]

haha that is tough!

hey, hows the 19-28 look for fabing up my truck

[gittinit]

haha that is tough!

hey, hows the 19-28 look for fabing up my truck

Speaking of tough... I'll have to check with my wife and see whats up those dates.

[swimmerzack]

hey i'll get us :xbeer2: if needs be

[Jordan7118]

Yall don't be picking on my buddy Jordan. He's seen more web trails than anyone I know. He even said somewhere that he crashed his computer! Now thats hardcore. :D

Yea, so piss off :p

[swimmerzack]

Jordan I know its tough for you but hey real men :xcrybaby: so you just hang in there and someday you can play with the big boys

[Jordan7118]

Jordan I know its tough for you but hey real men :xcrybaby: so you just hang in there and someday you can play with the big boys

Please, oh, PLEASE let me lead you around Superlift :D

We'll have the best of times :cool:

Be sure to pack a trail lunch... and maybe dinner, too... :D

[Jordan7118]

PS Buy my shit :D

[Boomtacoma01]

You guys have a lot of good ideas. I too am in the process of building up an 85. Yall dont mind if I lurk a little? The TX guys except for about four of them all have runners and I like truck builds.

Zach was this the truck on CL a while back? If it was you beat me to it?

BTW I had a great time at TO this past year and hopefully next time I come up I can wheel a couple harder trails with yall.

[swimmerzack]

Hey man, sure all are welcome. If you have any ideas come on and share :D
Not sure i was in Texarkana and thats hour from me so i grabbed it :D

[Boomtacoma01]

Im in the process of getting gears (529's) and lockers this week. A detroit rear and aussie front, then highsteer and im tapped :)

[swimmerzack]

Why not just weld the rear and save some money? Just idea, it's what I got. Our set up is very close minus your front is locked

[Boomtacoma01]

I am going to DD it a little and i have never been a big fan of the ol lincoln locker. No offense its an inexpensive mod, just not to my liking.

Great build so far.

Post up some pics of any progress.

[swimmerzack]

:D thank you.

lincon locker is less DD freindly??

[79coyotefrg]

I am going to DD it a little and i have never been a big fan of the ol lincoln locker. No offense its an inexpensive mod, just not to my liking.

Great build so far.

Post up some pics of any progress.

Chris, look into the new "Grizzly" locker made by Yukon, its a full carrier locker like the detroit but is supposed to engage smoother

hope you can make it up here in April :kewl:

[79coyotefrg]

:D thank you.

lincon locker is less DD freindly??

yes its not a daily driver kinda locker, come on out here and i'll lock my elocker and show you

[Dropmytaco]

Why not just weld the rear and save some money?

i welded my rear end and that shit SUCKED! didnt help me wheel any better at all!
http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/43978/2059412130104836601S425x425Q85.jpg

[gittinit]

Ha ha welded up solid! :D

[gittinit]

haha that is tough!

hey, hows the 19-28 look for fabing up my truck

hey i'll get us :xbeer2: if needs be

Speaking of tough... I'll have to check with my wife and see whats up those dates.

Well it seems as though I'm gonna be workin that week, but the weekeds are good for me. If you wanted to come up friday and stay till sunday afternoon we can knock out alot of fab work. Oh and its a NO on the drinking. If you want to get something done we don't need to be drinking.

[domino]

yes its not a daily driver kinda locker, come on out here and i'll lock my elocker and show you

I totally disagree. I drove my black truck welded all over fayetteville and never had an issue. You just have to learn how to drive with it. I'd rather be spooled and know what the truck's gonna do than have an auto-locker and have it lock up when I wasn't expecting it. If someone lived in a city with a bunch of tight corners, parking lots, and snow I might reconsider but in rural Arkansas there's no reason someone couldn't dd with a spool.

[swimmerzack]

:D great- hey you coming too the meeting next weekend?

if i get a that figure i shot you earlier and add half of it too how long would it take you to get front sliders and bed totally done SO i can rattle can it black

[79coyotefrg]

I totally disagree. I drove my black truck welded all over fayetteville and never had an issue. You just have to learn how to drive with it. I'd rather be spooled and know what the truck's gonna do than have an auto-locker and have it lock up when I wasn't expecting it. If someone lived in a city with a bunch of tight corners, parking lots, and snow I might reconsider but in rural Arkansas there's no reason someone couldn't dd with a spool.

good point.

hey anyone have an open carrier laying around??

[domino]

good point.

hey anyone have an open carrier laying around??

Daniel has a 4cyl carrier I believe. He might trade or sell for cheap

[swimmerzack]

I totally disagree. I drove my black truck welded all over fayetteville and never had an issue. You just have to learn how to drive with it. I'd rather be spooled and know what the truck's gonna do than have an auto-locker and have it lock up when I wasn't expecting it. If someone lived in a city with a bunch of tight corners, parking lots, and snow I might reconsider but in rural Arkansas there's no reason someone couldn't dd with a spool.

what about welded??

[domino]

what about welded??

same concept

[Jordan7118]

hey anyone have an open carrier laying around??

Got one in Hot Springs. 4 cyl with 4.10s. PM if ya want/need it.

[Boomtacoma01]

Chris, look into the new "Grizzly" locker made by Yukon, its a full carrier locker like the detroit but is supposed to engage smoother

hope you can make it up here in April :kewl:

I was looking at those as well. Money is just a little tight. I had given up on finding a trail rig so I modded my 09 and spent a ton. Now I have a trail rig and less money to work with. :doh:

Oh well I can mod my trail rig at my own pace.

Whats going on in April?


DUH AR Takeover.......

[gittinit]

:D great- hey you coming too the meeting next weekend?

if i get a that figure i shot you earlier and add half of it too how long would it take you to get front sliders and bed totally done SO i can rattle can it black

Were lookig at about 2 to 3 weekends worth of work for the 2 of us. The better we work together and multi task the quicker it will come along. I dunno if I'm gonna make the meeting or not. i will try.

[79coyotefrg]

Got one in Hot Springs. 4 cyl with 4.10s. PM if ya want/need it.

sweet, i can show Zack how to swap his locked front when we install his histeer kit, no since in him tearing his front axle down twice, then he can give Michael the locker when he gets up there to build the armor

[swimmerzack]

Faber, your week days are too busy too work on it right??

[gittinit]

Faber, your week days are too busy too work on it right??

Yep. I work 11pm to 7am, sunday nights through friday mornings. I sleep days, then family time in the evenings. If I were a young single pup like yourself it might be a different story.

If your conscerned about making so many trips this far, mabye ya can break it into smaller bits as I suggested before. We can prolly knock out the sliders, and bumper in a weekend. We could then possibly tackle the bed in another long weekend, perhaps around a holiday like mamorial day, when I'm off work and extra day. Easter sunday will be taken up buy family fyi.

[gittinit]

sweet, i can show Zack how to swap his locked front when we install his histeer kit, no since in him tearing his front axle down twice, then he can give Michael the locker when he gets up there to build the armor

So your helping with this? Thats cool, I thought it was another thing I was gonna help with. All i had for Zack was a open carrier I was gonna help swap in the bearings are junk in the 3rd member, I was gonna pull it from. I hate to see ya pay for something that ya could just have for free but it sounds like itl be more convient for ya to buy Jordans 3rd. Besides there isnt much better of a guy to buy stuff from, he will take care of ya!

[Jordan7118]

Besides there isnt much better of a guy to buy stuff from, he will take care of ya!

You make me blush :o


Zack, third is all yours, mayne.

[swimmerzack]

Well boys and Girls cough jordan. Glen has a open third but now i found out my drivers Knuckle is bad so there is another 180$ for the kit- think I may hold off on the carrier and the knckle due too my dad is willing to help me out with only building the bed, front bumper and sliders.... I do have rear springs up front now and high steer!!!

Mike you and I may still end up doing that plus the knuckle rebuild kit. I hope your floor is compfy due too I may be there alot

[domino]

Well boys and Girls cough jordan. Glen has a open third but now i found out my drivers Knuckle is bad so there is another 180$ for the kit- think I may hold off on the carrier and the knckle due too my dad is willing to help me out with only building the bed, front bumper and sliders.... I do have rear springs up front now and high steer!!!

Mike you and I may still end up doing that plus the knuckle rebuild kit. I hope your floor is compfy due too I may be there alot

So you're gonna blow your budget on fancy tube work, but not fix the knuckle or replace the diff on your truck? That makes zero sense.. Get the truck running and wheeling reliably before anything else.

[swimmerzack]

Hey I totally agree, but my dad is a one time one helper kinda of guy if I dont take his generosity the chances of him helping me out in the future are slim.

I have a open carrier from faber, glen and Jordan I just hate to tear the front axle apart and then have to do it again due to not having the knuckle kit.

Sold some stuff today and I may have enough for the Knuckle rebuild it now, should i go ahead and get the one with new wheel bearings or with out??

Im thinking with though-

[YotaJosh]

Sold some stuff today and I may have enough for the Knuckle rebuild it now, should i go ahead and get the one with new wheel bearings or with out??

Im thinking with though-

You may not need them. Check with Nathan (the previous owner) and see if he ever replaced them.

As long as they have been packed once and a while, and they aren't abused (ran hot/lots of water/etc) then you might be safe reusing them. Check the races and individual bearings for pits and funny spots.

[swimmerzack]

Races?? Remeber Josh Im new to all this??

the rebuild kit is 85$ with bearing is an extra 90$
the driver side is leaking fluid bad
Getting ahold of Nathan is like meeting a Rockstar kinda hard.

[domino]

Races?? Remeber Josh Im new to all this??

the rebuild kit is 85$ with bearing is an extra 90$
the driver side is leaking fluid bad
Getting ahold of Nathan is like meeting a Rockstar kinda hard.

When you tear it apart, the race will be the smooth surface that the bearing sits inside and spins against. The bearing and race are typically a matched set; when you replace one, you replace the other.

I went ahead and ordered new wheel bearings when I rebuilt mine just in case. It turned out one side looked great while the other fell apart when we pulled it out. I replaced them both and saved the good set as a spare.

[swimmerzack]

yea thats what I was thinking about doing and just not risk them being bad-
Also need longer break lines too

[domino]

Also need longer break lines too

Oreilly Auto part # BH177260. Rear brake line from an 83 celica works great to extend your stock lines. Not as fancy as braided steel lines, but is a cheap alternative at $9/ea.

[gittinit]

Well boys and Girls cough jordan. Glen has a open third but now i found out my drivers Knuckle is bad so there is another 180$ for the kit- think I may hold off on the carrier and the knckle due too my dad is willing to help me out with only building the bed, front bumper and sliders.... I do have rear springs up front now and high steer!!!

Mike you and I may still end up doing that plus the knuckle rebuild kit. I hope your floor is compfy due too I may be there alot

I have a spare bed/bedroom, I will let ya share wit the dog. ;) She likes to spoon. ;)


Just couse the knucle is leaking dosent mean anythng is bad besides the inner axle seals. I'd say there is 100% chance the inner axle seals got toasted duing a birf break, and not replaced. Marlin sells some awesome inner axle seals.

I still run stock brake lines up front as well. You can relocate the frame mounts and tweak the lower mounts so as the rubber lines allow enough movement.

To check your wheel bearings jack up the front then try to, tilt the top of the tire towards the frame then away. If it wiggles an unacceptable amount they are guarnteed bad. Glen could prolly show ya how to do this, just don't make him do the tuging, as he is fragile as is.

[swimmerzack]

Oreilly Auto part # BH177260. Rear brake line from an 83 celica works great to extend your stock lines. Not as fancy as braided steel lines, but is a cheap alternative at $9/ea.

can i just buy 4 of those for my front??

[swimmerzack]

FAber you got it

[domino]

can i just buy 4 of those for my front??

Just buy one for each side. They have one male and one female fitting so they screw onto the lines you already have to extend them. Thus, you will have your stock 17" or so line plus the 11" celica line for a total of 28" +/-

[swimmerzack]

the stock ones are kinda worn, but I think I'll do that and just wait till my birthday to get the braided ones from my sister :D

[domino]

the stock ones are kinda worn, but I think I'll do that and just wait till my birthday to get the braided ones from my sister :D

Well in that case, you should be doing more Pirate FAQ reading...

Brake Lines
Toyota Fittings are 10mm x 1.00 thread with an inverted flare.
One piece 23" long replacement brake line for the front is Napa #38688
[EDIT: This turns out to be a front line from a 90-96 Nissan 300ZX if you wanna get one from somewhere else.]

Looks like these are 17 bucks at Oreilly and probably cheaper if you shop around..

[79coyotefrg]

Zack, i think you need to come over tomorrow and we'll see how the wheel bearings look.

[79coyotefrg]

hanging the full weight of the axle off the brakeline wasnt real good for it either

[swimmerzack]

Yea, wheel bearings need to figure that out big time- what kind of damage could it of done??

might just need to replace the entire brake line from nappa or some where else until Birthday

[gittinit]

The pics you keep requesting are now here for your referance.....proposed tube bed design:

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm55/toydanota/008.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm55/toydanota/009.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm55/toydanota/010.jpg

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Imagine the tube that comes up behind the cab as a single piece going from passenger side to driver side. Instead of the tube continuing over the cab and down the a pillars, it will dead end at the rear of the cab .

[gittinit]

Brake Lines
Toyota Fittings are 10mm x 1.00 thread with an inverted flare.
ProComp #7210 are Longer than stock Stainless Steel brake lines. (set of three)
One piece 23" long replacement brake line for the front is Napa #38688
[EDIT: This turns out to be a front line from a 90-96 Nissan 300ZX if you wanna get one from somewhere else.]

The flexible rear brake line (goes from the hardline to the rear axle) is commonly used for extending the front and rear brakes lines since it has one male end and one female end. So when these lines are swapped inline with the stock lines, and you will have plenty of room for extra lift and flexy suspensions. The Napa #38256 is the stock length (19" long) rear flexible brake hose. Napa #36881 is 11" long if you need one a bit shorter.

[swimmerzack]

you have a plasma cutter right git?

[gittinit]

you have a plasma cutter right git?

Yea why? What are ya cooking up now? Tips are expensive so I try not to use it on dirty or painted metal unless its the best tool for the job.

[swimmerzack]

could you make some rear hangers for my F150 springs and a IFS mounting bracket??

[domino]

could you make some rear hangers for my F150 springs and a IFS mounting bracket??

It's a hell of a lot easier to just buy them from somewhere. They're pretty cheap from most vendors. You could just take a chopsaw to some 3" square for spring hangers and drill some holes though. No need to make this job more complicated than it is.

[swimmerzack]

Yea guess I could buy them but where is the fun in that.

thats a great Idea thanks Aaron. Have you moved yet?

WHat do you guys think about the Bed Proposal??

[gittinit]

could you make some rear hangers for my F150 springs and a IFS mounting bracket??

The ifs box mount bracket is no prob, but your better off to buy some spring hangers. Check into your options, as you might consider sinking the hangers into the frame.

[swimmerzack]

yea I think I'll buy the box hanger and the rear hangers??
what Advantages do you get when you frence the hangers???

[gittinit]

Stay on topic folks.

The merits of a roll cage vs. a "one time use cab" can be debated in OT.

:)

What was the topic anyhow? I forget. :p

[YotaJosh]

What was the topic anyhow? I forget. :p

7 pages of chit-chat, 0 pages of work. :missingto

[79coyotefrg]

hey Zack, its sunshiney I got those birfields on the bench, we need to get those knuckles tore down and soaking in paint thinner and get that housing cleaned and get all those brackets you dont need cut off

[domino]

Did you ever make it to pick-n-pull? Looks like Little Rock already scrapped all of their pickups since I went. Cabot still lists a few.

[swimmerzack]

Glen Yea not today glen busy with papers, maybe wednesday or thursday.
Aaron-Yea josh and I went saturday, saw a few things 2 trucks that still had front axles on them.

[Jordan7118]

Aaron-Yea josh and I went saturday, saw a few things 2 trucks that still had front axles on them.

What front axles?

[YotaJosh]

What front axles?

There's an 82 Trekker and a 85 4Runner there with complete front axles.

Edit: they are around $200 a piece right now. I wanted to get them, but I don't have the cash.

[Jordan7118]

There's an 82 Trekker and a 85 4Runner there with complete front axles.

Edit: they are around $200 a piece right now. I wanted to get them, but I don't have the cash.

That's not a terrible price... but I don't have much use for one of those. Those would be good to have for someone running stock stuff.

[swimmerzack]

WHat do you guys think about the bed, me and faber found

[swimmerzack]

DAMN!!! My houseing is bent so any of you guys have one??
Or im going to pick-n pull- like at 8am and getting the 85 runners front houseing

[gittinit]

DAMN!!! My houseing is bent so any of you guys have one??
Or im going to pick-n pull- like at 8am and getting the 85 runners front houseing

How did ya come to that conclusion?

[swimmerzack]

when i pullled the birf out it was some what harder then the other, I put a square up too it and its off by 2 degrees, or so and the seal inside the axle is worn on only one side.

[79coyotefrg]

more than 2 degrees, its bent at the spring perch, it had to have hit a BIG rock with the drivers side front tire

straight edge showed by the end of the tube where the balls are welded on it was 1/4 off

[gittinit]

:dunno: Dibs on your bent housing. 2* dosent scare me but I understand.....ya might as well put it together and know its right, atleast till you hit that 1st trail. I hit big rocks all the time with my axle. I have no truss and I just rescently added knuckle ball gussets, to the underside of the knuckle balls. I bet my housing is bent to, but mine is trail only. :dunno:

[swimmerzack]

faber, its yours. http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0209.jpg

My new high steer kit-[/IMG]http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0210.jpg

Our new lift :Dhttp://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/swimmerzack/White%20Stallion-85%20yota%20build/IMG_0208.jpg

some progress

[gittinit]

Have you considered straightening the housing? You do have a torch and you can hold it straight while you weld that truss in place. ;)

[Jordan7118]

If you have the money, Zack, it might be worth it to take the ENTIRE front axle out of pick-n-pull. I think locking hubs are going for about $75, or $100 shipped. You could use some replacement birfs, and there are lots of other parts that'd be nice to have as spares, like hub studs. Just a thought from your neighborhood web-wheeler at no cost to ya :cool:

[YotaJosh]

If you have the money, Zack, it might be worth it to take the ENTIRE front axle out of pick-n-pull. I think locking hubs are going for about $75, or $100 shipped. You could use some replacement birfs, and there are lots of other parts that'd be nice to have as spares, like hub studs. Just a thought from your neighborhood web-wheeler at no cost to ya :cool:

Sounds like what I told you last night on the phone,Zach. :D

Then you could take some profit from that and buy some jack stands.

[domino]

Or you could see if Jay Johnson would sell one of his housings.. I know he's got at least two laying around if not more.

[Jordan7118]

I've got one I'd sell ya. It has a bottom truss that's mid-length, so I think it's 82/83. PM if you're interested. It's in Hot Springs and you'd have to come get it.

[gittinit]

Then you could take some profit from that and buy some jack stands.

But tree tumps are where its at! Mabye ya should take a lil time and carve some decorative art into the tree stumps. :D

[swimmerzack]

Right after I get my new knuckle rebuild kit, front houseing, Rear Ifs houseing, rear disc brakes and 1' bore master cylinder installed, along with all Faber Fab work done! then I'll start with the Artsy fartsy stuff

[79coyotefrg]

But tree tumps are where its at! Mabye ya should take a lil time and carve some decorative art into the tree stumps. :D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/bat.gif But the wood blocks were handy and the jack stands were being used at the time. :rolleyes: geeze my junky shop and you complain about Zacks wood. wait, that sounded gay http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/stageleft.gif

[79coyotefrg]

Have you considered straightening the housing? You do have a torch and you can hold it straight while you weld that truss in place. ;)

who has a torch?? its bent at the spring hanger, back toward the rear of the truck so the tire wouldnt lean at all but i dont think it would ever keep a seal

[79coyotefrg]

Dave has set him up with a front housing :thumbs:

[gittinit]

who has a torch?? its bent at the spring hanger, back toward the rear of the truck so the tire wouldnt lean at all but i dont think it would ever keep a seal

I'll still take it if the price is right.

[gittinit]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/bat.gif But the wood blocks were handy and the jack stands were being used at the time. :rolleyes: geeze my junky shop and you complain about Zacks wood. wait, that sounded gay http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/stageleft.gif

Wow you cought my sarcasm this time. :rolleyes:

[swimmerzack]

Faber, I'll bring it up and well work out all that stuff later- You want my Rear houseing too

[gittinit]

Faber, I'll bring it up and well work out all that stuff later- You want my Rear houseing too

Unless ya are giving it away then no. If your just trying to find someone to pass it off to then shure i will take the whole rear, to add to my collection. Glen may want it as well but I figure he has a half dozen of em buried under some of them parts in his yard. He might want this one to make a bird bath out of though. :flipoff4:

[swimmerzack]

Hahah ahhaha

[79coyotefrg]

Unless ya are giving it away then no. If your just trying to find someone to pass it off to then shure i will take the whole rear, to add to my collection. Glen may want it as well but I figure he has a half dozen of em buried under some of them parts in his yard. He might want this one to make a bird bath out of though. :flipoff4:

bird bath :p

actually if you dont need it i can use it, i'm wanting to build a couple trail trailers and old narrow housings will be perfect i think

[Jordan7118]

Good deal on a Marlin Crawler dual adapter...

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=869616

[Boomtacoma01]

Glen/Zack did yall just combine 2 sets of rear packs for the RUF pack? Ive seen other random leaves mixed in other packs. I have 2 first gen packs to combine. Im still contemplating putting 5 or 6 leaves ion the pack. what type of cut/stagger did yall use when you put the packs together?

Nice progress by the way!

[swimmerzack]

yea used the top 2 leafs from my fronts the and rest off of a rear set. ask glen about the measuring I just cut. We did 5 whole ones and 1 half to keep negative arch from happening. they compress really well.

[79coyotefrg]

Glen/Zack did yall just combine 2 sets of rear packs for the RUF pack? Ive seen other random leaves mixed in other packs. I have 2 first gen packs to combine. Im still contemplating putting 5 or 6 leaves ion the pack. what type of cut/stagger did yall use when you put the packs together?

Nice progress by the way!

we used the top two leaves of a 83 rear pack, then the top two of a 86 rear pack with the ends cut off to give about a 1-2 inch stagger/step down, then the third leaf from the 83 pack, then the very bottom leaf from the front packs (very short flat leaf) to prevent negative arch and help with axle wrap.

i'll try and get a good pic of the springs later today

[Boomtacoma01]

thanks for the info Glen/Zack

[79coyotefrg]

HEY Zacks in Kentucky, anybody wanna buy some parts :D

[swimmerzack]

DOnt you DARE!!!!!!!!:flamethro

[79coyotefrg]

DOnt you DARE!!!!!!!!:flamethro

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/79coyotefrg/smilies/stageleft.gif

[Boomtacoma01]

Glen did you get hose pics of the RUF packs?

[swimmerzack]

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/fj40man79/1985%20Toyota%20Rock%20Crawler%20March%2010/MarchCrawler018.jpg

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/fj40man79/1985%20Toyota%20Rock%20Crawler%20March%2010/MarchCrawler019.jpg

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/fj40man79/1985%20Toyota%20Rock%20Crawler%20March%2010/MarchCrawler021.jpg

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new bed Idea's :dunno:

Seems alot more functional then the Red bed- a page back

Opinion's wanted

[Jordan7118]

Haha! You're welcome, Zack, for the link to those pictures :lmao:

[gittinit]

Functional for what? You planning on helping your buddies move to somewhere on the other side of a ohv park?

[88coltrunner]

looks ready to ride the Rubicon to me, remember some places you need room on the truck for cooler,firewood, tent, camping stuff, food, wag bag etc.

[gittinit]

looks ready to ride the Rubicon to me, remember some places you need room on the truck for cooler,firewood, tent, camping stuff, food, wag bag, ect.

Hmm, this is true it just seems some simple planning, and packaging, would be better than trying to pack in enough stuff to setup camp, till your broken down jalopy fixes itself. :flipoff4: I guess I've never been far enough away from civilization to need to bring my beedroom and frigerator, although sometime the big screen would be nice. ;)

[swimmerzack]

I like the bed, just not the tire carrier or the roof rack

[gittinit]

In all seriousness it reminds me of my old flat bed had I added fenderwells, and tons of other mics tube, swing out tire carrier, and such. All I had was a small storage box for the most vital spare parts, a cooler, highlift, and spare.

[swimmerzack]

SO does that mean its useless

[79coyotefrg]

I thinks its the best design ive seen yet, only the tire could tilt in more like a baja truck :dunno:

[swimmerzack]

It gives roll protection, you could sit in that basket up top and fish if you wanted too- even mount lights up there and fold them down when not in use. Im really starting to dig that bed
I seems a Hell of alot more functional then the Red Bed i found-
Wonder how much more cost it would be???

[gittinit]

I wonder how much you can actually see out the back window with that spare hanging there? Its to bad it dosent have sides all the way around, everything will definately have to be tied in. I suppose ya could always add some more aluminum diamond plate, and have it tig welded to shape and all that. Read as $$$ :eek:

[domino]

How about we just go wheeling? There's only 3 weeks left before our event. What do you have left to finish before it's on the trails?

[swimmerzack]

Well waiting on seals from Marlin to complete the front housing rebuild.
Swap the F150's to the rear so its leveled out kinda rides like this \ front is way up.
Got a doubled adapter only due too i dont wanna extened my front drive shaft twice.
Then get Front bumper and sliders done

Im going to see faber the 26

[domino]

Well waiting on seals from Marlin to complete the front housing rebuild.
Swap the F150's to the rear so its leveled out kinda rides like this \ front is way up.
Got a doubled adapter only due too i dont wanna extened my front drive shaft twice.
Then get Front bumper and sliders done

Im going to see faber the 26

- If you guys get ready to do the springs before this weekend, those perches are in Bismarck. Glen knows where they are and you could pay me later. I'll be down Friday and Saturday as well.

- Do you already have your dual case adapter? What about a new crossmember/skidplate?

[79coyotefrg]

perches out there in the barn i assume, i'll roll by there this afternoon Aaron :kewl:

[swimmerzack]

Ok great thanks, I will have the Adapter when i get back next thursday.

[domino]

perches out there in the barn i assume, i'll roll by there this afternoon Aaron :kewl:

Yup. Look behind the little blue tractor. There's a cardboard box with a bunch of junk in it. They'll be in that box. What are ya'll doing for shackles?