Another leaf swap blah blah blah

[AZrockbum]

I had grand dreams of having a shop do a three link for me but then woke up and realized I owed a shit load in taxes this year. I had already re-geared the tail and had most of the parts i needed to do a leaf swap so I gave in and started cutting. HUGE thanks to wheelerjake for coming down for a couple of days and helping out with the cutting/grinding/welding. I should have her sitting on tires by this weekend and hopefully ready for kiddie trails at azrocks.

The blah blah stuff....
FROR kit minus the drop bracket to keep it low.
Marlin 4" springs, 14" bils 5125, used from taco1
35" maxxis bighorns on crager soft 8's

And the fun stuff....
Before pic on 35's She measured in at 20 3/4" to the ground from the front body mount, 21 3/4" in the rear
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture017.jpg
Jake welding
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture005.jpg
Front hangers on
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture015.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture016.jpg

[Heatstroke]

Super WEEEE. Good luck on getting it ready for the kiddie trails by AzRocks. I'll be running some kiddie trails in mine too. Firday I'm supposed to lead a group on an easy run. Saturday should be stepping it up a little.

[FAUX X 4]

Wow................I don't think that there are going to be too many IFS trucks left soon!! :eek:


....Looking good so far! :kewl:

[grumpy]

Wow................I don't think that there are going to be too many IFS trucks left soon!! :eek:


....Looking good so far! :kewl:

Timmay and Tom in tucson. oh and Nates new truck :D

[4xClover]

Timmay and Tom in tucson. oh and Nates new truck :D

It'll happen eventually..........for all you know I'm already collecting parts! ;)

[TBob]

want hear here the most impressive thing - they had no plasma cutter or tourch! all cut off with sawsall and angle grinder. :eek:

[Tacota]

looks awesome so far, keep up the good work.
love the black on black.

[Heatstroke]

want hear here the most impressive thing - they had no plasma cutter or tourch! all cut off with sawsall and angle grinder. :eek:


Sawsall is how quite a few have been done. If done right, the saws all leaves less to clean up. They are not as fancy as a plasma, but a sawsall and grinder goes a long ways.

[TBob]

sounds like a ton more work to me.

Sawsall is how quite a few have been done. If done right, the saws all leaves less to clean up. They are not as fancy as a plasma, but a sawsall and grinder goes a long ways.

[wheelerjake]

Sawsall is how quite a few have been done. If done right, the saws all leaves less to clean up. They are not as fancy as a plasma, but a sawsall and grinder goes a long ways.
a real sawsall would have worked a lot better all we had was a shitty ryobe battery powerd one

[Heatstroke]

a real sawsall would have worked a lot better all we had was a shitty ryobe battery powerd one


Yeah, that would be more of a challenge. Need more juice. Looks like you guys did a nice job cleaning junk up. Now get the rest done so us newb SAS drivers can all play on the kiddie trails together.

[Kaistie]

Timmay and Tom in tucson. oh and Nates new truck :D


And its going to stay that way if my wife has anything to say about it :wife:

[grumpy]

And its going to stay that way if my wife has anything to say about it :wife:

seeing how she has the power in your family. then its settled-your new junk
will be sac-less :p

[AZRockToy]

Looks good!! I too will hopefully have my junk done for the kiddie trails....

[AZrockbum]

This is going to be hilarious...craploads of sac'd trucks running the kiddie trails...

[Kaistie]

seeing how she has the power in your family. then its settled-your new junk
will be sac-less :p


No, not really. I am just smart enough to know what I can get away with and what I can't. Its kinda like playing with :flamethro , you will at some point be burned.

[grumpy]

No, not really. I am just smart enough to know what I can get away with and what I can't. Its kinda like playing with :flamethro , you will at some point be burned.


was just giving you shit :D

she is happy as long as you believe that!! ;)

[grumpy]

This is going to be hilarious...craploads of sac'd trucks running the kiddie trails...


:lmao: the sac'ed trucks break and the IFS have no problems :missingto

[Kaistie]

She is happy as long as I am getting some. The moment she is :xcrybaby: I hit the internet :boobies: :jack: :D

[grumpy]

She is happy as long as I am getting some. The moment she is :xcrybaby: I hit the internet :boobies: :jack: :D


TMI

[FAUX X 4]

TMI

x2!

[grumpy]

x2!

I wonder if his monitors get stuck together :eek:

[Kaistie]

Oh hell, you know the deal. I know you ain't gettin any. I only have one monitor anyway. You telling me you can't get enough that you have several monitors going at once. Damn, you must be poppin those little blue pills like mad :D

[grumpy]

only 'cause Kays been sick. only blue pills I'm taking is Chantix.

[AZrockbum]

Got the axle hanging. Adjusted for the body angle its sitting at 48*. This the second attempt so im thinking about leaving at this. The springs are used on a Tacoma already so they should not sag much. Here is the angle, do you all think its worth cutting off and moving a half inch forward? I want to keep it low anyway, in the photo its sitting at 25" on the front and its about 2 inches high to mount the tires. I would be really happy to come it at 23" to the front body mount.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture.jpg

[Captkirkyota]

Got the axle hanging. Adjusted for the body angle its sitting at 48*. This the second attempt so im thinking about leaving at this. The springs are used on a Tacoma already so they should not sag much. Here is the angle, do you all think its worth cutting off and moving a half inch forward? I want to keep it low anyway, in the photo its sitting at 25" on the front and its about 2 inches high to mount the tires. I would be really happy to come it at 23" to the front body mount.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture.jpg
I think it looks pretty good, but can't tell how much weight is on there. I was just discussing this recently and here is a good thing to go by, measure your front hanger bolt hole, center, to top bolt center hole of the shackle, then measure center shackle top hole to bottom center shackle bolt hole. Add the 3 together. Mine come out to 47.25". The top bolt to bolt is 42.25" and my shackle is 5" My leaf springs are 47 inches long exact, therefore when my leafs are totally flat, I will not be able for the shackle to hit the frame as the total length is longer than the leafs. So if your 3 measurements are longer than your leafs, your good to go. I have never had my shackle hit the frame and I've had my leafs go past flat and into the negative arch. If my total number were 46, then I would hit the frame or come REALLY REALLY REALLY close to hitting.

[Kaistie]

You castor looks like its going to be way off. You should only be at about 5 degrees + max. I don't know, maybe its just me, but it looks like its going to be off. You might benifit from turning the knuckles some to get the pinion up too. That would fix the castor issue and low pinion angle. I think guys are turning anywhere from 8 degrees to 15 degrees.

[AZrockbum]

I have not set the caster yet. its just bolted to the axle right now. Did not want to mount weld the perches until its set right.

[AZrockbum]

I think it looks pretty good, but can't tell how much weight is on there. I was just discussing this recently and here is a good thing to go by, measure your front hanger bolt hole, center, to top bolt center hole of the shackle, then measure center shackle top hole to bottom center shackle bolt hole. Add the 3 together. Mine come out to 47.25". The top bolt to bolt is 42.25" and my shackle is 5" My leaf springs are 47 inches long exact, therefore when my leafs are totally flat, I will not be able for the shackle to hit the frame as the total length is longer than the leafs. So if your 3 measurements are longer than your leafs, your good to go. I have never had my shackle hit the frame and I've had my leafs go past flat and into the negative arch. If my total number were 46, then I would hit the frame or come REALLY REALLY REALLY close to hitting.


Thats good to know. I measured it last night but i cant remeber the exact number. I think I was just over 42.

[Captkirkyota]

Thats good to know. I measured it last night but i cant remeber the exact number. I think I was just over 42.
42 plus the shackle bolts eye to eye is what you need to add up, those numbers should be longer than the leaf spring length, which is prolly 47 if you are using toy. spec'd leafs.
My Alcans and Marlins springs are 47. My measurements are 47.25
If I ever wanted to use Marlin 5 in lifts springs It would be a crap shoot for me, since his 5 in lifts leafs are 47.5 in long.

[Kaistie]

I have not set the caster yet. its just bolted to the axle right now. Did not want to mount weld the perches until its set right.


Oh, that is good. I was seeing a huge issue in your future. Looks good otherwise.

[AZrockbum]

I am planning on keeping the knukles stock rotation for now. I will hopefully be able to afford a crawl box in september after my bonus comes in and i recover from taxes. I will probably rotate them then and go to a cv driveshaft. until then im going to go with the cheap regular style 2 joint shaft.

[Tacota]

hey dude,
weather you rotate the knuckles now or later shouldnt matter, mine are not rotated, but trust me, spend the extra money for the CV style shaft now, I dont think you will like it otherwise. just my 2 cents. cant wait to see your updated pics though.
later.
R

[AZrockbum]

anyone who completes a swap in a weekend can lick my balls

[Kaistie]

Although the concern is for the driveshaft angle, it is as much a concern about the castor. If you do not plan on driving the truck on the highway, then its a non issue, but if you DD it then that is a different story. Drive it and see what happens. If you can live with it the way it is then great, less work in the long run. I went through all these issues with mine and it took a lot of time to figure it out. You may not have the same issues I had though, good luck.

[AZrockbum]

Its not a DD so if the driveshaft vibrates on the way to the trail i probably wont care much. The problems I am having right now are:
1. The axle is sitting a bit farther forward than I wanted. I think Im going to have to drill a new hole for the center pin. Does it look too far forward in the pics? The full weight of the truck is on the tires, there is no weight on the jack stands.
2. I was hoping to be able to pull a leaf out of my original leaf pack and add it to the deaver and get to go high enough so I need to go find a set of chebbies.
3. I realized I was not going to make it for AZROCKS and lost all motivation.

It looks like i get to be full time camaraman/spotter for AZROCKS. Anyone want a co-pilot to shoot pics/movies the whole time? I'll probably come up sat only.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture020.jpg

[WARTOY]

that actually looks good to me. i think the fact that you don't have the rear level yet might be throwing it off. you might have already mentioned this, but what kind of springs are you running on the front?? looks good though.
later
serg

[AZRockToy]

3. I realized I was not going to make it for AZROCKS and lost all motivation.


Thats not good man.... I am hopefully going to make it. I am working overtime on it. If I make it... you can ride with me.

[FAUX X 4]

Its not a DD so if the driveshaft vibrates on the way to the trail i probably wont care much. The problems I am having right now are:
1. The axle is sitting a bit farther forward than I wanted. I think Im going to have to drill a new hole for the center pin. Does it look too far forward in the pics? The full weight of the truck is on the tires, there is no weight on the jack stands.
2. I was hoping to be able to pull a leaf out of my original leaf pack and add it to the deaver and get to go high enough so I need to go find a set of chebbies.
3. I realized I was not going to make it for AZROCKS and lost all motivation.

It looks like i get to be full time camaraman/spotter for AZROCKS. Anyone want a co-pilot to shoot pics/movies the whole time? I'll probably come up sat only.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture020.jpg

Axle position looks good to me in the pic's...........the front should settle a bit after you get the rear lifted and you get some time on the springs.

[AZrockbum]

Thats not good man.... I am hopefully going to make it. I am working overtime on it. If I make it... you can ride with me.

I might take you up on the offer. Looks like the only driving im going to be doing is wheeling my Focus to the campsite :D

[AZrockbum]

Well I am finally motivated again. Im finishing off the steering box setup tonight and I should be able to have the steering setup by monday so I can flip it around and put on the chevys. I'll throw up some photos tonight once i get the box completely mounted.

One question I cant find an answer to. Which is the in and which is the out port on the toyota steering box?

[FAUX X 4]

Better get it done soon............I don't think it'll fit in a u-haul with the rest of your stuff!! ;)

[WARTOY]

Well I am finally motivated again. Im finishing off the steering box setup tonight and I should be able to have the steering setup by monday so I can flip it around and put on the chevys. I'll throw up some photos tonight once i get the box completely mounted.

One question I cant find an answer to. Which is the in and which is the out port on the toyota steering box?

what kind of steering box are you using? because i believe the hole closest to the back of the steering box is the in, and the other is the out. but don't quote me on that. :p

[AZrockbum]

what kind of steering box are you using? because i believe the hole closest to the back of the steering box is the in, and the other is the out. but don't quote me on that. :p

Its a toyota ifs box out of a 93 truck.

[Mark in Az]

Just like WARTOY said back of the truck is low pressure, front is high

[AZrockbum]

Just like WARTOY said back of the truck is low pressure, front is high

If the high pressure line is the in line than thats backwards from what wartoy said. Now im confused. :confused: Although you sounded more confident in your answer so im going with what you said for now.

Edit: i was think im backwards on the definition of front and back. IF im reading this right the hole closest to the splined input shaft is the low pressure and the one towards the front is the high?

[Mark in Az]

Sorry, I think about them as high & low pressure because mixing them up makes one hell of a mess. In this pic of Mike Ross' truck you can see the low pressure hose on the rear, near the splined input shaft like you said.


http://www.toy4x4.net/sas/PIC00607.jpg

[AZrockbum]

Thats perfect thanks!!! I could not find a pic were i could see the lines hooked up.

[AZrockbum]

Finally some progress. I moved the axle back on the perch one inch to clear the steering better. I like the location better. I had my buddy down in yuma make some high steer arms for me. Free access to a cnc mill rules. Final assembly on the front end begins sat morning.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture036.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture027.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture030.jpg

[FAUX X 4]

Those are some nice looking arms!

..........when's the shakedown run???

[Heatstroke]

Those are some nice looking arms!

..........when's the shakedown run???

X 2

[AZrockbum]

Its taking a bit longer than I wanted but its getting close. Im going to cut out the final frame rail braces and get them on tomorrow night, if im feeling ambitious I might try to put the shocks on. The steering shaft/setup was a bitch and took all day. As is its putting a little bit of pressure on one of the hard line coils. The coil appears to be part of the ABS lines so that will go away eventually. Also the steering arms are not quite tall enough. The clear at full turn with weight on the axle by about 1/8" so when flexing there is no way it will turn. Going to order some 1/2" spacers and longer studs tomorrow.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture002.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture003.jpg

[AZrockbum]

Got the shock towers on but im pretty much out of welding gas. I'm not sure if im going to be able to get out of work in time to pick up more this week. I need to get the braces on the shock towers followed by the Panhard and chevys. Im going to be in phx this weekend unfortunately no work will be done.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture005-1.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Swap/Picture006.jpg

[Heatstroke]

Looks good. It may be slow, but at least it's progress. Keep it moving.

[BOVADS]

LOOKS GOOD i sas'd my runner and now im thinking about sas'ing my taco too. i did my runner in one weekend, well fri night to driving it sunday night, no plasma!! but had whole axel assembly done and springs bolted to it before i even started
just curious why you didnt go thru frame on rear shackle mount? is there any advantage to going on bottom of frame?

[AZrockbum]

LOOKS GOOD i sas'd my runner and now im thinking about sas'ing my taco too. i did my runner in one weekend, well fri night to driving it sunday night, no plasma!! but had whole axel assembly done and springs bolted to it before i even started
just curious why you didnt go thru frame on rear shackle mount? is there any advantage to going on bottom of frame?

Its an enormous pain in the ass? The angles on the frame where the shackles mount are pretty funky. The rear brackets are gusseted on the inside of the frame rail. Much easier setup. when all is said and done I will be sitting at around 24" to the frame.

[AZrockbum]

Got it flexed out a little bit at jakes place. Still have to put the panhard on and the chevys. Right now it still has the deavers with the OME rear shocks.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/flex015.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/flex010.jpg

[AZrockbum]

Minus bumpstops. Its been returned to its state as 4x4 truck, no more pre-runner. It drives awesome, no death wobble with the 35's, even without a steering stabilizer.

Final pieces:
14" rear shocks. I went with a different approach than most. The new xmember is a piece of 4"x1" channel that came out of a scrap pile, it was from a trailer frame. There are plates welded to the outside of the frame to reinforce it. The mounting points are 2 x .120 wall square tube drilled and one side cut out. When the chebbies are flat the shocks have about 1.5" of up-travel left in them.


http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/shox003.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/shox007.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/shox015.jpg

We put in the FROR xmember and driveshaft on sat afternoon. we went to the closest flex spot we could find. not spectacular but it was close. I did put the whole truck sideways on that hill, off camber actually felt more stable than it did before the swap. that was a weird feeling.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture013.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture012.jpg

And a few driveway tire ramp shots

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture019.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture018.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/Picture023.jpg

I will post up a shakedown run for next weekend shortly.

[TQM3 (Last IFS in AZ)]

Timmay and Tom in tucson. oh and Nates new truck :D

Yes there are still a couple of us left.....:welder:

[Guti907]

Yes there are still a couple of us left.....:welder:


Yes there are.........unfortunatley :(

[azredtaco]

Yes there are still a couple of us left.....:welder:
He does still exist :D haven't heard from you in a while

[AZrockbum]

The last major bug. You can see where the xmember has been slapping the filter. It was a pain in the ass to figure out what was going on cause it only happened at higher speeds or occasionally when accelerating. As soon as you take your foot off the gas it went away no matter what the speed. The fuel filter bracket does not bend easily so I think im going to have to cut the xmember bracket off and lower it.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/azrockbum/me005.jpg

[Kaistie]

I managed to bend mine into submission. Loosen the clamps so the line can slide forward as it flattens out.

[AZrockbum]

Interesting idea, ill give it a shot.

[bigblockyota]

very nice bid

[Mark in Az]

very nice bid

John, right? On one tons?

Hey, you finally stopped by. Check the upcoming events, there's usually something posted every weekend. It looks like you still have a lot of straight sheet metal...that can be fixed by wheeling with these guys ;)

[Heatstroke]

John, right? On one tons?

Hey, you finally stopped by. Check the upcoming events, there's usually something posted every weekend. It looks like you still have a lot of straight sheet metal...that can be fixed by wheeling with these guys ;)


Why whatever do you mean? ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/heatstroke/LowerWoodPeckerWoodysWash72608030.jpg

[TBob]

Yea hack up the x-member :rolleyes: numb nutz!
Is this a beer induced post?

[FAUX X 4]

Yea hack up the x-member :rolleyes: numb nutz!
Is this a beer induced post?

Yours or his?............... I think he got it handled seeing as that was posted almost a year ago! :D

[4xClover]

Yours or his?............... I think he got it handled seeing as that was posted almost a year ago! :D

No shit! Geez....that was posted back in Sept of LAST YEAR! :rolleyes:

[TBob]

wtf are you Faux's mini me?

No shit! Geez....that was posted back in Sept of LAST YEAR! :rolleyes:

[TBob]

ahhh yea - good point :D

Yours or his?............... I think he got it handled seeing as that was posted almost a year ago! :D

[rockbronco]

Why whatever do you mean? ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/heatstroke/LowerWoodPeckerWoodysWash72608030.jpg

thats cause you cant drive....

:flipoff1:

[FAUX X 4]

thats cause you cant drive....

:flipoff1:

Says sir-flops-a-lot! :flipoff1:

[rockbronco]

flop a once is more like it. have not done it again....yet.

[FAUX X 4]

flop a once is more like it. have not done it again....yet.

There are those who have flopped and those who will... :D

[rockbronco]

oh i was waiting for it to happen sooner than later. no suprise to me

[AZrockbum]

Holy ancient thread, yes issue long since resolved. I just pulled the lower big ass washer between the bushing and the mount and it dropped enough to clear without the banging.

[Heatstroke]

thats cause you cant drive....

:flipoff1:


Don't worry about my driving unless you are in front of me. The truck will be better prepared to survive the next attempted bacon remodel.

[rockbronco]

Don't worry about my driving unless you are in front of me. The truck will be better prepared to survive the next attempted bacon remodel.

rather be in front of you so i can keep on wheeling when you break your shit:D

[AZrockbum]

:dualing: :xpopcorn2

[BOVADS]

There are those who have flopped and those who will... :D

hey... i resemble that :D