the new 2.7L

[tercel89]

I just went to look at it today (the new 2.7 L 4CYL) and i hate it . Ipresently have a 2003 2.7L and love it even though it is a few HP less than the new one. I first noticed the serpentine belt. That made me mad! If that one belt breaks , then you are screwed. The way my Taco is , if i break a belt, it is for only one item , and not all the accesories and vital "organs" . The other thing is that it looked as if it had a "drive-by-wire" throttle linkage . I am not sure but it sure looked like it had it . I dont like relieying on a servo to give my engine a throttle response, i have to deal with that enough with my Traxxas T-Max. And the other 2 things were the Thermo-plastic intake-manifold and valve cover .I have a plastic manifold on my work vehicle (Ford Crown Vic Policew Interceptor) and it has had a recall already because of craking due to heat deformations. Now i had a 1996 Chevy Z-24 with a plastic intake and it was fine. But i think i will stick to my 2003 . I dont to piss anybody off , i am just telling you of what i found while looking at the new 2.7L . And one other thing , what is up with the new auto-tranny in the V-6 not having a dip-stick? I saw a " check" thing in the bottom of the pan but whats that?

[Schuey2002]

>>"And the other 2 things were the Thermo-plastic intake-manifold and valve cover."<<

I think that plastic thingie is just there to fancy things up and cover up the bare valve cover.. Gawd forbid that some soccer mommie see spark plug wires and the like!!

LOL! :D

[tercel89]

i am all about keeping it simple.Fu*k the soccer mom and her wires! i am so sick of these people and their wanting their cars to look "good" . Well , "GOOD LOOKS " aint going to get you down the road! No offense to you Shuey2002, i agree with you !

[Schuey2002]

If you take a look at the entire Toyota/Lexus vehicle range, you are going to find black plastic valve covers on pretty much everything..

Toyota has gone pol-eeee-mire crazy!

Tercel, no offense taken. ;)

[tercel89]

cool dude . At least you agree with me . I thought i'd get blasted for "bashing" the new Taco.

[Schuey2002]

Dude, I bash the new Taco all the time, and I want one.. I think!

Speaking of bashing, have you seen that post over on TundraSolutions.com about someone's composite bed has already cracked?? If you haven't, you need to go check it out..

Talk about Toyota dropping the ball! Plastic beds.. whatever! :rolleyes:

[mrbigbri]

The Tacoma bed cracking issue is turning out to be a HUGE deal. A guy at work has one and yep, after 3 weeks of ownership, his bed has cracked. Can you imagine how that would "hold-up" to off-road use? Yikes!

Brian

[Schuey2002]

Anyone want to place any bets on how bid of a fiasco this whole composite bed thing is going to turn out to be???

*ding ding ding*

It's Recall Time!!

Bend over, Toyota, 'cause here it comes! >> :doggystyl

[wslytoy]

think that plastic thingie is just there to fancy things up and cover up the bare valve cover.. Gawd forbid that some soccer mommie see spark plug wires and the like!!

LOL! :D


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[tacoma0309]

I wondered how that bed was gonna hold up? I just thought that Toyota knew what they were doing....guess not! Hey ....do soccer moms know how to raise the hood anyway? :)

[Schuey2002]

>>"Hey ....do soccer moms know how to raise the hood anyway?"<<

I highly doubt it.. :D

[96tacolx]

I wondered how that bed was gonna hold up? I just thought that Toyota knew what they were doing....guess not! Hey ....do soccer moms know how to raise the hood anyway? :)

I don`t think it`s a question of "if" they know how. Most soccer moms won`t ever ATTEMPT to raise the hood. : P

[BOOBANELLI21]

"And one other thing , what is up with the new auto-tranny in the V-6 not having a dip-stick? I saw a " check" thing in the bottom of the pan but whats that?"

You now check the tranny with that instead of the dipstick
:(

They also take a different type of fluid called World Standard or WS.

[nastynate]

The Tacoma bed cracking issue is turning out to be a HUGE deal. A guy at work has one and yep, after 3 weeks of ownership, his bed has cracked. Can you imagine how that would "hold-up" to off-road use? Yikes!

Brian

that sucks! i was hoping it wouldn't be just hype... oh-well, back to the drawing board!

will there ever be a way to protect the bed w/o paying $400 to a spray-on company or be forced to use a plastic insert!
*sigh*

[Valkyrie]

[QUOTE=BOOBANELLI21They also take a different type of fluid called World Standard or WS.[/QUOTE]
Read=Expensive :eek:

[98 Taco]

I want a new truck, Tacoma, whatever so bad, but why would you want another 2.7?
I want bigger and more HP, torque, not another small engine
I am hoping to get a newer 4-runner!!!

[Pete]

I know there was someone TS.com that had a cracked bed, is this in fact another one? :lmao:

[Schuey2002]

If you're worried about the "World Standard" fluid in the auto tranny being expensive to replace, just buy a Toyota with either the manual 5 or 6-speed instead..

:D

[scottnmos]

anyone have the link to that bed crack issue??

[Schuey2002]

Go to www.tundrasolutions.com , log in, and then go check out the Tacoma forum..;)

(I couldn't direct link the thread because it's protected somehow..)

[ShowStop]

I first noticed the serpentine belt. That made me mad! If that one belt breaks , then you are screwed. The way my Taco is , if i break a belt, it is for only one item , and not all the accesories and vital "organs" .

Just remember, even with the three belt set-up on the pre-2005 models, if you broke the belt to the water pump, you are just as screwed. The serpentine .vs multi-belt argument is pretty weak when you look at it that way.

[tercel89]

well , when i am on the trail, i take extra belts with me , but it seems like it would be a long- time- thing to put on a serpentine belt out there in the mud and stuff, i guess i am old fashined and like the serparate belt system.I can pop on a new belt in no time with a universal wrench and a big screw driver and be back on the tail cought up with my buddies in about 5 mins. With a serpentine , you have to torque a lot of stuff up and you need extra hands to do it while keeping pressure on the belt and tightening it all up.

[tercel89]

98 Taco, i just like the 2.7L and it being a 4 CYL , it is alot easier to work on and all that when maintenace time rolls around . Also when cleaning the enigne off after a trail run , the 4 seems alot easier to get clean.When off-road , the 4 in low range provides me with all the power i need.

[equin]

I want a new truck, Tacoma, whatever so bad, but why would you want another 2.7?
I want bigger and more HP, torque, not another small engine
I am hoping to get a newer 4-runner!!!

Cuz the 2.7L is one of the easiest and most reliable engines around. Plus when you consider that an 86 302 V8 is rated at around 190-200 hp, a 99 150 hp 4 cylinder in a much lighter Toyota ain't too shabby.

[tercel89]

Equin , you took the words right out of my mouth! You are exactly right. Its light weight , extremely reliable, and just a good engine . And yes , the HP to size ratio is good too.

[jjrambo]

well , when i am on the trail, i take extra belts with me , but it seems like it would be a long- time- thing to put on a serpentine belt out there in the mud and stuff, i guess i am old fashined and like the serparate belt system.I can pop on a new belt in no time with a universal wrench and a big screw driver and be back on the tail cought up with my buddies in about 5 mins. With a serpentine , you have to torque a lot of stuff up and you need extra hands to do it while keeping pressure on the belt and tightening it all up.
This statement is wrong. It's really quite easy to put a serpentine on. you just pop it over all the pullies and use a long handled wrend on the tensioner and pop it under the tensioner let it down and your back in business. I'm sure if you went to someone that has this setup and played with it a little you would see that it is actually much easier to do then a multi belt system.

[tacoma0309]

I kinda like the idea of having the three belt setup myself, but I do have to say that when I put a serpentine belt on my wifes old firebird and it was pretty easy, especially since I don't know much about working on engines.

[Steelerfan]

I just went to look at it today (the new 2.7 L 4CYL) and i hate it . Ipresently have a 2003 2.7L and love it even though it is a few HP less than the new one. I first noticed the serpentine belt. That made me mad! If that one belt breaks , then you are screwed. The way my Taco is , if i break a belt, it is for only one item , and not all the accesories and vital "organs" . The other thing is that it looked as if it had a "drive-by-wire" throttle linkage . I am not sure but it sure looked like it had it . I dont like relieying on a servo to give my engine a throttle response, i have to deal with that enough with my Traxxas T-Max. And the other 2 things were the Thermo-plastic intake-manifold and valve cover .I have a plastic manifold on my work vehicle (Ford Crown Vic Policew Interceptor) and it has had a recall already because of craking due to heat deformations. Now i had a 1996 Chevy Z-24 with a plastic intake and it was fine. But i think i will stick to my 2003 . I dont to piss anybody off , i am just telling you of what i found while looking at the new 2.7L . And one other thing , what is up with the new auto-tranny in the V-6 not having a dip-stick? I saw a " check" thing in the bottom of the pan but whats that?

I don't mean to critisize you, but just about ever maufactorer is using serpaentine belts now days. I don't like it either but there no way of getting around it. Thats just the way it's going to be from now on. Also in my experiance at highway speeds if you lost or broke one of the belts it whipped out the others some of the time. I'm not a fan of the plastic intake manifolds either, but at least it was made by Toyota who has such a good reputation for producing quality products.

[Steelerfan]

98 Taco, i just like the 2.7L and it being a 4 CYL , it is alot easier to work on and all that when maintenace time rolls around . Also when cleaning the enigne off after a trail run , the 4 seems alot easier to get clean.When off-road , the 4 in low range provides me with all the power i need.
I agree with oyu 100%

[agroal]

My brother in-law, who happens to be clueless about automobiles, leases a new Saturn Vue. Saturn, in English, translates to: What a POS! The Vue's auto tranny has the same deal. It's the 4 sp. auto, not the CVT tranny. I figure, that's a whole other scary GM "ownership expeirience". No dipstick. "Never have to check your trans. fluid", I hear the salesman saying. Funny thing is he origionally went in for "free service" on his SL4 or whatever the name is of the sedan shitbox he previously leased, and the salesman convinced him for a few $$ more a month you now can proudly display this new plastic shitbox in your driveway! When he showed up at our house last month proudly displaying his new trophy, I took a stand. I looked him squarely in the eyes and said "Beautiful car Frank"!

[agroal]

Your right. Eff those soccer moms. ..........Any out there? LOL

[BOOBANELLI21]

Read=Expensive :eek:


How much more than T-4?
:confused:

[equin]

Equin , you took the words right out of my mouth! You are exactly right. Its light weight , extremely reliable, and just a good engine . And yes , the HP to size ratio is good too.

Yeah! And I agree with you, too, about it being real easy to clean!

I tell ya, the venerable, older 22RE is a great, dependable engine, but I think the 2.7L blows its doors off with the improved timing chain guide design, improved head gasket fitment and overall reliability - which says alot considering how reliable the 22RE is. I can easily see this engine going 300K to 400K no problems without a rebuild. Heck, my buddy has 265K miles on his 96 2.7L, and not only does he continue to drive it as his daily driver, he continues to wheeling it hard on the trails, too!

Plus, this warrants to be repeated - it's sooo easy to maintain and work on. I've been looking to trade in my 2.7L Prerunner for a 4x4 Tacoma, but only for another 2.7L. I've already declined a few good 3.4L 4x4 candidates only cuz I gotta have that super easy to maintain 2.7L! Gotta love that great little 4-banger!

[Shakerhood]

My Girlfriend has a new Cavalier and I dont like the plastic intake shit on the car at all. In fact the throttle cable was not secured to anything and moved around and rubbed through the hood insulation and also polished the top of the valve cover. About the only thing I do like is the manual tranny and the way the oil filter has a cap on the housing and a little cartridge inside, so changing the oil is pretty easy.

[shortbus]

Dude, I bash the new Taco all the time, and I want one.. I think!

Speaking of bashing, have you seen that post over on TundraSolutions.com about someone's composite bed has already cracked?? If you haven't, you need to go check it out..

Talk about Toyota dropping the ball! Plastic beds.. whatever! :rolleyes:


I knew that was gonna happen. Composite beds are bullsh!t IMO. I gaurentee there will be many more with cracks. And the whole intake manifold thing...the whole manifold better not be composite. If it's just some cover than fine, but if the whole thing is, like the new Silverados and crap, I will not buy another Taco till they change that. Out in AZ my stepfather (who owns a shop) has seen tons of vehicles with the composite manifolds come in. They crack and crap falls down into the cylinders. Why did Toyota have to go to the stupid crap product ideas. Just stick with what works dammit! :mad:

[jjrambo]

I knew that was gonna happen. Composite beds are bullsh!t IMO. I gaurentee there will be many more with cracks. And the whole intake manifold thing...the whole manifold better not be composite. If it's just some cover than fine, but if the whole thing is, like the new Silverados and crap, I will not buy another Taco till they change that. Out in AZ my stepfather (who owns a shop) has seen tons of vehicles with the composite manifolds come in. They crack and crap falls down into the cylinders. Why did Toyota have to go to the stupid crap product ideas. Just stick with what works dammit! :mad:
If you go on the customtaco website you and look around you will find pics of the new taco. it's nothing but a plastic cover. to make the engine look pretty. That's all it is. There are some pics as well of the new 4 runner with the cover off somewere on there as well.

toyota may have made a bad decision with the bed of the truck, but the rest of it is all good.

I will admit I was kind of excited to hear that yota was going to do something about the never ending battle with the beds of trucks rusting. This has been a battle for all truck enthusiests. The thing is is that toyota has been the only one to attempt something as drastically new as this. no other company has even played with the idea. Toyota is the first to offer a power outlet in the bed as a standard option. yeah the bed back fired a little but hey guess what it's under warrenty and I have enough faith in toyota that they will probably do a voluntary recall on the beds after more start cracking. If they have to go back to metal big deal but at least they tried to do something new.

[equin]

toyota may have made a bad decision with the bed of the truck, but the rest of it is all good.

I will admit I was kind of excited to hear that yota was going to do something about the never ending battle with the beds of trucks rusting. This has been a battle for all truck enthusiests. The thing is is that toyota has been the only one to attempt something as drastically new as this. no other company has even played with the idea. Toyota is the first to offer a power outlet in the bed as a standard option. yeah the bed back fired a little but hey guess what it's under warrenty and I have enough faith in toyota that they will probably do a voluntary recall on the beds after more start cracking. If they have to go back to metal big deal but at least they tried to do something new.

I may be wrong, but I thought GM was the first to try a non-metal truck bed awhile back? But that's cool that the new Tacoma has a power outlet in the bed.

[jjrambo]

I may be wrong, but I thought GM was the first to try a non-metal truck bed awhile back? But that's cool that the new Tacoma has a power outlet in the bed.
well I guess I'm just not as old as you are, :lol:. I don't recall this one.

[TQM3 (Last IFS in AZ)]

I just went to look at it today (the new 2.7 L 4CYL) and i hate it . Ipresently have a 2003 2.7L and love it even though it is a few HP less than the new one. I first noticed the serpentine belt. That made me mad! If that one belt breaks , then you are screwed. The way my Taco is , if i break a belt, it is for only one item , and not all the accesories and vital "organs" . The other thing is that it looked as if it had a "drive-by-wire" throttle linkage . I am not sure but it sure looked like it had it . I dont like relieying on a servo to give my engine a throttle response, i have to deal with that enough with my Traxxas T-Max. And the other 2 things were the Thermo-plastic intake-manifold and valve cover .I have a plastic manifold on my work vehicle (Ford Crown Vic Policew Interceptor) and it has had a recall already because of craking due to heat deformations. Now i had a 1996 Chevy Z-24 with a plastic intake and it was fine. But i think i will stick to my 2003 . I dont to piss anybody off , i am just telling you of what i found while looking at the new 2.7L . And one other thing , what is up with the new auto-tranny in the V-6 not having a dip-stick? I saw a " check" thing in the bottom of the pan but whats that?


That is the one thing I was disapointed in my 2.7 is that it did not have the serpentine belt. I have had both types and prefer the single belt myself..... :D

[jjrambo]

That is the one thing I was disapointed in my 2.7 is that it did not have the serpentine belt. I have had both types and prefer the single belt myself..... :D
Another thing that you have to think of is that it is better to lose a belt that runs everthing, instead of one that runs say the water pump. If you lose your water pump and aren't paying attention then lots of damage! you lose a serpentine then you have lose in power, power sterring all of that. Your going to stop and do an imediate check as to what the heck is going on.

This makes sense to me.

[tercel89]

the "no-dipstick "in tranny thing is crazy to me ! What if the guy at the factory didnt fill it all the way? Belive , it happens , i used to own a 2002 Frontier ! which was a piece of $hit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

[equin]

well I guess I'm just not as old as you are, :lol:. I don't recall this one.

According to this article, GM introduced the first composite truck beds in 1999-2000, so if you were born after 1999, then yeah, I'm a whole lot older than you - lol!

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3012/is_10_179/ai_57513424

[DakotaTacoma]

Never buy a "new model" year vehicle, wait until the bugs get worked out.
That's why I waited a year to geyt my 1996.

Cracking beds my @$$, that's BS on toyota's part! Don't they know people put heavy things in p/u beds???

[Schuey2002]

^^

It looks like I won't be buying an '05 Taco anytime soon.. :rolleyes:

[jjrambo]

According to this article, GM introduced the first composite truck beds in 1999-2000, so if you were born after 1999, then yeah, I'm a whole lot older than you - lol!

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3012/is_10_179/ai_57513424
Yeah um that's just tomuch reading for me to concern myself with right now.

but yeah i'll be waiting till the 06 model now so they can work the bugs out and such!

[Shakerhood]

If you go on the customtaco website you and look around you will find pics of the new taco. it's nothing but a plastic cover. to make the engine look pretty. That's all it is. There are some pics as well of the new 4 runner with the cover off somewere on there as well.

toyota may have made a bad decision with the bed of the truck, but the rest of it is all good.

I will admit I was kind of excited to hear that yota was going to do something about the never ending battle with the beds of trucks rusting. This has been a battle for all truck enthusiests. The thing is is that toyota has been the only one to attempt something as drastically new as this. no other company has even played with the idea. Toyota is the first to offer a power outlet in the bed as a standard option. yeah the bed back fired a little but hey guess what it's under warrenty and I have enough faith in toyota that they will probably do a voluntary recall on the beds after more start cracking. If they have to go back to metal big deal but at least they tried to do something new.
Plastic on an engine is going to crack over time because it will not expand and contract at the same rate as the other engine parts. As far as the bed, the sun will really work on that thing, I know my bedliner swells up when its parked in the sun. They are on a quest to make everything lighter so they get better gas mileage.

[TQM3 (Last IFS in AZ)]

This statement is wrong. It's really quite easy to put a serpentine on. you just pop it over all the pullies and use a long handled wrend on the tensioner and pop it under the tensioner let it down and your back in business. I'm sure if you went to someone that has this setup and played with it a little you would see that it is actually much easier to do then a multi belt system.


I've had both and have to agree with you. In my experiance it is always the belt closest to the engine that breaks reqireing the other belts to come off also. The cars I've had with serpintine belts its a 5 min or less job to change..... :D

[BLT2RCKTRD]

A lot of manufactures are going with no automatic transmission dipstick, so that the soccer moms can't mess anything up. I know the reason Ford has done it is because they are calling the fluid in there a "lifetime" fluid. I am guessing it is lifetime because the whole thing will crap out at 100k. Not a big fan of not being able to check fluids, or flush them for that matter.

[BLT2RCKTRD]

My Girlfriend has a new Cavalier and I dont like the plastic intake shit on the car at all. In fact the throttle cable was not secured to anything and moved around and rubbed through the hood insulation and also polished the top of the valve cover. About the only thing I do like is the manual tranny and the way the oil filter has a cap on the housing and a little cartridge inside, so changing the oil is pretty easy.
But aren't those cartridge filters more expensive than a regular filter?

[BLT2RCKTRD]

I may be wrong, but I thought GM was the first to try a non-metal truck bed awhile back? But that's cool that the new Tacoma has a power outlet in the bed.
Didn't they just do a composite tailgate.

[equin]

Didn't they just do a composite tailgate.

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/gmheavy1.html

And according to the link I posted earlier....

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3012/is_10_179/ai_57513424

[Shakerhood]

But aren't those cartridge filters more expensive than a regular filter?

No they are 4 or 5 bucks from the Dealer, so priced about the same. Easy to change and no mess!

[BLT2RCKTRD]

No they are 4 or 5 bucks from the Dealer, so priced about the same. Easy to change and no mess!
Wish it was that easy to change the oil on a tacoma.

[equin]

Wish it was that easy to change the oil on a tacoma.

??? You must mean the 3.4L, cuz its super easy to do with the 2.7L. Hardest thing to do on the 2.7L is the fuel filter. Everything else is a breeze.

[tacoma0309]

I wish the oil change on the 3.4 was as easy as the 2.7. Thats the only thing I miss on my 99'.