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nickcuban

10-06-2006, 09:21 PM

according to packing.org ( a concealed weapons info site) it seems to be legal to carry a firearm in state parks and WMA. just wondering if anyone planned on it. heres the link that tells about it. although its not a long explanation im sure if anyone is interested there is a printup of the law somewhere.

http://www.packing.org/state/florida/#stateoff_limits

usmcracing

10-06-2006, 09:30 PM

BAD IDEA. Leave the gun at home.

nickcuban

10-06-2006, 09:31 PM

yeah i didnt really plan on taking it. just seeing if anyone else was going to

GOT COPE?

10-07-2006, 12:13 AM

BAD IDEA. Leave the gun at home.

Why is it a bad idea if its legal?

Toxic

10-07-2006, 12:43 AM

Why is it a bad idea if its legal?

It's not legal in this state to have a gun in state forests unless you have a hunting permit and it's hunting season or I would have mine in it's reg spot right under my seat

GOT COPE?

10-07-2006, 05:37 AM

It's not legal in this state to have a gun in state forests unless you have a hunting permit and it's hunting season or I would have mine in it's reg spot right under my seat Well that makes sense. Same law in GA. I disagree with that though. Dont understand what harm could come from allowing a law abiding CCW permit holder to carry in state parks etc. Would be wonderful to see that law changed, would enable myself and others to carry when wheeling and doing other activities on state park land. ie Tellico.
Would I have gun holstered and on my person when wheeling, probably not :rolleyes: But would be available in the console or glovebox.

nickcuban

10-07-2006, 10:36 AM

It's not legal in this state to have a gun in state forests unless you have a hunting permit and it's hunting season or I would have mine in it's reg spot right under my seat

the link i posted is all about laws with the concealed weapons permit and under the off limits section it says that it is now legal to carry one if youve got the permit.

this is from http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/read.aspx?ID=2262

(5) HB-1029 Firearms in National Forests & State Parks

A bill to restore the right to possess firearms for self-defense and other lawful purposes while in National Forests and State Parks in Florida. Passed the Florida Legislature 5/2/06.

HB-1029 Sponsored by Representative Dennis Baxley (R-Ocala) in the House and Senator Bill Posey (R-Rockledge) in the Senate does the following:

1. Repeals the law that bans firearms in National Forests in Florida (s. 790.11, 790.12, 790.14)

2. Directs the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) to repeal its rule that bans firearms in State Parks (rule 62D-2.014(10).

3. Requires that all other applicable firearms laws be followed.

4. Requires that a new rule be formulated by DEP that allows firearms in state parks and stipulates that firearms shall at all times be in the possession of a responsible party or properly secured within or to a vehicle or temporary housing, which shall include motor homes, travel trailers, recreational vehicles, campers, tents, or other enclosed structures, while in state parks.

The law being repealed is obsolete. There are public shooting ranges in Florida's National Forests. FWC officers teach the firearms portion of Hunter Safety courses at these ranges and have been very concerned about violating this obsolete law. Further, there homes in National Forests and the old law violates their firearms rights. The DEP regulation that prohibits firearms in state parks VIOLATES state law (790.33)

The bill passed the House 90-27 and passed the Senate 31-6. Signed into law by Governor Bush on 6/7/06.

and this is from http://www.packing.org/state/florida/

Date updated: Jun 13, 2006 @ 10:29 pm

THIS JUST IN - Effective October 1, 2006, Florida State Parks and National Forests in Florida are no longer off limits to concealed carry by permit holders. Effective July 1, 2006, permit holders will be able to carry concealed in Wildlife Management Areas (WMAs).

from reading those i think you can carry whether you have a huntign permit of not

Toxic

10-07-2006, 05:35 PM

Well thats cool as I do have my concealed weapons permit and from what I get if you dont have one it's not legal to have a gun in the state parks....I had not been looking into the law cause it was not legal at all unless it was hunting season but that bill was just passed so :D...Still dont mean I will be taking it out with me as a group...Somethings dont need to be in a group run...There will be plenty of us there...and little kids...never know what could happen

nickcuban

10-07-2006, 05:42 PM

yeah for sure no need for it... although there probably will be some angry hunters there (its hunting season right?) but i guess they wont really be at boston or most the place we will

2Tense

10-07-2006, 06:20 PM

Somethings dont need to be in a group run...There will be plenty of us there...and little kids...never know what could happen

:clap: this is neither the time or the place, I'm all for fire power but, I'm not on this run.

That's why I'm bringing the knife, machete, axe and chainsaw :D

usmcracing

10-07-2006, 09:10 PM

:clap: this is neither the time or the place, I'm all for fire power but, I'm not on this run.

That's why I'm bringing the knife, machete, axe and chainsaw :D

Like I said its not a NOT a good idea.

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10-08-2006, 09:50 PM

Toxic

10-09-2006, 12:32 AM

Yeah thats true and all...but we are not camping in the woods alone...we are not wheeling in the woods alone...some dumbass is just that if they think that they could take all of us at once...Yes I can think of a lot of reasons to bring it but I have one reason not to and thats all i need.. I know Steven and myself will have kids with us and if by chance they found it well thats just not a good thing...Like I said I am all for carring it...I have my permit but I feel safer in the group than I do with that under my seat...Im not looking out for myself by not taking it im looking out of the little guy thats riding with me

usmcracing

10-09-2006, 05:38 AM

why is it NOT a good idea? if there is no reason to carry in a national forest, why am i seeing crap on the ONF murders. And, you're not supposed to carry in places that you might need it anyway (just don't go there)... that permit is basically for that just-incase senario. Such a senario is possible at a forest too.

as long as the law allows it:
just fawking be responsible and take the gun if you want. it's another one of those freedoms that we get to enjoy while they last.

Dude I'm for the right to bear arms and stuff. Yes I know there have been a couple of murders in ONF over the past few years. BUT, Look Jacksonville there is a murder or two every night. Do I carry a gun 24-7, NO. Even if I had a CWP I couldn't carry 24-7 cause I work on base and you can't bring a gun onto base. There isn't going to be a need for a gun at a LARGE camp out. If I were going with just myself and a couple others then I'd say yes. You can claim to be the gun safety nazi but I see people doing stupid unsafe things with guns all the time. Hell just look at what happened in Jax a couple of weeks ago, Deputy Accidentally Shoots and Kills Himself- http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=65973

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=65981
I mean of all the people you'd think would know how to handle a gun it would a cop. So if I can't trust a cop with a gun how in the hell am I going to trust one you fawkers? Hey people do stupid shit every day and with guns, alcohol, kids, and other people wanting to show thier GUN off , it just makes the chances of something STUPID happening higher. I can already see the post that some of you are going to post after this and saying how you know how to handle a gun, well so did that guy and look what fawk he did. The chances of someone getting hurt/killed in a gun accident are much higher then being murdered. If I see any one of you with a gun out in the open around me, my daughter, or my wife I'm going to punch you in the fawking face.

Neil426

10-09-2006, 06:41 AM

I don't trust anyone but myself with a gun. Being responsible with a gun means being responsible for other people too even if you are not the one handling it, and if it is yours no one else should be handling it. A cwp means you are not going to advertise the fact that you have a gun. If you bring a gun to the campout (which I don't think You'll need) be ready to be responsible enough to keep it a secret from everyone. Keep it locked up when you don't carry it and lastly don't let anyone know you have it with you.

Toxic

10-09-2006, 06:43 AM

. If I see any one of you with a gun out in the open around me, my daughter, or my wife I'm going to punch you in the fawking face.

I have to agree with you on this one...Cause of the same reason for me..

Leave the guns home

GOT COPE?

10-09-2006, 08:31 AM

usmcracing

10-09-2006, 10:57 AM

This is the whole problem with the 2A. People trying to tell others what to do with their guns.

No different than someone telling you to leave the kid or the dog at home as they dont want to be bothered with any unecessary stops.

You can't compare guns to kids/pets. You aren't going to have to worry about someones kid killing you. I'm not telling anyone what to do with their gun, just that there is a time and place for everything. A FAMILY campout isn't the place for a gun. Why do you need a gun at a FAMILY camp out for? Are you scared someone is a hi jack your tent? Are you scared a bear is going attack you?

I own a few guns myself and when traveling I carry with me. I keep a loaded gun in my house. So I don't hate guns. I'm a damn good shot too, give me a m16 and I'll drop a terrorist any range. I'm always within the top 5 high shooters when my unit goes to the range. I was also a range coach at our last range.

nickcuban

10-09-2006, 02:01 PM

if i have gear oil coming out my rim, which seal do i need? the "inner rear wheel seal" or the " outer" i put it in quotes because autozone has both.

just thought id try to hi-jack my own thread

usmcracing

10-09-2006, 02:04 PM

Go to advance, I always get the wrong parts when I go to autozone.

nickcuban

10-09-2006, 02:23 PM

alright ill try that... also how much oil can be lost with it still being somewhat safe. i dont think too much is gone and im trying to drive slow if at all. i bought oil but my stupid brother took all teh tools so nothing works. and im gonna be busy until at least tomorrow night to get anythign done.

is teh best advice just dont drive until i change the seal/add fluid?

also what size ocket is the bolt on the rear diff. i have a few sizes too small and a few sizes too big.

usmcracing

10-09-2006, 02:51 PM

I don't think you've lost much gear oil and will be fine driving it till tomorrow. I bolt is a 24mm. The seals are very easy to change.

I was wrong there are inner and outter seals. Here is a good write up on changing them out.

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/rear_axle/wheel_bearing/

Toxic

10-09-2006, 04:48 PM

bosco

10-09-2006, 05:40 PM

changing the outer seal in no prob...Put the rear axle on stands...Take off your wheel...Take off brake line...Unbolt axle shaft form axle...should be 4 bolts....pull axle out...pull out old seal..put in new one...put back together bleed brakes

You are talking about the Inner seal not the outer, The one right at the opening of the housing is the inner. The outer seal is a PITA!!!!!! Unless you have a good press getting to the outer seal sucks!!!

Its definately your inner seal. VERY easy to do. Takes like less than 30min once you figure it out.

Toxic

10-09-2006, 06:11 PM

You are talking about the Inner seal not the outer, The one right at the opening of the housing is the inner. The outer seal is a PITA!!!!!! Unless you have a good press getting to the outer seal sucks!!!

Its definately your inner seal. VERY easy to do. Takes like less than 30min once you figure it out.

ok what ever..inner :D I had to do both on both sides plus bearings and yes the "outer" seal is a pain...didnt need a press but rather $125 bucks and got both of them fixed

Red2003

10-09-2006, 07:04 PM

All of you all are missing the point. Having a Concealed weapons permit means just what it says CONCEALED!!! If I were to bring my gun on the Takeover and it would be my right if I did, I had better not let anyone know or display this weapon in anyway at all unless I'm defending myself in a life or death situation. Other wise I risk being arrested for unlawful display of a firearm.And most likely lose my right to have a CCW. Even showing it to one person while others maybe around could be seen as unlawful display of a weapon. People read the laws they send you with your permit(you swear to it you did when you apply) and don't let this right go to your head.
Edit: Sorry Neil I missed your post but you understand what I mean:o

Red2003

10-09-2006, 07:31 PM

If I see any one of you with a gun out in the open around me, my daughter, or my wife I'm going to punch you in the fawking face.
I really think your smarter than resorting to assaulting someone :eek: (especially someone holding a gun) when you just need to report it to the Rangers and let them handle it.:)

ben76

10-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Since we are back on the gun subject. lol I agree with what Red2003 said. Those that are responsable won't be a problem, and you should not even know that they have a gun with them. I personaly wouldn't bring my gun because it is a new law, and though the LEO's are suppose to know it, they may not. I hate to bring up a bad subject, but look what happened to Tim at citrus. We all know that that ticket was total BS, but he still got it. I would hate to end up losing my permit or jail because someone else does not know the law.

Neil426

10-09-2006, 08:23 PM

Alright guys, I've closed the thread.
I don't want to "see" a single firearm at the campout.
If you bring them, either no one sees them or I decide if I need to have the talk with you.
Nuff said.

Neil
The Evil Dictator