Redneck Ram Stage II kit?

[Valkyrie]

know a LC guy thinking of using them- sends his Saginaw in, they rebuild/drill/tap & send back with all hoses ram & hardware for about $450. My question is, I seem to think somebody (DF maybe?) had serious issues with them, but I can't recall. Anybody know these guys or remember who I am thinking of? It was something like 2 or three units were sent back & in the end they sat on it & didn't do squat- blamed it on the customer?
Thanks in advance...

[zszac111]

yeah it was dick who had all the problems, i was going to run one of their rams till i heard all they did was leak. i guess ill tap my box and see if i dont break the damn thing then buy the ram

[Dick Foster]

Yeah, it was me. There steering box work seems to be OK but their cylinders are garbage. It's not just me either. I got one of the guys to fess up one day on the phone. Take a look at the different cylinders out there and you will see the difference in quality. The WTOR cylinder is a PITA to rebuild too. Just ask anyone who knows about this kind of thing. There are other sources, I have cylinders from WTOR, AGR and PSC. The best build quality is the PSC it's built like a brick shithouse. The AGR is not too shabby but the heim situation on the rod end kinda sucks. I've heard some good things about Rocklogic too but have not seen any of their stuff first hand. You might want to check them out too.

[Valkyrie]

Great, thanks!

[zszac111]

how much do the PSC rams run? 1.5"x8" correct?

[Dick Foster]

It was about a buck fifty as I recall. I think he has prices on his website. He a real nice guy to talk too so you might want to drop a dime and call him too.

[TOYMINATOR]

know a LC guy thinking of using them- sends his Saginaw in, they rebuild/drill/tap & send back with all hoses ram & hardware for about $450. My question is, I seem to think somebody (DF maybe?) had serious issues with them, but I can't recall. Anybody know these guys or remember who I am thinking of? It was something like 2 or three units were sent back & in the end they sat on it & didn't do squat- blamed it on the customer?
Thanks in advance... Chris, I put together my own kit:

1.5" Bore Ram w/8" of stroke and heims already on both ends - $105 bucks
Hydro hoses w/quick disconnects - $135 bucks
Box tapped at a local shop - $50 bucks
Being able to steer in the rocks in compound 4 low - priceless :D

[Valkyrie]

LOL! Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll pass on all the info...

[zszac111]

drop a dime and call him too. :stfu: :D

[Dick Foster]

Are you looking for trouble?:bitchslap :xmoon:

[Bear]

As Dick made reference to, RockLogic has been great to work with so far! I had them rebuild and tap my box for my project and everything was top notch work.

I am having to wait to do the full kit though, I ran out of money for the time being. But they have a special going on right now on their Hydro assist kit.

$200 for ram and hoses. It runs until Xmas, or at least that is what Von from there told me. they only charged me $65 to tap or was it $50? either case it was one or the other for the tapping and the other amount for the rebuild. I don't have my receipt in front of me right now

[Front Range]

Chris, I put together my own kit:

1.5" Bore Ram w/8" of stroke and heims already on both ends - $105 bucks
Hydro hoses w/quick disconnects - $135 bucks
Box tapped at a local shop - $50 bucks
Being able to steer in the rocks in compound 4 low - priceless :D

Now just imagine a 2" ram, booted high flow pump. Then palm 42's into rocks and move the truck sideways. ;)

[BigBadBob0]

It was about a buck fifty as I recall. I think he has prices on his website. He a real nice guy to talk too so you might want to drop a dime and call him too.

Where can you make a phone call for a dime? :D

[cb77DEMELLO]

yeah it was dick who had all the problems, i was going to run one of their rams till i heard all they did was leak. i guess ill tap my box and see if i dont break the damn thing then buy the ram
It is easy to tap the box! Just don't rebuild it by your self! If you need help or tips e-mail me I can tell you what I did. I followed that online write up but If you have any questions let me know!

[zszac111]

It is easy to tap the box! Just don't rebuild it by your self! If you need help or tips e-mail me I can tell you what I did. I followed that online write up but If you have any questions let me know!

did you open anything up to allow it to flow better or did you just rebuild it? my box has zero play in it and works great, but turning 39.5's out on the rocks isnt fun, i want to be able to one finger it, if that sounded right :D

[Dick Foster]

That has more to do with the pump and the bore of the ram. The stock Tacoma pump will do OK with a 1.5" bore. I attempted to soup up a Tacoma pump up but found that the HP valve is sweged together so you can't get in there to stiffen up the spring. I did bore out the orfice some. However the larger orfice without the pressure change resulted in some intersting steering. At normal cruise RPMs up all you had to do was think about a lane change and you were over there but when you let the RPMs drop as in turning a corner, the PS went away completely and you had the additional force of the ram to overcome to boot. Nedless to say, it required planning ahead so you could get the clutch in get the revs up. I went back to an unmodified stock pump in very short order. Well that was unmodified with the exception of more fluid capacity in the res. To get one finger with big ass tires would probably take going to another pump and a larger bore cylinder. I don't think the Taco pump has enough capacity avaliable to drive a large cylinder and have a decent steering rate too.

[zszac111]

That has more to do with the pump and the bore of the ram. The stock Tacoma pump will do OK with a 1.5" bore. I attempted to soup up a Tacoma pump up but found that the HP valve is sweged together so you can't get in there to stiffen up the spring. I did bore out the orfice some. However the larger orfice without the pressure change resulted in some intersting steering. At normal cruise RPMs up all you had to do was think about a lane change and you were over there but when you let the RPMs drop as in turning a corner, the PS went away completely and you had the additional force of the ram to overcome to boot. Nedless to say, it required planning ahead so you could get the clutch in get the revs up. I went back to an unmodified stock pump in very short order. Well that was unmodified with the exception of more fluid capacity in the res. To get one finger with big ass tires would probably take going to another pump and a larger bore cylinder. I don't think the Taco pump has enough capacity avaliable to drive a large cylinder and have a decent steering rate too.

Thanks for the info, its not a must to one finger it out there, but having to grape ape the damn wheel to turn just plain sucks ass. i think i will tap my box tomorrow and attacth the mounts using a ram i have laying around the shop and have quick connect lines made by my hydro shop. maybe ill be able to steer the damn thing next weekend on the trails for once :D

[Dick Foster]

If you do do it. I have an little idea for your tie rod attach. It takes a little extra work but it sure beats the hell out of welding the tabs to your tie rod.

[zszac111]

If you do do it. I have an little idea for your tie rod attach. It takes a little extra work but it sure beats the hell out of welding the tabs to your tie rod.

go ahead and throw it out there, im going to the shop tomorrow to mess around so i can fab it up. my tie rod is 1 1/4" DOM with 3/4" hiem on one side and hard mount on the other if that helps any.

[Murderman]

That has more to do with the pump and the bore of the ram. The stock Tacoma pump will do OK with a 1.5" bore. I attempted to soup up a Tacoma pump up but found that the HP valve is sweged together so you can't get in there to stiffen up the spring. I did bore out the orfice some. However the larger orfice without the pressure change resulted in some intersting steering. At normal cruise RPMs up all you had to do was think about a lane change and you were over there but when you let the RPMs drop as in turning a corner, the PS went away completely and you had the additional force of the ram to overcome to boot. Nedless to say, it required planning ahead so you could get the clutch in get the revs up. I went back to an unmodified stock pump in very short order. Well that was unmodified with the exception of more fluid capacity in the res. To get one finger with big ass tires would probably take going to another pump and a larger bore cylinder. I don't think the Taco pump has enough capacity avaliable to drive a large cylinder and have a decent steering rate too.

Dick,

Chris's original post was regarding a LC. As you know, pump selection for such a rig is vastly more flexible than for a Taco, so a larger ram could be an option for him if he felt it was needed.

BTW, when was the last time that you used a pay phone....10 cents? :lmao:

Later, John

[zszac111]

You think switching to a saginaw box would help any? im about feed up with the steering systems on the tacaoma's. also im wondering about fabing up a bracket so i can use another pump. EDIT: and no shit 10 cents for a pay phone. damn im way to young to remember if that was even around :D

Dick,

Chris's original post was regarding a LC. As you know, pump selection for such a rig is vastly more flexible than for a Taco, so a larger ram could be an option for him if he felt it was needed.

BTW, when was the last time that you used a pay phone....10 cents? :lmao:

Later, John

[Murderman]

Zac,

I am probably not the right guy to specify details of Taco SAS's, since I sold my IFS Taco a few years back. I am sure that one of the guys with more expertise in that specific area will chime in.

FWIW, I am running a Saginaw box on my Heep, and I am pretty sure that Shannon has one on his rig. From what I understand, they are a little less common than pre-Taco IFS boxes for Taco SAS conversions.

If you think 10 cent phonecalls are a hoot, how about 30 cent a gallon gas, or B&W TV's without remote or cable?

Regards, John

[zszac111]

I have access to a saginaw box, actually a few of them, ill just have to pull my pre-tacoma box off, re-plate the frame and then mount the new box. BTW im only 23 so no i dont remember the B&W TV's, however i do remember the old VCR's that had the remote with the cable on it :)

Zac,

I am probably not the right guy to specify details of Taco SAS's, since I sold my IFS Taco a few years back. I am sure that one of the guys with more expertise in that specific area will chime in.

FWIW, I am running a Saginaw box on my Heep, and I am pretty sure that Shannon has one on his rig. From what I understand, they are a little less common than pre-Taco IFS boxes for Taco SAS conversions.

If you think 10 cent phonecalls are a hoot, how about 30 cent a gallon gas, or B&W TV's without remote or cable?

Regards, John

[TMS2U]

go ahead and throw it out there, im going to the shop tomorrow to mess around so i can fab it up. my tie rod is 1 1/4" DOM with 3/4" hiem on one side and hard mount on the other if that helps any.
Here (http://www.teddnet.com/images/SAS/ha/TRbracket.jpg) is a crappy pic of my version of Dicks idea. Basically a clamp-on with some welded on bungs for added support but still allows you to do toe corrections

I have the WTOR ram and mine leaked after a week. Of course that was right before the Moab trip so I was in a pinch to get it up and running so I had a local shop rebuild it. It hasn't leaked since. Maybe they are just using crappy seals?

[oztaco]

I've been running a 2"cyl. all year almost and i haven't had any problems at all, steering its great.
Oz.

[zszac111]

Here (http://www.teddnet.com/images/SAS/ha/TRbracket.jpg) is a crappy pic of my version of Dicks idea. Basically a clamp-on with some welded on bungs for added support but still allows you to do toe corrections

I have the WTOR ram and mine leaked after a week. Of course that was right before the Moab trip so I was in a pinch to get it up and running so I had a local shop rebuild it. It hasn't leaked since. Maybe they are just using crappy seals?

i think im just going to run something like this on the TR, my truck is just a trail rig so on road manners dont matter anymore http://www.spydercustoms.com/parts/steering/imga0207.jpg

but i still havent figured out what im going to do for the axle mount. i only got to mess with the truck for about 30 mins this weekend but i should be able to get it all done this up coming week, i got a deal on a 2x8 PSC ram from a buddy who changed to double ended rams, just got to get the hoses made and tap the box. :D