New bumper pics

[RaideRNatioN]

Well, I decided to wing it and try and build my own bumper. Ive been scoping it out for a few months looking at other designes and stuff. So I finally broke down and bought a bender and made it happen. The pics are kind of far away cuz my welds are uber ugly ;P but I know that I got good penetration and that thing is on there strong! After i built the main uprights and lower cross bar, I went to mount the top bar and noticed I had some angle on it as you can see in the pics. At first I was ready to go back to the chop saw and cut the uprights down a bit more but then it kind of grew on me and I decided to leave the slight angle. I still have to fab up the lower left and right and make a hoop for it. Im also planning on making a support that runs from the fender guard down to around the body mount somewhere. Its made out of SCH 40 Pipe. I was going to go with some DOM 1.5 x .125 but the guy at the welding supply told me Id be better of with the SCH40.

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[StemsCornfedTaco]

not to bad man, you should have painted it Gold for the Dick :p

[99FlowedTaco]

nice .. :D

[DesertTRD]

Ok wait so you used PIPE not TUBE to build a bumper? The guy at the welding store is a moron... YOu were right using DOM the first time....

[hammerdown]

Well, I decided to wing it and try and build my own bumper. Ive been scoping it out for a few months looking at other designes and stuff. So I finally broke down and bought a bender and made it happen. The pics are kind of far away cuz my welds are uber ugly ;P but I know that I got good penetration and that thing is on there strong! After i built the main uprights and lower cross bar, I went to mount the top bar and noticed I had some angle on it as you can see in the pics. At first I was ready to go back to the chop saw and cut the uprights down a bit more but then it kind of grew on me and I decided to leave the slight angle. I still have to fab up the lower left and right and make a hoop for it. Im also planning on making a support that runs from the fender guard down to around the body mount somewhere. Its made out of SCH 40 Pipe. I was going to go with some DOM 1.5 x .125 but the guy at the welding supply told me Id be better of with the SCH40.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/sloppyslim16/IMG_2129.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/sloppyslim16/IMG_2128.jpg


is this taylor in socal??? if so, email me and ill send you some pics of the bumper you sold me. matt = tacomedic@sbcglobal.net

[RaideRNatioN]

Ok wait so you used PIPE not TUBE to build a bumper? The guy at the welding store is a moron... YOu were right using DOM the first time....
Well, I talked with 2 guys at an industrial welding supply/shop. Both of these guys were master welders and both of them had experience in the off road arena and rock crawling yada yada yada. They both told me that DOM was good, but SCH40 pipe was better due to its wall thickness/strength. They said it was more likely to handle abuse and less likely to dent than DOM. I was also reading on here earlier in the year that some people have turned to SCH 40 cuz DOM just cant handle the abuse. To be honest, it doesnt matter to me. Both are good from what Ive read/learned and I just happened to use SCH 40. Plus i was able to find a bender for cheap to use with it. :D Im happy!

[equin]

Wow. Not bad at all for your first time! Looks great. Good idea planning for the side support braces, too. That'll help maintain some structural integrity in the event of an impact on the end of the main bar. And yeah, I know some might flame for using Sch 40 instead of tubing, but it's only a bumper, not a safety cage, and it's still a whole lot stronger than the stock plastic crap.

[SAR_Squid79]

I agree - Not bad at all, but I hope you're going to put something under there to protect that radiator!

[DesertTRD]

Well, I talked with 2 guys at an industrial welding supply/shop. Both of these guys were master welders and both of them had experience in the off road arena and rock crawling yada yada yada. They both told me that DOM was good, but SCH40 pipe was better due to its wall thickness/strength. They said it was more likely to handle abuse and less likely to dent than DOM. I was also reading on here earlier in the year that some people have turned to SCH 40 cuz DOM just cant handle the abuse. To be honest, it doesnt matter to me. Both are good from what Ive read/learned and I just happened to use SCH 40. Plus i was able to find a bender for cheap to use with it. :D Im happy!
once again those two at the supply shop certified or not are beyond moronic.. How is sch40 better, yea it will resist denting, instead it will crack and fracture first... how much better is that???? check the tensile stregths on both those items and you will see... they obvoiusly have no idea in the offroad world, unless your talking back ass redneck engineering (nothing personal against the redneck types on this board) but even a redneck would know to use TUBE instead of SCHEDULE 40 PIPE....

PIPE is for sprinklers, TUBE is for Offroad Fabrication....

[RaideRNatioN]

I agree - Not bad at all, but I hope you're going to put something under there to protect that radiator!
Yeah, i just removed the skid and stuff to get the bumper on.

[CronusTRD]

Sch 40 Pipe is fine for a bumper if it's not being used for anything structural.

[zszac111]

i agree that shc40 is ok for bumpers but it is heavy compared to tubing, just dont go using it on any roll cages or anything. this damn debate will always go on. :rolleyes:

[tanKoma]

i like the approach, im sure u could fit a serious winch in there with all that room

[socaltacoma]

i think that bumper looks good. If the welds are ugly its ok as long as they hold up. What kind of bender did you use?

[JESSE_at_TLT]

Material choice aside, the difficult thing about building tubular bumpers for Toyota trucks is that the frame is so much lower than the damn body. It won't take much of a hit to fold that bumper. I'd try to run some type of support from higher on the bumper back down into the frame at another point.

[RaideRNatioN]

i think that bumper looks good. If the welds are ugly its ok as long as they hold up. What kind of bender did you use?
I used a bender I bought at Harbor Freight. Just saw a pipe bender on sale and decided to pick it up and give it a try. 12 ton i think.

[RaideRNatioN]

Material choice aside, the difficult thing about building tubular bumpers for Toyota trucks is that the frame is so much lower than the damn body. It won't take much of a hit to fold that bumper. I'd try to run some type of support from higher on the bumper back down into the frame at another point.
Definatley! Im not thru yet :D . This is just the basics for now. Im going to fab up some supports for the far outside wrap arounds down to the frame as well as some supports coming in at an angle from around 10" back ontop of the frame to the upright/main cross bar intersects. It'll look a bit goofy but that will definatley help structurally with the integrity of the bumper. I was planning on this from the beginning as Im pretty sure Im going to put a small stinger on top as well. I also still need to fab up the lower wrap arounds on both sides.

[RaideRNatioN]

i like the approach, im sure u could fit a serious winch in there with all that room
Yeah, I tried to design it for that as well. Even though I dont have the money for a good winch right now, I know that I will get one in the future so I might as well have the room for it :D Nice thing is, I will be attaching the winch directly to the frame and not really any parts of the bumper. I should be able to stick a plate in there that I can reinforce from underneath on the frame that will hold it.

[RaideRNatioN]

What do you guys think of the angle on the top bar? Should I chop the uprights and put it flush with the body or leave it like it is with the down angle on it? I built it to be strong and practical, but Id also like it to look cool too!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/sloppyslim16/IMG_2131.jpg

If so, then I get to break out my new Milwaukee sawsall and have at it :saw: :D

[Zackattak]

What do you guys think of the angle on the top bar? Should I chop the uprights and put it flush with the body or leave it like it is with the down angle on it? I built it to be strong and practical, but Id also like it to look cool too!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/sloppyslim16/IMG_2131.jpg

If so, then I get to break out my new Milwaukee sawsall and have at it :saw: :D

Personally, I'd make it flush with the body

[synovus]

Personally, I'd make it flush with the body

Ditto. I'm not liking that look as is.

[jimbo74]

im with that idea also....... ^^^^^^^ i think it sticks out way too much... the whole point of running an offroad bumper is to imrove offroad angles, but that thing has worse angles than a stock bumper

[zszac111]

Ditto. I'm not liking that look as is.

rick you have to change your damn avatar, unless i see two fully nude chicks i dont care :xbeer1:

[jon_7248]

Ditto. I'm not liking that look as is.

Im sorry, I got distracted by your picture on the left... what are we talking about?


Personally It does stick out a bit. Like my old bumper from my old 4runner. It was grand for a winch and more. I even had people sit and sleep on the top while camping before I had the winch. But on the trails (tight trails) it would hit trees, ground, and other stuff. Got anoying after awhile. Just personal though.

[synovus]

rick you have to change your damn avatar, unless i see two fully nude chicks i dont care :xbeer1:

This is the closest thing to a two nude chicks avatar this board will allow! :D

[RaideRNatioN]

cool, when i get another couple days off I will chop it, grind it and make it flush. Then I can finish it :D

[RaideRNatioN]

Well, i chopped the uprights down and made the bumper more flush with the body. I also added some side supports, made out of DOM 1.5 x .125 and put some light tabs on. All thats left is the stinger, which i have to have bent for me cuz my bender sux, and the supports from the main bar to the stinger. Had to do some bridging when i made the supports cuz there were some gaps but it came out ok. My welds are getting better tho :D :saw: What do you guys think?

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[zszac111]

looks better, however it will still fold up if you hit something, even at a slow speed, go up to a tree, and stick it in low range and just slowly try to push on the tree and see if it doesnt rip the welds off. add atleast 2 more braces back to the frame, as well as some gussets..

[RaideRNatioN]

Yup, still gotta do that. Took me about 3 hrs to just get the supports done so I quit after those. I will get to the gusetts and supports for the main uprights done next weekend hopefully :welder:

[Armored]

Don't let them talk smack about sch40. We call it East coast titanium. We make buggies out of it. I agree that DOM is stronger and lighter. But the thicker sidewall and the fact is will stand the beating on rocks better. My buggy is made of it and i rolled it 3 times a week and a half ago. Only dented 1 bar alittle.

This buggy is one im helping build and it's all sch40. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397894

[surfpunk]

Don't let them talk smack about sch40. We call it East coast titanium.

But the thicker sidewall and the fact is will stand the beating on rocks better.

i call it jerry riggin. im a little surprised that people will not only say sch40 is good for an offroad vehicle, but actually recommend it over DOM as well :confused:


like has been said, PIPE is for sprinklers, not offroad vehicles (or anything structural for that matter).

[RaideRNatioN]

Well, this topic can turn into a huge debate, and Ive seen it happen. Everyone has there own opinions about which is better for what blah blah blah. In my eyes either one is better than none. I like SCH 40 because I can bend it and work with it...with DOM I would need to buy or make a nice bender. SCH 40 doesnt have the strenth on paper that DOM does but from what I've researched and seen, It does withstand denting better than DOM. I like both :D , but I like SCH 40 cuz I can play with it. However, if I was to build a cage for my truck I would make it DOM just to be safe. But again, remember you cant flame someone for making a cage out of SCH 40, cuz any cage is better than no cage. At least they're safer than with just sheet metal over them. For my bumpers its all SCH 40 though.

[rojodiablo]

i agree that shc40 is ok for bumpers but it is heavy compared to tubing, just dont go using it on any roll cages or anything. this damn debate will always go on. :rolleyes:
So, do you have to TIG weld schedule 40, and pretend it's chromoly, or can you just solder it, since it's only for plumbing applications??? Man, I get so confused. And let's face it, lead solder is even more expensive than welding rod....Anyway, not such a bad idea to use a PIPE that fits the bender... easier and less money than going the other route, and I am sure the bumper will be just fine. Good job. :rolleyes:

[zszac111]

So, do you have to TIG weld schedule 40, and pretend it's chromoly, or can you just solder it, since it's only for plumbing applications??? Man, I get so confused. And let's face it, lead solder is even more expensive than welding rod....Anyway, not such a bad idea to use a PIPE that fits the bender... easier and less money than going the other route, and I am sure the bumper will be just fine. Good job. :rolleyes:

dunno why its directed to me, the main reason i say dont use it for a cage is the weight, i do think a properly designed gauge built out of shc40 will hold up to the roles/flops that we may put a truck through, but not a 75mph barrell role. just dont know why you would want to make your center of gravity so much higher... to save a few bucks

[rojodiablo]

dunno why its directed to me, the main reason i say dont use it for a cage is the weight, i do think a properly designed gauge built out of shc40 will hold up to the roles/flops that we may put a truck through, but not a 75mph barrell role. just dont know why you would want to make your center of gravity so much higher... to save a few bucks
I wasn't directing it at you; sorry. I agree, the pipe has less options for a cage, and weight would be an issue possibly. For bumpers and sliders, I think it's a good idea, he will save a lot of money in start up cost to armor his truck.

[zszac111]

I wasn't directing it at you; sorry. I agree, the pipe has less options for a cage, and weight would be an issue possibly. For bumpers and sliders, I think it's a good idea, he will save a lot of money in start up cost to armor his truck.

and i totally agree with you on that, but the poo pipe cage vs 1018-1020 dom vs 1018-1020 hwew vs 4130 vs 4340 debate will never end :D . everyone has opinions and pocketbooks.

[RaideRNatioN]

Its finished! I finally put in some supports and I think Im done. I was going to go with a hoop or possibly a stinger but at this point I dont think I need it, but I can always add it later if I feel I need it for functionality. I was originally going to put the side supports behind the front body mount but I figured that it would interfere with my steering box when I do my SAC. I think it is much stronger now :D

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[drewcruikshank]

Nice job on the bumper man.

Personally, I use PVC to make all my buggies. its super lightweight and goes together really well with the cement and purple primer (no welding). All the fittings come in all the angles you will ever need, so you dont even have to cut the angles.
If you want to build it super strong for competitions and stuff, just get a 300' roll of soft copper pipe. Its kinda heavy but hey, you dont even need a tubing bender. you can do it all by hand.

[Captkirkyota]

Its finished! I finally put in some supports and I think Im done. I was going to go with a hoop or possibly a stinger but at this point I dont think I need it, but I can always add it later if I feel I need it for functionality. I was originally going to put the side supports behind the front body mount but I figured that it would interfere with my steering box when I do my SAC. I think it is much stronger now :D

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Looks very good and suited for your offroad needs. Good job.

[Ted]

My buggy is made of it and i rolled it 3 times a week and a half ago. Only dented 1 bar alittle.


Sounds like someone needs to learn how to drive.

[zszac111]

you will still have room for the steering box if you do a SAS. thats somewhat how mine were done before i cut the front half of my truck off the other day. you can somewhat see them in this pic....http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/911175/P1010149resize.JPG

[RaideRNatioN]

I just wasnt sure cuz Ive seen a lot of pics of SAC'd trucks and it seems like the steering box is very close to the front body mount. Now I can start focusing on getting my parts for the swap :saw: :welder: . One project at a time :D Damn those axles are wide, nice though!

[zszac111]

Damn those axles are wide, nice though!

fullwidths rock, well atleast out here they do. if i was out west they may have made it hard or impossible to get on the trails.