SBC, Rockwells, coilovers and all that stuff

[zszac111]

Well i have made up my mind. im tired of the front axle i have now, like my motor but want something that i can make a little torqier without spending big bucks, plus i want the v8 sound :D so ill be putting 2 front rockwells under the truck (still looking for these bastards at a good price) ive had an old chevy in the back yard, so i got out there yesterday and after sitting for 6 years, a little tinkering got it to fire right up. motor was completly rebuilt about 6 years ago with a few upgrades, motor is a 305, wish it was a 350. it will have a sm465 for the tranny, and a np205/203 double case. 4 linked front and rear, self centing rear steer, and 42 or 44 in TSL's. hopefully the truck will stay together untill this winter, working in 100 degree weather sucks, working in 35 degree weather with a welding jacket on kicks ass. buld up has begun because i fawked around with the motor thats going in it. :D it will be feed by propain

[YUNADERIS]

what propane kit are you going to use?
are you going to shorten the axles?


good luck on the buildup..its going to be a monster

[jtaco1]

Sound like a killer project. I may be interested in your current axle when you take it out. Good luck.

[zszac111]

what propane kit are you going to use?
are you going to shorten the axles?


good luck on the buildup..its going to be a monster

ive got a buddy who is going to hook me up with all the propane stuff, empco or something like that. he runs it on his 350 and it kicks ass. i wont shorten the width of the axles, just pull the drums and flip the hubs and run pinion brakes. the majority of the trails i run are pretty wide, plus the truck is going to have to be raised up a little to clear everything and i want the width to keep it stable. here are the link brackets i plan on using :D http://www.unf.edu/~farm0011/random/P8070029sml.JPG

[Zackattak]

dang dude thats gonna be a crazy setup!! updates and pictures please!!

[AK98Taco]

One downside to the pinion brake is that if you break a shaft, you can no longer stop that wheel from spinning and use it to slow you down, and therefore have less control over the vehicle.

[ptrautne]

One downside to the pinion brake is that if you break a shaft, you can no longer stop that wheel from spinning and use it to slow you down, and therefore have less control over the vehicle.

I do not think he is going to break the axles with 44's

[AK98Taco]

Anything is possible. On the Pirate board I've seen buggies brake Rockwell shafts with 44s. That's why some people opt for custom chromo shafts for them.

[PappaF2]

One downside to the pinion brake is that if you break a shaft, you can no longer stop that wheel from spinning and use it to slow you down, and therefore have less control over the vehicle.
it may be a down side but it is better than running the rockwell drums! :xbarf: :xbarf: Talk about too wide and heavy.

[zszac111]

my little 350hp v8 thats going in the truck isnt going to break the axles( and thats if i get the ramjet 350 that i want) if i put the chevy 305 i have at the shop in its probably only good for about 205hp if that, id love to drop a ramjet 502 in the truck but cant see dropping over 10K for a motor and some major surgery would have to occure to the front end to fit that bastard. There is no way in hell im running drums, and disc cost about 800 bucks per axle. hell i already have about 8K in shit to buy for just the steering and suspension, then i got to buy the axles, then drop the motor/tranny/x-case's in, but thats the cheap part. its all the small shit like, 7/8" FK hiems thats adding up.

[AK98Taco]

it may be a down side but it is better than running the rockwell drums! :xbarf: :xbarf: Talk about too wide and heavy.

Disc brakes are available.

[AK98Taco]

Yeah, I think you'll be fine. It's just a possibility.

[zszac111]

Yeah, I think you'll be fine. It's just a possibility.

yep, nothing is un-breakable and i usually find a way to break shit, like the head of a hammer. if i start breaking shafts, they make 300M shafts that if i broke one i would get out of the truck, look at it and just walk away forever. hell it will probably be the first of the year before im done with it, when in reality its a never ending process that is a fawking addiction i just cant shake :xbeer2:

[AK98Taco]

yep, nothing is un-breakable and i usually find a way to break shit, like the head of a hammer. if i start breaking shafts, they make 300M shafts that if i broke one i would get out of the truck, look at it and just walk away forever. hell it will probably be the first of the year before im done with it, when in reality its a never ending process that is a fawking addiction i just cant shake :xbeer2:

I read through the buildup of one buggy on Pirate. The guy was using Banda axles and had custom 300M shafts made at the cost of about $1,500 each if I remember correctly.

I wish you luck, as always. :)

[zszac111]

I read through the buildup of one buggy on Pirate. The guy was using Banda axles and had custom 300M shafts made at the cost of about $1,500 each if I remember correctly.

I wish you luck, as always. :)

would happen to be dan dibble would it? (red sniper type chassis) he has some bling on his rig. and yes they are very expensive, but i dont think he has to worry about breaking them now :D i think id just stick with the stock replacements, unless it takes a bunch of other stuff out when something goes boom.

[dstrbdone]

That is going to be a sick rig. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

Trent

[awsumdc]

yep, nothing is un-breakable and i usually find a way to break shit, like the head of a hammer. if i start breaking shafts, they make 300M shafts that if i broke one i would get out of the truck, look at it and just walk away forever. hell it will probably be the first of the year before im done with it, when in reality its a never ending process that is a fawking addiction i just cant shake :xbeer2:
That should be one awsome rig when your done. Good luck with that build up and keep us posted.

[zszac111]

yeah if i could sell some existing shit first, i could get started :D i'll probably only do the coilovers up front to start off with and run my current leafs, axle wrap wont be a problem since i have a trac bar. I just wish i had all my coilovers, airbumps, hiems and a 30' stick of 1 3/4 .375 wall DOM sitting in front of me. thats the expensive part. i need to find that money tree out in the back yard again

[zszac111]

well got started yesterday pulling all the current motor/tranny/x-case, damn there is a lot of wiring, if i wasnt selling the motor with wiring that shit would have just got cut. ended up taking the dash off, steering column off, everything under the dash off, so now i have lots of room :D I will be tying a couple crossmembers into the exo, one will fit the shape of bottom of the front window and I will have an X behind the seats for added triangulation so i will have the best of both worlds as fas as interior cage and exo with minimal weight added. Ill put some pics up as soon as there is something worth showing, unless yall want to see a truck torn apart. anyone need a gauge cluster, clock, AC control panel, steering column, or anything else from the dash?

[dstrbdone]

Since you won't be running your D44 any more you don't have any spare shafts laying around do you? 34 3/4" and a 18 5/8" center yoke to end. They are impossible to find around here. I plan to get some yukons sometime soon but could use some stock spares until I can afford the good stuff.
:xpimp:
Later
-Trent

[zszac111]

Since you won't be running your D44 any more you don't have any spare shafts laying around do you? 34 3/4" and a 18 5/8" center yoke to end. They are impossible to find around here. I plan to get some yukons sometime soon but could use some stock spares until I can afford the good stuff.
:xpimp:
Later
-Trent

i think i have a full set of inners and outers spares, i let my buddy borrow them for a trip to moab but dont think he needed them. they were my good luck spares :D ive tried my hardest to break those damn axles and they just would not break. ill look and see if they are laying around the shop tomorrow.

[dstrbdone]

i think i have a full set of inners and outers spares, i let my buddy borrow them for a trip to moab but dont think he needed them. they were my good luck spares :D ive tried my hardest to break those damn axles and they just would not break. ill look and see if they are laying around the shop tomorrow.


Hey, I can use some of that good luck. I would only be able to use the inners though. I am running six lug outers. If they are the right lengths and you don't mind seperating them I may be interested. It is so hard to find them out here. Right now I am running a chevy 10 bolt inner that I found that is about an 1/8" to short on my drivers side inner. Sad but it was cheap and does work though.

Thanks
-Trent

[zszac111]

the donor truck for my motor has fullwidth 10 bolts under it. whats the stub shafts length?

[dstrbdone]

Not quite sure I will check tomorrow. I think the chevy 10 bolt outers are just a touch too long compared to the waggy outers.

Trent

[zszac111]

Not quite sure I will check tomorrow. I think the chevy 10 bolt outers are just a touch too long compared to the waggy outers.

Trent

i checked today while i was at the shop for those spares and couldnt find them, my buddy my still have them in his jeep. im going to offer them to him first but if he doesnt want them there yours, for a total price of 10K bucks since they are lucky :D but seriously 20 bucks per shaft sound good?

[zszac111]

well got the motor,tranny and x-case pulled today as well as ripping every peice of wire out of the truck,as well as the dash and everything behind it. i plan on doing some cool stuff with the interior. one is replacing that brown POS factory tubing with some good DOM that will tie into the mini interor cage that will also tie into the exo cage. I will run an aftermarket steering wheel with a quick disconnnect. anyway here's some pics of the mess i have made so far. Ill start on the motor swap week after next, then hopefully my rockwells will be here by then.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture008.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture006.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture010.jpg

[dstrbdone]

i checked today while i was at the shop for those spares and couldnt find them, my buddy my still have them in his jeep. im going to offer them to him first but if he doesnt want them there yours, for a total price of 10K bucks since they are lucky :D but seriously 20 bucks per shaft sound good?

I would of done 10K but since you say 20 that sounds better. Just let me know.

Thanks
-Trent

[YUNADERIS]

so ghey

gosh.....:):)


just kidding....this is going to be on seriously badass built tacoma...keep posting pics of the buildup

[dstrbdone]

so ghey

gosh.....:):)


just kidding....this is going to be on seriously badass built tacoma...keep posting pics of the buildup

So at what point do we stop calling it a Tacoma :D

[zszac111]

So at what point do we stop calling it a Tacoma :D

it still has a tacoma frame and like 1/5th of the body left does that count? of and as of now it has the airbag box thingy that was under the dash that hasnt been removed, got to get some bigger starbits. Im not putting the fenders back on, the exo will take place of it with some cool laser cut skins and a fresh paint job when its all done

[waskillywabbit]

I like the front bumper. Who built it? I'd like to copy it. Got any more pics of it?

:welder:

[zszac111]

I like the front bumper. Who built it? I'd like to copy it. Got any more pics of it?

:welder:

i built it. ill look around for some more pics at different angles. very simple to build but its welded to the truck like every other peice of steel on the truck, hell with all the fitment issues with bolt on stuff.

[Brain]

Well, lastnight I had a dream that my truck was riding on Rock's and had 44" TSL's with linked suspension. I think this is the route I would like to go too :)

[josho]

zac,

shot you a pm. i give you props for stepping outside the box with those rockwells. dang strong axles, i think you only challenge will be keeping thast thing low enough (fenders will obviously be history) and keeping the shocks away from those massive meats. ever think about single rate coils?

GOOD WORK BRO....

[zszac111]

zac,

shot you a pm. i give you props for stepping outside the box with those rockwells. dang strong axles, i think you only challenge will be keeping thast thing low enough (fenders will obviously be history) and keeping the shocks away from those massive meats. ever think about single rate coils?

GOOD WORK BRO....

im not going to put the fenders back on. i like the way i looks without them for some reason, ill replace them with flat skins, hopefully ill still fell that way once i do all the tube work. the truck will be low, only looking to go about 2" higher than i am currently, but with everything under the truck changing i will have no clue untill i get the axles in and airbumps, im going to build it at full compression to make sure things dont bind and the pinion brake stays out of the pully's and oilpan, this will also let me keep it as low as possible.

[dstrbdone]

Hey Zac what are you doing with your dash? Norcalvp is looking for a passenger side air bag cover.

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=183937#post183937

Later
-Trent

[YUNADERIS]

are you selling parts yet zac? shifter boot available?

[zszac111]

Hey Zac what are you doing with your dash? Norcalvp is looking for a passenger side air bag cover.

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=183937#post183937

Later
-Trent

i can send it to him. ill post over on that thread.

[zszac111]

are you selling parts yet zac? shifter boot available?

the shifter boot gone, i tried to cut it and modify it for the twin sticks and ended up throwing it in the trash since im no seamstist (sp?)

[Davidtaco]

hummmmmm i want your tires.....

-David

[zszac111]

hummmmmm i want your tires.....

-David


josho wants them also. however my buddy is in need of tires since his are completly slick, so i told him he could have first dibs on them and i would cut him a deal as a part of his wedding gift. but if he doesnt want them and josho doesnt want them there all yours.

[Davidtaco]

josho wants them also. however my buddy is in need of tires since his are completly slick, so i told him he could have first dibs on them and i would cut him a deal as a part of his wedding gift. but if he doesnt want them and josho doesnt want them there all yours.

Cool cuz i would hate to have to run 42" iroks.... hehe

-David

[charga71]

Hey man, it's been awhile since I last talked to you....Brant and I were talking about you the other day and were wondering if you did a dual transfer case setup or a marlin?

[zszac111]

Hey man, it's been awhile since I last talked to you....Brant and I were talking about you the other day and were wondering if you did a dual transfer case setup or a marlin?

nope never did the dual cases, i made up my mind a while back to go to the v8 and do a np205/203 doubler. and since i had already had a motor and tranny, my motor was pure profit to go towards all the stuff im doing now. sad thing about it is even after i sell my axles ill still have about 5K in out of pocket cost. but im going to have some cool shit with this build so that makes me feel all better

[KStacoma]

what are you doing w/the dana44 front now that u are upgrading?

[Paul]

what are you doing w/the dana44 front now that u are upgrading?
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16388&highlight=build+axles

[dstrbdone]

Hey Zac, hows the build going? If I can't have it I at least want to see it. I need some more pics to drool on. :D

Later
-Trent

[zszac111]

Hey Zac, hows the build going? If I can't have it I at least want to see it. I need some more pics to drool on. :D

Later
-Trent

i had to go out of town last week for work, but will mess with the truck this week, probably going to just chop the top and get the mock up block in the truck, look for pics of a chopped top tacoma in the next few days :saw:

[dstrbdone]

This I have to see. :eek:

-Trent

[zszac111]

top is gone :D but i forgot to bring the camera, ill take some tomorrow when im at the shop, it looks cool, kinda like an older runner with the top off. tranny should be here at the end of this week, going to run a th400 and keep the sm465 incase i dont like the auto.

[zszac111]

here is a few pics of the chopped top, it looks rough now and it should, i cut about 1 1/2" above where the actuall body lines will be. ill do that with a body saw, had to take out the rear cross brace on the rear hoop but a bunch of DOM will go in its place. still have to get everything out of the cab portion now since i threw everything behind the seats. im just going to run skins for the front fenders and where the door was. anyone need 2 doors with a few dents in them? they have power windows and locks :D

BEFORE
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture010.jpg
AFTER
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture016.jpg
Another angle
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture013.jpg
My buddy nick acting stupid :bitchslap he has a 96 with dual 60's and a small block 350 that smokes really bad now :D
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture015.jpg

[dstrbdone]

Zac- 1
Taco-0

Thats awful brave.

-Trent

[zszac111]

Zac- 1
Taco-0

Thats awful brave.

-Trent

the gaps between the body and inside body panels will be done like this pic, this is my buddies bronco II that we have been building for a while, dual 60's, built 302 and still sitting on role around the shop tires, he just got married so it will probably be another year before he gets done.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/DSCF0005small.JPG

[zszac111]

going to go with double ended steering rams front and rear with self centering rear, basically pull the trigger on the rear steer joystick and it returns to center, it uses a second ram on the back or a "sensing ram" to determine where center is, also has a bunch of damn wiring involved as well as the hydro stuff, im going to be using sean's (station on pirate) setup since he will match everything. very pricy but steering is a huge priority on my list, plus its just plain bling. now i need to sell my liver to buy it. around 3500 in steering parts :eek:
I think i have a line on a new, well somewhat used chevy 6.0 vortec so i may opt to go that route since those are some strong motors, but then i have to fawk with all the wiring, so the 305 may have to surfice for now. ive also been pondering an 4 speed atlas but thats if budget allows it and if i get pissed off looking for 32 splined th400 np203/205's
Been looking for some heated aftermarket leather seats for the winter riding (GF's request) but cant find any from any quick searches. Again this is going to be a slow build since its about a $12-14K project with me doing all the work and im poor at the moment.

[dstrbdone]

going to go with double ended steering rams front and rear with self centering rear, basically pull the trigger on the rear steer joystick and it returns to center, it uses a second ram on the back or a "sensing ram" to determine where center is, also has a bunch of damn wiring involved as well as the hydro stuff, im going to be using sean's (station on pirate) setup since he will match everything. very pricy but steering is a huge priority on my list, plus its just plain bling. now i need to sell my liver to buy it. around 3500 in steering parts :eek:
I think i have a line on a new, well somewhat used chevy 6.0 vortec so i may opt to go that route since those are some strong motors, but then i have to fawk with all the wiring, so the 305 may have to surfice for now. ive also been pondering an 4 speed atlas but thats if budget allows it and if i get pissed off looking for 32 splined th400 np203/205's
Been looking for some heated aftermarket leather seats for the winter riding (GF's request) but cant find any from any quick searches. Again this is going to be a slow build since its about a $12-14K project with me doing all the work and im poor at the moment.

Yeah but it will all be worth it to have a rig at the next level. Where can it go from there?

-Trent

[zszac111]

Yeah but it will all be worth it to have a rig at the next level. Where can it go from there?

-Trent

dunno, i talked with Sean for a while today and even though i dont have his product yet, i can definatly recommend his customer service, he went way way in depth about all the steering components and how they work and some new stuff that will be out next week. ill have a 3 position arming switch, which will allow me to do circle and crab off the steering wheel or have the rear steer joy stick take presidence. I will more than likely buy my coilovers/airbumps and rod ends from him also. i got all the tubing for the cage today and will hopefully have it built by next week, im having to build a cage for my buddy this week since he rolled his this past sat and caved the roof in and there is a big ride at gray rock weekend after next.

[zszac111]

ill have this little fighter jet joystick :xcrazy: this is a guy that rides with us with all of Sean's steering stuff in it. as well as driveshaft/under carrage camera's
http://www.firelogs.com/CAOS/PurpleJeep08.jpg

[AK98Taco]

That's a truckload of money sitting there, yet very cleanly setup.

[zszac111]

That's a truckload of money sitting there, yet very cleanly setup.

blue torch built the jeep, here are some project picture, it definatly has some money in it. said to be around 30K in just steering/axles and suspension. im excited about the whole rear steer setup, heres some build up pics'
http://www.bluetorchfab.com/gallery/johng

[taco2486]

dude i want ur iroks how much would u let them go for

[zszac111]

dude i want ur iroks how much would u let them go for


my buddy is going to pick them up,and unless your putting a 60 under the front i wouldnt run them, even the best built 44 will eat outter shafts on command with the 39.5's

[AK98Taco]

blue torch built the jeep, here are some project picture, it definatly has some money in it. said to be around 30K in just steering/axles and suspension. im excited about the whole rear steer setup, heres some build up pics'
http://www.bluetorchfab.com/gallery/johng

They do phenominal work.

The crab and donut capability will be awesome!

[zszac111]

got the th400 in yesterday and got it all cleaned up, i going to do a reverse manual valve body conversion on it so i can go straight from nutrual to 1st and vis-versa, plus ill have some kinda compresion braking.

[zszac111]

They do phenominal work.

The crab and donut capability will be awesome!

yeah i cant wait, its going to take some getting used to, but thats one reason i went with the th400 auto tranny, one less thing to have to mess with on the trails. ive drove a few rigs with rear steer and both had the levers going opposite of each other so ill have to figure out which way i want the tires to turn when i lean the lever left and right.

[dstrbdone]

That steering setup is awesome. If we had a drooling smiley I would of used it.

-Trent

[AK98Taco]

If I get down to Nashville for Christmas this year I'll have to talk my dad into a trip to Birmingham. Perhaps we can stop by and check out your rig?

Best of luck with it, though you don't need it ;)

[dstrbdone]

OK Zac, time for some updates.

Later
-Trent

[zszac111]

OK Zac, time for some updates.

Later
-Trent

I havent had time to mess with anything, ive had to work the past few weeks and spent a few nights building a cage for my buddie for the gray rock fall for all ride that was this past weekend, since he rolled his taco the weekend before. here's some pics
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19214

[dstrbdone]

I havent had time to mess with anything, ive had to work the past few weeks and spent a few nights building a cage for my buddie for the gray rock fall for all ride that was this past weekend, since he rolled his taco the weekend before. here's some pics
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19214

That's some damn good work. :kewl: Especially that quick. Looks good. I am guessing that style is why you cut your cab in the first place.

Later
-Trent

[roctaco]

Well i have made up my mind. im tired of the front axle i have now, like my motor but want something that i can make a little torqier without spending big bucks, plus i want the v8 sound :D so ill be putting 2 front rockwells under the truck (still looking for these bastards at a good price) ive had an old chevy in the back yard, so i got out there yesterday and after sitting for 6 years, a little tinkering got it to fire right up. motor was completly rebuilt about 6 years ago with a few upgrades, motor is a 305, wish it was a 350. it will have a sm465 for the tranny, and a np205/203 double case. 4 linked front and rear, self centing rear steer, and 42 or 44 in TSL's. hopefully the truck will stay together untill this winter, working in 100 degree weather sucks, working in 35 degree weather with a welding jacket on kicks ass. buld up has begun because i fawked around with the motor thats going in it. :D it will be feed by propain


Zac, just wondering what your thoughts are on how the Rockwell will clear in the front as far as oil pan, etc. Do you plan to build a central subframe to run the 4-link from? Do you think Rockwells are overkill for 40's. I've been thinking about Rockwells over Dana 60's since they're cheaper, but I don't think I'll go over 40's when I go SAC. When are we gonna get some update pics? Thanx.

[zszac111]

Zac, just wondering what your thoughts are on how the Rockwell will clear in the front as far as oil pan, etc. Do you plan to build a central subframe to run the 4-link from? Do you think Rockwells are overkill for 40's. I've been thinking about Rockwells over Dana 60's since they're cheaper, but I don't think I'll go over 40's when I go SAC. When are we gonna get some update pics? Thanx.

well a shaved rockwell, has a ton of clearance on the bottom and running 40's would be fine. im still not sure about the clearance with with the motor stuff, i dont think ill have a problem with the oilpan, but with the pully's and whatnot. however the motor is going in after i put the axles under the truck with the 44's on at full compression and bump stop it there, then put the motor on, i did chop the front of the frame off yesterday so a frame will be bent as soon as i can go get some tubing. here's a few pics, not much progress since ive been waiting on a few big checks to come in, to send off for parts
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture074.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture079.jpg

[dstrbdone]

well a shaved rockwell, has a ton of clearance on the bottom and running 40's would be fine. im still not sure about the clearance with with the motor stuff, i dont think ill have a problem with the oilpan, but with the pully's and whatnot. however the motor is going in after i put the axles under the truck with the 44's on at full compression and bump stop it there, then put the motor on, i did chop the front of the frame off yesterday so a frame will be bent as soon as i can go get some tubing. here's a few pics, not much progress since ive been waiting on a few big checks to come in, to send off for parts
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture074.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture079.jpg


Zac, I think I found out why the truck is taking so long. You can't use the torch the whole time. Now it is time to use the welder a little. :welder: I got to hand it to you that is going to be one badass Taco.

Later
-Trent

[tanKoma]

is the np205 of urs on the passenger side? i was reading somewhere that the chevy's are passenger and fords are driver side, im researching the 4bt swap with an sm465, and im curious if both chevy and ford transfer cases have the same bolt pattern

[zszac111]

is the np205 of urs on the passenger side? i was reading somewhere that the chevy's are passenger and fords are driver side, im researching the 4bt swap with an sm465, and im curious if both chevy and ford transfer cases have the same bolt pattern

chevys will be pass side drop, fords will be drivers side drop with both married or a divorced case options, if you have a 2 wheel drive tranny you run the divorced 205. the bolt patterns will vary from a figure 8 type of bolt patern to the circlular type, and the input spline count will also vary depending on what tranny was in front of it. the 465 i have a the shop is a 10 spline input, while the th400 that im going to use has a 32 spline output shaft, either way you cant beat the 205, its damn near bomb proof, only down side is the 1:96:1 gearing. here is a good informational site for ya. http://www.high-impact.net/transmission_and_gear/Tcase_NP205.htm

[zszac111]

Zac, I think I found out why the truck is taking so long. You can't use the torch the whole time. Now it is time to use the welder a little. :welder: I got to hand it to you that is going to be one badass Taco.

Later
-Trent

lol, im waiting on some major fundage to role in from some work i did a while back so i can send a really big check off for the most of the parts. im still saying mid march or first of april for the maden trip. im also trying to find a new tow rig and found the perfect color, but ford only makes it in the kings ranch edition(fawkers) so i may be dropping more money than i want on the tow rig, just to get a freaking dark matallic copper colored f250 (same as im painting the tacoma/tubed/chevy/rockwell/hell if i know what else it is, but it sure is a bastard of a truck now :D

[dstrbdone]

lol, im waiting on some major fundage to role in from some work i did a while back so i can send a really big check off for the most of the parts. im still saying mid march or first of april for the maden trip. im also trying to find a new tow rig and found the perfect color, but ford only makes it in the kings ranch edition(fawkers) so i may be dropping more money than i want on the tow rig, just to get a freaking dark matallic copper colored f250 (same as im painting the tacoma/tubed/chevy/rockwell/hell if i know what else it is, but it sure is a bastard of a truck now :D


Man right now I would take a pink (Powerstroke) tow rig just to have one. All in good time I guess. OK maybe not pink but you get the idea.

Later
-Trent

[zszac111]

well i definatly got to have a tow rig and i might as well get what i want, ill probably wait untill the truck gets closer to being finished so i can drive my little 30mpg vw gti vr6 around alittle more. also got to buy a 30' gooseneck trailer.

[zszac111]

rockwells came in today, i just tossed them over both my sholders and stuck them under the truck :D (caugh,bullshit,caugh) im glad we have a damn big ass tractor with forks on it so i can move the damn things around. but ,now i can finally get started with everything. got the pinion break stuff today also.....

[dstrbdone]

How Weak! I would of carried BOTH rockwells over ONE shoulder so I had room on the other for the tractor. :D Its just like x-mas only earlier at Zacs house.

Later
-Trent

[roctaco]

rockwells came in today, i just tossed them over both my sholders and stuck them under the truck :D (caugh,bullshit,caugh) im glad we have a damn big ass tractor with forks on it so i can move the damn things around. but ,now i can finally get started with everything. got the pinion break stuff today also.....


Did you go through USA 6x6? if you don't mind telling, how much did you pay for axles & how are they equipped? i'm gonna pay close attention to your buildup to see if it's something i'd want to build for myself. Appreciate any & all info.
thanx, roctaco.

[zszac111]

Did you go through USA 6x6? if you don't mind telling, how much did you pay for axles & how are they equipped? i'm gonna pay close attention to your buildup to see if it's something i'd want to build for myself. Appreciate any & all info.
thanx, roctaco.


i bought them from a guy on pirate, MITCHEL is his name over there, he sells the fronts for 600 each and the rears for 500 each, it was about the cheapest i could find the fronts for. he is located in TX and personally delivered 4 fronts to my door. they are just stock open, with the drums on them now, so ill have to do all the pinion brakes and put a detroit up front and weld the rear, sand and paint and they will be ready to take some abuse :D

[zszac111]

delivery/shipping was extra. forgot to add that in, it was 1600 for a pair of fronts delivered from TX to Birmingham, AL

[zszac111]

god i love how easy it is to work on these axles, took me about an hour to pull the drums,hubs,spindles,knuckles,shafts and the chunk out. ill post up some comparison pics between D44,D60, and rockwell shafts and joints. I also like that the ujoint is always covered/bathed in grease

[Davidtaco]

keep the info going, if i don't get the mog alxes this week set for 1500 complete with lockers, i think i may get a set of rockwells...

Cheaper than going with 60s

-David

[zszac111]

keep the info going, if i don't get the mog alxes this week set for 1500 complete with lockers, i think i may get a set of rockwells...

Cheaper than going with 60s

-David

make sure to gusset the hell out of the portal boxes, they dont like role overs to much, but thats a hell of a deal on the mogs though, 404's or 406's?

[zszac111]

heres a few pics, didnt have much time to work on the axles at the shop today so i just snapped a few pics and got the bull gear off and split the carrier to weld it up. those damn bolts on the bull gear are on there, ended up taking a brand new 1/2 MAC tools premiem impact that puts out about 1000 ft lbs of torque to get those bastards off.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture001.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture119.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture131.jpg

left to right, stock 35 spline inner D60 shaft , 16 spline rockwell, ,yukon D44 inner 30 spline
notice all the grease on the rockwell shaft, i like this..

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture112.jpg

Left to right, inner D44, Rockwell, inner D60
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture115.jpg

[zszac111]

this is how i will be doing the 4 link front and rear, got to find somewhere to stick the airbumps though :confused:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture084.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture086.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture085.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture083.jpg

[zszac111]

front frame chopped and plated with 1/4" on all 4, well 5 sides, still have to do some extra bracing once the tubing goes in to keep it from bending or ripping the outter plate off.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture116.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Picture117.jpg

[ATLRoach]

Hey Zac any updates in the last month?

[BigMudTruk]

Hey Zac any updates in the last month?


Yeah updates? :welder: :saw: :D

[zszac111]

not much of an update, but rockwells have been finished (welded, rotated rear chunk 180*, drilled and tapped new holes, replaced studs on spindle with bolts, flipped hubs in) and capped the rear of the cab where i chopped the top. heres a few pics of the capped rear and a sample cage with pseudo dim's i drew up in about 20 mins.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/SampleCage.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Cap2.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Cap1.jpg

[zszac111]

buster brown showed up today with my lokar shifter for the TH400, nice and clean and should go good with the custom dash im going to do :D


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/shifter1.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/shifter2.jpg

[BigMudTruk]

buster brown showed up today with my lokar shifter for the TH400, nice and clean and should go good with the custom dash im going to do :D


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/shifter1.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/shifter2.jpg


The shift knob has the wrong shift pattern for a reverse pattern manual valve body! LoL wont you get confused? Be careful when you buy a valve body, many eleminate all compression braking! I know redneck performance out of TX sells one that retains compression braking, they advertize on e-bay I've had very good luck with them.

[zszac111]

The shift knob has the wrong shift pattern for a reverse pattern manual valve body! LoL wont you get confused? Be careful when you buy a valve body, many eleminate all compression braking! I know redneck performance out of TX sells one that retains compression braking, they advertize on e-bay I've had very good luck with them.


im not going to run the reverse manual (yet) ive hit some road blocks and just want to get the truck back on the trails. but good eye's :D

[Tacominator]

Looks great Zac, I just found this lil gem of a thread, keep us updated!

[zszac111]

someone throw some ideas out for the "bed" portion. all that other shit thats back there now is getting cut off. my sliders will be different from pretty much any out there, on a tacoma atleast, they will act as more of a side skid which will tie into a flat belly skid, all will be laser cut, somewhat like my buddies bruiser chassis pictured below

http://www.offrdconnection.com/images/bruisershowcase/bruiser005.jpg

it will have to have space for 2 propane tanks a tool box and it has to be narrow due to the 44's and rear steer. any idear's??? chopping the rear frame is an option and i may just tube it all out.

[Brain]

Tube it all out :D So you are doing boat sides on your truck? Nice :)

[BigMudTruk]

im not going to run the reverse manual (yet) ive hit some road blocks and just want to get the truck back on the trails. but good eye's :D

Still planning on running the TH400? If so I have the perfect low stall super effecient Torque converter for it! Let me know if you still need one! Are you just planning on running a standard valve body in the 400?

[zszac111]

Still planning on running the TH400? If so I have the perfect low stall super effecient Torque converter for it! Let me know if you still need one! Are you just planning on running a standard valve body in the 400?

yeah ive got the th400 and TC, i dont think im going to do anything to it, run the truck and see how i like it, if i feel like i need to change the valve body i can do that in a few min's. if you have a th400 version np203 adapter and case i would be interested :D

[zszac111]

got the material for my links today, as well as some other tubing to build new sliders/cage/bumper/bed/frame well just about the whole damn truck :D the material for the links is 2" X.375 wall DOM I likes the steel but not the damn price per foot. 10.98 per foot and i ended up getting 2 sticks which equaled 45.12 feet. o well ill have some left over.

thicky thicky
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/2inch.375DOM.jpg

spent about 10 mins and bent these two guys (not finished, got to put some laser cut stuff in there and add 2 legs/plates and gussets....., but i can mount that MOFO where the front body mount was, because i cut those bitch's off and made new ones that sit on the inside of the frame rail :D http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/Sliders.jpg

[Clark0098]

I know you dont want to narrow the axle but may i point out a few pros.
1. if you make the two sides the same all the axle shafts will be the same all you have to carry are two short side shafts adn you are good to go.
2. it can be done for free if you know how to weld witch i gather you do. we did 4 of them for a project vehicle in less than a day
3.you save a bout 16 pounds an axle since you are ditching the long shaft and a small chunk of steel.
4.you dont have to get an offset transfer case the diff will then be in the middle.(thas a big plus having the diff centered for many reasons.)
5. a cut rockwell is still 1 inch wider than a chevy dana 60

We have built a few trucks with rockwells and we allways cut them. you will have a gm offset on yout transfer case so your compound angle in front will be far less. it seems you know your stuff and what your doing but incase you have not worked with rockwells before i thought i would give you a bit of info. thanks man

[zszac111]

I know you dont want to narrow the axle but may i point out a few pros.
1. if you make the two sides the same all the axle shafts will be the same all you have to carry are two short side shafts adn you are good to go.
2. it can be done for free if you know how to weld witch i gather you do. we did 4 of them for a project vehicle in less than a day
3.you save a bout 16 pounds an axle since you are ditching the long shaft and a small chunk of steel.
4.you dont have to get an offset transfer case the diff will then be in the middle.(thas a big plus having the diff centered for many reasons.)
5. a cut rockwell is still 1 inch wider than a chevy dana 60

We have built a few trucks with rockwells and we allways cut them. you will have a gm offset on yout transfer case so your compound angle in front will be far less. it seems you know your stuff and what your doing but incase you have not worked with rockwells before i thought i would give you a bit of info. thanks man


thanks for the info, yeah i think ive read about every rockwell thread on pirate and my head hurts, so to keep that down ill just keep it simple. the axles are ready to be stuck under the truck, just need some wheels and tires, 16 hiem's, 4 airbumps and i can set the suspension up :mad:

[BigMudTruk]

yeah ive got the th400 and TC, i dont think im going to do anything to it, run the truck and see how i like it, if i feel like i need to change the valve body i can do that in a few min's. if you have a th400 version np203 adapter and case i would be interested :D


I might actually have some 203's and 400's if not I know I have like 5 203's. One word of caution about the valve body swap, call around to whoever you plan to get a vb from if you do swap and ask them if there is any internal mods required to run the vb, I know my reverse manual on in my chevelle deleted a ton of stuff!

[Brain]

thanks for the info, yeah i think ive read about every rockwell thread on pirate and my head hurts, so to keep that down ill just keep it simple. the axles are ready to be stuck under the truck, just need some wheels and tires, 16 hiem's, 4 airbumps and i can set the suspension up :mad:

You better be runnin' some 44" TSL's on those rockies :D

[AK98Taco]

You better be runnin' some 44" TSL's on those rockies :D

That was part of his signature for the longest time... ;)

[Brain]

That was part of his signature for the longest time... ;)

Must have missed it :)

[zszac111]

You better be runnin' some 44" TSL's on those rockies :D


you bet ya a 44 is going on the truck, if they would hurry up and release the 45" IROK i would be first in line. I love that tire. i wish they made a 44" for a 20" wheel so i can keep the bounce down, plus i can say im running dub's :D

[ATLRoach]

Why not run the new 47" LTBs?

[zszac111]

Why not run the new 47" LTBs?

they are not out yet are they? I dont really want to be too tall and keeping the truck low is going to be hard as it is, but the core support will be gone and probably the inner fenders and replaced with tube :D So if they are out ill get those and make them fit :saw:

[ATLRoach]

Hell call up Interco and see if you can be the test pilot. Tell them that you will take pics and write a review for a magazine :P

[BigMudTruk]

Hell call up Interco and see if you can be the test pilot. Tell them that you will take pics and write a review for a magazine :P


Heck yeah, why not! They're right over in LA thats not even that far from you!

[ATLRoach]

thanks for the info, yeah i think ive read about every rockwell thread on pirate and my head hurts, so to keep that down ill just keep it simple. the axles are ready to be stuck under the truck, just need some wheels and tires, 16 hiem's, 4 airbumps and i can set the suspension up :mad:

Zac, I'm going to PORC next weekend(Feb 3rd) to pick up a 3rd..Want me to pick up those MRWs? We can use the TTORA express mail.

[Dick Foster]

Are you really sure you want Rockwells? You'll have exactly one choce of gear ratios. Why not look into a portal setup? That's the road I'm taking the FJ. Hybrid axles, portals with inverted Ford 9" center sections. Even on just 35" tires the pinion is 2' off the ground. With the 2.05:1 hub gears the rest of the drive train sees half the normal stress so it should last pretty much forever. I'm pretty sure you could take that 305 out to 350 or even a 383 stroker without too much trouble. Propane is a low energy fuel so you may suffer trying to turn 40" + tires and hauling around those Rockwells. Those bitches are heavy. Take a look at some of the EFI kits out there. I'm finally getting ready to install the Edlebrock EFI kit. I can't wait to get that POS stinkin carb out of there. It's either running too rich or too lean but that's just what carbs do.

[BigMudTruk]

Are you really sure you want Rockwells? You'll have exactly one choce of gear ratios. Why not look into a portal setup? That's the road I'm taking the FJ. Hybrid axles, portals with inverted Ford 9" center sections. Even on just 35" tires the pinion is 2' off the ground. With the 2.05:1 hub gears the rest of the drive train sees half the normal stress so it should last pretty much forever. I'm pretty sure you could take that 305 out to 350 or even a 383 stroker without too much trouble. Propane is a low energy fuel so you may suffer trying to turn 40" + tires and hauling around those Rockwells. Those bitches are heavy. Take a look at some of the EFI kits out there. I'm finally getting ready to install the Edlebrock EFI kit. I can't wait to get that POS stinkin carb out of there. It's either running too rich or too lean but that's just what carbs do.


I think he's pretty set on Rockwells since he already has them LoL. You can plan on loosing about 20% of your power when going from Gasoline to Natural gas, but gasoline to LPG it's only about 5%, and even if he did loose 20% he's going to a SBC vice the 3.4L and the Rockwells have a pretty wicked gear ratio, I doubt he'll have any trouble turning whatever size tire he wants, especially with a 203/205 doubler.

[Dick Foster]

His message started out by saying that he was looking for them at a good price, did it not.

A turbo is great for HP at high RPM in a street or race car but he should be chasing torque down low where he can get his hands on something usable. To me, a turbo with Rockwell axles sounds more like someone standing back and throwing money at shit based more on this is cool factor and that is cool factor rather than a well planned build with specific performance objectives. I would say redneck but since I am one, I won't. LOL

[zszac111]

His message started out by saying that he was looking for them at a good price, did it not.

A turbo is great for HP at high RPM in a street or race car but he should be chasing torque down low where he can get his hands on something usable. To me, a turbo with Rockwell axles sounds more like someone standing back and throwing money at shit based more on this is cool factor and that is cool factor rather than a well planned build with specific performance objectives. I would say redneck but since I am one, I won't. LOL

where did a turbo come into play? a turbo 400 auto tranny will be dropped in. I have found the mother load of 6.0 vortec's and have decided to go that route instead of the 305 on propane. the 6.0 eventually be supercharged, and if you dont understand why i want the power for wheel speed just watch a few of these video's, low gearing 190hp motors just dont do it out here. Here is dibble's 445hp rockwelled 4 seater...

http://www.fototime.com/7EFC0B87ED3EDDE/conv.wmv

http://www.fototime.com/0A257CB41B86CC4/conv.wmv

http://www.fototime.com/6DB4504C3A56AE2/conv.wmv

[zszac111]

Zac, I'm going to PORC next weekend(Feb 3rd) to pick up a 3rd..Want me to pick up those MRWs? We can use the TTORA express mail.


I still need to get those damn things, ive just been so busy and the money i have is going towards a few other goodies, ive got some wheels and tires to set everything up with, so they will more than likely be the last thing i buy. I just hope they arent gone since its a killer deal on the wheels.

[Dick Foster]

I must have mis understood about the turbo then. That's good an SC makes much more sense, now I have my faith in you back. I was worried for a while there, still I don't know about Rockwells with all the weight and limited gear choices but if it turns your crank, it's your build. That Trucks show guy Tracy did a build with Rockwells but it looked to be pretty much a street/show truck. I couldn't see much actual wheeling in its future with the springs and such. All that guy ever seems to do is go run down a stream bed or two and run though a few puddles. Maybe Rockwells would be good for some mud but I'd think the weight factor would be problematic even there. As I remeber he got his from Memphis Equipment or something. I don't think he's concerned with cost though, all those folks get their shit for free. They get the big fancy shop that someone else cleans up, all the cool tools with wall sized tool cabnets to keep them in all in and free parts. The Housepower guys even have their own dyno. I'm envious about all of that so I hate them all. LOL

[zszac111]

I must have mis understood about the turbo then. That's good an SC makes much more sense, now I have my faith in you back. I was worried for a while there, still I don't know about Rockwells with all the weight and limited gear choices but if it turns your crank, it's your build. That Trucks show guy Tracy did a build with Rockwells but it looked to be pretty much a street/show truck. I couldn't see much actual wheeling in its future with the springs and such. All that guy ever seems to do is go run down a stream bed or two and run though a few puddles. Maybe Rockwells would be good for some mud but I'd think the weight factor would be problematic even there. As I remeber he got his from Memphis Equipment or something. I don't think he's concerned with cost though, all those folks get their shit for free. They get the big fancy shop that someone else cleans up, all the cool tools with wall sized tool cabnets to keep them in all in and free parts. The Housepower guys even have their own dyno. I'm envious about all of that so I hate them all. LOL

atleast the weight will be down low. they arnt as heavy as you would think once you pull the drums off, as far as the gearing ill use the x-case for the gearing selection, i like the idea of a doubler, but can get an atlas or the new 2 speed or 3 speed stak case for less than a doubler set up will cost. the 4sp Atlas would kick some major ass, but its not out yet and has a pretty big price tag. the super charger will come after the truck is up and running for a while, they are expensive for the 6.0's :eek:

[STOMPER]

John makes some good Peach shine too.

ill have this little fighter jet joystick :xcrazy: this is a guy that rides with us with all of Sean's steering stuff in it. as well as driveshaft/under carrage camera's
http://www.firelogs.com/CAOS/PurpleJeep08.jpg

[zszac111]

John makes some good Peach shine too.

lol. a buddy of mine makes a few differnet kinds of shine, just something i cant drink, well alot of atleast :D

[STOMPER]

Hell no one can drink a lot of it, but some goes down better then others. :D



lol. a buddy of mine makes a few differnet kinds of shine, just something i cant drink, well alot of atleast :D

[ATLRoach]

Hey Zac I dunno if you saw this:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435342

Seems like BTF will be getting the first sets...

[zszac111]

Hey Zac I dunno if you saw this:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435342

Seems like BTF will be getting the first sets...

yeah dan is pretty close with the guys at interco. its going to be tough for me to get the 44's up under there and keep the truck low, plus i dont want to break to many shafts and dont want to upgrade to the 2" shafts for a while now that i have changed my mind about going to the supercharged 6.0 vortec compared to the 305 on propane i had originally planed on putting in.

[BigMudTruk]

yeah dan is pretty close with the guys at interco. its going to be tough for me to get the 44's up under there and keep the truck low, plus i dont want to break to many shafts and dont want to upgrade to the 2" shafts for a while now that i have changed my mind about going to the supercharged 6.0 vortec compared to the 305 on propane i had originally planed on putting in.


Be careful supercharging the new GenIII chevy's! The harmonic balancer doesnt have a keyway like a normal SBC or pretty much any other motor for that matter! So when you put a blower on it it tends to spin the harmonic balancer on the snout of the crank! Not good! Just fyi since I've been thru that very fight before!

[zszac111]

Be careful supercharging the new GenIII chevy's! The harmonic balancer doesnt have a keyway like a normal SBC or pretty much any other motor for that matter! So when you put a blower on it it tends to spin the harmonic balancer on the snout of the crank! Not good! Just fyi since I've been thru that very fight before!

thanks for the heads up, it will probably be a while before the blower goes on, i just want the truck running. on a side tech note, if the injectors are clogged you can put 12V to them or hell even 24V and it will clean those puppies out. alot better than letting them sit in brake cleaner for a few days.

[ATLRoach]

Damn Zac no updates?

[UNBREAKABLE]

I bought a set of Rocks from mitchell a while back...he's a good guy to deal with.

[Bubz]

ive got a buddy who is going to hook me up with all the propane stuff, empco or something like that. he runs it on his 350 and it kicks ass. i wont shorten the width of the axles, just pull the drums and flip the hubs and run pinion brakes. the majority of the trails i run are pretty wide, plus the truck is going to have to be raised up a little to clear everything and i want the width to keep it stable. here are the link brackets i plan on using :D http://www.unf.edu/~farm0011/random/P8070029sml.JPG
Just looking back on the picture, how come the pinion flange is facing towards the rear?

[dstrbdone]

You are kidding right? Just in case you are not. Rockwells have pinion shafts all the way through. This is so you can run dual axles. If I am not mistaking the pinion shaft is actually a worm gear setup. It also allows for pinion brake setups on the back of the axle.

Just looking back on the picture, how come the pinion flange is facing towards the rear?

[zszac111]

Just looking back on the picture, how come the pinion flange is facing towards the rear?

here is everything you ever want to know about rockwells

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313836&highlight=link+rockwell

I still havent done shit to my truck, and it seems like its going to be longer before i can start dumping money into the damn thing. just got done with this bronco II for a buddy though. dual D60's, built 302, 42's ect.... the cage has had some more done to it since these pictures were taken, basically X'ed the b' piller hoop and some other stuff. and dont ask why it has two hoops, he wanted it that way :confused:

http://www.mior4x4.com/Michael%20Bronco%20Cage/picture%20091small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/Michael%20Bronco%20Cage/picture%20092small.jpg

[Paul]

That bronco II is clean. :xsmokin1:

[Bubz]

Yea I'm kidding.....just kidding I dont know anything about rockwells. I had a feeling that it had something to do with a pinion brake but I didnt know. Is running a pinion brake the only way to have brakes on a rockwell?

[zszac111]

nope, you can run the stock drumbs, not a good idea, or go with a disc conversion which usually converts it to a regular 8 lug pattern also, but its pricy.

[BigMudTruk]

Just so you know Interco has qty-9 17/47-16.5 LTB's in the cosmetic blem section right now! They're a screaming deal at $385 ea! They'd look sweet on your rig w/rockwells! Thats a great deal on HUGE rubber!

[zszac111]

Just so you know Interco has qty-9 17/47-16.5 LTB's in the cosmetic blem section right now! They're a screaming deal at $385 ea! They'd look sweet on your rig w/rockwells! Thats a great deal on HUGE rubber!


gone to buy NOW!!!!!

[BigMudTruk]

gone to buy NOW!!!!!

If you actually pick up a set you'll have to post up some pics, I was just passing along the info since I know you had mentioned wanting to run a LARGE tire!

[zszac111]

If you actually pick up a set you'll have to post up some pics, I was just passing along the info since I know you had mentioned wanting to run a LARGE tire!


Yeah ill definiatlly post some pics, i have 39's and 42's to compare them to, Im waiting on interco to call me back, hopefully i got my email in before 2 other people did :confused: now i got to find a good double beadlocked wheel i like. stupid 16.5" tires :D O and thanks for the heads up, i normally keep a check out for blems but havent payed any attention in a while.

[ATLRoach]

Hummers are 16.5..

[zszac111]

Hummers are 16.5..


Im thinking about using them, I think i can have them widened to around 10", The tires should be here tomorrow or thursday and my BTF rockwell link brackets. :D dont know when ill get to spend anymore money on it, but i can atleast get some things mocked up.

[BigMudTruk]

Im thinking about using them, I think i can have them widened to around 10", The tires should be here tomorrow or thursday and my BTF rockwell link brackets. :D dont know when ill get to spend anymore money on it, but i can atleast get some things mocked up.

Widened only to 10" if you're running bead locks why not 12 or 14" make the tire super fat! Not like you have to worry about loosing a bead!

[zszac111]

Widened only to 10" if you're running bead locks why not 12 or 14" make the tire super fat! Not like you have to worry about loosing a bead!

Dont like really fat tires, but i dont want the tire to fold under its self, so a 12" would probably be better. the hummer wheels with the recentered wheels are 9 3/4" so very close to 10". MRW wants 402.00 each for an extreem HD wheel, 80 bolts total on each wheel (40 front and 40 rear) Dean Read wants 235 for a regular ol' H1 beadlock with recentered rockwell centers, StazWorks wants 260.00 for their custom wheels. Most places say they are about 4-6 weeks out from getting the wheels out. Im going to call USA6x6 and see how fast they can get theirs to me. Ive got a place here local that makes normal beadlocks and i ran them when i had the 3/4 ton 8 lug stuff under the truck, maybe they can hook me up with a set of double beadlocks. I dont know why interco decided to make these damn tires for a 16.5" wheel. a 20" version would kick ass

[ATLRoach]

I would go Staz but it's a wait..

[BigMudTruk]

Dont like really fat tires, but i dont want the tire to fold under its self, so a 12" would probably be better. the hummer wheels with the recentered wheels are 9 3/4" so very close to 10". MRW wants 402.00 each for an extreem HD wheel, 80 bolts total on each wheel (40 front and 40 rear) Dean Read wants 235 for a regular ol' H1 beadlock with recentered rockwell centers, StazWorks wants 260.00 for their custom wheels. Most places say they are about 4-6 weeks out from getting the wheels out. Im going to call USA6x6 and see how fast they can get theirs to me. Ive got a place here local that makes normal beadlocks and i ran them when i had the 3/4 ton 8 lug stuff under the truck, maybe they can hook me up with a set of double beadlocks. I dont know why interco decided to make these damn tires for a 16.5" wheel. a 20" version would kick ass

I can understand you not wanting the tire to be super fat, I was just thinking mounting a 17" wide tire on a 10" rim would suck it in amd make it cup up in the center really really bad. Back when I was running 44" TSL's I had them on 14" wide wheels and they were still a little crowned inthe center at highway pressure, they were fine aired down though. I'd really like to build a rig around a set of those 47" LTB's I think itd be fun! 20" version would be really nice and would cut down on tire folding under itself under power and bouncing on rocks at lower inflation pressures while still having plenty of sidewall to fold over rocks and protect the rim.

[zszac111]

here are 2 pics of the tires in the back of my chevy 2500, ill snap some comparison pictures when i take them to the shop tomorrow. It sure is nice to be one day away from interco. Total weight for 4 tires is 652lbs :eek: Got them from the Blem section on Interco and I havent found any thing as far as missing words, messed up letters or anything :confused:

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/47s%20pic%201.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/47s%20pic%202.jpg

[Brain]

Awesome! 16.5" wheels huh? Might have a bit of a problem with too much sidewall. Bouncy bouncy bouncy....:D

[zszac111]

Awesome! 16.5" wheels huh? Might have a bit of a problem with too much sidewall. Bouncy bouncy bouncy....:D


I know, but its better then a 15" version. hell id run 22's if i could but i dont forsee any tires that i would run being made in that size, I wont go any bigger than the 47's due to my links, guess i need to call oversoun eng. and get some 2" shafts in the making, well i guess ill give my rockwell shafts 2 breaks then and thats it, ill make a beating stick out of them or something :D

[ATLRoach]

Damn Zac they are fucking huge..Also would you happen to know of another set of Rocks for sale?

[zszac111]

may want to contact MITCHEL over on pirate and see if he can still get them. Thats who i got mine from and he said he could get TONS of them. other than that I dont know.

[zszac111]

Pics of the tires as promised. after rolling around these tires and putting the 39" irok next to the 47, the 39" irok felt like a feather, tires weigh in at 163lbs each :eek: so add about 50-80lbs for wheels and ive got 220 or so at each corner, plus ~700lbs for each axle, half the weight of the coilovers, mounts, hiems, and links will give my my unsprung weight. shouldnt have much sprung weight on the truck (hopefully :confused: )


47 next to a 42" IROK
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204820small.jpg

39" IROK, 47" LTB, 42" IROK
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204822small.jpg

Bud can inbetween the lugs
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204825small.jpg

Just bullshitting around, decided to stick them up next to the truck, the truck is sitting low, i think i measured around 20" at the frame under where the doors used to be. I think I can get them under it with a frame heigth of 29-31" if not less
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204827small.jpg

Same shit, different angle
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204828small.jpg

[ATLRoach]

Damn it boy get to work!

[zszac111]

Damn it boy get to work!


I will hopefully be picking up the 6.0 vortec LQ9 version :D next week, my link brackets should be here today or tomorrow, so i should some stuff to work with. tubing the front where the fenders will be the last thing I will do as well as the cage, I want to run fenders, but my have to go with homemade skins due to the tire size at full stuff, ill have around 5" of up travel, hopefully i can find a spot to put the airbumps. I think im going to go with 16" coilovers rather than the 14"ers and bring them through the hood like they did on the pure adrin.. rock racer. Ive got to start buying my 1x1 1/4 hiems a few at a time. wheels are going to take atleast 4 weeks to get, once i decide on which ones to go with.

[zszac111]

well picked up my motor yesterday, once i got there the guy said the LQ9 he had, had a cracked intake. so i just went with a low millage normal 300hp 6.0L vortec. with a little pepping up it should make me smile. Now ive got to send the ECU out to get flashed, pull all the wiring off and other HP robbing shit.

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/6L%20vortec.jpg

[tanKoma]

thats sick how much was it?

[pimptoy]

:eek: drool.................................. :jack: give me a few sec.s alone with it i'll clean it up for ya :rofl:


can't wait to see how it turns out

[zszac111]

thats sick how much was it?

I have a buddy who has a parts yard and hooked me up for 1000 bucks out the door with all accessories, ecu. etc....

[BigMudTruk]

well picked up my motor yesterday, once i got there the guy said the LQ9 he had, had a cracked intake. so i just went with a low millage normal 300hp 6.0L vortec. with a little pepping up it should make me smile. Now ive got to send the ECU out to get flashed, pull all the wiring off and other HP robbing shit.

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/6L%20vortec.jpg

Is that a small block chevy I spy in the background w/no heads on it bolted to a Turbo 400?

[zszac111]

Is that a small block chevy I spy in the background w/no heads on it bolted to a Turbo 400?

yep, I was going to use it to mock up my motor mounts before i decided to go with the 6.0. the block on that motor has a HUGE crack in it.

[BigMudTruk]

yep, I was going to use it to mock up my motor mounts before i decided to go with the 6.0. the block on that motor has a HUGE crack in it.

The LS-1 based motors (4.whatever, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0 iron and aluminum) all use the same 3 bold pad on the block to mount to as the early SBC's so you could mock it up w/that engine/trans and motor mounts and plates and it would work just the same as the 6.0 for mount placement.

[zszac111]

The LS-1 based motors (4.whatever, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0 iron and aluminum) all use the same 3 bold pad on the block to mount to as the early SBC's so you could mock it up w/that engine/trans and motor mounts and plates and it would work just the same as the 6.0 for mount placement.


mine has a 4 bolt pattern in a perfect square. unless i was seeing shit, which is quite possible. its been a long week for me.

[BigMudTruk]

mine has a 4 bolt pattern in a perfect square. unless i was seeing shit, which is quite possible. its been a long week for me.

I just built a 408 inch stroker engine for a vette a few months back based on a LQ9 iron block, and it has the standard GM 3 bolts mount available on the side of the block, I think 1 of them might not have been tapped, but it was there... I wish I had pics to show it... I'll look...

[zszac111]

I wasnt seeing things, only 4 holes in a square, but its no problem, nothing a laser and press break cant handle

[BigMudTruk]

I wasnt seeing things, only 4 holes in a square, but its no problem, nothing a laser and press break cant handle

Wild, can you snap a pic of the side of the block just so I know what to look out for? Also what did it come out of?

[zszac111]

Wild, can you snap a pic of the side of the block just so I know what to look out for? Also what did it come out of?

yeah, ill snap one next time im at the shop. it came out of a 2001 gmc 2500 2wd ext. cab if im not mistaken.

[BigMudTruk]

yeah, ill snap one next time im at the shop. it came out of a 2001 gmc 2500 2wd ext. cab if im not mistaken.

Gotcha, pics would rock, still planning on using the TH-400? If so I have a super low stall convertor for towing and RV's that would work great and keep heat to a minimum, let me know if you're interested.

[zszac111]

Well got half my hiems and my link brackets and ordered my wheels from dean read off of pirate. Also got my motor mounts made up to go to the block, I havent had time to do shit, but the motor/tranny and axles will be under the truck next week. here is a few pics of the 1 1/4x1" FK Hiems and a tube adapter i had made up to work with the 2"x.375 walled DOM. The tube adapter is freaking awsome and I can get them for anyone who wants them for around 40 bucks each, i know thats pricy but its not your regular hollow adapter, its solid 1 1/4" where its inserted in the tubing.

Tube adapter
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/tube%20adapter.jpg

Tube adapter, 1 1/4x1" FK hiem next to a 3/4x3/4 hiem
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/adapter%20hiem.jpg

Same stuff
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/adapter%20big%20and%20small%20hiem.jpg

Eight LH hiems..
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Eight%20LH%20hiems.jpg

Motor mounts, (welds are not the best but i was spraying with a different gas mix which acted a little different than im used to...)
http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Motor%20Mount1.jpg

[zszac111]

motor and tranny are in the truck, fawking A, doing that shit without any help sucks, i cussed that damn tranny before my skinny ass finally got it to line up right. took about 3 hours start to finish. The stock manifolds are not going to work so i guess i have a reason to buy some more bender dies and break the tig out for some custom headers :D ill probably end up having to get a oil pan that isnt 5 foot deep.

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204995%20small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204996%20small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204998%20small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%204999%20small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Picture%205000%20small.jpg

[4TACXOMA4]

Holy big tires! Good to see it coming along. :welder:

[dstrbdone]

Nice to see some progress. That thing is going to look bada$$ with those huge freakin tires rollin down the trails.

Later
-Trent

[zszac111]

lookie what buster brown dropped off today. Dean Read re-centered H1 wheels, now i can mount my tires, put them on the axles, set the 4 link up, hopefully all that done by next week. the rock ring with the crosses in it were cut out by a buddy of mine on a cnc plasma, not as clean as a laser but im not picky (thanks chad) still have to weld the rock ring on and paint them

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Wheel2small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Wheel3small.jpg

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/Wheel1small.jpg

[BigMudTruk]

Lookin sweet, I just sold my SAS's early truck, and bought another IFS rig and a donor truck w/a 60 and 14 bolt so I'll be in the same boat soon, all cut up w/nothing under it. Looking nice!

[zszac111]

Lookin sweet, I just sold my SAS's early truck, and bought another IFS rig and a donor truck w/a 60 and 14 bolt so I'll be in the same boat soon, all cut up w/nothing under it. Looking nice!


It would be alot closer to being finished or actually start putting the axles links and everything under it, but I am closing on a house this tuesday, still havent got a check from the insurance company for my welder/plasma. plus its fawking hot as hell and i really dont feel like working on the damn thing :jack:

[zszac111]

lol, i did get my wheels welded up and tires mounted last week.

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/wheelsmall.jpg

[BigMudTruk]

lol, i did get my wheels welded up and tires mounted last week.

http://www.mior4x4.com/rockwell%20swap/wheelsmall.jpg


Tires look good all mounted up! I've been watching the blems section again, I'm in tha market for a set myself, I'm looking for anything 39.5 or larger actually but I'd like to run either a 44" TSL 47" LTB or 49" IROK for my new build up I cant really afford to run anything smaller than a 40" tire w/my axles. I know what you mean about it being hot, I cant bring myself to work on my junk either when I cant even check the mail w/o breaking a sweat.

[wslytoy]

HOLY SCHNIKES those are effing HUGE!

[zszac111]

Getting closer...

http://www.mior4x4.com/barsmockup2.jpg
























even though its a photochop, but it makes me want to get to work on this bastard.

[seth_js]

Man, are ya'll some trust fund babies or what? Where the hell do you guys get the money for this crap?

[ARB1977]

Other than the frame what left that would call it a Toyota? Looks damn good.

[zszac111]

Man, are ya'll some trust fund babies or what? Where the hell do you guys get the money for this crap?


I did have a good job, untill yesterday when i got canned, so now ive got to find me a job. Even with the job i had i just bought a few parts here and there, but i still have alot of crap to buy to make this thing the way i want it. Luckly ive got good friends who dont mind me whaling on there rigs :D

[ATLRoach]

Hey Zac...Who did your rock rings? I just picked up some 8 bolt Hummers and I'm looking for rings and centers closer to home than Dean and God aweful USA6x6.

I might get Jeff's(Dr.Vic) to make them but shipping sucks right now.

[zszac111]

Hey Zac...Who did your rock rings? I just picked up some 8 bolt Hummers and I'm looking for rings and centers closer to home than Dean and God aweful USA6x6.

I might get Jeff's(Dr.Vic) to make them but shipping sucks right now.

I sent ya a pm with his info, however im not sure if he can do the centers as his company isnt an offroad type shop so its somewhat special request when they do something, they do more of the build stuff for MLB stadiums.

i think shipping for my wheels were around 180 bucks 4 wheels, im sure the rockrings and centers would be alot cheaper through dean. and i sure as hell wouldnt go with usa6x6.

[ATLRoach]

Zac: Any updates on the rig?

Side note: I talked to Chad about the Rock Rings I just need to come up with a design. Creative Engineering in Tx did my wheels and they are coming back thursday.

[zszac111]

not really, the front axle is sitting under it, but thats about it. i havent been to the shop in a month or so

[zszac111]

I just built a 408 inch stroker engine for a vette a few months back based on a LQ9 iron block, and it has the standard GM 3 bolts mount available on the side of the block, I think 1 of them might not have been tapped, but it was there... I wish I had pics to show it... I'll look...

I have made up my mind that im going to stroke this motor to a 408 instead of supercharging it . Ill probably do a good set of heads, intake, headers and a cam as well. Do you think 550rwhp is reasonable? also any pointers on any thing? crank brand, ect...

[ARB1977]

I have made up my mind that im going to stroke this motor to a 408 instead of supercharging it . Ill probably do a good set of heads, intake, headers and a cam as well. Do you think 550rwhp is reasonable? also any pointers on any thing? crank brand, ect...
Pussy, just kidding. When your done you better smoke them tires.

[zszac111]

Pussy, just kidding. When your done you better smoke them tires.

O i will, all 4 at the same time, front only, rear only, line locked front and rear ect... on the pavement :D Im going to buy 2 spare 47's just for it. now ive also got to have my th400 built, also custom TQ to work right with the power curve the motor will produce after it gets dyno'ed

[zszac111]

OK well i guess im going to abandon this project. They are building a XRRA (extreem rock racing association) corse at gray rock, which is about 15 mins from the shop. So me and a buddy will start builing a rock racer. I will probably still use the stroked motor since it should be in the 550rwhp range, TCI powerglide tranny, 2.0 atlas, 16" triple rate coilovers, 2.5" airbumps on all 4 corners. The rig will also double as my trail rig so I will be putting a steering axle in the rear even though it has to be pinned for comp's. Im not sure if i want to make it a single seater or a small 2 seater, I will probably be doing more trail riding that comps in this so i need another seat, which kinda messes me up on the mid engine setup i was wanting to run. As far as axles are concerned I will probably go one of three routes, a 60/9 diamond, SOLID axle, or something custom. I know i will use SOLID axle's Inner C's, knuckles, and high steer arms. will run 17" double beadlocks, cant decide on tire choice now, but would like a sticky.

[Wes]

Passengers are overrated. Put the seat in the back.

[zszac111]

Passengers are overrated. Put the seat in the back.


agh... i have only seen a couple buggy's that i actually thought looked ok with the fighter jet seating arrangements. I will just build it with the motor up front since this will be used for mostly trail riding with maybe 2-3 comps a year, Im going to try to have it finished for the June 1st- 2nd event at gray rock. So i guess i got a good bit of work in front of me, I should be able to get the chassis built in a couple full days of work. Got to get the seats first though, or i can use some milk cartons :D

[BigMudTruk]

Any updates or pics of the rig?

[ATLRoach]

Come on Luke read down the page!

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60807&page=2

[BigMudTruk]

Come on Luke read down the page!

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60807&page=2

LoL I've even looked at this thread, I just forgot it existed!