total chaos or sas?

[KRYPTO(dale)]

just wondering what would work best for an all around trail rig.
opinions?:cool:

[zszac111]

just wondering what would work best for an all around trail rig.
opinions?:cool:


what type of trails. i say some kind of linked SAS with good Airbumps would work well, that is if it is set up correct...

[Toyasaurus]

just wondering what would work best for an all around trail rig.
opinions?:cool:
I've never heard anything good about the Total chaos kit. But for a total traiil rig why even mess with the IFS? Just torch it off and throw a d60 under it. A SA will most definately be better for offroad then an IFS kit. Plus easier to repair.

[Brain]

Solid axle Dale!!! Solid axle!!!

[LavosTRD]

wtf are u talking about u havent heard anything good about that kit??? its the best complete LT kit out there.........do u ever know what u are talking about?? or just another if its not sas'd it doesnt belong type of person?

[Brain]

wtf are u talking about u havent heard anything good about that kit??? its the best complete LT kit out there.........do u ever know what u are talking about?? or just another if its not sas'd it doesnt belong type of person?

For a go-fast bolt-on kit, it's a good kit. As for rock crawling, it doesn't offer much besides width and more clearance between the ground and IFS.

If you knew Dale, you would soon find out that he is hammer down in the rocks. The whole way through Rubicon was a riot LOL For a trail rig, solid axle with coilovers would be a good option for him. :ozzy:

[Mike]

just wondering what would work best for an all around trail rig.
opinions?:cool:
Dale, IFS is not for you. I saw the condition your rig was in after the Rubicon. :)

Later,
....Mike

[LavosTRD]

my problem was with teh bad mouthing total chaos.......its a LT kit it was never designed to be used for rock crawling.....and says its a bad kit cuz it doesnt do something too well that it wasnt designed to do doesnt make sense to me

[Toyasaurus]

wtf are u talking about u havent heard anything good about that kit??? its the best complete LT kit out there.........do u ever know what u are talking about?? or just another if its not sas'd it doesnt belong type of person?
Wow, calm down. I know what I am talking about, still learning some. When he said trail I didn't assume high speed, in the desert stuff. Wish your claim about me was true but its not. My rig isn't even SAS'd yet but it will be. So don't flame until you know the person, until then, keep your mouth shut.

[Baja Belk]

I've never heard anything good about the Total chaos kit. But for a total traiil rig why even mess with the IFS? Just torch it off and throw a d60 under it. A SA will most definately be better for offroad then an IFS kit. Plus easier to repair.

That's funny, cuz I've only heard good things about Total Chaos. And he wasn't asking about a "Total trail rig", he said a "good all around trail rig". So if he's still planning on driving the truck on the street I don't think lopping off the IFS is the smartest thing to do. And if this is gonna be a hardcore trail rig, then go ahead, SA it. If you know him personally that's fine but if not let's find out what we're talking about before we rip on a bitchin company/product.

[tacodab]

dale!!! you need a TANK .....LOL

[zszac111]

". So if he's still planning on driving the truck on the street I don't think lopping off the IFS is the smartest thing to do.

if the SAS is done correctly and he doesnt cut corners it will ride better on the streets than the IFS stuff does, i know mine does, and thats with leafs, i could only imagin how well a coilover rig would ride. plus you have a stronger front end. i dont know anything about the sand stuff though since im in alabama and really dont care too.

[bizzler]

I got the total chaos and love it. But I think a sas 4 link dual rate coils would out do my truck in the dez or on the trails. But your talkin probably twice as much money as i spent

[Bryanccfshr]

just wondering what would work best for an all around trail rig.
opinions?:cool:


It really depends on what you want out of it. I like both long travel setups and SAS rigs for their being good at what they do. For all around toughness a solid axle is hard to beat. With a SAS you are getting rid of the terrible placed and weak Steering rack, which is the worst feature of the Tacoma.

From the trails you run I say SAS.

[zszac111]

With a SAS you are getting rid of the terrible placed and weak Steering rack, which is the worst feature of the Tacoma.


Another very good point

[Dick Foster]

That qualifies as an understatement. Or should it be pointing out the obvious. LOL

[Will Revis]

:ozzy: if the SAS is done correctly and he doesnt cut corners it will ride better on the streets than the IFS stuff does, i know mine does, and thats with leafs, i could only imagin how well a coilover rig would ride. plus you have a stronger front end. i dont know anything about the sand stuff though since im in alabama and really dont care too.


With proper shocks/valving the ifs will be superior... on any surface at speeds above 5mph.:ozzy:

[hytenor]

just wondering what would work best for an all around trail rig.
opinions?:cool:

If this if for Ol'e Blue I can't believe you are even asking the question, LOL

[hytenor]

my problem was with teh bad mouthing total chaos.......its a LT kit it was never designed to be used for rock crawling.....and says its a bad kit cuz it doesnt do something too well that it wasnt designed to do doesnt make sense to me

you should watch Jesse and his LT project Tacoma blaze up rocky trails, LOL

[Ted]

you should watch Jesse and his LT project Tacoma blaze up rocky trails, LOL

he shoud also check out some pics from BruceTS.

[4x4Tacoma]

I personally have the total chaos kit and would go with nothing else for my application. I pre run in the dessert and it works great. As far as the rock crawling i have limited experience and dont really plan on doing to much. The kit works well for an all perpose rig and with 4x4 still intact i am always pulling out my 2x4 (ford ranger) friends.

[hytenor]

he shoud also check out some pics from BruceTS.

fer sure, LOL. Gee, Bruce hardly wheels much, huh? ;)

Dale is pretty hard on his rig so SA is really the way to go for him.

[Front Range]

These blanket posts need some more info, before we can answer.

What type of trails do you run?

What do you want the trcuk to be best at (mall, rocks, speed)?

Blanket answers are even less useful "SA is best, IFS is best" Cmon guys, youre all smarter than this!

For rocks, SA, no question. For speed, desert, IFS.

Oh and Ive got a customer who did the "caddy" kit from Chaos, for an all around rig on 33's. With a crawler, he got tired of breaking it. Now, there's a SA in front.

[BruceTS]

If your planning on doing hardcore rock crawling, SAS done properly is the best. In my case, it's my DD and I really like the way IFS rides. Doing the Total Chaos LT kit was cheaper and only took me a few days to install. I like the high speed Dezert stuff as well as playing on the rocks, as for breakages, I've only snapped 2 axles and both, were avoidable.

Another thing to consider is the tire size your planning on running, anything larger than 35", SAS is your only option. With that said, I haven't wheeled hard enough to justify going SA, but by that time I'll have built a full blown buggy and just avoid the upgrade process........

First you do a SAS
then comes the exo
then the bed comes off and the back gets tubed
after a few rollovers all the sheetmetal comes off and a truggy is born
and finally it becomes a formula toy...hehe

For now I'm slowly collecting up all the parts needed to build a decent single seater linked buggy on D60's with front and rear hydro-steering.