long travel rear setups

[sjvicker]

I'm looking at going cookie cutter and copying someone elses setup. I figure its an easy way to get a tried and tested long travel rear setup without wasting money and buying things I dont need.

reg cab, extended cab or double cab?
What Springs?
What arch on the springs?
shackle length?
above, through or below on the shackle?
what shocks?
how much weight to you usually have in the back of the truck?
what's your travel numbers?

If I can find someone with a setup I can duplicate then I'll probably be asking for dimensions of your bedcage

-Spencer

[lasquintanas]

Check Derek's thread on the same discussion...

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46095

- xtra cab
- 10.5" arch
- 9" shackles
- thru frame
- 16" King Smoothies
- carries 2 33" spares
- 17" of clean travel

Click on sig for more pics

[Trunks Only]

Take a look at TLT's website also, even if you decide not to cookie cut it, it'll point you in the right direction

xtra cab
58.5" National 11 pack
10" shackles over the frame
2 16" SAW piggybacks
carry 1 33" spare
cycles 16.5" clean (what do you want, its my first attempt)

[Tweeter]

Xtra cab
62" deavers
9" shackles through frame
18" Kings
2 33" spares
18.5" travel

[YoTRacer158]

Xtra cab
62" deavers
9" shackles through frame
18" Kings
2 33" spares
18.5" travel

Since when? Was it all on the last time I saw your truck? What arch did you go with and how level does it sit?

[Tweeter]

It's not on yet but that's my plan for the very near future :D I just need to build a bedcage now...

[YoTRacer158]

You and me both...I'm still working on funds for the bypasses. I have a feeling my truck is going to be down for a while while the cage is built. I need to get a damn bender so I can get started on the cab

[sjvicker]

How do you all think this setup would work?

62 deavers
9 inch shackle
14 inch travel Bilstein 7100's

It seems that 16 inch shocks are mostly used, would the 14's work well? Even if I had to put limit straps on it.

[YoTRacer158]

The springs can cycle 18-20" of travel...why would you only run 14" shocks and not use them to their potential? It would be a good compliment to running standard or extended coilovers up front, but not enough travel to match a longtravel front end.

If you only want 14" of travel, just get the deaver stock replacement leaves and follow TLT's guide on how to get 14" of travel with staying under the bed. You wont even need to worry about a bedcage and you'll save a lot of money over buying the 62's.

[BLOWNYOTA]

Xtra cab
62" deavers
9" Shackle
10" Sway-A-Ways
07' CRF250 (Who needs spares when you can pop wheelies)
16" travel
No Bedcage.

[elenex50]

can i get the link to TLT's page where he talkes about pulling 14 inches under bed...thanx

[sjvicker]

researching further I knoticed that fox and sway-a-way make a 16 inch shock that seem like they would work and not cost too much money. Although I dont know the best places to buy them. I would like to keep the cost of the shocks under $500 if possible.

I'm looking at getting either the Fox 2.0x5/8 16 inch remote resivor which I can't find on any dealer websites or the Sway-A-Way 16 inch remote resivor shock (I believe the cheapest ones are the 2.25's).

-Spencer

[Factor]

Buy a radflo =p

[cabbage]

I'm looking at getting either the Fox 2.0x5/8 16 inch remote resivor which I can't find on any dealer websites or the Sway-A-Way 16 inch remote resivor shock (I believe the cheapest ones are the 2.25's).

-Spencer

I would spend a little more and go with the 2.5 shocks if I was going to do it again. The 2.5 shocks have much more volume and wont heat up and fade out that fast.

My Fox 2.0's heat up with just 5 minutes of hard mobbin! Another 5 minutes and the reservoirs are too hot to touch. (Im saving up for Bypass)

[YoTRacer158]

can i get the link to TLT's page where he talkes about pulling 14 inches under bed...thanx

sure, since searching is oh so difficult http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6189

[YoTRacer158]

Xtra cab
62" deavers
9" Shackle
10" Sway-A-Ways
07' CRF250 (Who needs spares when you can pop wheelies)
16" travel
No Bedcage.

Where are you running your shackle? Through the frame? or Under? I'm picking my shit up tomorrow and I need to figure out where to run mine to level it out as best as possible.

[CanyonRacerX]

I'm confused, TC told me that if you are going to run below the frame run a 9" shackle or 12" if you're going to run it above the frame. I asked what about through frame and she told me I could get a custom made 10" or 11", I told her alot of people are running the 9" through the frame and she said I wouldn't have enough lift and would lose out on some travel.

[Factor]

I got 9'' through the frame and pull 16-17'' w/ 16'' shocks. Oh and I got 4'' of lift.

[CanyonRacerX]

Okay, I just called Deaver to get their opinion and they said the same thing that the 9" shackle seems short to run through the frame. They said to run 9" if you're mounting it below the frame or 12" above the frame which would put through the frame at 10-11". Why are you guys running 9" through the frame, what's the reasoning?

[YoTRacer158]

I think a 9" below the frame would sit to high in the rear...whereas through the frame sits about level. I guess it all depends on how far back you mount the shackle though. You wont have a problem pulling 16-18" or travel, which is what you should limit it at anyways to keep from wearing out your springs too fast.

[JESSE_at_TLT]

Deaver 62's with 12" long shackles mounted on TOP of the framerails 14.25-14.5" forward from the back edge of the frame. The front spring hangers should be relocated so they're exactly 52.5" to the center of the shackle hangers, measuring in a straight line from the center of the spring hanger to the center of the shackle hanger.Read this (http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=543458&postcount=17) if you're trying to decide what length shocks to run and try to design and build your bedcage around your upper shock mounts, wherever those need to be. That should get you started. Good luck.

[YoTRacer158]

The front spring hangers should be relocated so they're exactly 52.5" to the center of the shackle hangers, measuring in a straight line from the center of the spring hanger to the center of the shackle hanger.

Does that go for all arches and shackle lengths?

[Baja Belk]

X-Cab
62" Deavers
10.5" Arch
9" TC Shackle
Above frame
16" 2.5 King Triple bypass (mounted outside of framerail)
King Bumpstops
Tundra axle
100lb-ish Toolbox up against cab, 1 spare tire, 1 aluminum jack, CO2 bottle
About 16.5" inches of travel (almost equal bump and droop)

I realize I'm probably the only person running short shackles like the 9" above the frame. While extremely talented and experienced, the fab guy that did my truck likes to do things differently, so my springs are moved back a bit and the shackle's above the frame, but it actually works REALLY well. Especially with the bump stops and the shocks outside of frame (though I am limited to a 10.5" diameter tire, as there is slight rubbing on the bypass tubes already as it is.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/mbelk/pa280004.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/mbelk/DSC00551.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/mbelk/PA280019.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/mbelk/PA280014.jpg

[JESSE_at_TLT]

Does that go for all arches and shackle lengths?
All of Deaver's 62" spring-packs have the same dimensions from the main spring eye to the center-pin when you measure along the arc, but the distance from the main spring eye to the shackle hanger will need to be changed depending on length shackle length. The shackle length and the distance from the main spring eye to the shackle hanger must be a bigger number than the length of your springs (62's are actually 61.5" long), so if you change one dimension, you'll need to change the other. I just suggested 52.5" and 12" shackles because I recently rebuilt the rear suspension on our Tacoma, moving the shackle hangers further forward and switching from 10" to 12" shackles. It cycles about 3 to 4 more inches of wheel travel.

[Tweeter]

What about a 9" through the frame? Pretty sure I'll be running the same set-up as Yotracer..

[JESSE_at_TLT]

A 12" shackle mounted on top of the frame like I'm talking about won't lift your truck any more than a 9" shackle through the frame. There's just enough room to fit the shackle hangers under the stock bed if that's a concern and the 12" shackles will allow you to cycle more wheel travel. Why run 9" shackles? I don't get it.

[jerky]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/mbelk/pa280004.jpg



goddamn your truck kicks so much ass! :eek:

[YoTRacer158]

I know this has been discussed before but I couldnt find it anywhere...how far forward does the front hanger need to be moved? Stock was 24" from eyelet to center and the 62's were 27-3/4"...so moving it forward 3-3/4" seems logical, but I could have sworn people were moving them more than that.

Running 12.5" arch with 12" shackles...just trying to figure out where everything needs to go to sit level. Also, how many inches did your deavers end up sagging over time? I don't want to level it out now and have the ass end way low once they settle.

[JESSE_at_TLT]

I've posted this info a bunch of times, but I couldn't remember the numbers off the top of my head so I went out and took some measurements for you.

Start by positioning the shackle hanger on top of the framerails, 14.5" forward from the back edge of the frame. Then position the shackle hanger about 52.25" forward from the shackle hanger (in a direct line, center-to-center).

Try searching here and on DR by my user name for the numbers I posted from my blueprints because they might be +-1/8" compared to the measurements I just took. If you can't find it and these numbers don't get you close enough, let me know and I'll dig up those blueprints.

Oh, and PLEASE cycle everything before mounting anything permanentyl using these numbers.

[AllJumpStyle]

I know this has been discussed before but I couldnt find it anywhere...how far forward does the front hanger need to be moved? Stock was 24" from eyelet to center and the 62's were 27-3/4"...so moving it forward 3-3/4" seems logical, but I could have sworn people were moving them more than that.

Running 12.5" arch with 12" shackles...just trying to figure out where everything needs to go to sit level. Also, how many inches did your deavers end up sagging over time? I don't want to level it out now and have the ass end way low once they settle.

I moved mine more I think, but my stock leafsprings were shorter than tacoma leafsprings. As for the shackle angle, I've heard that it's best to run it as horizontal as you can without hitting the frame at bump. You've seen Drew's truck, he's running f67's now and had to crank the c/o's a bit to keep it level.

[YoTRacer158]

Yeah I found everything al little while after I posted but it doesnt seem right...we'll definately tack everything in until we cycle it. We're just about finished boxing the frame and we'll get started on the suspension swap shortly.

Another question...I have the spring plates that go under the springs, but is there supposed to be something else that goes between the axle and the spring?

[Tweeter]

Are you still at Pauls?

Yeah there should be a little plate VERY similar but a little longer than the one on TOP of the axle. Make sense? I just went outside and looked :D

[YoTRacer158]

Yeah i noticed it on your truck and that's why I asked...I definately dont have any of those. Guess we'll have to make some.

Yep we're still over here, bring some beer if you cruise back over!

[Tweeter]

Yeah i noticed it on your truck and that's why I asked...I definately dont have any of those. Guess we'll have to make some.

Yep we're still over here, bring some beer if you cruise back over!

Yeah I didn't see any when I was checking out your pile 'o stuff.

I'll let you know if I do, most likely not since I still have 5 finals to cram for plus get my mom a gift for tomorrow! :eek:

[YoTRacer158]

So 52.25" from shackle to hanger...is that on a level plane or a direct line from the eye of the shackle to the eye of the hanger? Couldnt really determine which by the way you worded it.