: BFG ATs in snow/ice


Jeff
02-10-2006, 10:45 AM
I've been doing searches on tires because I need new ones soon. I've narrowed it down to these in order of wanting:

1. BFG ATs
2. Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo
3. Firestone Destination AT

On tirerack.com all have excellent reviews on everything but the BFG don't rate well on ice and deep snow. Most people here who recommend the BFG ATs live in warm/no snow climates. So, anyone from northern Ohio or a colder area care to share their experiences? The truck is my daily drive but I'm looking to start off-roading soon. Currently I'm running BFG Rugged Trail 265/70/R16 2001 stock Tacoma 2.7L TRD.

Jeff

sjvicker
02-10-2006, 11:00 AM
ha, ohio snow. Basically the BFG AT's are a great tire but on ice or deep snow they suck. I really noticed how much they suck when it comes to going through snow that has been plowed in front of my drive way. I know the mud terrains are rated worse in the snow but I bet they would be better for the deep stuff, and then you've got them when you need them in the mud

AK98Taco
02-10-2006, 11:09 AM
Ran the BFG A/Ts for a year, through a Utah winter. Decent amount of snow and ice driving, including picking through slush on the roads. They work fairly well, for a non-directional tire, but they hydroplane excessively on slush. A lot of people run them as winter tires in Alaska and the wheelers swear by them, so that will tell you a little about their reputation in a place that has very hard winters.

My father runs the Dueler A/T Revos on his Chevy Duramax and has been very happy with them, and he does a lot of commuting around Alaska, ground blizzards and all.

HairyTaco
02-10-2006, 11:09 AM
I've been doing searches on tires because I need new ones soon. I've narrowed it down to these in order of wanting:

1. BFG ATs
2. Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo
3. Firestone Destination AT

On tirerack.com all have excellent reviews on everything but the BFG don't rate well on ice and deep snow. Most people here who recommend the BFG ATs live in warm/no snow climates. So, anyone from northern Ohio or a colder area care to share their experiences? The truck is my daily drive but I'm looking to start off-roading soon. Currently I'm running BFG Rugged Trail 265/70/R16 2001 stock Tacoma 2.7L TRD.

Jeff

I have run AT for a long time on many rigs and many conditions, here is my take, deep snow, no go. Ice, well, in real icie conditions, no tire but studded works well, this experiance comes from my time in Portland, OR where ice is treacherous when it hits, The AT that are siped work as best can be expected in ice, they work well in plowed and hard packed snow, if you are going wheel off-road in fresh snow and mud enviroments stay away from AT's.

RedRunnertc
02-10-2006, 11:24 AM
I live in Lorain, just west of Cleveland and run Dunlop Radial Rover RVXT. They carry them on TireRack also. I think they do VERY well in snow and ice. Mud traction off road is not great, but better than you would expect from looking at the tread. Noise level on road is there, but pretty quiet. Seem to be wearing OK.

EDIT: Note these tires are rated with the "snowflake on mountain" severe snow service rating too. While a manufacturer can label a tire "M&S", this rating involves actual testing by an independent party. The BFG's are not.

JBL13
02-10-2006, 11:42 AM
I agree with what AK98Taco said about hydroplaning. Overall, though, I've found that my BFG ATs do very well in snow and about as well on ice as you can expect without using a studded tire. I've had the BFGs in deep snow a few times, and I'd have to say the Goodyear MT/Rs I used to have were better for that.

Ditrut
02-10-2006, 02:42 PM
i'd definatley give the a/t's a good rating for our canadian snow and ice. it's a good tire if you need something, semi-aggressive and winter rated at the same time. not so good in the deeper snow though.

Portman
02-10-2006, 04:07 PM
i don;t have a lot to compare to, but for snow and ice i don;t think you can beat them. i don;t think any tire is going to do really well in deep snow. Mud terrains of any brand are known for just packing up on the slushy/icy stuff. considering i live in NE, a light and fluffly snow is rare compared to most of the stuff we get. for an all around on/off road tire, they are great!! ive easily been able to plow through over a foot of snow with no problem with these things.

Paul
02-10-2006, 04:09 PM
Only had mine in the ice once, and they did fine. They are awesome in the deep snow. They beat the shit out of my brother's Dueler AT's and his friends BFG MT's.

ducttapepro03
02-10-2006, 04:17 PM
I have the bfg m/t's and they are fine if you just have a small amount of snow... say under an inch... but once those treads fill up your on your own for traction and if it is slushy snow forget about traction with the m/t's. I just got the revos and they seem to work better in the deeper stuff than the m/t's did. As far as ice... i havent had enough time on the revo's with ice to tell you anything.

adamusmcguy
02-10-2006, 04:30 PM
I run the BFG AT's up in the snow and they do fine for me...In the real fresh back country stuff I have to put my foot into it a little more then normal,but that just makes for a fun ride :eek:

ljschnel
02-10-2006, 05:12 PM
EDIT: Note these tires are rated with the "snowflake on mountain" severe snow service rating too. While a manufacturer can label a tire "M&S", this rating involves actual testing by an independent party. The BFG's are not.
The BFG's actually DO have the MountainSnowflake thingy. I have driven the through 12" to 18" of semi packed, deep snow for miles in the U.P. Keeping enough tire speed they will get you through just fine. My buddy with MTR's and a regular cab only did slightly better than me. The AT is not a great snow tire. It is a hard, long wearing compound. It is a great tire. The question is are you really going to pick your tire based on the 3 days of the year it snows more than 4"?

TacoDell
02-10-2006, 05:22 PM
MountainSnowflake thingy..... WTF... LOL

Extreme Weather Rating...

Any tire that has this rating has been DOT tested I believe... To meet a certain standard...

My AT's do just fine in the snow and ice... Air down and you'll notice an improvement... Mud sucks though... Heavy gumbo mud shiat...

ljschnel
02-10-2006, 05:31 PM
.... WTF... LOL

Extreme Weather Rating...

Any tire that has this rating has been DOT tested I believe... To meet a certain standard...

Yeah...that. It really does look like a mountain with a snowflake on it.

AK98Taco
02-10-2006, 10:39 PM
i don;t think any tire is going to do really well in deep snow.

My Interco Trxus M/Ts have been kickass in deep, unpacked snow, especially for not airing down.

Portman
02-10-2006, 11:42 PM
My Interco Trxus M/Ts have been kickass in deep, unpacked snow, especially for not airing down.

and so have my BFG a/t's. im just saying it get to a point when the snow is so deep it really doesn;t matter. plus, the type of snow plays a big role. . . . . whatever, im just saying i think the BFG a/t perform great on ice and snow . . . i always feel like i am grinding/tearing my way through

TacoDell
02-11-2006, 01:02 AM
and so have my BFG a/t's. im just saying it get to a point when the snow is so deep it really doesn;t matter. plus, the type of snow plays a big role. . . . . whatever, im just saying i think the BFG a/t perform great on ice and snow . . . i always feel like i am grinding/tearing my way through

Likewise... This Big Bear run wasn't so much snow as it was ice... And my air gauge was off so I was only aired down to 20 psi... (found out later)... 15 would been better on the ice... But it clawed it's way through without too much fuss... Softer snow gives me better traction at least until it's so deep that I'm plowing the stuff... My AT's have been the best all around tire I've ever used... And here in SoCal... One minute yer in the snow and the next yer in desert sand... Literally...

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Sorry the pics aren't so good... Someone elses camera... as I forgot mine that day... and my tire gauge and my compressor and my... :rolleyes:

AK98Taco
02-11-2006, 10:43 AM
BFG A/Ts in Alaska in May:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/tacosnow.jpg

Mud and fresh snow in Utah:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/b5.jpg

Fresh snow in Utah. Stuff was slightly packed by our rigs, but you'd sink to your frame instantly if you lost momentum:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/snow.jpeg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/Dscn1300.jpg

TacoDell
02-11-2006, 11:27 AM
Those lower pics don't look like AT's.... Cheater... LOL

sixspeed
02-11-2006, 01:26 PM
I've been doing searches on tires because I need new ones soon. I've narrowed it down to these in order of wanting:

1. BFG ATs
2. Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo
3. Firestone Destination AT

On tirerack.com all have excellent reviews on everything but the BFG don't rate well on ice and deep snow. Most people here who recommend the BFG ATs live in warm/no snow climates. So, anyone from northern Ohio or a colder area care to share their experiences? The truck is my daily drive but I'm looking to start off-roading soon. Currently I'm running BFG Rugged Trail 265/70/R16 2001 stock Tacoma 2.7L TRD.

Jeff

If you're talking about using BFG AT's on street in snow, you will do fine. I've ran them for years (older tread design 31's and newer 275/16's) and they do well for me. Of course lots of the time my truck has 500# of ballast sand in the back and a 550# plow on the front but I've used them on both plow and non-plow Toys since the 80's. IMHO they are the best all-around tire if you need to use your truck for daily driver use in "normal" snows... They can wheel all summer and still get thru a foot plus of snow in the winter. Are they as good off road in mud as MT/R's or swampers? - nope! But for a daily driver I think they are the best. And they're severe snow service rated and do fine on ice!

I do run the Commercial traction TA snowys on the plow only truck cause it needs to have tall skinny tires for some steep and slippery paved driveways I do. I'd never run them on a daily driver, they're only better IMHO for the limited use I need them for... and in a size that I can chain up if need be.

I live in Eastern Pennsy so our weather is like yours... And we're getting a foot of snow today!

DrDeepstroke
02-11-2006, 01:40 PM
Hey, this sound like a good question for a Canadian, i live in Whistler, BC and drive though the snow alot. I've owned several sets of BF AT's 31x10.5's, 33x12.5's and just got some 33x9.5's AND Let me tell you they all worked excellent in the snow. Ice is Ice and unless you have studs everything is going to slip. I was recently on a trip to Slouquet hot springs where the snow was only about 6-8" for 90% of the trail, but that last 10% got pertty deep and ugly, So i let my buddies ( highly mod'd Jeep's ) go ahead, and break trail. Needless to say they didn't make it far and my "4Runnah" was breaking, like a CHAMP thru 12-16" of fresh on hard pack. Felt like I was a snowmobile with snow coming over the hood, and let me tell you those 33x9.5 BFG AT KO's (pizza cutters) sure did there job and then some. Very pleased with snow performance.

ripkinC
02-11-2006, 03:47 PM
I'll let you know. Were expected to finaly have a good snow here in MD this winter, I have had my BFG AT since Aug, and they have rocked. the little 1-2 in we had in Dec. they were fine in, today were expected to get from 2-10" depending on what channel you listen to :) So I will let you know how they do. If you air down any tire you get a little better handling in deep stuff.
I have R15 31x10.5 on a 98 taco extracab TRD for ref.

AK98Taco
02-11-2006, 06:28 PM
Are they as good off road in mud as MT/R's or swampers? - nope!

The MT/R is not a mud tire, if that's what you were saying.

bray
02-12-2006, 12:06 AM
BFG A/Ts in Alaska in May:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/tacosnow.jpg

Mud and fresh snow in Utah:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/b5.jpg

Fresh snow in Utah. Stuff was slightly packed by our rigs, but you'd sink to your frame instantly if you lost momentum:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/snow.jpeg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/155437/Dscn1300.jpg

I love the diff drag trail in the mud. It's typical for down here.

joel
02-12-2006, 01:16 AM
I have had great success with mine! I had 31 and 32 before getting the 33. No prob in deep snow and on ice there great. I haven't had a better all around tire. Who ever is rating them has a pretty steep grading curve. Whats "good" in their opinion?

http://www.ttora.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=437&cat=500&ppuser=6423&sl=j

P.S. how do you just post the picture without adding a link to it? cant seem to figure it out! :confused:

ripkinC
02-12-2006, 01:31 AM
ok, well as promised, my update, after having fun in about 5-6in of snow for the past 2hr my 6mo bfg at did great. I did mostly 2w and only really needing 4hi once on a steep curvy hill. Now I dont have much weight in the back, mostly some tools and 2 rims for a car and a cap on the bed.
I had little slipage other than intentional (gota spin it a bit in an empty lot :)
much better than my old goodyears

TacoDell
02-12-2006, 02:29 AM
I have had great success with mine! I had 31 and 32 before getting the 33. No prob in deep snow and on ice there great. I haven't had a better all around tire. Who ever is rating them has a pretty steep grading curve. Whats "good" in their opinion?

http://www.ttora.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=437&cat=500&ppuser=6423&sl=j

P.S. how do you just post the picture without adding a link to it? cant seem to figure it out! :confused:

You need to get a host such as... http://photobucket.com/

AK98Taco
02-12-2006, 12:52 PM
Those lower pics don't look like AT's.... Cheater... LOL

I know, I know ;)

AK98Taco
02-12-2006, 12:54 PM
I love the diff drag trail in the mud. It's typical for down here.

Must... get... more... ground clearance... LOL

The mud in Utah is weak, real weak. I'll bet Alabama gumbo is much nastier, like the mostly soil stuff in Alaska.

joel
02-12-2006, 05:55 PM
You need to get a host such as... http://photobucket.com/

Thanks, I'll work on that ;)

ripkinC
02-12-2006, 10:31 PM
Ok, got to try them out (my bfg's) in up to 12-16in of snow today, Lastnight was only 6ish in or so. The only time I had trouble was when I lost momentum up hill (again) and was in 2wd. Spunn all 4 in low lock too:) but got her back on the straight and up again on top of the snow. They did great again.
Just remember any tire, you have to know how to drive in the snow to begin with, and no matter what truck and tire you have, you still have to stop the thing so take it easy, atleast on the roads. If you kill yourself by hitting a tree being stupid just make shure it doesn't slow up the traffic im in :)

TRDZR2
02-13-2006, 02:19 PM
BFG ATko all the way. We have Revos on our Blazer and I have BFG ATkos and let me tell you they are both great in snow. Forget Firestone.

Now to the details, the REVOs only come with 13/32 of tread (P265 70 16) while the BFG ATko comes with 16/32.

Might not seem like alot, but if 2/32 is minimum tread and Revo only have 11/32 of useable tread they about 20-25% less in tread depth than the BFG ATko.

That is alot in my book. Bridgestones also cost a rediculous amount from Firestone unless you go through the TireRack. BFG's cost about $720 installed in 265 70 16 while I can get the Revos for about $620 intalled if buying through the ToreRack and having them installed locally.

That being said it is obvious BFG ATkos are the winner here.

Toyotajoe
02-13-2006, 03:16 PM
They are shit in the snow, as is most any AT or MT tire. They may be alright for someone that only deals with a couple of snow weeks a year, but any more than a couple months and you'll be thankful for a purpose built winter tire.

I have a brand new set of BFG AT's in the shed with less than 3K on them. I pick up a generic noname retreaded winter tire (studded) for the winter months. The soft rubber and extra siping of a true winter tire is far ahead of any AT. Not that the BFG AT is a bad tire, but a winter tire is just that much better.

Its like running AT's in the mud, they'll do the job most of the time - but there is always times you wish you had the mudders...

Details
02-21-2006, 08:54 PM
I agree with Toyotajoe, nothing beats a good winter tire. Who better would know this than a Newfoundlander they drive in the white stuff almost 10 months of the year or at least it seems that way some winters!

ariman
06-25-2006, 02:00 PM
Is there 33" winter tires available?

Gregoma
06-25-2006, 03:45 PM
BFG have winter rating and they are excellant in snow.

ariman
06-25-2006, 05:15 PM
BFG have winter rating and they are excellant in snow.
BFG M/T and A/T has both M+S marking, but neither of them is a real wintertire. Past winter I drove BFG A/Ts and with my experience, not even close to real winter tire. Much better than BFG M/T (also 1 winter experience) though. Both sets where imbossible to balance.

Now Im running Bridgestone M/Ts as a summertire with no balance problems.
All 3 sets has been exactly same size.

I'm looking after 33" 'real' wintertire, might be hard one?

JBL13
06-25-2006, 05:28 PM
BFG M/T and A/T has both M+S marking, but neither of them is a real wintertire. Past winter I drove BFG A/Ts and with my experience, not even close to real winter tire. Much better than BFG M/T (also 1 winter experience) though. Both sets where imbossible to balance.

Now Im running Bridgestone M/Ts as a summertire with no balance problems.
All 3 sets has been exactly same size.

I'm looking after 33" 'real' wintertire, might be hard one?

The BFG A/T KO meets the RMA definition for passenger and light truck for use in severe snow conditions, according to the BFG website.

They're very good for a tire that is not a dedicated winter tire.

sixspeed
06-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Unfortunately for ON road use the best "snow tires" are great in snow and not very agressive for anything else.

A Brigestone Blizzak is an awesome snow tire but useless as even an all-season tire off road.

The Cooper Discoverer M&S (NOT STT) is a great "snow tire" on road and it's RMA severe service certified but is really not at all agressive for mud.

The BFG AT is a good all around tire and yep it's RMA severe service certified. It's not really super agressive either.

IMHO there aren't a good selection of tires that are good ON ROAD for snow use that have an agressive enough tread for mud and off-road snow. Regardless of what somebody might argue, if those "mud and snow" tires are that good on road snow the manufacturer will do the testing to get them RMA severe service certified.

On-road snow tires need to be siped, have a tread compound that doesn't heat up, and is agressive enough to clean out the snow.

I've been through tons of on-road snow tires over the years for plowing.... and since Firestone did away with the "Town and Country" there really aren't many agressive tread snow tires on the market. Tires such as the Dunlop Radial Rover RV and the Goodyear workhorse xtra grip and the BFG commercial traction TA have a siped real snow tire tread that digs well but the rubber compound isn't very grippy for light vehicles like the Taco.

IMHO the BFG AT is the best all around you're gonna get for street snow use.

For off road usage... Well... Cooper STT's???

hawaiianbro
06-25-2006, 08:46 PM
My BFG's worked out great in the snow.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3823/snow2oz.gif

Until I got into about 2 1/2' of powder :D

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/110/stuck0yj.gif

Even though I only bought them because I got a great deal on them, they have been great. But, my next set of rubbers will either be BFG muds or Goodyear mtrs.

ariman
06-26-2006, 10:33 AM
SIXSPEED has many good points, thanks for bringing them all out :)
Actually You made me question my own thoughts what i really want.
My first idea was to look after something like Cooper M+S witch You pointed out, just missing 33" size.
Then i realized how much i like winter wheeling and that made me look closer STT tread pattern, not bad. But i think i might like Trxus MT more. Looks like more siped than STT. http://www.intercotire.com/piclib/579.jpg

Pick from my first Bridge MT trial, just after change from ATs last springtime:

http://users.kymp.net/dsl11271/Offikka/2006/Im002595as.jpg

coldtaco
06-26-2006, 04:46 PM
For a year round tire, I have been running the BFG A/T in a 33x10.5x15 tire. Iv'e used these for the last 8? years. If you deal with ice mostly, then you would be better off getting a dedicated winter tire that is studded. Otherwise, we have never had any problems during our long winters. This is being used in south central AK and in Fairbanks, AK. Don't work worth anything on a short wheel base rig unfortunately, studs only.