New Suspension Setup, Want to know your guys opinions

[02TacoRunner]

Im getting ready to do long travel on my tacoma. The setup im thinkin of doing is Camburgs long travel kit with an engine cage with fox coilovers, bypasses, and bumps. In the rear im thinking sone deaver 62's with some 2.5x16 fox triple bypasses but I still dont know weither or not to have it leaf sprung or link it. Let me know what you guys think about the setup. Thanks

[Tanto]

It sounds like money is no object to you on this project...

It sounds like you're doing it right the first time, you really can't go wrong with TC or Camburg's kits.

Make sure that you reinforce the first main crossmember. Corey showed me the big cracks on the frame of his taco when we were swapping his long travel kit into my Tacoma.

[jermedic]

Sounds like you will have an awesome truck. If you are going to be dirving quite a bit on the street I think the 62's would be a better option. I have heard links suck on the street. The 62's ride great and are also less expensive. My .02

[02TacoRunner]

Oh money is an object definatly. Its just going all to my truck. What kit do you have on your truck?

[Tanto]

Total Chaos with King 2.5x8 coilovers w/ external resevoirs...I would suggest getting yours revalved or if possible getting King to do that for you before they ship it out.

[Tanto]

Oh money is an object definatly. Its just going all to my truck.
:rofl: I know what you're saying...mine was totally stock 6 months ago...

[02TacoRunner]

Ya this sport definatly cost alot of cash but the feeling you get when your sailing 7 feet in the air is priceless. The foxs im going to get for the camburg kit are valved for the TC Taco long travel kit so I hope those work really well.

[built2prerun4]

Do a search on DR, i saw you put up a thread there. They wont really answer you there because its been talked about so many times. I have heard, not yet experienced with my own truck "yet", but the deaver leaf spring setup on a tacoma works well and can almost perform like a linked truck if setup right (shock location/valving). Matt Helton/Jesse from TLT have covered shackle location, shock angle at bump, if 18" are preferred over 16", etc. DR threads also covered the Cam vs. TC vs. ESB vs. whatever...sorry i dont have time to post a link for ya homie, but its there...
Also driving a linked truck daily is not that fun...itll end up getting parked while you search for a daily driver. my .02

[Tanto]

TC and Camburg are nearly identical. If the previous owner was happy about it, you should be good. You may want to find out from the previous owner of those shocks how hard he beat his setup and how many miles are on those shocks so you can possibly rebuild them beforehand.

[02TacoRunner]

The shocks are brand new from fox. Im still trying to debate weither or not to get the chrome option so all the shocks can be all blinged out. I also need to learn how to valve shocks cause I want to get mine dialed in the best I can when I get them.

[Kirkenhiemer]

Camburg , good choice! If your going to use fox or king coil overs you will need to build a custom shock hoop for those because the stock coilover bucket is too low. Other wise you can only use a swayaway with the custom shock body in the stock coilover location. Go with deavers if you get a TC or Camburg kit you don't really need that much travel in the rear if the front can't keep up.

[built2prerun4]

I also need to learn how to valve shocks cause I want to get mine dialed in the best I can when I get them.

http://dezertrangers.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=14;t=41511

Donahoe Racing/Wizard Fab are hosting a shock tuning seminar on Sept 22-23rd. You must rsvp, its free! Im looking forward to attending as well. DR sucks right now and the info is gone on the link, but ill call tomorrow to reserve my spot and let you know more details...

[02TacoRunner]

Thanks built2prerun4. Ill definatly check on the siminar. Kirkenhiemer how do you like your camburg front end with foxs. I have never heard or seen anyone with that setup before thats why I was going to do it but I guess you beat me to it. Do you have any pics of your truck?

[Kirkenhiemer]

I don't have any pictures. I raised the stock coil location up an 1 1/2" but I still need to go up about a 1/2" to get 13" of travel. I love the camburg arms, I really like the boxed arm look. My suspension set up as it is now is so smooth over the whoops, and I'm only about threee quarters complete. I only have bumpstops and coilovers up front right now and I need air bumps for the rear.

[xxxjuhstenxxx]

Camburg and TC are both great kits. I think though if you are wanting to go all out then go with ESB's kit. Its ONLY uses heims and uni-balls unlike TC or Camburg and it has a strong as hell spindle. It also comes with heimed steering, cant go wrong. Either way if you get one of the three you will be set. http://esbfabrications.com/tacokit.htm

[built2prerun4]

Heres some more information on the shock tuning seminar http://www.desertrides.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5917
What up Justin, i talked to you a while back about buyin your fenders...didnt know it was you on here till i saw em again for sale. I thought i was goin the ESB route and 6" fenders, but after doing some more homework i decided on the TC kit for my truck. If ida known you still had those i woulda picked em up off you.
Last i heard was that ESB is not taking any orders at this time...call Mike at ESB and find out for sure though if you are interested in their kit.

[02TacoRunner]

I would go with ESB but the last thing I heard was that ESB is not longer in business. There was a big forum about it on Dezert Rangers. The only bad thing about the ESB kit is I would lose my 4WD and I want to keep it as long as it my daily driver. When it not my daily driver I want to tear apart the whole truck and do full custom suspension like 6" over arms in the front and link the rear. Also fully cage the truck but I might do that pretty soon.

[Eleos]

i too heard from a few reliable sources at the night race the other day that mike is no longer producing kits. it's a shame considering how reputable and race proven his stuff is.

[xxxjuhstenxxx]

Heres some more information on the shock tuning seminar http://www.desertrides.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5917
What up Justin, i talked to you a while back about buyin your fenders...didnt know it was you on here till i saw em again for sale. I thought i was goin the ESB route and 6" fenders, but after doing some more homework i decided on the TC kit for my truck. If ida known you still had those i woulda picked em up off you.
Last i heard was that ESB is not taking any orders at this time...call Mike at ESB and find out for sure though if you are interested in their kit.

Hey what up, yeah I just sold the fenders. Should of hit me up. I dont think ESB is out of buisness, check the website. Yeah you can go wrong with tc or Camburg. If you go tc you have alot of upgrade options, but they also will work with camburg. The one thing that I know that TC has on Camburg is that on the TC kit it bumps off of the upper control arm and it is alot more efficiant that way... you can make your decision...

[YoTRacer158]

The only bad thing about the ESB kit is I would lose my 4WD and I want to keep it as long as it my daily driver.

You can have custom axles made and keep 4wd...

And for all of you who liked the ESB kit...keep your eyes out. I had no idea he wasn't making kits anymore, as I havent talked to him in a while...but there might be a new kit on the market soon...

[Eleos]

Hey what up, yeah I just sold the fenders. Should of hit me up. I dont think ESB is out of buisness, check the website. Yeah you can go wrong with tc or Camburg. If you go tc you have alot of upgrade options, but they also will work with camburg. The one thing that I know that TC has on Camburg is that on the TC kit it bumps off of the upper control arm and it is alot more efficiant that way... you can make your decision...
http://dezertrangers.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=14;t=42441;&#top

[Tweeter]

Moved it for you... Yea Mike's done for now. Keep in mind if you link it you're going to need to chop the frame and get a fuel cell, new plumbing, and a new rear axle which adds up real quick. Give us an idea of what your budget is or how much you're willing to spend. Also is this truck a daily driver or weekend warrior or full time chase/prerun vehicle. If you do get everything worked out some good shops I've heard nothing but great things about are OC Offroad, Blitzkrieg Motorsports, Link Motorsports, and Camburg of course.

[02TacoRunner]

After doing alot of thinking im not going to build my tacoma. Its my daily driver and I still make payments on it. I decided im going to build a older toyota pickup that way it will be cheaper and I wont have to relay on it everyday. Gabe at G&M Fabworxs is going to build the truck. The kit he designed for it will pull 23" of travel out of an a-arm truck which is gnarly. In the rear im going to do 62" cause im getting a good deal on them. If anyone is or knows someone selling like a 90-95 standard cab toyota pickup with a 4cyl 5spd let me know cause im looking for one

[Tweeter]

Gabe does good work, mainly Ranger stuff but still good. Check out RDC classifieds they always have something up for grabs in there!

[CentralCoastTaco99]

The one thing that I know that TC has on Camburg is that on the TC kit it bumps off of the upper control arm and it is alot more efficiant that way... you can make your decision...

every TC kit ive seen bumps on the lower control arm. maybe you meant lower? ive never seen a TC kit bumping off the upper arm.

[prerunnerguy]

Moved it for you... Yea Mike's done for now. Keep in mind if you link it you're going to need to chop the frame and get a fuel cell, new plumbing, and a new rear axle which adds up real quick. Give us an idea of what your budget is or how much you're willing to spend. Also is this truck a daily driver or weekend warrior or full time chase/prerun vehicle. If you do get everything worked out some good shops I've heard nothing but great things about are OC Offroad, Blitzkrieg Motorsports, Link Motorsports, and Camburg of course.


ESB mike posted this on DR it says july of 03 put it was last week
http://dezertrangers.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=14;t=42441;hl=esb

[AllJumpStyle]

I got to talk to ESB Mike at the Vegas to Reno race, and although he's done for the moment, don't count him out. He just has some things to take care of first. Kind of a fucked up situation if you ask me. He's a good guy though, and I'd like to see him back in the LT market soon.

[prerunnerguy]

I got to talk to ESB Mike at the Vegas to Reno race, and although he's done for the moment, don't count him out. He just has some things to take care of first. Kind of a fucked up situation if you ask me. He's a good guy though, and I'd like to see him back in the LT market soon.

Yes i hope to see him back in the LT game also.I a very happy with my LT kit i got from ESB.I hope he gets things worked out.

[Tanto]

every TC kit ive seen bumps on the lower control arm. maybe you meant lower? ive never seen a TC kit bumping off the upper arm.
He must be talking about an air-bumpstop mounted to contact the upper arm. Not an ideal placement IMO because you have a much stronger base for them on the lower control arm and much more surface area.

There's a video on YouTube where the guy blows out the bottom of his shock racing and you can see where they mounted the air-bump at the end...it looked like the upper arm missed the bumpstop which caused the shock to blow out.