: 4runner dual 3-link


DrVic@BallisticFab
07-29-2007, 12:09 PM
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DrVic@BallisticFab
07-29-2007, 12:11 PM
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DrVic@BallisticFab
07-29-2007, 12:12 PM
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hawaiianbro
07-29-2007, 12:29 PM
:wow:

NorcalPR
07-29-2007, 01:26 PM
Couldn't have said it better. Holy smokes

Kamr0n
07-29-2007, 01:39 PM
those pics are goin in the porn folder on my computer.

:kewl:

Coondogger
07-29-2007, 01:41 PM
Impressed........... Very clean work.

hytenor
07-29-2007, 03:48 PM
looking good. I really like the low COG ;)

one suggestion...after seeing Nate's carnage at the '06 TO to his rear upper link bracket I would beef that sucker up.

PappaF2
07-30-2007, 11:33 AM
Looks nice. :cool:
I have a question though, if you have driven it how does the suspension react having the pahards going the opposite direction from each other? If you haven't driven it, what are your thoughts on what it might do?
Also what coils is it running?

Kamr0n
07-30-2007, 02:21 PM
retracted. i was wrong.

PappaF2
07-30-2007, 03:04 PM
both bars are mount on the axle at the driver side as best i can tell... what are you talking about?

Look again. The panhard on the rear axle is mounted on the driver side of the axle. The panhard on the front axle is mounted to the passenger side of the axle. On a side note, any vehical with a steering box ( not full hydro) needs to run the panhard in line (same direction, angle, etc) as the drag link. Other wise the steering and suspension will fight each other and every time you hit a bump the wheels would drastically to one side. :eek:

CronusTRD
07-30-2007, 03:07 PM
I think it would work better that way, and keep the suspension from fully unloading in one direction.

knoxtaco
07-30-2007, 03:09 PM
both bars are mount on the axle at the driver side as best i can tell... what are you talking about?
Looks to me like the panhard for the rear mounts at the axle on the drivers side, and the front mounts to the axle on the passenger side.

PappaF2
07-30-2007, 03:25 PM
I think it would work better that way, and keep the suspension from fully unloading in one direction.

It very might. This is something I have been wondering for a while but can't really find any good info on it.
I am less concerned about low speed use than I am high speed, not just off road but freeway driving too. I am wondering if it would cause some weird YAW effects with the panhards mounted like that.
I have read that a panhard in the rear can cause some twicheyness on its own at high speeds (I'm talking off road where the suspension is using much more travel than on road freeway driving where it may not be noticed).

jsnby
07-30-2007, 03:51 PM
Aren't the front shocks mounted upside-down?

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85yotapro
07-30-2007, 07:19 PM
that really doesnt look all that good...the rear shocks are set way to far in, there is a hell of alot of threads showing on the link ends(someone cant read tape), and the link mounts seem to have a bit to be desired (ie welds and structural integrity), and the coils leanin all over the place...there are a few more things but fuck it, Im gonna get bashed on enough anyways.

like always just my :2cents:

Brain
07-30-2007, 08:02 PM
Look again. The panhard on the rear axle is mounted on the driver side of the axle. The panhard on the front axle is mounted to the passenger side of the axle. On a side note, any vehical with a steering box ( not full hydro) needs to run the panhard in line (same direction, angle, etc) as the drag link. Other wise the steering and suspension will fight each other and every time you hit a bump the wheels would drastically to one side. :eek:

Todd, I think it's ok to have the rear axle differently setup panhard wise since it's not a steering axle. I can see how if the front axle has the panhard mounted opposite the drag link, it'll be fucked up.

thenexus
07-30-2007, 08:04 PM
Sweet. I want to see that thing flex.

hytenor
07-30-2007, 08:11 PM
that really doesnt look all that good...the rear shocks are set way to far in, there is a hell of alot of threads showing on the link ends(someone cant read tape), and the link mounts seem to have a bit to be desired (ie welds and structural integrity), and the coils leanin all over the place...there are a few more things but fuck it, Im gonna get bashed on enough anyways.

like always just my :2cents:


I waz gonna comment on those rear shocks as well. At that severe an angle the question, "why bother having shocks at all?" comes to mind. ;) They are rendered useless as shocks at that angle.

95TacoKid
07-30-2007, 10:55 PM
looks good man..... but i would make a bigger plate where the sliders bolt on to the frame and put a gusset in on the top between the plate and legs...... other than that nice build

85yotapro
07-31-2007, 12:01 AM
I waz gonna comment on those rear shocks as well. At that severe an angle the question, "why bother having shocks at all?" comes to mind. ;) They are rendered useless as shocks at that angle.

at least someone sees what Im sayin, what really got me was the single shear mount for the heim at the pitman arm...yeah thats just a bad idea!

hytenor
07-31-2007, 12:19 AM
at least someone sees what Im sayin, what really got me was the single shear mount for the heim at the pitman arm...yeah thats just a bad idea!

well, I figure if Jeff's building this thing he will get it out on some narrly AZ trails first thing to find out what breaks first...then fix it. ;)

either way, the final product will be pretty darn cool.

but those shocks....:rolleyes:

PappaF2
07-31-2007, 01:17 AM
Todd, I think it's ok to have the rear axle differently setup panhard wise since it's not a steering axle. I can see how if the front axle has the panhard mounted opposite the drag link, it'll be fucked up.

It probably wouldn't be all that noticable if both the panhards were long and flat (at ride height). But it is weird to think that if you hit a jump and the front and rear suspensions went to droop the front axle would swing to the driver side and the rear axle would swing to the passenger side. :xcrazy:

Brain
07-31-2007, 01:27 AM
It probably wouldn't be all that noticable if both the panhards were long and flat (at ride height). But it is weird to think that if you hit a jump and the front and rear suspensions went to droop the front axle would swing to the driver side and the rear axle would swing to the passenger side. :xcrazy:

Very true :D Stock 4Runners have the rear panhard mount exactly like Jeff did.

PappaF2
07-31-2007, 02:16 AM
Very true :D Stock 4Runners have the rear panhard mount exactly like Jeff did.

Yup thats true but they are IFS up front and that only moves up and down. :D

hytenor
07-31-2007, 09:32 AM
Yup thats true but they are IFS up front and that only moves up and down. :D

hmm, maybe he should have gone with a radius arm up front instead of the 3-link?

PappaF2
07-31-2007, 09:52 AM
hmm, maybe he should have gone with a radius arm up front instead of the 3-link?

:D
Panhard still pushes/pulls it out to the side during bump or droop.

Really I am sure it's not that big a deal if you have nice long flat panhards (probably barely noticeable), I was just wondering if DrVic had some insite as to why he did it that way.

hytenor
07-31-2007, 10:17 AM
:D
Panhard still pushes/pulls it out to the side during bump or droop.

Really I am sure it's not that big a deal if you have nice long flat panhards (probably barely noticeable), I was just wondering if DrVic had some insite as to why he did it that way.

just use dual panhards...one from each side; that should take care of the problem :p

vegaskurt
07-31-2007, 12:45 PM
That is sick.... What kind of coils are you running up front drvic and how does it handle?

awsumdc
07-31-2007, 01:13 PM
just use dual panhards...one from each side; that should take care of the problem :p

Didn't you cover that idea once before in another thread:rolleyes:

hytenor
07-31-2007, 02:49 PM
Didn't you cover that idea once before in another thread:rolleyes:

shhhhh!

Wes
07-31-2007, 11:37 PM
I would agree Todd that it shouldn't be that wierd at speed on the road with them long and flat- but I definately think they would have to be the exact same length angle. I'm just picturing it going around a corner at speed and if the panhards are different lengths/angles the truck would kind of twist as it laid into the corner.

Jumps would definately be interesting

DrVic@BallisticFab
08-01-2007, 01:06 AM
About the shocks... we HATE the way they ended up but the customer really wanted 12" shocks... I let him know that he would be back and paying for a second shock relocation once he figured out that he had lost all of the shocks dampening abilities... oh well, I guess I'll post the updates :D

As far as the panhard, we figured that the effects would not be extreme enough since the roll centers are the same either way. I never considered that it might counter somehow the raduis effect of the front, not sure if that's true or not but I guess now our customer can test it out as let us know.

-Jeff

Mossyrocks
08-01-2007, 08:54 PM
I would think that it'd help keep it from unloading to one side in an off-camber spot.

nomayota
08-02-2007, 08:33 AM
so how does it drive is all I wanna know?

zarata
08-02-2007, 11:33 AM
so how does it drive is all I wanna know?

x2. very nice work

DrVic@BallisticFab
08-02-2007, 01:15 PM
Drives great, a light swaybar will probably need to be added though.

hytenor
08-02-2007, 02:33 PM
Drives great, a light swaybar will probably need to be added though.

o come on...emergency manuevers would be so much more interesting w/o one :p

BOVADS
10-05-2007, 12:13 PM
i saw this vehicle while browsing your sight, called over there and asked if there was any more info on it, guy that ansered phone didnt seem to know what i was talking about, im thinking i may try to duplicate rear set up on my '90
i like how low it sits and keeping rear coils

BruceTS
10-05-2007, 06:52 PM
that really doesnt look all that good...the rear shocks are set way to far in, there is a hell of alot of threads showing on the link ends(someone cant read tape), and the link mounts seem to have a bit to be desired (ie welds and structural integrity), and the coils leanin all over the place...there are a few more things but fuck it, Im gonna get bashed on enough anyways.

like always just my :2cents:

have to agree....

About the shocks... we HATE the way they ended up but the customer really wanted 12" shocks... I let him know that he would be back and paying for a second shock relocation once he figured out that he had lost all of the shocks dampening abilities... oh well, I guess I'll post the updates :D



This is how I fitted my 12" travel short bodied Bilsteins, fabricated new spring pockets, raising the mount location.

Flexed out at full droop on the drivers side, but not quite compressed on the passenger side. You can also see where the reservoirs for the shocks are located.
http://bruce.calrockx.com/4runner/rear/DSC06025.jpg

I moved the lower mount a bit higher, but had to inbound them a bit to prevent contact with the frame. Afterwards I gained another 1" of droop. Total vertical travel is 15 1/2" articulated difference is 26 1/2"
http://bruce.calrockx.com/4runner/rear/DSC06032.jpg

98blkgunner
12-02-2007, 02:42 PM
does anyone know why ballistic doesnt have there 3 link kit on there site anymore???

http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Solid-Axle-Swap_c_97-1.html

it was there but now theres only shock towers.

yodaworxs
12-26-2007, 06:38 PM
nice runner!! good work

what is up with that?? was on there site one day saw the sas kit the next only the shock towers??

neliconcept
02-03-2008, 04:37 PM
im just curious, why are the coils so inverted due to the axle not being wide enough up front to have them straight up and down?

and sorry for it being a late post compared to it being a near 1 month since last post

Big-A
02-08-2008, 05:47 AM
I am curious about the shocks in the front....arent they upside down?

hytenor
02-08-2008, 12:35 PM
I am curious about the shocks in the front....arent they upside down?

shocks are ACDC...they can go both ways ;)