Wrenchathon Labor day weekend?

[RedRunnertc]

The list of stuff that needs to be done before Moab keeps growing, and I'm gonna need some help.

- Install dual cases
Actually bolting them up is no biggie, but have to cut the floor, do the shifters, yadayadayada

- Air leak in rear third
Will have to totally disassemble the rear axle to drop the thirdmember. After that, fixing the ARB should be pretty easy (once I find what is broke and get the parts)

- Clutch
Figure now is the time while the drivetrain is out

- Turn signals
Have to diagnose why it's blowing fuses ... a lot of wiring to trace down!

Anyone available Labor day weekend?

Anyone have a tranny jack?

[stagecoachco]

Ahhhhhhh, to bad I'll actually be IN MOAB for labor day weekend. I really would love to help, but...

Bring your truck up next weekend and maybe we can punch a few things off the list...

[RedRunnertc]

Probably have the truck, but there's no way I'm tearing into it anywhere other than my garage and not until I have something else to drive.

Nothing ever goes smoothly working on my truck - it's too old and ornery for that!

[Wildturkee]

Il be there to help, just let me know time and adress
I have a 3 ton HD floor jack and 4 jack stands i used to do my clutch
Do the clutch when the trans out, i got a Flywheel at Checkers for the same price as turning the old one, with no core charge. Sam :D

[AxleIke]

I should be able to swing it.

I help with the diff and the clutch. I've done both several times.

I have an adapter to hook the ARB up to a CO2 Tank to find leaks easy. I'll bring my tank and reg, so we can set it to 90. Its how i bench tested both of mine.

It is my HIGHLY, HIGHLY recomended advice that you break down, spend the 20 bucks, and rent the tranny jack for a day from your local tool store. I've done it both ways, and it SUCKS with a floor jack. Also, either purchase or rent a pilot bearing puller. It is a must have, no options. Recomended this is done before the tear down.

[RedRunnertc]

Thanks Isaac - where do you get a pilot bearing puller? Sears? Napa/Autozone/Carquest? Remember how much? Is it one of those tools where you really get what you pay for and need to get a good one?

[RedRunnertc]

Oh - and Sam - you should see our garage now that we have both my stuff and molly's all in the same place... 2 3ton floor jacks, 4 pairs of jackstands, 2 creepers, every tool imaginable (well, except a pilot bearing puller apparently) ...

[Wildturkee]

sweet cant wait to see it. just leting you know that i have it, do you have a air compressure? i can bring extra air tools if you do. i have a 1/2' impact, 3/8 rachet, chisel w/ 3 diffrent bits, a cut off wheel, and a sawzall (air). let me know if you would like me to bring any of those. on the berring puller, make sure it is a small one, i rented one at advanced and it was a little too big. Also try to get one that is a slide hamer style, i modded the one from advanced to make it a slide hammer and it only took 3-4 good hits to get it out. where you buy it depends on how much you want/have to spend. usally you can rent them from autoparts stores, you bacicly pay for it and when you return it they refund your money. If you decide to buy one get one with every thing, and you can use it on other things also. just my :2cents:

[spindleshanks]

Troy, if all goes correctly, I should be in Crestone visiting the family that weekend.
But if it doesn't happen that way, I'm all yours. In any case, I have a dremel to cut your floor out, bernz-omatic, etc and all sorts of misc. tools that may be of assistance (but which you probably already have in your garage).



i got a Flywheel at Checkers for the same price as turning the old one, with no core charge. Sam :D

Sorry to hijack, but I think my 2cents may help down the road. Don't buy a cheap new flywheel if you can resurface the old one. The reason the new one was so cheap is that it's probably from China or India. The OE one is likely much higher quality steel. India, China and Thailand are capable of making excellent steel products, but not at that price, and not through Checker Auto.
My experience with Chinese brake rotors has led me to believe that a similar flywheel will have the same problems: glazing, uneven heat distribution, hot-spots that can't be resurfaced, warping, cracking etc. Generally problematic over the long haul.

[Wildturkee]

let me refrase that: I was going to have the fly wheel reserfaced, but they told me that there was not enough material left, so i called around and checkers was the only one that had a flywheel in stock, it was around $75 and so far before the engine craped out in it i have not had any problems with the fly wheel or clutch

[spindleshanks]

I wasn't trying to step on your toes Turkee. What are the chances his flywheel is turnable anyway? Not likely. You've probably got the right idea, especially for Troy's old red (though incredibly capable) dinosaur.

[AxleIke]

Thanks Isaac - where do you get a pilot bearing puller? Sears? Napa/Autozone/Carquest? Remember how much? Is it one of those tools where you really get what you pay for and need to get a good one?

Rented it. it was like 12 bucks. Only realized i needed it the night before, asked when i went to pick up the tranny jack, and they had one. I had the pilot bearing in hand, and tested it, it fit.

As for getting a good one, i trust craftsman. If i were buying one, thats where i'd get mine.

Saturday, sunday, monday? One or all? Also, what is your usual start up time?

[RedRunnertc]

I ordered a flywheel from Marlin with the clutch. When I replaced the starter I thought I saw some teeth missing/chewed up, so for $100 I figured it was worth it ... plus the flywheels need a step machined in them, and frankly, I don't trust anyone around here to know that and do it right.

I would like to start on Saturday probably, as I figure it's going to take more than 1 day. Start up time won't be very early - it's a holiday for god's sake!

[Jacket]

As much as I'd like to come, help and learn, I'll be in Pagosa Springs labor day weekend :mad:

[march2304]

Ill be in Denver late Friday through Saturday. I know i dont have any tools that you dont already have. But ill help out anywhere i can. I have to work day shift Sun Mon. Trying to get out of Sunday, Either way im there Saturday. Ill also be in Denver THIS Weekend on Saturday. :welder:

[Lysmachia]

March you have a place to stay if ya need it. Oh and bump for Labor day - I will be cooking a HELLA feast Saturday night!

[devinsixtyseven]

Maybe I'm RWD by then, maybe not. If I'm rolling, I could bring the axle cradle and the uberstands (tho they are not adjustable), makes axle work much easier. If I'm not rolling, all that stuff is gonna be under my truck :p.

[Mythica]

I would like to come give a hand, but I dont know if I will be able to drive by then (stupid head injury).

Autozone should have the pilot bearing puller, they charge like 20 bucks, but give you the money back once you bring them the tool back.

[RedRunnertc]

Plan is to start Saturday morning at 10:00!

Have several projects to do, so the more help the better:
- Remove tranny, replace clutch
- Install dual transfer case
- Disassemble rear axle, diagnose/repair rear locker
- Diagnose turn signal short
- Tune up (cap, rotor, plugs, wires)

[Lysmachia]

So Plan on having burgers for lunch and then I am cooking up a hella feast Saturday night! We'll provide all food (and beer) for those of you coming over to help!

[AxleIke]

I'm there all day Sat.

Sunday I have some stuff to take care of at the folkses.

[devinsixtyseven]

- Diagnose turn signal shortAt least one of your turn signals isn't triggering your reverse lights AND lighting the wrong bulb! If I hit the hazards, the ass of my truck looks like a roller rink with a disco ball.

[march2304]

Sounds like a plan. All goes well i will be there all day Saturday.

[Quick Draw]

I'm tempted to get my clutch done too, since you guys will have the tools for it, and the guidance I need... But the problem is that I don't have the parts yet, and I'm not sure if I can get them by the weekend. Also, I'm not quite sure what my weekend schedule is...

Where are you in "Boulder/Longmont"? I know the area relatively well...however, I know Longmont better than Boulder. I could at the very least watch a clutch replacement, and know a little better for when I do it.

[00regcab]

i might swing by sunday or monday to hit you up on that trimming/smashing of the bumper/pinch welds.

I wont have the tires on, but i know from the end of my tire, to the end of the new ones, its 1.5" (they're 3" taller overall, the new ones that is), so maybe some measuring and cutting to be on the safe side before i got wheeling again and tear the shit out of the tires without trimming?

That is, if you're still down to help. I need to learn more about the mechanics behind my truck as well, so id like to watch and learn.

[RedRunnertc]

We're basically off CR7.5 near the interchange of 119 and I25. I'll PM directions.

[AxleIke]

Troy, how are you with other folks working on your truck? By this I mean, were you to work on the tranny/xcase, i can easily pull your third and diagnose the leak. However, sometimes people are not cool with others messing with their stuff. Just curious is all, would make the work go much faster.

[RedRunnertc]

I'm cool with it, especially if it's someone who knows what they're doing and I'm there...

I had kinda planned on having one "group" work on the rear axle, one on the transfer cases, and one on the other stuff. That should REALLY speed things up, and I don't think we'll be too on top of each other.

I've got a tranny jack. Still need to pick up the pilot bearing puller and a few other things. I'll be pulling the truck into the garage Friday night, getting it on jackstands, and draining the fluids, so everything will be ready to go when people arrive.

Isaac - what measuring devices do I need to check the backlash, etc on the rear diff? Just a mag base dial indicator?

[AxleIke]

yes, that is it. Backlash should be between .007" and .012". I put both of my diffs at .009". Enough that the gears won't get too hot, and can be plenty lubed, but close enough that deflection won't be a problem.

However, I refer you to Zuk's site: www.gearinstalls.com

It is an invaluable resource.

I am attempting to dig up my tool for adjusting the adjustment nuts on the diff. Thought i had it in one tool box, now i have to go search through the rest. :mad:

I will also bring my bench testing tool.

[00regcab]

Well ill have my new tires tomorrow, so that'll work well for sunday if you're still game.

Shoot me a PM with directions from Brighton, or your address and all pull it up on a map.

[Lysmachia]

My cell is (720) Nine Three Three - 3071 (Molly)

Troy's cell is (412) seven one six - 3823

He will send directions tomorrow morning! (But if he doesn't call one of us!)

Remember I have a full spread for lunch AND dinner AND beer - and extra beds too! Thanks for the help all!!!

-Mols

[Wildturkee]

ummm lunch and dinner and beer, we may not ever leave...LOL:D

[RedRunnertc]

UPDATE:

Rear diff is fixed - Thanks AxleIke!

Tuneup is done - Thanks Widturkee!

Transmission is out - Thanks AxleIke and March2304!

So tomorrow, we'll be working on assembling the transmission/transfer cases, fitting it in the truck and doing the necessary cutting... and diagnosing the turn signals, adjusting the rear brakes, and all the other little stuff.

Monday, if anyone's available, it looks like we'll be installing the clutch and putting everything back together.

[00regcab]

thanks again for everything today troy and molly! I had fun.

[fjcruzer]

Sounds like you're headed for a successful run on Pearl Pass next weekend! :)

I managed to find the perfect rock to wedge between my Budbuilt and the cross-over exhaust pipe to keep it from rattling... :D

Molly, I'll need to borrow that sledge from you sometime do I can beat the bent skid plate back into submission...

[spindleshanks]

Did the bearing race come out finally?

**And thanks again for the hospitality, Molly and Troy. I can't think of better way to spend a Sunday than drinking beer and get dirty wit my homeys. Not to mention a pug that looks like Admiral Akbar. Pls post pics, Molly, so everybody knows I'm not crazy...

[Lysmachia]

oH aDMIRAL aKBAR... THAT WAS THE crazy arse pug jeremy!!! LOL


Yes it came out at 8:00 tomight jer...

We stiull need help Monday all... I have secured more beer and more munchies!!! LOL

[spindleshanks]

Yeah, the Pug, Otis, looks just like this:
http://shadowmage.plinkomedia.com/images/Admiral-Ackbar-trap.jpg

[RedRunnertc]

Thanks Nate and Jeremy!

So, basically, it took, let's see, about ... well ... ALL DAY to get the freaking pilot bearing out. Basically ground almost all the way through it then popped it out with that big prybar.

Got the new one put in and the flywheel on.

Had a buddy come over and weld a lever onto the rear diff fill bolt and got that off and the diff filled.

SOOOO, kinda an unproductive day, but if people can come over tomorrow, everything is ready to finish up!

[00regcab]

howd everything go? Everything in and ready?

[RedRunnertc]

No :mad:

Transmission is in and everything hooked back up. Got the transfer case into place and cut the shifter hole for it last night. Will be going to the M&G tonight, so no work on it.

Should have driveshafts and transfer case mounts tomorrow, so will be bolting everything up and fine tuning this weekend. Should definitely have it done by Monday!

Meaning IT IS AWN for Moody Hill next weekend!

[RedRunnertc]

Update:

Mounts came yesterday and I got the crossmember installed and the wiring straightened out. Shortly thereafter, everything went to shit.

Rear driveshaft is all in the rear heater hoses.

Front driveshaft flange pattern is different, can't get to bolt up, and appears to be hitting the tcase.

Sooooo .... tonight it looks like I'll be taking it all down so I can fix the DS issues, and then put it all back in. :mad:

I've got to get this thing on the road so I can start breaking in the clutch!

[spindleshanks]

Dude, ditch that rear heater and all associated hoses. Just leave it out on the corner for Otto the Garbage Man to pick up.

[RedRunnertc]

Actually, that's the plan for tonight. I'll deal with it after Moab.

[march2304]

I was only there for Saturday, it was fun because thats where most of the demo happened. Here are some pics.

Troy trying to get a broken hex head out of a socket.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2154.jpg

Peek a boo.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2153.jpg

Opening up the floor boards for the new shifters.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2155.jpg

Taking out the transfer case and tranny.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2156.jpg

Last bolt on the tranny was at the top. Had to get to it from the back.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2158.jpg

Finnally out.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2159.jpg

Little bit of Molly whomping after DVD Trivial Pursuit.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2160.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2162.jpg

All the girls. We have to get Mindy a screen name and get her on here.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2166.jpg

That Yaris couldnt be happier right now. :D

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2170-2.jpg

Themike and Tippy and AxleIke.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/march2304/more%20offroad/DSCN2174.jpg

Great day. Got plenty dirty, Though not as much as Troy. Molly the grub was FANTASTIC!!!! Thanks for the drinks and food. Cant wait for winter. :) Thats wrenching season aint it? :welder:

[TowerRigger]

Lmao!!!

[00regcab]

the mike the tippy and 92regcab?

Thats not my truck! Or me! lol, i missed out on that day of fun!

Some funny pictures tho

[TowerRigger]

Oh yes and I've played the 'how many extentions can we use' game a few times myself.lol

[RedRunnertc]

That was AxleIke ramping Tippy.

Took it for a RWD test drive tonight! Everything seems to be working!

Double low is frickin SLOW. Will idle up the curb and driveway without even bogging the motor. It is SO SWEET!

[Lysmachia]

Nice pics. So ya'll don't think I am crazy here are my pics LOL

The wrenching admiral ackbar!!
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d726b3127ccebb565a9e6a4000000026108AbNWLJszZOA

Spindleshanks ices the clutch to make it - well I dunno - do something....
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d726b3127ccebb5644d56a0400000025118AbNWLJszZOA

What to do next???
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d726b3127ccebb564d9cabe100000026108AbNWLJszZOA

Glow Squirrel speaks...
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d726b3127ccebb563c4b6aa600000026108AbNWLJszZOA

Oh and look how disgustingly cute we are....

.. and he calls me pig pen!

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d726b3127ccebb56302f6ac400000026108AbNWLJszZOA

[Lysmachia]

That was AxleIke ramping Tippy.

Took it for a RWD test drive tonight! Everything seems to be working!

Double low is frickin SLOW. Will idle up the curb and driveway without even bogging the motor. It is SO SWEET!

Yeah we now have new names for it. Reguarl slow, then Marlin Slow, Then Mike Ross slow. With that said I know which twin stick goes where :D

[TowerRigger]

The slow slow thing reminds me of when my buddy and me would go out to the farthest reaches of the farm put the truck in low range, I'd get the truck going then climb out of the window and sit on the hood and just let the truck go where it wanted till it died.

[00regcab]

Wheres the pics of my stock piece trying to ramp tippy? :P

[march2304]

That was AxleIke ramping Tippy.


Sorry about the confusion. I fixed it. :) Great pictures Molly!!

[Lysmachia]

Wheres the pics of my stock piece trying to ramp tippy? :P

Oh I forgot I was ramped 2x that weekend. I gotta load them up!

[Lysmachia]

Ya mean these???

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d730b3127ccebb2dd82bd0e500000026108AbNWLJszZOA

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d730b3127ccebb2ddbc4909300000026108AbNWLJszZOA

Kinda looks like I ramped you first! (OK he tried me first)

[00regcab]

a little more umph on the skinny pedal and i think i could of done it.

Tippy going saturday? I'll have to try again then, on the gravel/dirt, i was kinda worried about the rear dropping back down, catching instant traction and breaking something... so at least with gravel it'll have a better chance of spinning.

[TowerRigger]

You'll just spin around sideways. At least that's what always happened to me in my unlocked K5 when I tried to run up stumps.

[AxleIke]

When I first met otis, i thought he was the ugliest thing i'd ever seen. Now he's really grown on me. I wonder if his owners would give him up?

[00regcab]

You'll just spin around sideways. At least that's what always happened to me in my unlocked K5 when I tried to run up stumps.

Ive never had this problem before? lol, :shrugs:

different vehicles, different behavoir :shrugs: we shall see ;)

[Lysmachia]

When I first met otis, i thought he was the ugliest thing i'd ever seen. Now he's really grown on me. I wonder if his owners would give him up?


That's too funny Isaac... because that exactly what Troy and I thought too!

[TowerRigger]

The breathing would hamper my affection for this interesting animal.

[RedRunnertc]

Actually, he only did that when there was a lot going on. On Monday when I was working on the truck and Molly was at work, he didn't do it all. Just sat in the doorway, and then would move out into the sun in the front yard, never wandered off.

[Jacket]

Actually, he only did that when there was a lot going on. On Monday when I was working on the truck and Molly was at work, he didn't do it all. Just sat in the doorway, and then would move out into the sun in the front yard, never wandered off.

One of our friends has 2 of those pugs and an english bulldog. It's one big snore/snort-fest every time we go over there. Pugs are cool :kewl:

[TowerRigger]

Pugs are cool dammit!!!!!!!!

[RedRunnertc]

Eh - he wasn't very playful and the heavy breathing was kinda annoying