Bobbleheads!

[spindleshanks]

Here's what I did on Thanksgiving! (on private property by trained firearms owners, using complete gun safety principles, legally acquired firearms, and shooting against an earth burm. The Bobbleheads and Mazda are also private property)

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[AK98Taco]

You probably left the bobbleheads when you were done, didn't you?

That car should be hauled to a recycling yard.

[spindleshanks]

Thanks Officer, but the property is a privately owned salvage yard on 40 acres, belonging to a good family friend of mine...feel better now? Yes, we left the bobbleheads there...are you trying to suggest that we're irresponsible, careless, or reckless? Because that's certainly how it reads.

[spindleshanks]

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[AK98Taco]

Thanks Officer, but the property is a privately owned salvage yard on 40 acres, belonging to a good family friend of mine...feel better now? Yes, we left the bobbleheads there...are you trying to suggest that we're irresponsible, careless, or reckless? Because that's certainly how it reads.

From the pictures it looks like wide open desert plains. I apologize for not knowing it was private property when you made no mention of it :rolleyes:

The photos themselves suggest that you are irresponsible and reckless.

I hate to single people out and point fingers, but we all need to be aware of the image we project of ourselves (the offroading community). What looks like harmless fun to one person may look like environmentally damaging and socially irresponsible behavior to another person. Sorry for stepping on your toes, but I am used to tiptoeing through my picture postings as we have a lot of people watching the Alaska forums I post on, and a few people have written the forum owner because of pictures they felt portraited intentional damage of the environment. We have to be careful as we never know who is watching and taking notes.

[spindleshanks]

True, but also excessive.
First of all, I'm more concerned about our safety and responsibility with guns than with trucks. (It's always a primary issue by the way) And the photos suggest no such irresponsibility or recklessness. Are we running around hooting and hollering waving our guns in the air? NO.
By your standards, most of the wheeling pictures on this and other sites are potentially damning...Perhaps we should position each 4wheeling photograph to include a Forest Department trail sign in the background, just to prove that we're not on private property? Maybe in future shooting photos, I should affix my hunter's safety card and driver's license to all photos? Let's just get ahold of our wild assumptions here. If you feel these photos are inappropriate, you know who to take it up with. I''ve edited the post to include information regarding legality.

[AK98Taco]

True, but also excessive.
First of all, I'm more concerned about our safety and responsibility with guns than with trucks. (It's always a primary issue by the way) And the photos suggest no such irresponsibility or recklessness. Are we running around hooting and hollering waving our guns in the air? NO.
By your standards, most of the wheeling pictures on this and other sites are potentially damning...Perhaps we should position each 4wheeling photograph to include a Forest Department trail sign in the background, just to prove that we're not on private property? Maybe in future shooting photos, I should affix my hunter's safety card and driver's license to all photos? Let's just get ahold of our wild assumptions here. If you feel these photos are inappropriate, you know who to take it up with. I''ve edited the post to include information regarding legality.

Okay, man, I'm not out to change your ways. Just pointing out that shooting stuff on top of an abandoned car is less than bright in the eyes of many.

Instead of saying, "Yes, we should haul that car out," you're acting like a sarcastic jackass and making me look like a paranoid narc when I'm just trying to note that perhaps these photos could be construed negatively and cast a derogatory view on offroaders.

Sorry for offering a conservative view of the photos.

[spindleshanks]

Yeah, I may be. But I'm not agreeing with you here!
The owner of the car and property is in the Salvage Yard business...There is no home for this car after that! It is one of hundreds of vehicles on his lot that have no future, no value, and are all but stripped bare and rusted out.
And you know, shooting anything at all is less than bright in the eyes of many. Let's not open that can of worms. I don't hunt game...big or small, I don't shoot animals or people. I shoot inanimate things that react in an entertaining manner to a bullet. And I do it in a safe, controlled environment, privately owned environment with others who are trained in gun safety just as I am.
To use your phrase, 4Wheeling is less than bright in the eyes of many...Trying to drive up a rock face instead of around it while risking severe and irrepairable body and chassis damage is less than bright in the eyes of many. I think you want this site to be too apologetic to the general american public, who may or may not actually be checking it out at all.
And let's not make it sound like I took an innocent post and shoved it up your tailpipe...You came at me here flailing wild accusations, and you did not do it politely. Let's avoid the sugar coating.
But if you feel that I should take the photos down, we'll hold a vote.
Folks, please put in your 2 cents. If you feel that the photos I've posted are inappropriate, I'll voluntarily remove them.

[AK98Taco]

I think you want this site to be too apologetic to the general american public, who may or may not actually be checking it out at all.

Not quite. I just don't want the anti-access people to have any more ammo than they already have.

And let's not make it sound like I took an innocent post and shoved it up your tailpipe...You came at me here flailing wild accusations, and you did not do it politely. Let's avoid the sugar coating.

Not really. I said:

You probably left the bobbleheads when you were done, didn't you?

That car should be hauled to a recycling yard.

I accused you of leaving the bobbleheads (that sounds funny :D ), which you admitted to. Then I said the car should be hauled out, and you explained (which I thank you for). You said the rest about being irresponible or reckless. I never accused you in particular of doing anything. Anyone that knows me would say I'm one of the most polite, respectful, and courteous persons around.

But if you feel that I should take the photos down, we'll hold a vote.
Folks, please put in your 2 cents. If you feel that the photos I've posted are inappropriate, I'll voluntarily remove them.

I am more than willing to retract my statements for the sake of your thread; ask and ye shall receive. Now that I know it was private property I will just rest my case.

You're getting way too worked up. I apologize for antagonizing you or being misleading with my statements.

[spindleshanks]

You're right, I am getting way too worked up. I apologize, and I see where you're coming from. I took it beyond a civil argument.

[AK98Taco]

You're right, I am getting way too worked up. I apologize, and I see where you're coming from. I took it beyond a civil argument.

Hey, man, my approach was not the best. The intention was never to attack you or make a spectacle of you, only to offer constructive criticism that sometimes we must be careful in what we post, because we never know who is watching.

Clarity and brevity are not my strong points at some times.

[hawaiianbro]

It's like posting up pornographic pictures of you and your g/f......then you catch your mom looking at them! :eek:

Just nobody wants that to happen.

[blown4runner]

My fawking gawd boys, simmer the fawk down... If you are highly offended by this post then you should be reading other chapters. Hence you do not live here. We've gone through our little spat about this gentlemans clicking noise and I can tell you that at times you come across as an individual who takes politically correct and technicalities a little too far. I understand that this post was not intentionally meant to attack any certain individual, yet your implications have done so. I know Spindleshanks, his father is a gunsmith and he is very responsable in handling his fire arms. We all have our opinions per certain subject matter, yet "can't we all just get along" (Rodney King then Angry Andy :D )

Cum on boys we're all sent to this earth to have a fawk load of fun, with responsability and concern for our fellow man. Yet we can't please em all. We are only gauranteed one life and then certain death... fawking enjoy it while it lasts :p Wheel hard and have fun... mucho love fur everyone :D

[Lysmachia]

Hey I know Thomas as well. (Well at least on these forums) besides everone kissed and made up and thats all that matters. There now aren't we all happy that I didn't have to throw a mod flag on the play?

[blown4runner]

hee, hee... I swore to gawd that you were goin to mod me... My I hate people syndrome is showing again :D

[AK98Taco]

I'm simmered. I think we both are.

You obviously haven't read any of my posts about God or homosexuality or racism and the like. You'd know I'm no friend of political correctness.

While I am often a perfectionist that likes to use accurate terms, I think my posts in this thread were taken in a context other than what I intended.

[blown4runner]

I'm simmered. I think we both are.

You obviously haven't read any of my posts about God or homosexuality or racism and the like. You'd know I'm no friend of political correctness.

While I am often a perfectionist that likes to use accurate terms, I think my posts in this thread were taken in a context other than what I intended.

dude, whatevers clever... um I am little weary due to fact that this is not the first time that your posts intend has been mis-construed. I can't say anything for anyone else but having fun and being intelligent in real world circustances takes priority over sounding textually intelligent on a 4 wheeling forum

[AK98Taco]

dude, whatevers clever... um I am little weary due to fact that this is not the first time that your posts intend has been mis-construed. I can't say anything for anyone else but having fun and being intelligent in real world circustances takes priority over sounding textually intelligent on a 4 wheeling forum

I'm both intelligent and fun in real world situations.

Hopefully we can meet one day and you can see who I really am.

[AngryAndy]

....takes priority over sounding textually intelligent ...

Textually intelligent??

Holy crap, I need to look that up.

[blown4runner]

I'm both intelligent and fun in real world situations.

Hopefully we can meet one day and you can see who I really am.

I'm sure your fine. I am not concerned, as was previously stated whatevers clever... And you probably wouldn't care to see who I really am, the phrase sick, twisted and demented come to mind. If your curious just check out the drinking thread and the whatcha look like thread... I'm the non-white individual in the pictures... demon spawn

[Lysmachia]

You two are not allowed to meet. You would both get angry and combust. Bwa Ha Ha!!!

[blown4runner]

You two are not allowed to meet. You would both get angry and combust. Bwa Ha Ha!!!

kinda like Andy and I

[AK98Taco]

You two are not allowed to meet. You would both get angry and combust. Bwa Ha Ha!!!

I probably wouldn't say much, other than ask questions about technical stuff.

I'm pretty angry sometines. I looked through a thesaurus and the only synonym that started with a "T" was "turbulent". Turbulent Thomas?

[Lysmachia]

Turbulent Thomas meet Angry Andy. Angry Andy meet Turbulent Thomas.

Ding Ding.... Now fight. *grin*

(This fight is not sanctioned by the below posted Moderator)

[MuddButt]

I just logged on after a quick " P ".

I understand Thomas' posts completely.

I also know and completely understand "shanks" and his position.

Keep this in mind:

Here's what I have learned over the years ....this is how BAD communicators do things ...which I personally feel is irresponsible itself.

They Tell or Talk .....but don't Teach....theres a huge difference.
They Point and Yell .....but don't Lead....again...big difference.
They try to Enforce .....but don't Assist....again.
They focus on changing your position .....rather than examine the similarities.

Food for thought.

[blown4runner]

I just logged on after a quick " P ".

I understand Thomas' posts completely.

I also know and completely understand "shanks" and his position.

Keep this in mind:

Here's what I have learned over the years ....this is how BAD communicators do things ...which I personally feel is irresponsible itself.

They Tell or Talk .....but don't Teach....theres a huge difference.
They Point and Yell .....but don't Lead....again...big difference.
They try to Enforce .....but don't Assist....again.
They focus on changing your position .....rather than examine the similarities.

Food for thought.

wow, Greg I love you... I had no idea you had such deep reasoning inside your brain. That's awesome :D

[tacotoy]

you might have if you weren't so cold lmao!

[blown4runner]

you might have if you weren't so cold lmao!

fawk off Rich... damn, oh yeah and I apologize for being a cold, drunk biatch the other night... :eek: hee, hee, hee

[tacotoy]

lol no you didn't lol...... and you were only a biatch once you got cold..... alcohol just keeps ya interesting

[blown4runner]

lol no you didn't lol...... and you were only a biatch once you got cold..... alcohol just keeps ya interesting

yeah, imagine how interesting things would have gotten if we'd been inside and warm... um besides me using you as my personal teddy bear/pillow/moraladvisor/well the list is getting longer

[tacotoy]

fawk....... just call me god n get it over with lol

[spindleshanks]

I just logged on after a quick " P ".

I understand Thomas' posts completely.

I also know and completely understand "shanks" and his position.

Keep this in mind:

Here's what I have learned over the years ....this is how BAD communicators do things ...which I personally feel is irresponsible itself.

They Tell or Talk .....but don't Teach....theres a huge difference.
They Point and Yell .....but don't Lead....again...big difference.
They try to Enforce .....but don't Assist....again.
They focus on changing your position .....rather than examine the similarities.

Food for thought.



BMW management training Greg?

[blown4runner]

fawk....... just call me god n get it over with lol

no, its more fun to say all that crap than condense it

[tacotoy]

lol thats going to be one long t-shirt then lol

[blown4runner]

:cool: lol thats going to be one long t-shirt then lol
yeah, but it'll make people think... which there is very few things in this world anymore that do that

[tacotoy]

starbucks makes people think...... what order do you say all that shit in when you go in there?

[blown4runner]

starbucks makes people think...... what order do you say all that shit in when you go in there?

starbucks is the chit... my bro works there and I get free coffee

[MuddButt]

Spindle .....let's go wheeling man... I got a chub when I thought you were comin' ...

You pick a trail man ...and we'll do it ....

[spindleshanks]

Starbucks buys the low grade milk....it's from genetically 'encouraged' cows, so the likelihood of pus and blood in the milk is much higher than from natural milk. Usually pus milk is made into chocolate milk, but it works great for Frankenbucks because you can't see the milk discolorations in their coffee.

[blown4runner]

Starbucks buys the low grade milk....it's from genetically 'encouraged' cows, so the likelihood of pus and blood in the milk is much higher than from natural milk. Usually pus milk is made into chocolate milk, but it works great for Frankenbucks because you can't see the milk discolorations in their coffee.

wow, thats a little more information than I needed to know. Um, haven't you heard the term ignorance is bliss... and I am not picky, caffeine is caffeine, and gawd only knows where I'd be without it

[blown4runner]

Spindle .....let's go wheeling man... I got a chub when I thought you were comin' ...

You pick a trail man ...and we'll do it ....

hey, what am I chop liver now... I'd still like to run a trail with people not possessing SASs... ;)

[MuddButt]

Anyone have those 4 wheel drive trail books....by Charles Wells? Look up some runs and we'll discuss them.

Let's find a "Moderate" run(s) to do. I did Schubarth last year by myself,stock....but thats like too easy I think ...

There are a few near Vail that look kinda interesting but snow could be a problem ...

I think heading South is the way to go to "Winter Wheel" ...

Any thoughts?

Oh and Nic ...we'll go wheelin' I just want everyone to be involved ...I'd like to wheel with EVERYONE in the club ....know what i'm sayin' ...

Otherwise it will turn into like small groups of people and shit ....I'm not about that. I'm an equal opportunity wheeler ...LOL!

[spindleshanks]

Spindle .....let's go wheeling man... I got a chub when I thought you were comin' ...

You pick a trail man ...and we'll do it ....


For sure. Maybe we'll do a daytime run! lol. What about your area? Anything good round there? My buddy in C-Spgs would like to do some wheeling. Have you gotten to take your rig off road with its new components yet? I just fixed my exhaust we were talking about the other day. The pipe had been too close to a couple of different spots in the undercarriage, so when I accelerated from a stop, or downshifted, it vibrated through the bed and chassis. So I loosened everything up, twisted it around a bit, and now it's like having a new truck. The increase in driveability is amazing. My take offs and downshifts are smooth and quiet like they were with the stock exhaust. I guess I just did a half-assed job originally. Imagine that!

[blown4runner]

Anyone have those 4 wheel drive trail books....by Charles Wells? Look up some runs and we'll discuss them.

Let's find a "Moderate" run(s) to do. I did Schubarth last year by myself,stock....but thats like too easy I think ...

There are a few near Vail that look kinda interesting but snow could be a problem ...

I think heading South is the way to go to "Winter Wheel" ...

Any thoughts?

Oh and Nic ...we'll go wheelin' I just want everyone to be involved ...I'd like to wheel with EVERYONE in the club ....know what i'm sayin' ...

Otherwise it will turn into like small groups of people and shit ....I'm not about that. I'm an equal opportunity wheeler ...LOL!

What you think I wanna go wheeling alone with you, the more people the merrier... Carnage was awesome we had a gaggle of people some who didn't even drive it... But this club has issues with getting a whole lot of people together fur wheeling. Most of the runs I've done are a small gaggle of people, especially during the winter. Its hard to schedule something... trust me this next year we'll be doing a lot chit, like Moab trips, etc... Like I posted a few weeks ago this will become an offroading club after all. I joined this club to wheel with toys... hee, hee... :D

[MuddButt]

For sure. Maybe we'll do a daytime run!

I'm free ...uhmm...everyday 'till after the holidays ...lol

What you think I wanna go wheeling alone with you

Nope.:D

Anyone have those 4 wheel drive trail books....by Charles Wells

?

[spindleshanks]

Yeah, my schedule is a joke for the rest of the year. I can arrange any day of the week for the most part.

[Lysmachia]

Yeah I do. (Have the books) Ultimatly snow is gonna be the issue. Hate to say it but it will liklely just be a forest circus road with some snow and that should get us into enough trouble as is. Chains might be a good idea. Since I make my own hours right now I am pretty available but I do need to have some work done on my truck this week (Like get the ghetto steering fixed as well as have the brand new winch replaced). I was wishing I had my winch 2X with Josh on Carnage. It would have been helpful for sure with the snow....

[MuddButt]

After that Carnage run I dreamt Keith Richards was trying to buy my pubic hair on ebay .....I need to see a therapist.

[spindleshanks]

Keith Richards would need a merkin (google it)

[MuddButt]

funny shit but i'm not a woman ....the site I saw said "woman's pubic wig?" ...LOL .....wtf....LMFAO

[spindleshanks]

I always assumed a merkin was gender unspecific

[MuddButt]

LOL.....I've never heard that word in my life ....news to me ....

Merkin ...LOL

[blown4runner]

LOL.....I've never heard that word in my life ....news to me ....

Merkin ...LOL

any new words for my vocabulary gentlemen