offroad shocks. Which is better.

[ryguy]

Well I have Dhoes upfront, but not 100% sold. I have bought them extended Dhoes, but just wondering if King shocks are better? Looks to me they are longer to start off with. I have an 05 tacoma and want to run stock class, what do you guys think? BTW, I need to clear 315 70 r17 and dont want to do the fabtech lift that has the drop. Any help would be great! AND LT IS NOT AN OPTION.

[NorCalTRD]

you may have to do a lot of triming around the wheel wells, or get some new fenders to clear 35s. i like the valving that donahoe has for the 98-2004 tacomas. i think the shocks work great and wouldnt trade them for anything.

[ryguy]

I have the 05 though.. I have done lots of trimming and even notched my frame. The problem is more the ride. I dont have them turned up very much and the ride is choppy on and offroad. Have the Sway bar out btw.

[NorCalTRD]

what do you mean by choppy?

[ryguy]

bumps on just normal freeway is hard. Going in the dezert is harsh on just normal easy roads. I just feel everything. I even took 2 turns out of my suspension and it didnt soften things up. So I dont know. They were just rebuilt as wel not more than 2 weeks ago.

[NorCalTRD]

to have the off road racing capabilities that you are looking for, the on road preformance is going to be stiffer than stock. my roommate has the stock shocks and springs, and his truck is very smooth on the road. at the same time he cant do 1/4 of the things that i can do off-road. its not going to be like walking on air, but it is going to a heck of a lot better than stock.

[ryguy]

ya so where now? I have been in other trucks that have the King setup and both on road and offroad performance is great. Again my performance off and on road suck. Cant figure it out. Was thinking of going to spacer for coilover and taking alot of preload out. Would this be bad?

[marnes2986]

ya so where now? I have been in other trucks that have the King setup and both on road and offroad performance is great. Again my performance off and on road suck. Cant figure it out. Was thinking of going to spacer for coilover and taking alot of preload out. Would this be bad?

NOOO, no spacer :)

Take it to Donahoe in Anaheim (well i heard they moved to Corona), ask them about their stock mini they had that won the Baja1000. If your planning on racing stock you should talk to Dhoe about it, theyll defintely give you ideas ;)

[NorCalTRD]

if you can you dont want to mix coil-overs and spacers. if you think that something else out there rides better go with that. only you know what you are looking for, and only you will be able to decide if the ride is worth the price. thats the best i have for now. hope that helps.

[ryguy]

well what about the fabtech or procomp bracket lowering kit? Keep everything the same just get that cross member and stuff??

[NorCalTRD]

are you looking to do off-road racing? because if you are your best option is long travel.

[ryguy]

cant do LT on stock class.. Not permitted.

[NorCalTRD]

ok then. one of my best friends has the camburg long travel oh his truck, and both my roommates think that my truck is better over the same terrain. you would have to get into custom valving if you want to get a smoother ride.

[miguelitro]

why not work with Dhoe on the valving...if you are serious about racing with their product on your truck i'm sure they will give you even better service than they are known for.

No diff drop, for off road racing, i mean seriously are you serious about this do you really know what you are getting into? That question makes me wonder.

good luck
Mike

[ryguy]

actually I was wondering if Kings are better for offroad racing etc than Dhoes.. I dunno. Dont know where to go..

[Baja Belk]

[QUOTE=ryguy]I have ... even notched my frame. QUOTE]

That disqualifies you for stock class right there. Not that it would even be a good idea. I understand how watching Dust to Glory makes everyone want to turn their daily driver into a Baja 1000 race truck, but there's a whole lot more to think about than most people realize.

I assume this is your daily driver, do you really want to have the truck down for a few months at least while a cage and fuel cell are installed? Do you want to be driving around all day in a truck with window nets, bucket seats, 5 point harnesses, and the uber-annoying bypass click echoing through the cab? Do you plan on driving it home after destroying the truck during the race? Do you have the money for prerunning, hotels, food, gas, chase crew, spare tires, spare parts? What happens if you wad it up? What are you gonna drive then??

These are only a few of the things you need to think about before you seriously get into racing. Not trying to be a dick at all, I just like to make sure people know what they're getting into. With a big budget, or even a mediocre one, it can be done, but I definitely wouldn't do it with a nice new '05. (You might even have to enter it in stock full)

[06HAOLE]

why not work with Dhoe on the valving...if you are serious about racing with their product on your truck i'm sure they will give you even better service than they are known for.

No diff drop, for off road racing, i mean seriously are you serious about this do you really know what you are getting into? That question makes me wonder.

good luck
Mike
Im with Miguelitro why not call Donahoe and see what they have to say. Those guys didnt get to the top by inexperience. I still re-read that 4Wheel and Offroad issue that featured them racing in Baja in their stock mini. Thats what got me stoked years ago.

[ryguy]

[QUOTE=ryguy]I have ... even notched my frame. QUOTE]

That disqualifies you for stock class right there. Not that it would even be a good idea. I understand how watching Dust to Glory makes everyone want to turn their daily driver into a Baja 1000 race truck, but there's a whole lot more to think about than most people realize.

I assume this is your daily driver, do you really want to have the truck down for a few months at least while a cage and fuel cell are installed? Do you want to be driving around all day in a truck with window nets, bucket seats, 5 point harnesses, and the uber-annoying bypass click echoing through the cab? Do you plan on driving it home after destroying the truck during the race? Do you have the money for prerunning, hotels, food, gas, chase crew, spare tires, spare parts? What happens if you wad it up? What are you gonna drive then??

These are only a few of the things you need to think about before you seriously get into racing. Not trying to be a dick at all, I just like to make sure people know what they're getting into. With a big budget, or even a mediocre one, it can be done, but I definitely wouldn't do it with a nice new '05. (You might even have to enter it in stock full)
thanks for the advise.. Actually I was planning on doing the stock full class. Its actually gonna be a good thing. In stock full class all trucks are about 2500lbs heavier etc.. I have somewhat of the budget, but more concern is making sure that everything is cool on my truck.. So that is what Im trying to find!!

[yota4lyfe]

cant do LT on stock class.. Not permitted.You will never race that thing. Have you even been to Barstow/Dez? :confused:

[06HAOLE]

Im in Vegas. Where in Barstow do you go? I would like to check that out sometime.

[ryguy]

Did more in death valley and anza berrego.. Again I dont know, this is all speculation. I do want to play in the dez, like you yota ;)

[BRUUUP]

Barstow is my 2nd favorite place to ride next to Glamis. So I guess its my favorite dirt area to ride.

Barstow is great if you have spent the money and time on dialing in your truck and learning the terrain. That course is harry even on a bike, let alone a semi built truck.

It’s the unofficial half way stop to Vegas from Orange County on the 15, best damn Dell Taco ever.


Oh yeah and not to forget /X.


As of where right off of Outlet Center Dr.

[TacomaNova]

ok then. one of my best friends has the camburg long travel oh his truck, and both my roommates think that my truck is better over the same terrain. you would have to get into custom valving if you want to get a smoother ride.
bullshit

[ryguy]

Barstow is my 2nd favorite place to ride next to Glamis. So I guess its my favorite dirt area to ride.

Barstow is great if you have spent the money and time on dialing in your truck and learning the terrain. That course is harry even on a bike, let alone a semi built truck.

It’s the unofficial half way stop to Vegas from Orange County on the 15, best damn Dell Taco ever.


Oh yeah and not to forget /X.


As of where right off of Outlet Center Dr.

I love that del taco! YELLOW WRAPPING TACOS! Ok I need to go out there and ride!!

[CWest]

bullshit

x2 Chanez has ya beat! Then me... then you.. :rolleyes:

[NorCalTRD]

bullshit

i am just tellin ya what they said. sorry.

[PathBlazerTRD]

i am just tellin ya what they said. sorry.

i don't know if i wanna get in the middle of this, but i did say that. i think the hoes are (albeit they are both great setups) smoother than the burg.

[PathBlazerTRD]

of course the burg LT has greater travel, but strictly in terms of smoothness of ride, hoes win

[CWest]

Spacers Bitches ;)

[PathBlazerTRD]

yeah for spacers :) :) :)



actually spacers suck for ride quality but i (along with a lot of others) can't afford hoes

[CWest]

yeah for spacers :) :) :)



actually spacers suck for ride quality but i (along with a lot of others) can't afford hoes


just urs... ;)

[PathBlazerTRD]

temporary bitch temporary spacers....haha told ya i'd finally get IM ;)

[PathBlazerTRD]

oh ya, git ur ass down here :D two days until what i'm calling the best weekend ever

alright i'll stop uping my post count :)

[ryguy]

haha you guys need to read the first post.. LOL I have hoes up front. Thinking of going to LT, but I dont think Hoes have long shocks.. So thinking of going the King shock route.. NO BURGS at all. Maybe just for LT kit. Let me know what you guys think on shocks.. With LT and without LT. I want the BEST ride ON and OFF road. What do you think?

[Baja Belk]

LT - King or Fox

Non LT - King or Hoes

End of story goodnight

[BRUUUP]

If you are saying that DR COs ride better than the Burglers COs then yeah in a direct replacement since. If you think that DRs COs are a better ride than the Burglers LT you smoke way to much oregano. The differences in kits has been gone over, 1st gen bad setup with the bumps 2nd gen much better. I am in no way a Burgler Cronie so i'm not being bias

:xbeer2: :xozzy: DRAGON FORCE!

[PathBlazerTRD]

i don't disagree that an LT kit will outperform a basic CO replacement in terms of performance and overall longevity and strength of the suspension setup. however, after riding in (sadly never driving) both setups on several occasions, one right after the other, i've gotta say the hoes feel smoother. but you're right, this has been gone over many times (i love the thread comparing hoes vs. camburg=lots of info and respectful opinions)

[ryguy]

again.. Not comparing Hoes vs Camburgs..

[BRUUUP]

So what you want to know is if KINGs are better than DRs?

Well take what you have and get them valved right and it well make a world of difference and cost less than buying KINGs.

Here http://prgproducts.com/ hit up Greg G. the shock Satan, very cool guy and damn good with shocks.

[Baja Belk]

i don't disagree that an LT kit will outperform a basic CO replacement in terms of performance and overall longevity and strength of the suspension setup. however, after riding in (sadly never driving) both setups on several occasions, one right after the other, i've gotta say the hoes feel smoother. but you're right, this has been gone over many times (i love the thread comparing hoes vs. camburg=lots of info and respectful opinions)

You either rode in a poorly valved LT truck or you were on small terrain (maybe washboard). A good direct replacement C/O will ride better on the street and over washboard and about the same over very small whoops/holes. Take that same comparison to 3 - 4 ft whoops and you won't be saying the Hoes ride better. For LT, the rougher it is the relatively better the ride.

[PathBlazerTRD]

yeah that's exactly what we were doing down a riverbed; no 3-4 ft whoops. i know i wouldn't be picking CO's over LT on the big whoopdies

[Ted]

Well I have Dhoes upfront, but not 100% sold. I have bought them extended Dhoes, but just wondering if King shocks are better? Looks to me they are longer to start off with. I have an 05 tacoma and want to run stock class, what do you guys think? BTW, I need to clear 315 70 r17 and dont want to do the fabtech lift that has the drop. Any help would be great! AND LT IS NOT AN OPTION.


I think Spacers are the best option in your case.

[xmikedentx]

of course the burg LT has greater travel, but strictly in terms of smoothness of ride, hoes win


I had the hoe's on my old 03 4x4 taco, and they drove very well in the dirt and street. I now have the gen 2 kit on my 94. the LT rides smoother than my old donahoes on the street, and on a never ending whoop section, I still have all my teeth left.

Racing with stock replacmet c/o's I would go with donahoe. I belive they have a deal for an oil cooler. At least thats what I thought I saw on their truck, maybe it was the line for a remote res...

[Half Baked Taco]

I think Spacers are the best option in your case.

LMAO!

So, is that truck ready for the stock full class at the 500 yet? Sorry, I just couldn't resist.....

[JoeTaco]

i (along with a lot of others) can't afford hoes

hoes are cheap man. go to vegas, they're standin on every corner, i'm sure you could afford the uglier ones. they do the job :p

[Ted]

LMAO!

So, is that truck ready for the stock full class at the 500 yet? Sorry, I just couldn't resist.....


If someone has to ask about shocks, do you think they know what it takes to run in a race :)

[xmikedentx]

the question should be how to run bypasess and a stock replacement c/o. and still be stock class legal. 1 c/o will fade so bad before the halfway point in the 250, let alone any race longer than that.....

[miguelitro]

if they have enough money they might get off the start line in ensenada...from there its all luck:D

[Half Baked Taco]

If someone has to ask about shocks, do you think they know what it takes to run in a race :)

hahah..Maybe, you should take him on your wild cross country wheeling trips so he'll get used to the truck first. Then, he can start to think about racing....or either give up because you and RJ showed him how to really use a truck :D