LT...Total Chaos vs. Camburg

[YoTRacer158]

Who has what, and how do you like it? What are the pros and cons of each? As of now I'm leaning towards TC, but I'm really not sure. Help me make up my mind!

[YoTRacer158]

and while we're on the same subject...king vs racerunner for coils and bypasses

[drabnor]

and while we're on the same subject...king vs racerunner for coils and bypasses

pick a color

[YoTRacer158]

it can't be that easy...

[drabnor]

it can't be that easy...

why not?

they are all basically the same inside... like i said, pick a color

[nos4you]

Are you going to retain ure 4wd????? I wonder how long those front axles will last w/ long travel.

[YoTRacer158]

yes I will be getting the modified tundra axles to retain 4wd

[Kirkenhiemer]

Do you like boxed A- arms or tubed. Camburg has the bump stop option, but other than that I think there basically both good companies. TC has all the fab. goodies, like spindal gussets ,shock hoops. Shocks- King vs Fox is probably a better match up .

[YoTRacer158]

The boxed A arms seem more bulky, and seem like they would get hung up more than the tubed arms...but at the same time look more rugged and durable. And TC definately has a lot of goodies

I've never really thought highly of Fox, always seemed like racerunner and king were the big two...

[prerunnerguy]

just pick one and go with it you will be happy with either kit they both do quality work. i think on here everyone will be split between the two then there will be a few guys like me that say ditch the 4wd and go esb or Blitzkreig. and as far as shocks go i like kings but have never owned anything elese, and yes it is just as easy as picking a color watch rdc and dezertrangers and pick up some from there if you want to save a little $$ that is what i have done i have new shocks for the front and rear of my truck and all 4 bumps that i have picked up from those sites

[YoTRacer158]

The ESB kit would be my choice, but It's a little out of my budget

[rojodiablo]

The ESB kit would be my choice, but It's a little out of my budget
I think the kits which let you keep the 4wd is the best deal. You don't always need the push button, but when you need it to haul someone out, or low gear it over something, you just can't beat the 4wd. I have to agree, pick a color. And, King gets the nod, although there is nothing wrong with Fox, they just don't do as many taco's as King. Buuuutttt, the SAW from the 'Burg, valved right would be hard to pass on. So, again, pick a color.

[boylem002]

and for God's sakes, put some sort of proprietary bolt or locking mechanism on the shocks, been some theft of those lately here in SoCal. I never understand it, people put 1000 dollar shocks on without 'security' but they'll damn sure make sure that 100 dollar spare is locked on!

[prerunnerguy]

and for God's sakes, put some sort of proprietary bolt or locking mechanism on the shocks, been some theft of those lately here in SoCal. I never understand it, people put 1000 dollar shocks on without 'security' but they'll damn sure make sure that 100 dollar spare is locked on!


did i miss something :confused:

[shroom27]

I have run the Total Chaos kit AND am currently running th Camburg kit. The advantages to the Camburg kit is the lower uniball pivots, (my upper arms also pivot on uniballs and you could probably have the same at an extra cost) the ability to run an airbump on top of the bypass/coilover combo, I like the lower misalignment spacer/slug adapter as one piece and of course the sexy boxed lower arms.

You can run the TC spindle gussets with any Tacoma kit that uses stock spindles.

Pick whatever shocks that you can get the best deal on and make them work but I personally would only consider KING or Fox.

[boylem002]

did i miss something :confused:

http://tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22897&highlight=theft

[Baja Belk]

why not?

they are all basically the same inside... like i said, pick a color

??? Have you ever seen the inside of either shock? I'm not gonna start bashing SAW, they actually have improved a little bit, but in terms of quality of components SAW doesn't even fall in the same category as King. I rebuilt shocks for two years, and let's just say we had to fix WAY more SAWs then Kings. Half the SAWs that came in I could twist the shock body out of the end cap with my hand, or especially often, the end loop off the shaft. To get a King shaft out of the endloop we had to heat up the endloop with a torch for about 2 minutes before having to use a wrench and a breaker bar with all my weight on it. Most of the time I had to heat it up more than once. Also, I saw way more broken shims on SAWs then King. I think I saw broken King shims once. I could go on but basically Kings have better heims, shafts, seals (Viton), shims, and better components all around. There's a reason why you don't see hardly any SAWs on high dollar race vehicles. Now with that said, they're not THAT bad for the price, but if you're going for quality (and something that's gonna work better out of the box) go King or Fox.



I've never really thought highly of Fox, always seemed like racerunner and king were the big two...

Fox's new shocks are giving King a run for their money. REALLY, REALLY nice shocks.

always seemed like racerunner and king were the big two...

Probably cuz they represent the two extremes of race shocks. You see Kings on all the Class 1s and TTs, and SAWs on all the budget prerunners.

[brock]

really you cant go wrong with either company... doesnt camburg offer a ttora 10% discount? i really like both companies, cant go wrong with either. same with king and racerunner... even though i do beleive king has better customer service. every time ive been in there everyone has been real nice and helpful, while my shocks were in there brett gave me a tour of the whole warehouse... cool dudes there.

[LavosTRD]

why not?

they are all basically the same inside... like i said, pick a color
wheres my money???

[YoTRacer158]

Kings it is for coils/bypasses...for reasons mentioned on and off this board. Still debating the LT setup though

[Tweeter]

I went with Fox because I like blue better (I really did pick a color lol) and I got a smokin' deal too. Pretty much the same with the Total Chaos kit too, I just liked the tube arms more and the second shock hoop was pretty sweet too, I just wish it ran airbumps, that's my only hang up. I have yet to run it though. March 25th is test day.

[trdtrlsntrq]

I have run the Total Chaos kit AND am currently running th Camburg kit. The advantages to the Camburg kit is the lower uniball pivots, (my upper arms also pivot on uniballs and you could probably have the same at an extra cost) the ability to run an airbump on top of the bypass/coilover combo, I like the lower misalignment spacer/slug adapter as one piece and of course the sexy boxed lower arms.

You can run the TC spindle gussets with any Tacoma kit that uses stock spindles.

Pick whatever shocks that you can get the best deal on and make them work but I personally would only consider KING or Fox.


I have read and heard mention of the lower uniball's on the Camburg kit, but I have never seen it, even in the advertisement's, there are no picture's. :confused:

Anybody got some they can share?

[trdtrlsntrq]

??? Have you ever seen the inside of either shock? I'm not gonna start bashing SAW, they actually have improved a little bit, but in terms of quality of components SAW doesn't even fall in the same category as King. I rebuilt shocks for two years, and let's just say we had to fix WAY more SAWs then Kings. Half the SAWs that came in I could twist the shock body out of the end cap with my hand, or especially often, the end loop off the shaft. To get a King shaft out of the endloop we had to heat up the endloop with a torch for about 2 minutes before having to use a wrench and a breaker bar with all my weight on it. Most of the time I had to heat it up more than once. Also, I saw way more broken shims on SAWs then King. I think I saw broken King shims once. I could go on but basically Kings have better heims, shafts, seals (Viton), shims, and better components all around. There's a reason why you don't see hardly any SAWs on high dollar race vehicles. Now with that said, they're not THAT bad for the price, but if you're going for quality (and something that's gonna work better out of the box) go King or Fox.



Fox's new shocks are giving King a run for their money. REALLY, REALLY nice shocks.



Probably cuz they represent the two extremes of race shocks. You see Kings on all the Class 1s and TTs, and SAWs on all the budget prerunners.


Funny, :rolleyes: a lot of what you have said, I have heard quite differing opinion's. I guess I gotta' "get out more." Admittedly, I haven't done a lot , or maybe even, ENOUGH study and research.
Thank's for the input!

[trdtrlsntrq]

yes I will be getting the modified tundra axles to retain 4wd

Sorry to be a post whore, after I have "gone through the motion's", as far as the long travel setup, I have seen some , for lack of better wording, BADASS, setup's as far as Birfield's, heim's, "machining". There are some FAR superior axle setup's, as you are probably aware. There just isn't enough exposure for these "setups." I guess the mighty dollar has a REAL BIG influence in regard's to some of this stuff.
I'm just putting this as a side note, because I personally look back and wonder "IF" there were a better way of putting the axles, CV's, etc., why not take it to the next level, so to speak. Then again, it's gonna' have to be someone with more time and bigger pocket's.

On another topic, I have been greatly impressed with my SAW's.
Obliviously :eek: , I am no expert at 4X's, but the SAW's ROCK :xrocker: !

[x0ffr0adtac0x]

I have read and heard mention of the lower uniball's on the Camburg kit, but I have never seen it, even in the advertisement's, there are no picture's. :confused:

Anybody got some they can share?

Click here (http://camburg.com/tacomaP.html)

u can see them just scroll down and check out the pics....i would take pics of my truck buts its dark outside

[surfpunk]

i think you need to ask yourself if you need a second shock and airbumps. if you think youre going need a second shock along with an airbump, then go with camburg. if you dont think you'll need the airbump, go with whichever you like better. i have put my total chaos through a lot of shit (including having the lower arm dig into the sand all the way to the frame at about 50 mph and take me to a complete stop), and i know shroom put his kit through a lot of shit, and i know nothing is wrong with my kit and i dont beleive anything happened to shrooms kit while he had it. id be impressed to see someone bend or break TCs lower arm. the ONLY thing with the TC kit is you must keep an eye on the lower ball joint bolts. two of the bolts like to vibrate out, and if that happens theres a good chance the spindle will dislocate itself from the lower arm (happened to me twice, but do to lack of prep and it was my own fault) but if you keep an eye on it you should be fine. but dont get me a wrong, a lower uniball IS superior. i have a single coilover, valved very well, and it does very well. it already out performs my 62s with well valved shocks, i couldnt imagine it with a second shock. you can also set up bypasses as a bump stop as well. so basically what im getting at is unless youre going pretty fast through the desert you probably dont need a second shock and airbump. if you think you will need the second shock AND an air bump then go with camburg. if you think you could do without an air bump, go with which ever you like better. if you like the TC design better, then you should ask yourself if the lower uniball is worth sacrificing whatever makes you like the TC kit better...

sorry for the novel, but thats my 10 cents...

[surfpunk]

oh and like shroom said, the spindle gusset can be used with the camburg kit as well, since it uses the stock spindle. one other thing, camburg came out with a new kit that is able to use 2 shocks and a bump, thier old kit uses 1 shock and bumps, so if you buy a used camburg kit its likely that its the older kit.

[Baja Belk]

I went with a 3-tube bypass as opposed to the normal 2-tube, and I've got the second compression tube basically acting like a bumpstop. My front setup is pretty soft, maybe even too soft, but I think I've bottomed out the front ONCE, and that was on the Baja 1000 course when I hit a big hole hiding at the end of a decent string whoops doing probably 40. Even then I think I bottomed out harder on the skidplate/bumper than the suspension, due to the ruts killing my ground clearance. That said having a bumpstop definitely isn't a bad thing, but for the extra $500 you really don't need it for most applications.

[YoTRacer158]

I went with a 3-tube bypass as opposed to the normal 2-tube, and I've got the second compression tube basically acting like a bumpstop.

Exactly what I was planning on doing. I was planning on going with the single shock TC kit to get everything started, and then upgrade to the dual shock hoop with bypasses when funds permit. I've been pretty set on the TC kit from the beginning, I just didnt know enough about Camburgs new kit to completely rule it out without even looking into it.

[YoTRacer158]

Sorry to be a post whore, after I have "gone through the motion's", as far as the long travel setup, I have seen some , for lack of better wording, BADASS, setup's as far as Birfield's, heim's, "machining". There are some FAR superior axle setup's, as you are probably aware. There just isn't enough exposure for these "setups." I guess the mighty dollar has a REAL BIG influence in regard's to some of this stuff.
I'm just putting this as a side note, because I personally look back and wonder "IF" there were a better way of putting the axles, CV's, etc., why not take it to the next level, so to speak. Then again, it's gonna' have to be someone with more time and bigger pocket's.

On another topic, I have been greatly impressed with my SAW's.
Obliviously :eek: , I am no expert at 4X's, but the SAW's ROCK :xrocker: !

I agree completely as to the "BADASS" setups that are out there. Being that two of my good friends designed the cantilever setup that I will be running out back, I'm sure we could come up with something pretty cool up front...but like you said, time and pocket depth are definately factors for something like that. When I can find a truck to begin my "project", maybe we can start tinkering with that. There were pics of a Tacoma on here a while ago that was pulling 20" travel up front...can't find it though

[trdtrlsntrq]

LOL :rofl: :xozzy: :rofl: :xsmokin1: :xsmokin1: :welder: Hey Dudes, :xsmokin1: like has anybody heard, like if there are any Camburg Lower Control Arms, with the lower uniball included, for sale, and shit????:rofl: :rofl: :xsmokin1: LOL :xcrazy:

Gotta' Stir the Pot a little, whoop's, I guess I coulda' worded that batter. Uhm, Uhm, better (Freud slip):rofl: :xsmokin1: :rofl: :xsmokin1: :driving:


Carry On..................

[prerunnerguy]

a little off topic but for the guys who have the tc and burg kits after you guys are bumped and straped what kind of travel #'s are you pulling

[Tweeter]

Around 13"

[Tweeter]

I agree completely as to the "BADASS" setups that are out there. Being that two of my good friends designed the cantilever setup that I will be running out back, I'm sure we could come up with something pretty cool up front...but like you said, time and pocket depth are definately factors for something like that. When I can find a truck to begin my "project", maybe we can start tinkering with that. There were pics of a Tacoma on here a while ago that was pulling 20" travel up front...can't find it though

As for pulling a lot of travel up front, I've seen Giant Motorsports make I-beams for yotas, maybe you'd want to talk to them, just a thought.

[egress81]

link motorsports has a tacoma that there building that i would kill for there is a build up thread about it on dezertrangers

[Baja Belk]

LOL :rofl: :xozzy: :rofl: :xsmokin1: :xsmokin1: :welder: Hey Dudes, :xsmokin1: like has anybody heard, like if there are any Camburg Lower Control Arms, with the lower uniball included, for sale, and shit????:rofl: :rofl: :xsmokin1: LOL :xcrazy:

Gotta' Stir the Pot a little, whoop's, I guess I coulda' worded that batter. Uhm, Uhm, better (Freud slip):rofl: :xsmokin1: :rofl: :xsmokin1: :driving:


Carry On..................


?? Who is this guy???

[Paul]

?? Who is this guy???
He is the guy with Fabtech and long travel.

[motoxscott]

We feel our kit is the best option for someone looking for a bolt-on long-travel kit for a few reasons. Yes we can build something more extreme with a custom spindle/hub like ESB and others but most people dont need something that extreme. Chris (Shroom) is a perfect example of what these types of bolt-on kits are capable of. He raced the SCORE Baja 1000 and SCORE Laughlin races with our kit on the front with ZERO problems and will continue all year.

Here's what set our kit apart from the others ....

Boxed lower a-arms = They are stronger by design and also lighter weight. We were the first to build tacoma long-travel kits and our first versions had tubular lower arms many years ago. A boxed lower arm isnt just for looks, why else would every new race truck built use them as well?

Uniball pivots = We use 1.00" uniballs on the lower a-arm pivots for a few reasons. They last 100x longer and will not flex, bind or wear out like a poly or delrin bushing. We do this with all our long-travel kits because poly or rubber bushings flex way too much and are not a precision part. Two bushing and a sleeve cost $7.50 per pivot a uniball with cnc machined stainless spacers cost $80 per pivot ... you get what you pay for.

Coilover, Bypass & Airbump 2wd & 4wd = Our redesigned kit allows you to use all of these unlike anyone else. You can upgrade as needed and we have a ready to weld-on shock mount for the bypass shocks.

Attention to details = we only use the highest grade parts with our kits, every spacer is CNC machined from 17-4 stainless steel including our steering extensions, we include quad wrap limit straps, stainless/kevlar brake lines and our MIG welding is some of the best in the industry.

Their are many other factors that set us apart from everyone else but I've hit on the main points. Look at price, quality, customer service and make your decision from that. Either way you'll be happy.

As far as shocks are concerned, installing a SAW 8" coilover is your best setup for this truck because you are limited in space and the SAW is the smallest version. The King and FOX shocks are longer with the same amount of travel. Todays SAW's are just as good as anything out there, in the past they had some issues but so has everyone else. I'm not biased as we sell everyones shocks, we just prefer that one with this kit because of the size. Any issue you've read on here about SAW's I've encountered with the others at some point. No shock is perfect but they are all great, there are only small differences.

Feel free to call me at the shop or stop on by if you have more questions.

- Scott @ Camburg

[YoTRacer158]

Boxed lower a-arms = They are stronger by design and also lighter weight. We were the first to build tacoma long-travel kits and our first versions had tubular lower arms many years ago. A boxed lower arm isnt just for looks, why else would every new race truck built use them as well?

Years ago? Didnt the new Camburg kits with the boxed lower arms come out pretty recently?

[x0ffr0adtac0x]

Years ago? Didnt the new Camburg kits with the boxed lower arms come out pretty recently?

they first had a ball joint long travel kit-tubular lowers, then came the first uniball kit single shock setup -boxed lowers(ihave this kit), and now the dual shock kit-boxed lowers

[YoTRacer158]

cool thanks

[lasquintanas]

I PM'd you Offroad.

[JESSE_at_TLT]

Surfpunk-
Just to clarify, Camburg's kit still uses a stock lower balljoint at the spindle. They use uniballs for the two lower frame pivots.

Camburg and Total Chaos both make great kits. I run a Total Chaos kit on our Tacoma because when we built our truck they were the only ones that offered a 4WD compatible long-travel kit that accommodated a secondary shock.

I don't think the boxed vs. tubular lower arms are anything to argue over, as both have been proven strong and reliable. Total Chaos would also tell you that they use the highest quality hardware, so let's call that a wash too. The bottom line is that they're both limited to the stock mounting points and width (+3.5"), so the geometry and wheel travel will be very similar (13" with or without 4WD) and they should perform exactly the same off-road.

[YoTRacer158]

So would Camburgs lower uniballs on the frame pivots be stronger than TC's setup?

[JESSE_at_TLT]

Stronger how? The only way either arm is going to rip out of those mounts is it the bolts break and if I'm not mistaken, those are the same in TC and Camburg's kits. Camburg's lower uniballs are definitely more expensive to build/include with the kit (and to replace), but I haven't had any problems with our lower bushings. One advantage of the lower uniballs would be that they don't require any lubrication.

[str8xedge]

I don't know if i'd really be concerned about the strength of a lower uniball pivot as much as the fact that uniballs won't flex or wear out nearly as fast as bushings. In reality I don't feel it's that big of a deal. Now that both kits offer a second shock as an option, Total Chaos' advantage has dissapeared. Bottom line is that they are both awesome kits with a seemingly perfect amount of travel for the hp the V6 puts out. Both companies have good customer service and put out quality products. Just make sure if you call Camburg to ask for Scott. I guarantee he'll take care of you.

Now as far as the brand of shocks is concerned. As scott mentioned, SAW is the way to go on this front end as the collapsed and extended lengths of the 8" stroke coilover are damn near perfect. Ive heard of all the usual bullshit happening to all manufacturer's shocks (shims breaking, rust, leaky seals). It seems the bad rep SAW got from the older shocks has needlessly carried over with their new shocks which are comparable to the other shock manufacturers in reference to quality. I think the only reason most high dollar teams ran King is because they could quickly and easily get parts that they needed because King was such as small shop that dealt only with shocks and not other deparments that Bilstein, Fox and SAW all have, and for a long time, King was the only company that offered a 4" diameter shock. For anyone else, all the other manufacturer's are just fine. For this kit go with SAW and for other applications, pick a color.

[Juicy Jaos]

I don't know if i'd really be concerned about the strength of a lower uniball pivot as much as the fact that uniballs won't flex or wear out nearly as fast as bushings. In reality I don't feel it's that big of a deal. Now that both kits offer a second shock as an option, Total Chaos' advantage has dissapeared. Bottom line is that they are both awesome kits with a seemingly perfect amount of travel for the hp the V6 puts out. Both companies have good customer service and put out quality products. Just make sure if you call Camburg to ask for Scott. I guarantee he'll take care of you.

Now as far as the brand of shocks is concerned. As scott mentioned, SAW is the way to go on this front end as the collapsed and extended lengths of the 8" stroke coilover are damn near perfect. Ive heard of all the usual bullshit happening to all manufacturer's shocks (shims breaking, rust, leaky seals). It seems the bad rep SAW got from the older shocks has needlessly carried over with their new shocks which are comparable to the other shock manufacturers in reference to quality. I think the only reason most high dollar teams ran King is because they could quickly and easily get parts that they needed because King was such as small shop that dealt only with shocks and not other deparments that Bilstein, Fox and SAW all have, and for a long time, King was the only company that offered a 4" diameter shock. For anyone else, all the other manufacturer's are just fine. For this kit go with SAW and for other applications, pick a color.


well said.

[YoTRacer158]

Well I guess the LT kit will come down to whichever I can get for thebest price then, and the shocks will depend on that (crosses fingers and hopes for good tax return...)

[brock]

(crosses fingers and hopes for good tax return...)

i hear u man....

[lasquintanas]

Does Camburg make an adapter to hold the second shock, or is TC, or Giant the way to go?

[JeffB]

I to have been going back & forth between Camburg & TC. I finally have the funds together but haven’t pulled the trigger because there are a few things that worry me. Like driveability, noise & vibration. My truck (05) is my daily driver (60 mi./day), I would hate to spend all that money on suspension, fenders, paint, wheels & tires and end up with a truck I don’t want to drive to work.

Today I'm leaning toward TC because of the bushings on the a-arms, I think the uniballs will transmit to much road noise. Maybe I’m wrong and maybe noise & vibration don’t matter to you but I thought it was worth bringing up. Anyone been able to do an apples to apples comparison concerning road vibration/noise in bushings V.S. uniballs ?

[lasquintanas]

I don't have the setup yet, but the interior resonance of my exhaust tends to drown out most sounds anyways.

Don't forget that they LT suspension will improve on road performance as well.

Cheers!

[brock]

wait, so your throwing a lt kit on your truck and your worries about noises?

[YoTRacer158]

have you never heard a longtravel kit before? They squeek like crazy, especially if you dont perform routine maintenance and keep everything lubed

[egress81]

my TC upper arm makes all kinds of squeks from the bushings and uniball but you learn to block it out after a while

[JESSE_at_TLT]

The TC long-travel kit is an improvement in every possible way over the stock suspension. The ONLY downside is the expense. If you've got the money, it's better on-road, off-road, high speed, low speed, handling, flex, etc. My truck was a DD for several years and I didn't notice any more road noise or vibrations transmitted through the long-travel suspension than stock, until I installed the bypass shocks. We dialed the ride in to be a little stiffer, and that obviously affected the ride.

[JeffB]

I have an LT kit on my Jeep and it doesn’t squeak at all, but it’s all urethane bushings, even the fox coilovers.

Yea, I’m worried about noises. I don’t mind doing routine maintenance to keep things quiet, but if the suspension transmits to much vibration I know ultimately I wont be happy driving it every day. I also plan on insulating the entire cab, doors & fenders when I put the stereo in.

I’ve never ridden in a LT Toyota but I have been in a Ranger with the Camburg I-beam set up and it was very quiet aside from the air bumps banging the axle.

[YoTRacer158]

it's going to make noise...I have never heard a truck with LT that didnt squeek and rattle and all of that. I imagine a street queen LT that is just for looks wouldn't squeek, but an LT truck that is used for what it is made for is going to make noise. You just have to realize what's more important - the off road performance, or the streetability. I'm buildingmy truck to perform in the dirt, and it will be a street driven prerunner. I dont care what it sounds like, how it rides on the road or what type of mileage it gets...I'm building it to perform off road. If I was worried about mileage and s quiet ride I would have bought a corolla or something

[Baja Belk]

Yea, I’m worried about noises. I don’t mind doing routine maintenance to keep things quiet, but if the suspension transmits to much vibration I know ultimately I wont be happy driving it every day. I also plan on insulating the entire cab, doors & fenders when I put the stereo in.



Don't get bypasses then. The bypass valves emit this clicking noise that's SUPER loud. Especially when the shock mounts tie into the bed cage which ties into the cab cage. The sound transmits through the cage and into the cab and sounds like all hell is breaking loose. Oh well, wear a helmet....

[JESSE_at_TLT]

There are NO trade-offs or compromises associated with installing a Camburgo or Total Chaos long-travel kit on a Tacoma. It is in EVERY WAY better than stock. It's just expensive. My 4cyl/5spd standard cab Tacoma still pulled 20mpg with 33x10.5's and gets 17mpg +- with 35's. It handles and rides MUCH better than stock. A long-travel kit isn't going to be any noisier than a set of replacement upper control arms. Sean's didn't squeak for 2 years after we installed them. Others have complained that they can't stop the squeaking no matter what they do. Don't know what else to tell you.

[Tweeter]

it's going to make noise...I have never heard a truck with LT that didnt squeek and rattle and all of that. I imagine a street queen LT that is just for looks wouldn't squeek, but an LT truck that is used for what it is made for is going to make noise. You just have to realize what's more important - the off road performance, or the streetability. I'm buildingmy truck to perform in the dirt, and it will be a street driven prerunner. I dont care what it sounds like, how it rides on the road or what type of mileage it gets...I'm building it to perform off road. If I was worried about mileage and s quiet ride I would have bought a corolla or something

I've accepted that it will make noise as well. My uniballs now squeek like no other but I'd rather be driving MY truck than a corolla even if people stare while I drive by lol. Anyways, like Yotracer mine's also mainly for dirt use since I have a "street" car as well so noises would be the least of my worries. And like he said if you don't want noise get a car, theres ups and downs with everything and a little noise is well worth the improved on or off road handling, flex, etc etc. At least you'll know something fell off when it stops squeeking right? :p

[YoTRacer158]

At least you'll know something fell off when it stops squeeking right? :p

Yep...just like our helicopters in the military, if there's fluid leaking that means it's good, you only have to worry when is stops leaking because that means there's none left.

I don't have a "street" vehicle, so my truck will be my daily driver. Which sucks but oh well, I guess I can call in to work for a couple days if I breakdown in Baja...

[Tweeter]

Yep...just like our helicopters in the military, if there's fluid leaking that means it's good, you only have to worry when is stops leaking because that means there's none left.

I don't have a "street" vehicle, so my truck will be my daily driver. Which sucks but oh well, I guess I can call in to work for a couple days if I breakdown in Baja...

Exactly. Yea that does suck but it's not required. I drive my truck more than half the time anyways because I love driving it even if it squeeks like hell :)

[YoTRacer158]

even if I had a daily driver...I'd still rather turn heads with the truck.

Back on topic...who has the best prices for TC and Camburg kits? Cheapest I've seen is $2250 for the TC kit.

[OOwballer]

where did you see that 2250 for the tc at?

[SEAN_at_TLT]

...A long-travel kit isn't going to be any noisier than a set of replacement upper control arms. Sean's didn't squeak for 2 years after we installed them. Others have complained that they can't stop the squeaking no matter what they do. Don't know what else to tell you.

Actually my front end started squeaking after over two years. I assumed it had to be the a-arms since I'd read so many complaints on the web. I pulled the a-arms and re-greased the bushings only to find the squeak was still there. Turns out it was the heims on the coil-overs not the a-arm bushings or uni-balls. A new set of heims and my front end is silent again. Not bad for close to three years, a few trips to Baja, some trail runs and 30 thousand plus street miles.

[Tweeter]

even if I had a daily driver...I'd still rather turn heads with the truck.

Back on topic...who has the best prices for TC and Camburg kits? Cheapest I've seen is $2250 for the TC kit.

Depends what you're buying and if you have any hookups anywhere. $2500 is usually standard but $2250 is still saving money. I believe its $2200 just for the arms at camburg which would be pointless. Basically they cost the same MAYBE the TC is a little cheaper but not much after all that money is spent. Pretty much comes down to if you like the boxed or tube arms in my opinion or whether you want to run bump stops in addition to 2 shocks or just 2 shocks. And yes once my kit is on I'll be driving it more :D

[YoTRacer158]

$2250 was for arms, bushings, limit straps, brake lines, etc...the whole front kit, minus shocks, and dual shock hoop and all those extras. I think the $2200 for Camburg is for the whole front kit...just the kit, no shocks or any of that. And I'd rather go with TC for an extra $50. Camburg backed out on little something they agreed to...so they pretty much burnt that bridge.

[YoTRacer158]

and considering I'm getting all the goodies like the dual shock hoop, heim joint tierod upgrade, spindle gussets and all that...the TC kit is going to end up being a bit more. I'll be tuning one of my tubes on my bypasses to act as a bump so that's taken care of...just dont know if I want the 3 tube kings or the 4 tube Fox's...

[brock]

i had the kit on my silverado it started squeeking after about 2 weeks (it was a rainy season, so im sure that played into it) i didnt mind, i liked the looks i got... but i could imagine someone driving a prerunner thats squeekign like crazy and hating it.

[YoTRacer158]

who all is running 10" coils with their kit? Any benefit to this besides running dual rate coilovers? I'm guessing you need 10" bypasses if you're running 10" coilovers? I havent really looked into it much but it just came to mind.

[JESSE_at_TLT]

I'll be tuning one of my tubes on my bypasses to act as a bump so that's taken care of...just dont know if I want the 3 tube kings or the 4 tube Fox's...
It's pretty much a waste of money to buy 4-tube bypass bypass shocks for the front because they have such a short stroke. 3-tube bypasses would be great and even 2-tube bypasses would probably get the job done almost as well.

who all is running 10" coils with their kit? Any benefit to this besides running dual rate coilovers? I'm guessing you need 10" bypasses if you're running 10" coilovers? I havent really looked into it much but it just came to mind.
10" coils? You mean for a 10" stroke shock? That's not how coil-springs are measured. It's the diameter x length x rate. They'll be 3.0 x either 16 or 18 x 500-600. We run 500lb coilsprings in our standard cab 4cyl 4WD Tacoma, but lots of people run 600lb springs in their V6 extra cab trucks. Remember though, this isn't a case of more-is-better. Whatever rate you choose, you'll get the BEST performance and range of preload adjustment by using 18" coil-springs with flat lower coil-seats instead of the tapered ones. Make sure to cycle the suspension, because the clearances get pretty tight and you'll probably have the same issues with the brake caliper bolts that some people have complained about with the Donahoes, but you just need to grind down the head of the banjo bolt about 25%.

You don't need to run 10" coilovers and you certainly don't want to run 10" bypasses. You NEED to use almost the entire stroke of a bypass shock in order to make it work to it's potential.

[Baja Belk]

who all is running 10" coils with their kit? Any benefit to this besides running dual rate coilovers? I'm guessing you need 10" bypasses if you're running 10" coilovers? I havent really looked into it much but it just came to mind.

You don't want to run 10" shocks for this kit since you can't use the extra travel, and at ride height the piston is going to be higher up in the shock body which messes up the travel because it screws up all the bypass tube placements. You'd theoretically gain more down travel (but realistically not because you're down travel is limited by the CVs and lower balljoint), but you'd have less up travel because the piston is already higher up in the body at ride height, so you'd have to bump the arms way before they reach they're normal uptravel potential. You'd have to make custom upper shock mounts that mount higher up to make it work. I think Shroom runs either 10's or 12's.

[Baja Belk]

and considering I'm getting all the goodies like the dual shock hoop, heim joint tierod upgrade, spindle gussets and all that...the TC kit is going to end up being a bit more. I'll be tuning one of my tubes on my bypasses to act as a bump so that's taken care of...just dont know if I want the 3 tube kings or the 4 tube Fox's...

The 4 tube Fox's would be a pain in the ass to clear with that many tubes, plus the resi hose coming out. I don't even know if it could be done without some major cutting. Even if you did manage it it would be so difficult to reach at least one of the tubes that it almost wouldn't be an advantage. Mine's pretty tight as it is with 3 tubes. Go with the 3-tube.

[Baja Belk]

Oh and as the squeaking goes, my upper arms (uniball) squeaked like crazy the first month or two, and now they rarely squeak if ever. Other than my bypass's clicking, there really isn't any overly noticable squeaks and rattles. Yah, more so than before, but with the windows up and the radio on even a low volume I don't hear anything. (but I turn the radio up anyway :xozzy: :D )

[Tweeter]

Oh and as the squeaking goes, my upper arms (uniball) squeaked like crazy the first month or two, and now they rarely squeak if ever. Other than my bypass's clicking, there really isn't any overly noticable squeaks and rattles. Yah, more so than before, but with the windows up and the radio on even a low volume I don't hear anything. (but I turn the radio up anyway :xozzy: :D )

Hahaha I usually do the same until the cd player starts skipping LOL

[str8xedge]

If I were to run a second shock on my front end, it wouldn't be a bypass. I'm going to run a piggy-back smooth-bodied SAW. For such a limited amount of travel, I want my compression to be working at it's most effective ability throughout the entire stroke of the shock rather than varying.

[shroom27]

Up front, I am running custom 2.5 KING coilovers that have a 14" shock body and shaft for an 8" and custom 3.0 4-tube bypasses that have an 8" shock body and shaft for a 14" shock...I use the entire stroke of both shocks & both stroke the same as a standard 8" shock. It was done this way so that the upper shock mounts did not have to come all the way down from the main tubes on the engine cage and to accomodate the 3" bypass. The brake master cylinder/booster was removed to fit the 3" bypass and there was a BIG difference in handling over the 2.5...BOTH are running a good amount of compression valving. ..and as far as a waste of money for a 4-tube, no way...the extra rebound tube lets the tires fall out faster and combined with the KING pop-off valves in my coilovers, it works great. Is this stuff needed for a daily driven/weekend warrior, NO way...but the faster you want to go, the more compression valving you need.

[JESSE_at_TLT]

If I were to run a second shock on my front end, it wouldn't be a bypass. I'm going to run a piggy-back smooth-bodied SAW. For such a limited amount of travel, I want my compression to be working at it's most effective ability throughout the entire stroke of the shock rather than varying.
I don't think you really understand how a bypass shock works. It's MORE effective than a standard shock.

Chris-
I didn't think about the 4th tube being on the rebound side. I was just thinking that could get to be too many stages on the compression side for such a short stroke.

[trdtrlsntrq]

Well I guess the LT kit will come down to whichever I can get for thebest price then, and the shocks will depend on that (crosses fingers and hopes for good tax return...)

I don't know if buying by the lowest estimate is such a good idea. The reason I say this, is because I was in a similar situation, and I ended up letting the $ALLMIGHTY DOLLAR$ be the deciding factor with my purchase decision. Welp, after all was said and done, I took it up the tailpipe. The statement, "You get what you pay for" is NOT idle chatter!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look around, do a little research. After you have looked around, studied a little, then commit to purchase!
You will have a FAR greater chance of NOT being disappointed!!!!!!!!!
There are MANY, 4WHEELPARTS, MANY, MANY, flaky fuckslop operation's out there. On the flipside, there are some, HONEST, HARD WORKING, STAND UP, type of operation's out there as well. These operation's will "HAVE your BACK", and you will be HAPPY and SATISFIED with your purchase.
Both at the time of purchase, whether or not it was more or less expensive, and after. Simply because they are GOOD PEOPLE. DON"T GET SCREWED! There are too many malcontent's that want you to join their ranks.
Long story short, think twice. You will be happier in the long run!!!
Yeah Baby, HAPPINESS, CONTENTMENT, SATISFACTION, that's the shit that keep's the dirty bastard's, swimming in their own misereable circle's. If they snag you, you've joined THEIR party.

JUST SAY NO TO (insert your favorite :xdevil: ) here.
PEACE, out, late,...................>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[SEAN_at_TLT]

This is so true. I had a bunch of work done at a shop in Ventura and so far almost everything they did has had to be redone eventually. We've also had other issues with fabricators keeping the approximate timeline originally promised. Go with a shop that you feel is trustworthy and has a good reputation. If someone here on TTORA hasn't had a good experience (or any experience for that matter) with a shop you are thinking of using chances are there is a reason for that.

I don't know if buying by the lowest estimate is such a good idea. The reason I say this, is because I was in a similar situation, and I ended up letting the $ALLMIGHTY DOLLAR$ be the deciding factor with my purchase decision. Welp, after all was said and done, I took it up the tailpipe. The statement, "You get what you pay for" is NOT idle chatter!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look around, do a little research. After you have looked around, studied a little, then commit to purchase!
You will have a FAR greater chance of NOT being disappointed!!!!!!!!!
There are MANY, 4WHEELPARTS, MANY, MANY, flaky fuckslop operation's out there. On the flipside, there are some, HONEST, HARD WORKING, STAND UP, type of operation's out there as well. These operation's will "HAVE your BACK", and you will be HAPPY and SATISFIED with your purchase.
Both at the time of purchase, whether or not it was more or less expensive, and after. Simply because they are GOOD PEOPLE. DON"T GET SCREWED! There are too many malcontent's that want you to join their ranks.
Long story short, think twice. You will be happier in the long run!!!
Yeah Baby, HAPPINESS, CONTENTMENT, SATISFACTION, that's the shit that keep's the dirty bastard's, swimming in their own misereable circle's. If they snag you, you've joined THEIR party.

JUST SAY NO TO (insert your favorite :xdevil: ) here.
PEACE, out, late,...................>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[lasquintanas]

This is so true. I had a bunch of work done at a shop in Ventura and so far almost everything they did has had to be redone eventually. We've also had other issues with fabricators keeping the approximate timeline originally promised. Go with a shop that you feel is trustworthy and has a good reputation. If someone here on TTORA hasn't had a good experience (or any experience for that matter) with a shop you are thinking of using chances are there is a reason for that.


What shop? Hope it wasn't Boneyard, im considering them for my LT install...

[YoTRacer158]

First off I was talking 10" stroke coilovers being run with the shook hoop made to allow them, not 10" coilsprings. I was actually planning on running 3" x 16" x 600lb springs.

As far as buying the lowest estimate...what's the difference? You're buying the same parts. I'd rather buy a TC kit from one place for $2250 than the same kit from another place for $2500...wouldnt you? I'll be doing the install myself, along with a few of my buddies who have a decent idea of what they're doing...considering they both work at a shop, and installed a TC kit on one of their trucks. Oh and then there's that little cantilever setup they custom fabbed...

[str8xedge]

I don't think you really understand how a bypass shock works. It's MORE effective than a standard shock.

Chris-
I didn't think about the 4th tube being on the rebound side. I was just thinking that could get to be too many stages on the compression side for such a short stroke.

It's easier to adjust compression and rebound. In actuality it takes away the effectiveness of the piston w/ the way bypass tubes work. Im only saying I would prefer not to run one on the front of this kit. The rear is a whole other story.

[trdtrlsntrq]

First off I was talking 10" stroke coilovers being run with the shook hoop made to allow them, not 10" coilsprings. I was actually planning on running 3" x 16" x 600lb springs.

As far as buying the lowest estimate...what's the difference? You're buying the same parts. I'd rather buy a TC kit from one place for $2250 than the same kit from another place for $2500...wouldnt you? I'll be doing the install myself, along with a few of my buddies who have a decent idea of what they're doing...considering they both work at a shop, and installed a TC kit on one of their trucks. Oh and then there's that little cantilever setup they custom fabbed...

You're right. There is NO difference. Happy shopping!
Bye

[SEAN_at_TLT]

What shop? Hope it wasn't Boneyard, im considering them for my LT install...

Unless the shop I went to changed their name then no. I sent you a PM with the shop name.:)

[Kamr0n]

Hahaha I usually do the same until the cd player starts skipping LOL

get xm :)

[xxxjuhstenxxx]

pick a color
Depends on the kind of kings that you are getting. Last time I check the Prerunner kings (non-race series) didnt have an internal bump stop, and race runners do. Also, everyone and their mother has King, so go Race Runner or FOX!!

[JESSE_at_TLT]

Did you seriously dig this up just to post that?

[jon_7248]

Did you seriously dig this up just to post that?


Looks like it.. so I'll add as well

[Half Baked Taco]

it's a "sticky" so it'll be on top of the whoops for awhile.

[Tweeter]

Mike or I (not sure which one) put it up here so people won't have to ask which company to go with. Just like the Donahoe vs. Camburg thread. :)

[YoTRacer158]

I havent heard anything about it. The 3rd gen is out for pretacoma's...so if there is a new tacoma kit in the works, they're probably back to working on it.

[JESSE_at_TLT]

No, I talked to them about it recently and don't expect it any time soon.

[AllJumpStyle]

I havent heard anything about it. The 3rd gen is out for pretacoma's...so if there is a new tacoma kit in the works, they're probably back to working on it.
The 3rd gen isn't out yet... at least for sale.

[AllJumpStyle]

They're still working on the steering, well at least they were. They were having problems with the sector shafts in the steering box. Once all the bugs are out and they have enough miles on it, it will be for sale.

[YoTRacer158]

The 3rd gen isn't out yet... at least for sale.

Yeah I didnt mean out for sale...

[genrec]

I know this is dedicated more to 04 and earlier tacos.......i have an 06 that im heavily considering going LT.........only i pose the same question as who to go with. I see more 05+ tacos running TC LT kit over the Camburg. As a matter of fact Camburg is the only 05+ taco i've seen running Camburg. Why is that? Money, usablity, I beleive both are very capable, but why is TC 10 to 1 over Camburg it seems like? Help me decide who to go with on my 06!

[yota4lyfe]

Chaos. It just sounds cool.

[Baja Belk]

why is TC 10 to 1 over Camburg it seems like?

Customer service mostly, among other things.

[genrec]

So who knows the best place in SoCal to purchase the TC LT kit?? Best prices?

Thanks

[Factor]

sdtruckshop.com

[AllJumpStyle]

Ummm, Total Chaos?

[TRDtacoma1985]

Total Chaos, cus its sexy!http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h170/polarbb/olympus275.jpg

[bigdave]

I had a 01 taco with the camurg long travel kit with stay away coilovers and bumps and it was a verry rough ride. The reason the camburg kit rides bad is because they mount the bump stop so close to the lower arm. So when you hit a little bump and you're lower arm comes up about one inch the bump slams it back down giving you a rough ride. I now have a 05 tacoma 4x4 with the total chaos long travel with regular bump stops and a secondary shock and it handles a 100 times better than my camburg kit. Dont get me wrong Camburg is bad Ass but that kit just didn't work good for me. It was the first gen kit and they have sicne changed it twice.
wonder why.

[str8xedge]

The way your bumpstop is set up has nothing to do with Camburg. They have been saying for years that a 4"-stroke bumpstop will not work properly. You need a shortened stroke bumpstop (2-3" stroke) in order for the kit to work properly.

[motoxscott]

It was the first gen kit and they have sicne changed it twice. wonder why.

The only thing we have changed with our kit is the upper arm and the lower. The only reason we changed them was so you can fit a 2.5 coilover, 2.0 airbump and a 2.5 bypass shock. We didnt change any aspect of the arms other than that. Ours is the only kit that even offers that shock setup.

I'm not sure who installed your kit but we shorten the airbumps 1.5" so that you're not riding around on them around town. Where you ride height is setup will also effect when airbumps take effect.

The valving in our coilovers is for desert use, so yes around town it will be a stiffer ride. With some minor valving changes it can ride like a caddy on the street. The TC kit would ride exactly the same with our shocks, its not the kit its the shock valving.

Keep your eyes open as we are releasing a race long-travel kit, even though the one we sell now has been raced on in the Baja 1000, Baja 500, SCORE Laughlin race amoung many others with flying colors. This new kit will be 2wd only, a little wider, use a full custom spindle and have aftermarket hubs that use 2.25" snouts. There will be no other kit available on the market that comes close to what this kit is all about.

We were the first to release the Tacoma L/T kit and will continue to innovate new products for it, you can't say that about other companies.

- Scott @ Camburg Engineering

It will be similar to this .......

http://www.camburgracing.com/images/EDGE%20Race%20Truck/New%20EDGE/soft%20front%20shocks.jpg

[NYtaco]

How wide will the new race kit be and what size tire will work best with?

[Eleos]

hey scott..what's the eta on this kit? it would be fun to have two "first installs" under my built. the first with the billet kit on my old ranger (if you don't count jeremy) and then this kit. i was hoping you guys had something up your sleeve...

by the way..got the coilovers today...they're too pretty to install.
-ray

[Eleos]

How wide will the new race kit be and what size tire will work best with?

i'm willing to bet they will design it for a 35. i'm stoked on the custom spindle...

scott, will it have some lift built into it for clearance issues? crossmembers on these trucks hang down a lot lower than what i'm used to (99 ranger)...

[motoxscott]

The kit will be setup to run a 35" tire with Glassworks Unlimited 6" fenders. Track width depending on rim offset will be around 82" outside of tire to outside of tire. Our kit now is around 78". You'll gain quite a bit of ground clearance since the custom spindle will have lift built into it plus you will easily be able to run a 35" tire compared to most people running a 33" tire now.

We have a truck coming in in a few weeks to start putting it on. We actually already have the lower arms built and the aluminum hubs are being machined as we speak. We'll offer the kit with either a tubular upper arm or a billet aluminum one like we do with our other kits.

Glad you like the coilovers Ray, you'll like the ride they give even more.

- Scott @ Camburg

[rojodiablo]

Customer service mostly, among other things.
Nah Mike, I can personally vouch that is not the case. The 'Burg is always looking under my truck when I come in, just to see if there is any damage or problems that I may have missed. This means Jerry, Scott, Jeremy, all the way down to the last guy around the shop. When i go in, just to ask a Q, or to get some simple stuff, they are always helpful. If they are busy, then I have learned to just wait my turn....Not saying better, but for sure, dedicated and trying to do a better than good job all the time. So, at least, just as good in my book. :2cents: Now, go win the Baja 1000 and then we can go have a beer or 15!!!

[TRDtacoma1985]

Out with ESB, and in with Camburg. I just bought my Chaos kit, and now you come out with a race ready kit. damn. Either way, the chaos kit is heaven compared to what i used to have.

[Kamr0n]

Out with ESB, and in with Camburg. I just bought my Chaos kit, and now you come out with a race ready kit. damn. Either way, the chaos kit is heaven compared to what i used to have.

i was thinking the exact same thing...

but i'm still attached to my 4wd so, ill just have to buy another truck. :)

[str8xedge]

Once the Burg releases this kit, it will undoubtedly be the best kit on the market for Tacoma's. Their fit and finish is and always has been top notch. I wouldn't run anything else. Way to go Burglars!

[Tweeter]

How much travel on the new kit? The snout upgrade is definitely a big plus I would say! Looks very strong. I'll stick with Shroom's old kit for now though :D

[str8xedge]

According to Scott, the estimated wheel travel will be 16-18".

[marnes2986]

Ive read the whole thread and really havent heard nething bad about TC (maybe the lower bushings as opposed camburgs)

But im leaning partly to Camburg because they have a shop in HB (i guess local for me).......basically customer service is everything to me and I need that kind of support for such a big investment....im not saying TC has bad cust.service but i just guess it would be great to bring my truck to HB if i had a problem, instead of bringing it to my friends house to see if he could diagnose the problem, ya know????
What you guys think?

Plus camburg says their shocks are up to par now (ive seen some rusty SAWS)

MARK

[motoxscott]

If you're concerned about the shock we use, King is actually working on a custom shock specific for our Tacoma L/T kit as well, so you'll have that as an option as well.

- Scott @ Camburg

[marnes2986]

If you're concerned about the shock we use, King is actually working on a custom shock specific for our Tacoma L/T kit as well, so you'll have that as an option as well.

- Scott @ Camburg

if King makes them, then ill defintely give you a call.....ill try to even out the ratio on this forum hahaha

[SinCityTaco]

Goddamnit, why didn't I wait. I always want to be first on the block and end up getting kicked in the ass a few months down the road. Now I am going to have to sell my rig and start over.

[genrec]

Goddamnit, why didn't I wait. I always want to be first on the block and end up getting kicked in the ass a few months down the road. Now I am going to have to sell my rig and start over.

why?....you really gonna do that now???

[SinCityTaco]

Maybe a little bit down the road. Not immediately I want to get a fast car first like a porche GT3 or if I have the money a GT2. Then I will build my next sand toy, however I wanted my next truck to be 4x4 so as that I didn't have so many problems in the dunes and those spindles are going to shoot that one in the ass.

[marnes2986]

At first i really didnt care about shock brand, but after reading this thread on DR i think i wanna stay-away from sway-away (no pun intended haha). I just skimmed through it but i guess this guy sent his shocks to SAW for 1 new shaft and a rebuild on his shocks. He got them back after many weeks and unanswered phone calls. So he rants about SAW the whole thread but then settles down after SAW apologizes. But when he puts the shocks back on his truck he goes to a carwash and hears a loud snap. His shock shaft break in half!!!! Sux for that guy.....

Long story short...it would be great to go with Camburg (wonderful CS) but i just wouldnt want to run SAW's on my truck...Im not saying that SAW shocks suck (Helton!) but after reading the thread it SEEMS like SAW has horrible CS (the guy called and left a grip of messages) CS is very important

heres the thread http://dezertrangers.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=1;t=43092;st=60 :eek:

[DesertTRD]

hes a brody bro, remember king = the shit, no matter if they havent cracked em open to play with valving.. lOL

i wont run saw either, but thats just because of my dealings with them also...

[str8xedge]

And fuck no I am not a bro. I am anti bro. I hate those faggots. I am just saying its clear that none of you guys know about valving kings. I dont even really know because my friend wont tell me, he says its like some secret shit but all I know is that kings when being dialed in are nice shocks. Up until recently I have not been a fan of kings at all but now I am.


The only thing clear in this thread is that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to shocks. Kings work the same way SAW's and Fox's do.

[x0ffr0adtac0x]

hey did you guys also hear that bfg has a way to set up their tires so they dont pop easily. they only tell their racers though so sorry for providing a useless post.. but bfg= sickest tires around....waj

o btw isnt this a suspension thread....not a shock thread

[rojodiablo]

I am just saying its clear that none of you guys know about valving kings. I dont even really know because my friend wont tell me, he says its like some secret shit but all I know is that kings when being dialed in are nice shocks. Up until recently I have not been a fan of kings at all but now I am.
Your friend either: Lied to you, or.... figured you wouldn't understand anyway, so he didn't bother to tell you. Shocks aren't like engines. There are no secret parts bins at King for only the special people. If, IF someone wants to really play around with shocks, as many race teams do, they typically machine the special things they want in-house, or have a shock specialist do it for them. And all that info is readily available, if you know where to look.

[DesertTRD]

Yes this is. I really do not care what you guys think. I was just trying to let you in on some info. How many of you guys race MDR? Ok, exactly. But its all good. If no one agrees to disagree then fuck it. I really dont care. All that I am saying is that there is some stuff to valving. The whole thing with the tires is very dumb, you should slap yourself. I am going to end this but its cool whatever you guys think, you are intitled to your own thoughts/opinions.
LOL, dude you have no clue, first off I have raced MDR and SCORE, I have ran kings, I have played with valving in kings, and I even had the "top secret shit" which isnt that top secret. you need to stick to lifted f150's and hoes because you really dont have any clue what your saying. A shock is a shock is a shock, it just comes down to who can build them with better Quality control. and i can honestly say king does not = the best. they sell a reasonably priced part for a reasonable profit.

So since you race MDR what # are you? I would love to know.

[Baja Belk]

The only secret King has is the material and source for their shims. Which doesn't necessarily affect the valving, just the durability of the shims. By the way, my sister just drove at the MDR Dash on Sunday, so apparently that makes her smarter than everyone else here...

waj :rolleyes: I'll let everyone play for a little bit then I'll probably clean up this nonsense....

[DesertTRD]

belk and pov's but thats something hush hush unless your a racer LOL...

[Tweeter]

All posts that do not contribute information will be deleted from this thread. I had to keep some of Corey's to make people think next time they post stupid shit in here. (And partly because of the comedic value :) ) I'm not usually an ass about this but it's a sticky and I don't want useless shit in a thread that'll be at "top da hoops" for some time ;) carry on...

-Tweeter

PS- 1 h0p3 my graaMeR wa$ g00d!! :jack: WAJ!

[Tanto]

Made me think that I was in a split reality when I came back to this thread a day later.

Whatever :rolleyes:

[ZadraPR]

why do I hear so much crap about camburg. not so much in this thread, but when I go to look at what people think about LT suspension and the kits that are out, I hear things like "camburglers" and "stay-a-way" (refering to sway-a-way). Is it the "hip" thing to make fun of the product that you don't have? or just say it because others do? or do they really have a bad rep? I, like others have been tossing up the option of which long travel setup to use.... At first I was going with Total Chaos, but looking at camburgs stuff I like the color and boxed arms personally. I have a 2006 BSP tacoma DC. So whats the word? I was planning on going out to Huntington Beach around mid March and I thought while I was out there I would drop my truck off at Camburg.

[Tweeter]

It's all in good fun. We just have more guys on here that prefer Total Chaos like myself. Also with the Stay-A-Ways they had a strong reputation for rusting/leaking/poor customer service...people bag on Fox and Total Chaos and that's exactly what I run, it's all in good fun. I've heard SAW has improved their old shock design but still lacks in customer service, and Camburg makes very strong, reliable, quality kits, I just like the tube arm look more...just the internet dood!

[Half Baked Taco]

yeah, Tweeter is right. Hence he should be running for President lol It is all in good fun and Camburg has always had good rep and product......and Racerunners are getting better. Not the same league as Fox and King (IMO) but others will contest that.

I also like boxed lowers and check out this ride that went from TC tubed lowers to the Camburg boxed lowers. I wonder where those TC arms went? lol

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=679600&postcount=34

[Tweeter]

yeah, Tweeter is right. Hence he should be running for President lol

I also like boxed lowers and check out this ride that went from TC tubed lowers to the Camburg boxed lowers. I wonder where those TC arms went? lol

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=679600&postcount=34


Hell yeah!!!

I have no problem with the Burglars they do great work and have AWESOME customer service as well. Plus they let Rojo's son hang out and watch them work and get a first hand look at everything which is really nice of Jerry/Jeremy/Scott and all those guys.

Yeah I heard some punk-ass kid yoinked them off their race truck :rolleyes: I wonder who it was... :p I may have gone Total Chaos for convenience reasons as well...and I'm not sorry haha

[ZadraPR]

I kinda figured it was in good fun. I just want a damn LTed truck already, I hate money (when I dont have enough) and I hate waiting. haha

[SinCityTaco]

My Camburg kit is great. I have had no problems what so ever. As far as they Sway a ways they are great too, you just need to have them valved properly, just like any shock. However if you wanted to run another shock you could. You will just loose approx. 1 inch of travel because of the top cap that SAW uses. From what Camburg says they run SAW because they get more travel out of their coilover.

[marnes2986]

If you wait for Camburgs Race kit for tacoma's, it'll probably be the best LT kit for the 05+, unless you go the custom route.

Camburg has excellent customer service, its SAW where ive heard bad stories.

[TimF]

I have the Burg upper arm and coilovers (sway a ways) and have been beating on them for almost 2 years and have had 0 problems. The 7 leaf deavers that came with the kit are another story...

[JaiRook]

I have the Burg upper arm and coilovers (sway a ways) and have been beating on them for almost 2 years and have had 0 problems. The 7 leaf deavers that came with the kit are another story...

is it because the 7 leaf sagging or fromt that huge jump in your avatar? haha

All the guys at Camburg have been really helpful. Scotts helped me with lights, arms and deavers...all great experiances.

[Baja Belk]

I also like boxed lowers and check out this ride that went from TC tubed lowers to the Camburg boxed lowers. I wonder where those TC arms went? lol

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=679600&postcount=34

Well, except that the only reason he switched was to be closer to Camburg's shop, and I'm sure there was some "talking" going on. I know quality of product or boxed vs tube arms had nothing to do with it.

[ryguy]

what is this race kit consist of? Never heard of it.

[Half Baked Taco]

Well, except that the only reason he switched was to be closer to Camburg's shop, and I'm sure there was some "talking" going on. I know quality of product or boxed vs tube arms had nothing to do with it.

oh Mikey! lol I know. Camburg's always helped out Shroom and he wanted to support them back. I just wanted to tease our resident sickgnarbro Tweeter on where he got his kit from :D

[TimF]

is it because the 7 leaf sagging or fromt that huge jump in your avatar? haha

All the guys at Camburg have been really helpful. Scotts helped me with lights, arms and deavers...all great experiances.

Sagging, I beat the crap out of those 7 leafs! they couldn't hold a load and where lower than stock!

I had them rebuilt into 9 leafs and love them! I put 2000 Miles on them in baja loaded down and 0 problems. Now I want some 62's so I can get a better ride and more bump travel when I'm loaded.

The jump was with the 9 leafs.

[Tweeter]

oh Mikey! lol I know. Camburg's always helped out Shroom and he wanted to support them back. I just wanted to tease our resident sickgnarbro Tweeter on where he got his kit from :D

Hey at least I put it to good use! Nicole was happy to find out that I was the one who got the kit when I met her out in Ocotillo...

Cause I'm a bro, bro, bro! Don't be hatin' on me Lexter dudebroguy! C'mon! :p

[ryguy]

what about the race kit that everyone keeps on talking about? Who knows the details? It sounds just like the regular kit just with spindles..

[Half Baked Taco]

hahahhah...I'm not singing that song.......even at the campfire smashed....

[Tweeter]

hahahhah...I'm not singing that song.......even at the campfire smashed....

If you get me drunk enough I most likely will... :o I will just pray later that no video cameras are rolling :lmao:

[Tweeter]

what about the race kit that everyone keeps on talking about? Who knows the details? It sounds just like the regular kit just with spindles..

<Scott@Cambrug>
Keep your eyes open as we are releasing a race long-travel kit, even though the one we sell now has been raced on in the Baja 1000, Baja 500, SCORE Laughlin race amoung many others with flying colors. This new kit will be 2wd only, a little wider, use a full custom spindle and have aftermarket hubs that use 2.25" snouts. There will be no other kit available on the market that comes close to what this kit is all about.<Scott@Camburg>

So you'll get more travel since it's wider most likely around 15" or so, custom spindle (weak point on tacomas), and bigger snouts...sounds like the arms and everything else will be similar from what I hear.

[ryguy]

ahh so4wd people like me cant do anything..

[Tweeter]

It's ok we all can't DGAF as hard as I do...I've got my black socks and spiked hair today...and I was talking shit all the time to kids whose trucks were smaller than mine :lmao:

[Baja Belk]

hahahhah...I'm not singing that song.......even at the campfire smashed....

Lol, oooooooooooohhh man..... :o Let's just say there may be a little video of me singing that song. On a stripper pole. Um end of story....

[marnes2986]

It's ok we all can't DGAF as hard as I do...I've got my black socks and spiked hair today...and I was talking shit all the time to kids whose trucks were smaller than mine :lmao:

Got this from Urban Dictionary

I saw some OC bitches and some bros fighting last night. I was hoping they'd kill each other off, but I had to do it for them.

:p You and Belk need to clean this thread up hahaha If everyone wants to talk about Bros lets bring back that Bro thread that i made a long time ago

[ZadraPR]

so I might be dumb, but the total chaos LT kit for 05+ tacomas has boxed lower arms. although they don't look "truly" boxed, more enclosed, but they do have the apperence of boxed. New design? This may have already been covered but I don't remember reading it anywhere. my only hang up is the color of shocks/springs setup. I'd prefer red (sway-a-way) which is also cheaper but has a bad history. Then there is blue (Fox/king) not crazy about blue but I do like all the positve things I hear of their product, but more pricey.....help me out. or just say shut up and pick a color... I would rather pay a bit more the first time for the "good" stuff then to later change the set up just because I'm color-picky.
PIC:
https://www.offroadwarehouse.com/Uploads/TCS-86000.FULL.JPG

[ryguy]

wow your picking color over function? That is the wrong way to purchase after your already spending money for the LT kit.. Got for the best!

[ZadraPR]

thats exactly what I don't want to do, is pick color over function.. I much prefer function.

[Tweeter]

Get Fox coilovers with red coils, that's what I run, DGAF!

And Belk, I think it's about time you come out, I mean we're all understanding people and it's OK to feel confused and vulnerable :)

And as for me...there may be a video floating around somewhere of myself going "a capella", shirtless, and quite inebriated as well. There is no stripper pole but there are some articles of clothing missing from a few bodies, and I may have been singing it to the beat of "Smack That"...I don't want to talk about it...:o

[ryguy]

hahaha i guess that is good right??

[Baja Belk]

so I might be dumb, but the total chaos LT kit for 05+ tacomas has boxed lower arms. although they don't look "truly" boxed, more enclosed, but they do have the apperence of boxed. New design? This may have already been covered but I don't remember reading it anywhere. my only hang up is the color of shocks/springs setup. I'd prefer red (sway-a-way) which is also cheaper but has a bad history. Then there is blue (Fox/king) not crazy about blue but I do like all the positve things I hear of their product, but more pricey.....help me out. or just say shut up and pick a color... I would rather pay a bit more the first time for the "good" stuff then to later change the set up just because I'm color-picky.
PIC:
https://www.offroadwarehouse.com/Uploads/TCS-86000.FULL.JPG

What do you mean "truly boxed" vs. "enclosed"??? Boxed is boxed. If color is that big of an issue you can get springs powdercoated, and you can now get Foxes in black or Fox blue, and you can custom order your Kings any color you want. Blue, red, purple, beige, gold, silver, hot pink, whatever. I believe it's about $150 a shock extra. Our class 12 car has red Kings and used to have silver powdercoated springs. If you don't like the color of the TC kit, see if you can order a raw set and you can go get it powdercoated on your own. That's what I did with my set (black).

[VietNguyen82]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but does camburg have a long travel setup for the 96-04 mini tacos? I couldn't find anything on their site. I know chaos has the taquito kit but i just wanted to explore some options before buying. And I do know about the JD kit as well.

[Tweeter]

I also powdercoated my TC arms black because I love the blacked out look and my truck is black so it worked. I'll most likely powdercoat the springs black as well once I have a little free time...

[Half Baked Taco]

Lol, oooooooooooohhh man..... :o Let's just say there may be a little video of me singing that song. On a stripper pole. Um end of story....


And as for me...there may be a video floating around somewhere of myself going "a capella", shirtless, and quite inebriated as well. There is no stripper pole but there are some articles of clothing missing from a few bodies, and I may have been singing it to the beat of "Smack That"...I don't want to talk about it...:o

The wild stories start to come out lol

Mine are black and blue just the way I like my brohoes. hahahaah j/k everyone. it's just a joke.

[Tweeter]

Nice, I prefer blue (shocks) and black (springs)...don't you mean bros? Stop lying to yourself Lex it's not healthy :)

[ZadraPR]

oh fo sho' then Im gonna get black foxes with gold springs. and total chaos is my LT of choice. and not sure what I ment about the whole "boxed" vs "enclosed". thats what happens when you are on percocet.

[Happysmiley]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but does camburg have a long travel setup for the 96-04 mini tacos? I couldn't find anything on their site. I know chaos has the taquito kit but i just wanted to explore some options before buying. And I do know about the JD kit as well.

Camburg one was balljoints upper and lower. Saw it was not on site now. I did see a used (camburg) kit on race-dezert for around $700. There's someone up by me with the JD kit. I likey.

[miguelitro]

so whats the straight answer on the uni's versus bushings eh?:D

[Cory Matthews]

n/m


but i do have another question. how many of you guys are 2wd? do you feel you need 4wd?

[Tweeter]

I am, AllJumpStlye, Lasquintanas, and I think that's it. Doesn't bug me I just don't do dunes.

[Cory Matthews]

cool cool, i barly step foot in to the truck community. so i have no idea where im starting. so far im still deciding between tundra or tacoma 2wd and 4wd hmmm

[ryguy]

4wd here. 4wd limits due to axels.. but do you really need more than 13"?

[Tweeter]

cool cool, i barly step foot in to the truck community. so i have no idea where im starting. so far im still deciding between tundra or tacoma 2wd and 4wd hmmm

Search and figure out what you want to go with. Not everyone NEEDS 4WD sure it's nice if you play in dunes or like to hit the trails, but for just the open desert I'd say no. I threw a locker in my axle which has made quite a difference and my truck a lot more capable. Also keep in mind 4WD trucks are more $$$ to build than 2WD.

[Tweeter]

4wd here. 4wd limits due to axels.. but do you really need more than 13"?

He was asking for people with 2WD :banghead:

And yea some people need 17-19" :D

[AllJumpStyle]

I do dunes with 2wd, Pismo is like what, 10 min away? I just have to air down to 3psi in back and 5psi in front. :D I can still go almost anywhere.

[USAFMike]

ESB/Vendetta claims 18" from their 4wd kit. And yes people do need more than 12"(most 4wds).

Look at alot of the trophy trucks. Capable of 20"+ front/rear.

[marnes2986]

4WD might seem necessary, (on this forum especially) but after TTORA finally opened up a desert section i found numerous people that had no problem offroading in 2WD. It just depends on your application (Rocks or Desert?). Like Tweeter said if youre gonna go with 2WD its nice to have a locker (TRD option)

Keeping this thread on track:

So does anybody know if Camburg is still making there 05+ LT kit? I think i remember someone saying that Scott has stop production.

[ryguy]

ESB/Vendetta claims 18" from their 4wd kit. And yes people do need more than 12"(most 4wds).

Look at alot of the trophy trucks. Capable of 20"+ front/rear.
does the esb have one for 4 wd??

[06HAOLE]

So does anybody know if Camburg is still making there 05+ LT kit? I think i remember someone saying that Scott has stop production.
I called just cause to ask and it is not in production right now. They are still testing it.

[Happysmiley]

So does anybody know if Camburg is still making there 05+ LT kit? I think i remember someone saying that Scott has stop production.
I called just cause to ask and it is not in production right now. They are still testing it.

Yeah what's going on over there. I've called too and they aren't sellin or tellin. Didn't they debut that kit more than a year ago at the off road expo.

That makes the decision process easy, TC who (gasp) managed to "engineer" it correcty before release, or (gulp) make your own. :D

[Baja Belk]

4WD might seem necessary, (on this forum especially) but after TTORA finally opened up a desert section i found numerous people that had no problem offroading in 2WD. It just depends on your application (Rocks or Desert?). Like Tweeter said if youre gonna go with 2WD its nice to have a locker (TRD option)

Prerunning Mexico = mandatory 4WD

[Tweeter]

Or mad horsepower ;)

[marnes2986]

Prerunning Mexico = mandatory 4WD

oh yeah i agree (ofcourse not through 1st hand experience), but im just letting the guy know that offroading doesnt stop at a 4wd truck, 2WD is just fine depending on app

[marnes2986]

Yeah what's going on over there. I've called too and they aren't sellin or tellin. Didn't they debut that kit more than a year ago at the off road expo.

That makes the decision process easy, TC who (gasp) managed to "engineer" it correcty before release, or (gulp) make your own. :D

Maybe Camburg is gonna redesign the kit to allow for more travel :confused: I know Scott mentioned he was trying to make a deal with KING so they can manufacture KING shocks to kit on their kits.

Well if Scott is really redesigning the 05+ kit: "Please allow the kit to utilize any other brand of shocks except for SAW".....Ive heard of SAW's horrible customer service.

[Baja Belk]

Or mad horsepower ;)

Only if you have the suspension to keep up.

So Mexico = 4wd OR mad horsepower + mad suspension

[Happysmiley]

Maybe Camburg is gonna redesign the kit to allow for more travel :confused: I know Scott mentioned he was trying to make a deal with KING so they can manufacture KING shocks to kit on their kits.

Well if Scott is really redesigning the 05+ kit: "Please allow the kit to utilize any other brand of shocks except for SAW".....Ive heard of SAW's horrible customer service.

X2, Yeah shock options please.

[Tanto]

Here's a pretty good deal on a Camburgular kit for the 01-04 Tacos I ran across > http://dezertrangers.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=16;t=50727

[motoxscott]

It's been a while since I've been on here, but we just got a customers Tacoma in hthe shop that we're installing our full race front L/T kit on. It's should be an awesome build and will use some pretty trick parts. I'll keep everyone posted as we made progress. In regards to how different it's going to be than our current kit .... it will be totally different.



- Scott @ Camburg

[ryguy]

is it an 05+?? Cant wait to see it. WHat is he going to do with it?

[AllJumpStyle]

I'm pretty sure it's for the older tacoma... no reason for them to make a race kit for the new ones. How many people are going to be racing their brand new trucks?

[BRUUUP]

.........RYGUY! derrrr

[Tweeter]

Or so he says :jack:

[ryguy]

Dont be hating.. We have too many haters as it is in this world.

[AllJumpStyle]

LOL, that would be an expensive race truck! I can't imagine having over 20k in JUST the truck.

[YoTRacer158]

I should be hitting $20k invested in the next few months :D

[Tweeter]

Ouch...I'm going to be at like 6-10k lol

[marnes2986]

Damn he didnt answer my question.

Are the 05+ LT Camburg Kits Discontinued???????????????? :confused:

Fck it, ill just hop on the bandwagon.TC please :o

[YoTRacer158]

Fck it, ill just hop on the bandwagon.TC please :o

Good choice :)

[Dragon150043]

Damn he didnt answer my question.

Are the 05+ LT Camburg Kits Discontinued???????????????? :confused:

Fck it, ill just hop on the bandwagon.TC please :o

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going Camburg. Then going down to Allied. :D

[Tweeter]

Good choice :)

Agreed! :cool:

[BRUUUP]

I like TC just wish Toyotas had more options for LT. Like to see some trucks with other front ends, not one off customes thow.

[AZNPG]

is it an 05+?? Cant wait to see it. WHat is he going to do with it?

i believe its for the older tacomas up to 04 cause i was talking to steve about it

[motoxscott]

The new race kit will be for the 95.5-04 prerunner models. Not enough demand for the 05-07 yet ..... give it a little time though and it will happen as well.

Here's a picture of the hubs it will be using, the machined snout will be different from the one in this picture. This snout if for a Chevy. The snout on the Tacoma kit is 2.25" hollow heat-treated chromoly.

http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-9-13331-hub_1.jpg
http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-9-13358-hub_2.jpg

- Scott

[Tweeter]

That's damn sexy Scott...even though I rock the Total Chaos, that's a very nice feature to have.

[Dragon150043]

The new race kit will be for the 95.5-04 prerunner models. Not enough demand for the 05-07 yet ..... give it a little time though and it will happen as well.

Here's a picture of the hubs it will be using, the machined snout will be different from the one in this picture. This snout if for a Chevy. The snout on the Tacoma kit is 2.25" hollow heat-treated chromoly.


- Scott

It seems to me, that since the new Tacos are out, why not prepare for the demand that WILL come? I know for sure that I will be going to you guys(Camburg) for a LT kit. And I would like to know, that what i'm buying is the top of the line, and will be for a while. You know?

Thats just my Bass Ackwards thinking. :)

[ryguy]

http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-9-13331-hub_1.jpg
http://dezertrangers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-9-13358-hub_2.jpg

- Scott
What are these for?? Just looks like hubs to cover up the space that is there?? Or am I totally missing something here?

[Tweeter]

What are these for?? Just looks like hubs to cover up the space that is there?? Or am I totally missing something here?


:doh:

[AllJumpStyle]

:doh: x2

[Gallium]

I would love to see a race travel kit to come out for the 05-07. I wont be upgrading anytime soon so, I'll keep my hopes up.

[ZadraPR]

I have a flaccid penis....

[ryguy]

I know what these are.. They are hubs.. Just asked the question wrong.. jeese.

[Tweeter]

:doh: x2

:suicide:

[YoTRacer158]

:suicide:

Hey Dave, guess what?

[Tweeter]

Hey Dave, guess what?

I'm afraid to ask...what? Got a bender?

[YoTRacer158]

Free bender, welder, plasma cutter and all the tubing I need :) My room mates uncle works for a scrap yard around the corner from Turn Key and they get about 200,000lbs of metal from them a day :)

[Tweeter]

Free bender, welder, plasma cutter and all the tubing I need :) My room mates uncle works for a scrap yard around the corner from Turn Key and they get about 200,000lbs of metal from them a day :)

:eek: HOLY METAL JACKPOT BATMAN!

[rojodiablo]

Free bender, welder, plasma cutter and all the tubing I need :) My room mates uncle works for a scrap yard around the corner from Turn Key and they get about 200,000lbs of metal from them a day :)
Go to Vegas while you're still HOT!!!!

[Happysmiley]

So does anybody know if Camburg is still making there 05+ LT kit? I think i remember someone saying that Scott has stop production.
I called just cause to ask and it is not in production right now. They are still testing it.
Talked to Drew today, he said they're still working on it, developing a fully fabbed spindle with stronger snouts/hubs, and it will be compatible with king's/saw but.... not available till summer. Hopefully they're making it a vertical uniball upper with a lil' more travel, he didn't say; i'm just trying to be optimistic... :rolleyes:

[YoTRacer158]

Go to Vegas while you're still HOT!!!!

I think I'm going to save any luck that's left for my court date this Thursday...

[Badseed]

AM SUSPENSIONS KIT. oh wait they have not made it yet so never mind.

[jingham]

I couldn't agree more. My friend ran TC and was very upset that he didn't go with camburg. Lower arm uniball is a really good thing to have becuase the stock joint just doesn't cut it in ther long run.

[Baja Belk]

I couldn't agree more. My friend ran TC and was very upset that he didn't go with camburg. Lower arm uniball is a really good thing to have becuase the stock joint just doesn't cut it in ther long run.


It's cut it for a lot of people in the long run.

In fact alot of class 1s and 10s use bushing style lower arm pivots.

[BruceTS]

I've been running the TC LT kit for almost 4 years now. At the time I wanted something I could navigate through the rocks as well and go fast. A friend of mine had Camburgs kit, but I didn't like the way the lower arms were a rock hanger. I've never had any issues with the TC arms on the rocks, they simply slide over them and are pretty beaten up with rock rash. The urethane bushing did squeak alot, but about a year ago I rebuilt the front suspension replacing all the joints. On the urethane sleeves, I added zerk fittings and modified the bushing, they rarely squeal, mostly from the uniballs now. As for cost, bushing were cheap, but them uniballs aren't and they do wear out.

The biggest problem I see is not tightening the lower A-arm mounting bolts enough, then rechecking them regularly.

Transmission of road noise isn't an issue with either uniballs or urethane, since the frame is separate from the body suspended on rubber bushings.

As for airbumps on the front suspension, it's a waste of $$$, for them to properly work they'd have to be mounted out near the spindle, so you can take advantage of it's full travel. Your better off just running dual shocks, using the bypass to assist as your bumpstop.

The debate on shocks is really a wash unless you have the knowledge it takes to rebuild, adjust and fine tune them for your application.

[xmikedentx]

The debate on shocks is really a wash unless you have the knowledge it takes to rebuild, adjust and fine tune them for your application.

What? King can get you a shock that performs very well out of the box. Well enough that all I've had do do on my bypasses was adjust the clickers a bit.

[DesertTRD]

I've been running the TC LT kit for almost 4 years now. At the time I wanted something I could navigate through the rocks as well and go fast. A friend of mine had Camburgs kit, but I didn't like the way the lower arms were a rock hanger. I've never had any issues with the TC arms on the rocks, they simply slide over them and are pretty beaten up with rock rash. The urethane bushing did squeak alot, but about a year ago I rebuilt the front suspension replacing all the joints. On the urethane sleeves, I added zerk fittings and modified the bushing, they rarely squeal, mostly from the uniballs now. As for cost, bushing were cheap, but them uniballs aren't and they do wear out.

The biggest problem I see is not tightening the lower A-arm mounting bolts enough, then rechecking them regularly.

Transmission of road noise isn't an issue with either uniballs or urethane, since the frame is separate from the body suspended on rubber bushings.

As for airbumps on the front suspension, it's a waste of $$$, for them to properly work they'd have to be mounted out near the spindle, so you can take advantage of it's full travel. Your better off just running dual shocks, using the bypass to assist as your bumpstop.

The debate on shocks is really a wash unless you have the knowledge it takes to rebuild, adjust and fine tune them for your application.
a bumpstop (airbump for the mentally retarded) is not a waste, but in order to truely be properly mounted they need to hit the upper arm not the lower, on a taco using stock balljoints if you tag the lower over time you are asking for it to fail. but a bumpstop (airbump for mentally retarded) is just that, so its really not a waste.

[IN-A-COMA]

What do you guys mean no lower uniball in the TC Kit? I have a Lower uniball. I personally love it. I have not driven the Camburg kit, I think it is 2" less travel with the 4x4. 11"vs.13"

[eternite]

What do you guys mean no lower uniball in the TC Kit? I have a Lower uniball. I personally love it. I have not driven the Camburg kit, I think it is 2" less travel with the 4x4. 11"vs.13"

The new 05+ camburg kit will pull 13" with 4x4 im sure the 05- will pull the same.

[DesertTRD]

What do you guys mean no lower uniball in the TC Kit? I have a Lower uniball. I personally love it. I have not driven the Camburg kit, I think it is 2" less travel with the 4x4. 11"vs.13"
um ok how do you have a lower uniball on a kit thats balljoint?

[hopper]

a bumpstop is not a waste, but in order to truely be properly mounted they need to hit the upper arm not the lower, on a taco using stock balljoints if you tag the lower over time you are asking for it to fail. but a bumpstop is just that, so its really not a waste.

I dont think he is saying no bumpstops, he said no AIRBUMPS ( also known as Chubbies) (http://www.donahoeracing.com/pr_detail.php?prID=53)which is very different. :2cents:

[DesertTRD]

I dont think he is saying no bumpstops, he said no AIRBUMPS ( also known as Chubbies) (http://www.donahoeracing.com/pr_detail.php?prID=53)which is very different. :2cents:
you poeple are fucking impossible, are you that stupid... a airbump in the end is a bumpstop. true its not urathane, but it still is a bumpstop... fawk.

[hopper]

you poeple are fucking impossible, are you that stupid... a airbump in the end is a bumpstop. true its not urathane, but it still is a bumpstop... fawk.

Holy shit chill the fawk out!!!! :slap:

[brock]

i loved my airbumps with my midtravel... made things more smooth.

[shorty2305]

um ok how do you have a lower uniball on a kit thats balljoint?

It looks like he has an 05+, unless i'm mistaken they have a uniball setup for them, but not the older tacos.

Just curious, how long has camburg been using uniball's in the lower arms. And do the uniball kits have any advantages besides obviously strength?

[brock]

and yes, 05+ kits have uniballs for the lower arms.

[IN-A-COMA]

The new knuckle on the 05+ has a bolt on lower ball joint/ uniball mounting point, it also increases the turnig radius because it deletes the steering stops. When the tie-rod hits the spring it's turned all the way. Does anybody know if camburg is the same?

[Chaplain]

I've been running the TC LT kit for almost 4 years now. At the time I wanted something I could navigate through the rocks as well and go fast. A friend of mine had Camburgs kit, but I didn't like the way the lower arms were a rock hanger. I've never had any issues with the TC arms on the rocks, they simply slide over them and are pretty beaten up with rock rash.

The debate on shocks is really a wash unless you have the knowledge it takes to rebuild, adjust and fine tune them for your application.

I'm with Bruce on this one. I have the TC kit and just got back from running down to Cabo and back for the 1000 on and off course.
As far as shocks, the folks at SAW are great people and Brian Skipper is recognized as a innovator in desert racing. Outside of your favorite color it really comes down to the valve job. I'll take a good valve job on the worst shocks over a bad/stock valve job on the best shocks (comparing: SAW, Fox, King, Bilistin).

[00tacomarunner]

hey whats up I'm late on this one but i love my total chaos and a few of my friends have camburg on there toyota they dont like it idk why but i love my truck i bumd the hell outta it its sick i paid at kartech 4500 with a 8' fox its sick I'm going to get a kind bypass when i get some more money but i end up buying like 8g's of shit that day deavers bed cage and king bypass every thing i needed its good go with total chaos its way better i say i mean my good friend just got the 21' camburg kit 2nt guy the the u.s. with it camburg the 1st but there's just sits there in the shit i mean the only reson i dont like camburg i would have to say every time i go to a race there trucks never finish the 2nt lap there steering brakes there's some thing that always happens

[marnes2986]

hey whats up I'm late on this one but i love my total chaos and a few of my friends have camburg on there toyota they dont like it idk why but i love my truck i bumd the hell outta it its sick i paid at kartech 4500 with a 8' fox its sick I'm going to get a kind bypass when i get some more money but i end up buying like 8g's of shit that day deavers bed cage and king bypass every thing i needed its good go with total chaos its way better i say i mean my good friend just got the 21' camburg kit 2nt guy the the u.s. with it camburg the 1st but there's just sits there in the shit i mean the only reson i dont like camburg i would have to say every time i go to a race there trucks never finish the 2nt lap there steering brakes there's some thing that always happens

good opinionated post man...but you need more punctuation

[AZNPG]

i'm running a camburg kit and i haven't had any problems yet

[editmars]

i mean my good friend just got the 21' camburg kit 2nt guy the the u.s. with it camburg the 1st but there's just sits there in the shit

Ive seen other kits bought at least a couple months back. Just sayin...

[brock]

hey whats up I'm late on this one but i love my total chaos and a few of my friends have camburg on there toyota they dont like it idk why but i love my truck i bumd the hell outta it its sick i paid at kartech 4500 with a 8' fox its sick I'm going to get a kind bypass when i get some more money but i end up buying like 8g's of shit that day deavers bed cage and king bypass every thing i needed its good go with total chaos its way better i say i mean my good friend just got the 21' camburg kit 2nt guy the the u.s. with it camburg the 1st but there's just sits there in the shit i mean the only reson i dont like camburg i would have to say every time i go to a race there trucks never finish the 2nt lap there steering brakes there's some thing that always happens

what the fuck are you babbling on about? use some fucking periods and type so we can understand you. jesus. did you read what you just wrote? does that make sense to you?

[DesertTRD]

what the fuck are you babbling on about? use some fucking periods and type so we can understand you. jesus. did you read what you just wrote? does that make sense to you?
dude i got the email with his post and that was the first thing i was comming here to post.. im like WTF

[BruceTS]

Edited Version.............

Hey! Whats up? I'm late on this one, but I love my Total Chaos LT suspension and a few of my friends have Camburgs on their toyota. They dont like it, I don't know why? I love my truck and bump the hell outta it.... it's sick! I purchased it from Kartek for $4500 with 8" Fox shocks and planning on getting bypass shocks when I can afford it, since I just spent another $8000 for a Deaver bed cage, King bypasses etc.... Everything I needed, now its good go with Total Chaos... it's way better than it was.

My good friend just got the 21" camburg kit, 2nd guy in the the U.S. with it. Camburg supposed to be the best, but theirs just sits there in the shit, I mean the only reason I dont like Camburg is everytime I go to a race, their trucks never finishes the 2nd lap, the steering breaks, or something always happens....

[eternite]

but there's just sits there in the shit i mean the only reson i dont like camburg i would have to say every time i go to a race there trucks never finish the 2nt lap there steering brakes there's some thing that always happens

??????

They just got second in points for BITD this year... I would say they finish more then 2 laps buddy.

[marnes2986]

Edited Version.............

did you use a BROdecoder??? lol jk

[AZNPG]

??????

They just got second in points for BITD this year... I would say they finish more then 2 laps buddy.

x2 man does this guy even know what hes talking about heck the last race they didn't win or finished was the baja 1000 which they had a seized motor after finishing the like 99% of the race

[miguelitro]

x2 man does this guy even know what hes talking about heck the last race they didn't win or finished was the baja 1000 which they had a seized motor after finishing the like 99% of the race

yeah so obviously camburg susp. sucks...
tc all the way:D

[AZNPG]

yeah so obviously camburg susp. sucks...
tc all the way:D


coming from the guy thats running a camburg lt kit haha

[devinsixtyseven]

yeah so obviously camburg susp. sucks...
tc all the way:D:lmao: Yeah, they're so awful I had to get the full meal deal from them :p. Will post pics when it's in hand :D...am certain you guys will appreciate!

It's going on a truck with Chaos gussets and other small parts. It could get ugly...somebody from TTORA is probably always gonna be trying to get my parts to fight with each other.

[mojavehanna]

x2 man does this guy even know what hes talking about heck the last race they didn't win or finished was the baja 1000 which they had a seized motor after finishing the like 99% of the race

TC is simply more Bro-friendly. Corona is closer to the Bro Mecca than Huntington Beach, gotta rep the local stuff ya know?

This guy obviously knows what he's talking about, you all should listen carefully. :rolleyes: