Project Commuter SAS [Archive]

gregers05

11-15-2007, 10:03 PM

I figured I'd post my Tacoma build here in the GA forum first for you guys.

Truck Info:
1997 Extra Cab 3.4 Automatic

The plans:
- Spring Under SAS using 2 top leafs from a 85 4Runner pack and 5 leafs from rancho pack.
- 85 Mini Front Axle with IFS hubs and 1.5" spacers to = 61.5" WMS to WMS.
- Dual 23 spline cases using Inchworms tranny to transfer adapter and Marlins MC07-R10 transfer adapter.
- 4.88's front and rear
- Aussie Locker in the rear and High Pinion e-locker up front
- 35" Maxxis Bighorns all-around on Summits 164 Series Wheels.
- Bob bed to Double Cab length.

sweet i love seeing build up threads, especially for tacomas.

question though, why are you doing spring under instead of a typical spring over setup?

gregers05

11-15-2007, 10:32 PM

REDTACOtjm123

11-15-2007, 10:34 PM

another thought...
also i thought spring over made more flex as well?

then again i am me,and prolly wrong

gregers05

11-15-2007, 10:52 PM

Correct, plus you don't lose that much clearance with a spring under.

yeah this is true.

as far as which has better flex, i would think they are both about the same and if they are different, its by a small amount which doesnt matter since is a dd

yotaman

11-15-2007, 11:06 PM

Here's some quick pictures.

Passenger side frame
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/untitled.JPG
Driver side frame
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/taco1.JPG

gregers05

11-15-2007, 11:07 PM

ummmmm im counting down the years(yeah i know its gonna be a while) until i can see my frame looking like that

REDTACOtjm123

11-15-2007, 11:20 PM

wanna do mine ??? :p :D

ATLRoach

11-16-2007, 05:04 AM

Damn man looking good.. SOA will allow for better travel but SUA allows for better control on on the road. He has another ramp champ that sits in the back yard.

Also don't hang out with Greg(Yotaman) he's a bad influence!

Alan11116

11-16-2007, 07:41 AM

Greg, sounds good man! That axle is still sitting in my garage where we left it. One day!

gregers05

11-16-2007, 09:52 AM

Greg, sounds good man! That axle is still sitting in my garage where we left it. One day!

alan YOU SUCK!

4inT100

11-16-2007, 10:37 AM

Looking good. If you get bored I've got some stuff to get done on an 82 ;)

1moreyota

11-16-2007, 04:43 PM

I figured that would be the first question.

A typical SAS makes a tacoma TO HIGH :eek: I want the truck LOW :D .

For real: I think a SAS'd Tacoma with a spring over and 35" tires looks like ass.

Sweet! I definitely like the SUA idea. It's something that you don't see too often but will definitely work well if it's built correctly. Imho, suspension stability is an often overlooked aspect to a rig's design and a sua setup should give you a tremendous amount of stability on the trail. Plus, I like the whole sleeper look that you'll probably end up with. This might be more work than you want to do but I think it would be cool if you sua'd the rear too.

yotaman

11-16-2007, 07:16 PM

Some random pictures.

Welding Front Hanger on.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/weld.jpg

Working on frame plating.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/frameplate.jpg

Front Axle all Painted and ready to go. Thats my 3.4 swapped 95 in the back ground. Sweet truck.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/axle.jpg

yotaman

11-16-2007, 07:20 PM

Here's a little tech.

When doing the IFS Hub Swap on a Toyota front axle tap the calipers to 1/2" fine thread and drill the knuckles out to 1/2". Now you can mount the calipers to the other side of the knuckle.

Here's a picture of my new V6 IFS calipers 1/2" fine thread taped.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/cal.jpg

I'll get some more pictures of everything mounted later.

yotaman

11-16-2007, 07:23 PM

Here's my steering shaft.

This was completely bolt together, no welding needed. It might be long enough to work with an IFS steering box to.

http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/shaft1.jpg
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/shaft2.jpg

yotaman

11-16-2007, 07:30 PM

Here's a picture of my ramp champ. It's at around 24" frame to ground on 4D's and it's going to stay like that. I've got a lot planned for it when the Tacoma is done. Lots of cutting and moving axles around to make it work but it'll be low and WIDE and ALL TOYOTA.

http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/4runner123.jpg

yotaman

11-16-2007, 07:37 PM

wanna do mine ??? :p :DSure. I'll give you a TTORA discount. :xsmokin1: When would you like me to schedule the truck for surgery.

REDTACOtjm123

11-17-2007, 05:18 AM

Sure. I'll give you a TTORA discount. :xsmokin1: When would you like me to schedule the truck for surgery.

when i get a few grand :D

4inT100

11-17-2007, 07:07 PM

those 63" on the 4 runner?

What's the plans for the rear of the Taco? AAL, 63"s?

yotaman

11-17-2007, 07:12 PM

those 63" on the 4 runner?

What's the plans for the rear of the Taco? AAL, 63"s?The 4Runner has trail-gear leaf front and rear for now. It'll have something different come round 2.

Not sure for the rear of the Tacoma. Going to play it by rear for now, finish the front and then do the rear. More than likely a custom pack mix matching Toyota leafs.

yotaman

11-18-2007, 03:54 PM

Some more pictures.

Axle under truck.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/axle2.jpg

Truck sitting on it's own weight with tire on axle. The truck still has a 3" body lift that will be coming off.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/truck.jpg

yotaman

11-18-2007, 03:55 PM

Some more pictures of the IFS hub mod.

http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/cal2.jpg
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/cal3.jpg

justinh

11-18-2007, 09:28 PM

Totally off topic but which trailgear springs are you running on the front of the other one? How long are your shackles?

yotaman

11-18-2007, 09:35 PM

Totally off topic but which trailgear springs are you running on the front of the other one? How long are your shackles?They're 4" up front and 5" in the rear. I think the shackles are 5.5". It worked great with 35" - 37" tires. It has major gangster lean. It leans 1-2" to the driver side. I don;t know if it's TG springs or what. I know some other people have said they have the same problem.

justinh

11-18-2007, 09:39 PM

They're 4" up front and 5" in the rear. I think the shackles are 5.5". It worked great with 35" - 37" tires. It has major gangster lean. It leans 1-2" to the driver side. I don;t know if it's TG springs or what. I know some other people have said they have the same problem.

Thanks. I was thinking about their 3" springs for the front of this 88 I bought but I am not sure how much I am going to do with it. I am dropping the head off at the machine shop in the morning and hope to get it back together by next weekend. Once it is running good i will see what else i want to tackle.

yotaman

11-18-2007, 09:53 PM

Thanks. I was thinking about their 3" springs for the front of this 88 I bought but I am not sure how much I am going to do with it. I am dropping the head off at the machine shop in the morning and hope to get it back together by next weekend. Once it is running good i will see what else i want to tackle.Rear's up front are the way to go. Start with 3 leafs from a rear pack and add another 3 from another pack. You'll need to move your IFS box forward or use an FJ80/FJ60 forward swing box.

justinh

11-18-2007, 09:56 PM

Rear's up front are the way to go. Start with 3 leafs from a rear pack and add another 3 from another pack. You'll need to move your IFS box forward or use an FJ80/FJ60 forward swing box.

That is what I was thinking. If only I had some stock rears sitting around and some other spring packs sitting around. by the time i bought junkyard parts to build a pack i could probably buy a set of trailgear springs. I really need to find another ifs 4runner of this vintage. I am pretty sure the box was moved forward some but I can't really tell how much without anything to reference it to.

yotaman

11-18-2007, 10:02 PM

That is what I was thinking. If only I had some stock rears sitting around and some other spring packs sitting around. by the time i bought junkyard parts to build a pack i could probably buy a set of trailgear springs. I really need to find another ifs 4runner of this vintage. I am pretty sure the box was moved forward some but I can't really tell how much without anything to reference it to.Send me some pictures and I'll tell you for sure. Use the springs out of the rear of the truck and then put some tundra or other springs back there. You can get springs from pullapart for cheap and most junk yards sell them for cheap.

They have some 80 model trucks over at the Norcross pullapart location.

justinh

11-19-2007, 07:25 AM

Send me some pictures and I'll tell you for sure. Use the springs out of the rear of the truck and then put some tundra or other springs back there. You can get springs from pullapart for cheap and most junk yards sell them for cheap.

They have some 80 model trucks over at the Norcross pullapart location.

I have 63" chevys in the back. I may check out that norcross pullapart if i go that route with it.

yotaman

11-19-2007, 12:27 PM

I got my tie rod and drag link ordered today. I had to have the drag link tapped 21mm on one side instead of 23mm so it took some time to find someone who could do 21mm.

BudBuilt is making both of them and they should be here next week. Then the truck will technically be drivable.

Here's a picture of my FJ60 tie rod ends. This is what allows me to use stock steering arms and do Spring Under.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/tierod.jpg

ATLRoach

11-19-2007, 12:50 PM

Sweet so Bud got it setup?

yotaman

11-19-2007, 01:06 PM

Sweet so Bud got it setup?Yeah he finally got his machine working. He said I should have them the end of this week or beginning of next week.

Wheelin taco2131

11-19-2007, 04:02 PM

GREG! its brad from steak and shake. I forgot your handle! Build looking great man!

yotaman

11-19-2007, 04:48 PM

GREG! its brad from steak and shake. I forgot your handle! Build looking great man!What's going on man.

yotaman

11-20-2007, 11:31 PM

Order some more crap and got some crap for the truck today. I ordered a Wilson proportioning valve and Jegs electric line lock.

I got my new energy suspension bushings for my rear up front leaf pack today. The quality of the bushings is a lot better than some of the junk ones I've gotten from other company's (trail-gear.com just to name one :rolleyes: ) plus they're about the same price.

zman2day

11-21-2007, 05:39 AM

Some random pictures.

Working on frame plating.
http://www.blueherp.com/tacoma/frameplate.jpg

Hey bonehead... The shield is supposed to be infront of your eyes not just on top of your head. :D :D :D :welder:

zman2day

11-21-2007, 05:43 AM

Order some more crap and got some crap for the truck today. I ordered a Wilson proportioning valve and Jegs electric line lock.

you will need to buy a different switch for the line lock to use for e-brake. Push on-push off type, unless you plan on drag racing your truck.... :supergay:

ATLRoach

11-21-2007, 06:58 AM

Marshytaco

11-21-2007, 07:10 AM

Hey bonehead... The shield is supposed to be infront of your eyes not just on top of your head. :D :D :D :welder:

I just love the MISFITS shirt!!! Keep on rockin' in the free world!!!

yotaman

11-21-2007, 09:49 AM

Hey bonehead... The shield is supposed to be infront of your eyes not just on top of your head. :D :D :D :welder:
I had safety glasses on to :neener:

you will need to buy a different switch for the line lock to use for e-brake. Push on-push off type, unless you plan on drag racing your truck.... :supergay:Not going to race just got it for an e-brake for when I swap to disk in the back. :flipoff1:

You get them from Suspension.com?I got them from Autozone, cheaper and no shipping they're like 24.99 + tax.

I just love the MISFITS shirt!!! Keep on rockin' in the free world!!!:xpimp: :xrocker:

yotaman

11-21-2007, 04:10 PM

4wheelparts.com is having 10% off website wide and free shipping so I'm thinking about getting BFG All-Terrains instead of Maxxis Bighorns because I can save over $100 plus the All-Terrains will probably last longer on the road.

What do you guys think?

justinh

11-21-2007, 04:20 PM

justinh

11-21-2007, 04:21 PM

<thread hijack on>Picked up a 1996 V6 4Runner today. I'm swapping the motor into a customers Toyota Uhaul work truck. If anyone needs parts let me know.<thread hijack off>

I need some parts. The pullout cup holders from the dash. The center console armrest if it is in good shape. The pullout cup holders from the back of the console. power antenna mast....let me know what you have.

yotaman

11-21-2007, 04:27 PM

Discount tire has a $100 off coupon on their website good at anystore this friday and saturday.But they won't price match and let me use it. There would still be more if I payed there reg price then used the coupon plus I have to pay tax if I buy from discount. Oh and they have to install them so you have to pay whatever they want to install them. I got all excited this morning when I say the coupon and called them. Sometimes they'll price match a competitor then let you use the coupon. I did it on some wheels a few months back.

yotaman

11-21-2007, 04:28 PM

I need some parts. The pullout cup holders from the dash. The center console armrest if it is in good shape. The pullout cup holders from the back of the console. power antenna mast....let me know what you have.
I'll inventory everything over Thanksgiving and let you know.

justinh

11-21-2007, 04:35 PM

I'll inventory everything over Thanksgiving and let you know.

Sounds good.

HillBilly_Young01

11-21-2007, 04:36 PM

4wheelparts.com is having 10% off website wide and free shipping.

What do you guys think?

thanks for the heads up. time to order me a high lift :D

yotaman

11-21-2007, 04:48 PM

thanks for the heads up. time to order me a high lift :DGlade I could help.

jh3

11-21-2007, 06:37 PM

yotaman

11-21-2007, 07:39 PM

Sweet man! I'm in the same "keep it low" crowd. Its damn near impossable to do with high steer and soa. I'm also in the "all toyota" crawd also, been looking at going with the fj80/lx450 front, and also using the foward swing box.

The axle choice intriges me and i'm interested to see how it turns out, more so i'm interested in the gold runner with the fj62 front.. any pics/specs?

OH, and my 35" bighorns balance better that any bfg i've owned... 31"-37", at/ko, and mt/kmThe Tacoma body measures the same width as a pre-Tacoma without the fender flares. So I figured the mini axle was a perfect choose for my SAS. I was planning to use the FJ62 front on the Tacoma but figured if I'm only planning to run 35's the 9.5" differential would be a waste on the Tacoma.

I don't currently have the FJ62 front under the 95 (I'd be interested in selling the FJ62 front if you want). I'm thinking about not using it and using the FJ80 front I have in the driveway w/ a 3 link and panhard, and using the FJ80 full floater in the rear w/ leaf springs. I have the set in the garage and no one wants to buy them for what they're worth.

justinh

11-21-2007, 08:51 PM

I'll inventory everything over Thanksgiving and let you know.

It isn't by chance the wrecked 96 from craigslist is it? Does it have leather?

yotaman

11-21-2007, 09:25 PM

It isn't by chance the wrecked 96 from craigslist is it? Does it have leather?That'd be it and it does have leather.

justinh

11-21-2007, 09:37 PM

That'd be it and it does have leather.

Sweet, I was trying to convince that guy to part it out, what shape are the seats in? We definitely need to talk.

yotaman

11-21-2007, 09:52 PM

Sweet, I was trying to convince that guy to part it out, what shape are the seats in? We definitely need to talk.They're in good shape, a couple of small tears on the driver. I'm planning to keep the front seats for the Tacoma unless the $$$ are right to get them away from me. :D The rear seats are in great shape.

I've got a customer that purchased a Toyota Uhaul truck, it's got a dually and everything. Instead or me replacing every seal and belt on a 240,000 3.0 V6 I talked him into swapping a 3.4. After he drove my 3.4 swapped 4Runner it was an easy sell. :missingto

I'm officially in the Toyota motor swap business. I'll be selling custom wiring harness's for 2.7, 3.4 V6, 4.0 & 4.7 V8. Plus I'll offer full swaps (drop your truck off, I do work, then you drive off in a better truck.) I'm still working out all the details to get plugs and everything from Toyota.

I'll be swapping a 4.0 V8 into the beast (1995 4Runner) this year also. Going to pick up my V8 in a week or so.

justinh

11-21-2007, 09:57 PM

They're in good shape, a couple of small tears on the driver. I'm planning to keep the front seats for the Tacoma unless the $$$ are right to get them away from me. :D The rear seats are in great shape.

I've got a customer that purchased a Toyota Uhaul truck, it's got a dually and everything. Instead or me replacing every seal and belt on a 240,000 3.0 V6 I talked him into swapping a 3.4. After he drove my 3.4 swapped 4Runner it was an easy sell. :missingto

I'm officially in the Toyota motor swap business. I'll be selling custom wiring harness's for 2.7, 3.4 V6, 4.0 & 4.7 V8. Plus I'll offer full swaps (drop your truck off, I do work, then you drive off in a better truck.) I'm still working out all the details to get plugs and everything from Toyota.

I'll be swapping a 4.0 V8 into the beast (1995 4Runner) this year also. Going to pick up my V8 in a week or so.

Good for you man. If I was planning to keep this 88 4runner I would be seriously seeking out a 3.4 for it.

yotaman

11-21-2007, 10:02 PM

Good for you man. If I was planning to keep this 88 4runner I would be seriously seeking out a 3.4 for it.Thanks. I enjoy doing the motor swaps it's a lot of fun and starting one without mufflers is just the coolest. You'll have to swing by one day and check stuff out.

jh3

11-22-2007, 05:06 AM

I'm thinking about not using it and using the FJ80 front I have in the driveway w/ a 3 link and panhard, and using the FJ80 full floater in the rear w/ leaf springs. I have the set in the garage and no one wants to buy them for what they're worth. I didnt relize that about the bodys, hell I pulled my flares at tellico on the first run in the truck as not to destroy somthing I could sell. :)

I'm thinking the exact same as you on the fj80 stuff. I'm lookinging into either a radius arm set up or just straight 3 link front, with a leaved rear. I figure the best stuff to use for sas is the stuff toyota desined fir sfa. I'm interested to see how you go about the exhaust routing with the t-case flip/duals. I'll be r&d ing for a while and your build thread will be close watched.

OH, and folks dont want to give what the axles ar worth cause they think d60's are the only way to go :rolleyes: Junk a$$ american chit.

-Josh

TRoss

11-22-2007, 07:35 AM

I'll be swapping a 4.0 V8 into the beast (1995 4Runner) this year also. Going to pick up my V8 in a week or so.

Cool build up, thanks for posting it up.
What 4.0 V8 is it your referring to?

Thanks and keep uo the awsome work!

ATLRoach

11-22-2007, 08:01 AM

Lexus V8 is the 4.0 he is talking about 1UZ. He's going to help me do a 3.4 swap in a 3rd gen once all these parts sell.

TRoss

11-22-2007, 09:27 AM

Ok, didn't know that, thought maybe it was a typo..
I keep waiting for someone to pop the Toy 4.0 V6's in one of these puppies.

Come on Kyle, get started!! Need to wheeeeeeeeel!!

sloppytaco

11-22-2007, 09:52 AM

Great build Greg! I need to stop by and check it out in person.

yotaman

11-22-2007, 10:32 AM

Cool build up, thanks for posting it up.
What 4.0 V8 is it your referring to?

Thanks and keep uo the awsome work!The 4.0 V8 is the Lexus V8. Toyota started making it in 1990 in the LS400 and SC400.

yotaman

11-22-2007, 10:34 AM

Great build Greg! I need to stop by and check it out in person.Come on by man anytime. How's the wife?

sloppytaco

11-22-2007, 11:38 AM

Come on by man anytime. How's the wife?

Ok, I'll give you a call when I get a chance to come out. She's doing good. A little less than two months to go till the fun begins.

yotaman

11-22-2007, 11:45 AM

A little less than two months to go till the fun begins.
It's the best of times man.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/baby.jpg

ATLRoach

11-22-2007, 12:40 PM

You see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkwlGwrdiVw

yotaman

11-22-2007, 12:54 PM

You see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkwlGwrdiVwYeah. I've found a few LOW LOW mileage 4.0's. I told Lori I was going to swap her 3.4 out for a 4.0 and she just looked at me and rolled her eyes.

sloppytaco

11-22-2007, 01:37 PM

It's the best of times man.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/baby.jpg

Very cool

REDTACOtjm123

11-22-2007, 01:48 PM

thanks for the heads up. time to order me a high lift :D

why are you getting a highlift

you dont have sliders

or 4wd.... homo :D :D

yotaman

11-22-2007, 02:55 PM

why are you getting a highlift

you dont have sliders

or 4wd.... homo :D :DI'll trade him my truck - that way he can use that Hi-Lift.

HillBilly_Young01

11-22-2007, 03:59 PM

HillBilly_Young01

11-22-2007, 04:01 PM

I'll trade him my truck - that way he can use that Hi-Lift.

i would if i could but my parents wont let me trade mine for anything :mad: hell im goin to be pushin it if/when i get a beater seein how i still live at home and there are rules against havin something like that in our neighborhood.

but you could give me the hook up on that front end you cut off your rig, that is if you still got it.

misterzee

11-22-2007, 04:37 PM

hey Yotaman, I'm in cumming as well. 'love to see your shop and projects sometime. I'm not as brave as you but I do have a 22re under construction.

Nobody16

11-22-2007, 08:12 PM

why are you getting a highlift

you dont have sliders

or 4wd.... homo :D :D

b/c one would be very handy at the huntin camp for the tracktor and also i feel like its something that might come in very handy sometimes.

ive got a highlift. i got a bumper lift so that i can use it on my truck ( i dont have sliders(yet) OR 4wd either). i also got it to use for our trailers, at the hunting property, and whatever else i can find to use it on.

Yotaman, sorry to hijack the thread. back to the build....

misterzee

11-22-2007, 08:22 PM

I would like a highlift for crimas Jake! :-)

HillBilly_Young01

11-22-2007, 08:27 PM

I would like a highlift for crimas Jake! :-)

i want a runner from you :D

back on topic:

greg, you get that last pm i sent ya?

ATLRoach

11-22-2007, 09:01 PM

Yeah. I've found a few LOW LOW mileage 4.0's. I told Lori I was going to swap her 3.4 out for a 4.0 and she just looked at me and rolled her eyes.

Well find me one and I'll swap it into Dale's truck. I should have some cash in the next week to get started.

yotaman

11-22-2007, 09:50 PM

Well find me one and I'll swap it into Dale's truck. I should have some cash in the next week to get started.I've got a line on a 10,000 mile and 36,000 mile one.

ATLRoach

11-23-2007, 06:15 AM

Call me later and let me know on the price..

yotaman

11-23-2007, 06:22 AM

Call me later and let me know on the price..Will do. I just got back from shopping. :eek: That was insane. Got up at like 4:30 and had to fight for sheet. :whip: :dualing:

ATLRoach

11-23-2007, 06:58 AM

Damn man I wouldn't think you would get up this early unless you were working.

yotaman

11-23-2007, 07:08 AM

Damn man I wouldn't think you would get up this early unless you were working.Lori wanted a GPS thing so I went to staples to get and now I'm thinking I got the wrong one and could have just ordered one online thats better. Oh well.

yotaman

11-24-2007, 08:17 PM

I got a bunch or nuts and bolts ordered from McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) today. These will replace my differential studs and make it harder for them to back out or loosen up. This will do the same thing that Trail-Gears Differential Stud Eliminator Kit (http://trail-gear.com/toy-diffstud.html) does, but for less money (around $27.00), plus I get enough stuff to do 5 1/2 differentials. That comes out to less than $5 per differential plus you'll still have washers and nuts left over.

McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) #91239A428
Class 10.9 Stl Button Head Socket Cap Screw M8 Size, 30 mm Length, 1.25 mm Pitch

McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) #91166A270
Metric DIN 125 Zinc-Plated Steel Flat Washer M8 Screw Size, 8.4mm ID, 16mm OD, 1.4-1.8mm Thick

McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) #90685A04
Metric Class 10 Black Phosphate Steel Hex Nut M8 Screw Size, 1.25mm Pitch, 13mm W, 6.5mm H

McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) #91169A200
Metric Black Steel Spring Lock Washer M8 Screw Size, 8.5mm ID, 14.8mm OD, 1.9mm min Thk

If you've upgraded your Knuckle Felt Protectors using the Trail-Gear Rock-Ring Knuckle Felt Protectors (http://trail-gear.com/knuckle-service.html) like I did you'll need longer bolts or you're going to play hell getting the old ones to start because they're to short.

Here's what you need to make the job a little easier.

McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) #91280A326
Metric 8.8 Zinc-Pltd Steel Hex Head Cap Screw M6 Size, 16mm Length, 1mm Pitch, Fully Threaded

McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) #91169A180
Metric Black Steel Spring Lock Washer M6 Screw Size, 6.5mm ID, 11.8mm OD, 1.5mm min Thk

For less than $10.00 you'll have enough to do both sides plus 8 more. If you'd like to only buy enough for the job Ace Hardware sells them and It'll cost you around $6 for enough to do just both sides of one axle.

yotaman

11-24-2007, 08:30 PM

I also ordered some new Energy-Suspension Polyurethane Body Mount bushings from AutoZone for when I take out the body lift. I figured that would be the best time to upgrade those bushings - plus the kit comes with stock hardware.

Part Number for the black kit is: "8.4103G" and the price was $73.00. That's $12.00 cheaper than 4crawler.com plus no shipping charges if you go into the store and order the kit instead of online.

This same kit should fit all 1995.5 and up Extra-Cab Tacoma's.

Wheelin taco2131

11-24-2007, 09:16 PM

not much man! Your setup seems to be coming along nicely! I figured Christmas was coming up so instead of me fixing those seals, i would just finally do some gears. All South is gonna do the seals for free when they are in there. The truck is getting the 4.88's!

yotaman

11-24-2007, 09:20 PM

ATLRoach

11-25-2007, 10:55 AM

who is doin your gears?

When you learn to Read.. All South is doing his gears.

Phil88

11-26-2007, 07:04 PM

Great build. I love the low and mean wheeling look and feel. I don't know if you've thought about it yet but any worries about tire on spring rub. I know alot of soa guys rub like crazy with flex but maybe you got plans to prevent. GL

4inT100

11-27-2007, 06:30 AM

Care to share the steps for the line-lock when you get to throwin in on (if it's not already)? I've got a list of brake upgrades to go through and that's one of them.

yotaman

11-27-2007, 09:41 AM

Care to share the steps for the line-lock when you get to throwin in on (if it's not already)? I've got a list of brake upgrades to go through and that's one of them.Sure. It'll be a few days before I get around to that but I'll do a small right up on it.

Wheelin taco2131

11-27-2007, 05:35 PM

Cool. Whats the gear install costing you?

All south is AMAZING! I will be at $1100 out the door. No one else could do it less than $1477. I am buying the gears and masters $615 and then all south is charging $525 labor. This also includes a life time warranty!!!!!

I am pretty confident in them. I have had a few buddies get their gears done there, and they are all very happy.

I dont wanna jack your thread, but has anyone heard anything bad about em?

justinh

11-27-2007, 06:52 PM

Sure. It'll be a few days before I get around to that but I'll do a small right up on it.

Did you get my PM from the other day? I already have more parts to add :)

yotaman

11-27-2007, 06:56 PM

Did you get my PM from the other day? I already have more parts to add :)Yeah I got it. I've just been so busy. I'm almost positive I have the stuff you asked for in the PM. What else do you need?

justinh

11-27-2007, 07:02 PM

Yeah I got it. I've just been so busy. I'm almost positive I have the stuff you asked for in the PM. What else do you need?

Driver's seat belt if you have it.

4inT100

11-27-2007, 07:46 PM

Driver's seat belt if you have it.

Going back to the original, or putting together another truck from parts?

Can't wait to see how the SUA handles the trails next to a SOA.

justinh

11-27-2007, 07:50 PM

Going back to the original, or putting together another truck from parts?

Can't wait to see how the SUA handles the trails next to a SOA.

Nope, he has a wrecked 96 4runner he bought for the drivetrain and I need some interior parts for the one I just bought.

4inT100

11-27-2007, 08:43 PM

o rly?

justinh

11-27-2007, 08:57 PM

o rly?

Really? Why, you want stuff from it to?

gregers05

11-27-2007, 08:59 PM

Can't wait to see how the SUA handles the trails next to a SOA.

x2

yotaman

11-27-2007, 09:03 PM

I think it'll wheel just fine. If Tellico is still open next year I'll do all the big boy trails.

4inT100

11-27-2007, 09:23 PM

Really? Why, you want stuff from it to?

Depends on what's left.

In all reality, I've got too many projects that I can't even get them all done without outside help.

justinh

11-28-2007, 07:08 AM

Depends on what's left.

In all reality, I've got too many projects that I can't even get them all done without outside help.

I know how that goes. I hope to have the motor back together in my 88 tomorrow and it looks like I am finally going to pick-up my 5.29 3rds on Sunday. I am going to take the day off work tomorrow and just get it done (engine wise), I am sick of working on it in the dark after work. Then I will turn my attention towards cleaning up the 1996 I bought, it is mechanically sound but has some little things I want to tidy up.

Plus I have a mile long list of honey-do's at home with the new house.

4inT100

11-28-2007, 07:18 AM

yeah, just seeing the changes going on with this truck makes me wish I had a welder more and more. Kinda hard to attach spring mounts to the frame with thought.

Keep on wrenchin!

ATLRoach

11-28-2007, 08:12 AM

John come up with a 220v outlet and you can use mine.

4inT100

11-28-2007, 08:21 AM

yeah, I've got to wait till after the IRS gives me the money they've been stealing.

yotaman

12-01-2007, 11:53 PM

I got the body mount bushings and my obddiagnostics.com cable for my laptop (so I can read OBD2 codes and stuff) last week. The cable/software is cool. It'll even tell me my miles per gallon.

I'm still waiting on Bud to get my tierod and drag link made. He's been trying to get his lathe up and working for weeks now. :banghead:

I'm going to Pull a Part tomorrow to get some rear calipers to try and do my rear disk brake conversion. I'm going to figure out a way to get some Camry, Supra or Avalon e-brake calipers to work on the Tacoma.

jh3

12-05-2007, 05:39 PM

You are a bad influance

yotaman

12-05-2007, 05:55 PM

You are a bad influance

:D :saw: :welder: I talked to Kyle today. You got a new build up thread?

crawlrunner

12-05-2007, 06:08 PM

You are a bad influance

Huhhh? U been cuttin up stuff and I haint seen no pics sept for Ur avatar @TN!

Anyway, SUA ... 35s ... interesting concept ...

SUA=very, very tough & low CG ... I'll be following this build :saw: :welder:

yotaman

12-05-2007, 06:14 PM

I'm thinking I'm going to build a front bumper to hold a Warn 8274 winch. I really like these winches and they're rock solid.

I have one in the garage but need to find another one so I'll have one the the Tacoma and one for the beater. If anyone runs across one that needs some TLC let me know. I'll take one in any kind of shape if the price is right.

I'm also going to use a 3.0 radiator in the Tacoma because they don't hang down like the Tacoma 3.4 ones do. Using the 3.0 one will allow me to keep the radiator up and away from rocks. I think it's a direct bolt in swap but I still need to measure to make sure.

I have a 3.0 radiator in my 3.4 swapped 4Runner and it doesn't run hot or anything.

yotaman

12-05-2007, 06:17 PM

Anyway, SUA ... 35s ... interesting concept ...

SUA=very, very tough & low CG ... I'll be following this build :saw: :welder:I'm excited to get it done and wheel it. It might be my DD but that doesn't mean I'm not planning to beat the chit out of it.

jh3

12-06-2007, 03:52 AM

:D :saw: :welder: I talked to Kyle today. You got a new build up thread?

No thread yet. I tried to wait and keep the IFS for now...that didnt work.

I'll be turning Kyle's old front into a driver drop to put under my taco. It'll prolly be spring before I start cutting the truck though.

HillBilly_Young01

12-06-2007, 04:24 AM

Wheelin taco2131

12-06-2007, 05:17 AM

i saw you yesterday in front of my school Greg. I wasnt in my truck though so you didnt see me.

yotaman

12-06-2007, 02:57 PM

No thread yet. I tried to wait and keep the IFS for now...that didnt work.

I'll be turning Kyle's old front into a driver drop to put under my taco. It'll prolly be spring before I start cutting the truck though.Thats more work than it's worth. I thought about doing that but I'd say it's not worth it. Just go duals for $700 and move the exhaust over some and be golden. :D

i saw you yesterday in front of my school Greg. I wasnt in my truck though so you didnt see me.I was heading to Pull-a-Part to find some calipers to do my rear disk brake swap. I didn't buy anything but managed to get a damn speeding ticket on the way home. :xsmokin1: :banghead:

I'll do a write up on what I figured out for the rear disk brakes when I get to that point. I think I figured out a way to have mechanical e-brakes in the caliper plus the swap can be done for less than a transfer case e-brake setup using brand new crap from autozone.

yotaman

12-06-2007, 03:03 PM

Here's what I've figure out on the radiator.

V6 3.0 Radiator
Height = 19.125"
Thickness = 2.000"
Width = 20.750"
Cubic Inches = 793"

1997 Tacoma V6 3.4 Radiator
Height = 22.625"
Thickness = 1.000"
Width = 25.625"
Cubic Inches = 579"

The 3.0 V6 radiator is bigger by over 200 cubic inches. No wonder my 3.4 in the swapped truck runs cooler than other 3.4's. With a bracket I can make the 3.0 work in the Tacoma.

jh3

12-06-2007, 05:27 PM

Thats more work than it's worth. I thought about doing that but I'd say it's not worth it. Just go duals for $700 and move the exhaust over some and be golden. :D

I want to do it. I have $$ tied up in my Tranny/case already and dont want to lose it and I reall y just want to do it. It seems to be perty straight forward...cut/turn knuckles, and modify the center a bit, nothing I cant handle...I am a fabricator :)

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196490&highlight=flipped+housing

yotaman

12-06-2007, 05:40 PM

I want to do it. I have $$ tied up in my Tranny/case already and dont want to lose it and I reall y just want to do it. It seems to be perty straight forward...cut/turn knuckles, and modify the center a bit, nothing I cant handle...I am a fabricator :)

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196490&highlight=flipped+housingI'm not saying it's hard just a pain. :saw: I just didn't see it as being worth it sense I wanted dual cases.

I plan to build a rear steer buggy one day for my daughter then I'll flip a toy axle but it'll be an 80 axle. :D

jh3

12-06-2007, 06:39 PM

I really wanted to do an 80 front, but didnt want to deal with the steering on leaf's. Speaking of 80's though... I need a 55/60/62/80 steering box in good shape, and ideas?

yotaman

12-06-2007, 07:27 PM

I really wanted to do an 80 front, but didnt want to deal with the steering on leaf's. Speaking of 80's though... I need a 55/60/62/80 steering box in good shape, and ideas?I've got one but it's going on the beater when I link the 80 axle under it. I might be able to find you one. They're not cheap. I'm going to cut up a pickup (for the beater cab modifications - 4 door pickup :welder: ) at a yard in a few days and they have an 80 there. I'll see if the box is still on it.

yotaman

12-06-2007, 07:32 PM

I almost forgot Bud from BudBuilt called me tonight to tell me he got the damn lathe working and that he's making my tierod and draglink. They should be here Monday. :xcrazy: :xsmokin1:

I also got my Maxxis Bighorns today to.

jh3

12-07-2007, 06:35 AM

cool, let me know on the box i'll be a kiles next week.

Oh, and i love my bighorns so far...very good all round tire.

-josh

yotaman

12-07-2007, 10:43 PM

I've been thinking about how to mount the 8274 winch and modifying the grill to get the winch a little closer to the body.

I'm going to do the "Satoshi" grill mod but cut the lower left part of the grill off to get the winch closer to the radiator, then mount an old school 80's real Toyota emblem in the lower right corner.

http://blueherp.com/tacoma/grill.jpg

Real Toyota emblem.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/emblem.JPG

For anyone that doesn't know what an 8274 winch looks like.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/winch.jpg

gregers05

12-07-2007, 11:11 PM

jh3

12-08-2007, 05:51 PM

Couple steering questions.....

What are you doing for a HP line from pump to box?

And what is the longest usable length of the hybrid shaft?

yotaman

12-08-2007, 08:01 PM

Couple steering questions.....

What are you doing for a HP line from pump to box?

And what is the longest usable length of the hybrid shaft?Plan is to use stock Tacoma line.

It's around 25" extended but you could probably get another 1" if needed. It's 21" compressed and I might have to cut it some to make it work for me after taking out the 3" body lift.

jh3

12-09-2007, 06:38 AM

How you going to use the stock HP line? Its way to short on the 3.4. I'm wondering if a 3.0 pre taco line will work? I know the fittings should but what about the length?

Thanks on the shaft #'s, hopefully it will work with an IFS box also......we'll see.

-Josh

yotaman

12-09-2007, 08:37 AM

jh3

12-09-2007, 11:37 AM

Let us know what you find out. If there is a way to use a OEM toyota part in this swap I want to do that.

yotaman

12-09-2007, 03:21 PM

Let us know what you find out. If there is a way to use a OEM toyota part in this swap I want to do that.I've got 80, 60, IFS V6, IFS 4 cylinder, and Solid 4 cylinder stuff around so I'll figure it out. What did you use the first time you swapped your regular cab Tacoma?

yotaman

12-09-2007, 03:28 PM

It was a really nice day today so I got a lot done.

1. I cleaned my garage (started it yesterday). That sucked but it needed to be done.
2. Got the bed off the truck and into the garage so I can bob it.
3. Got the rear taken apart. The previous owner had 3 1/2" lift blocks :rolleyes: and some spacers on the rear axle - the lug nuts on the spacers were not even tight. :eek: I'm so glade this truck never say the road after the last owner touched it. It would have killed someone.
4. Got the front off jack stands and on it's weight finally. Frame to ground measurement is 21". It locks so little now. I've gotten use to seeing it 10' in the air.
5. I'm going to start cutting the bed up tonight. I need to know the measurements of a double cab bed. I'm going to drive around the wal-mart parking lot looking for a double cab to measure it unless you guys know the measurements for sure. :D

yotaman

12-09-2007, 03:32 PM

Searching the net, it looks as if the double cab bed = 61.5". Guys please correct me if I'm wrong.

HillBilly_Young01

12-09-2007, 03:56 PM

Searching the net, it looks as if the double cab bed = 61.5". Guys please correct me if I'm wrong.

i just did a quick measurement of mine, got 62"-63" area when i measured mine.

yotaman

12-09-2007, 07:12 PM

i just did a quick measurement of mine, got 62"-63" area when i measured mine.I need from tip to tip front to back.

http://blueherp.com/rearleafs/mes.jpg

I need from outside to outside of the bed. From the cab to the tailgate.

HillBilly_Young01

12-09-2007, 07:16 PM

I need from tip to tip front to back.

http://blueherp.com/rearleafs/mes.jpg

I need from outside to outside of the bed. From the cab to the tailgate.

cool. i stuck one end of the tape on the back of the cab and stretched it to the tail lights and thats what i got. hope it helps.

yotaman

12-09-2007, 07:21 PM

So the inside measurements must be 61.5.

jh3

12-09-2007, 08:07 PM

I've got 80, 60, IFS V6, IFS 4 cylinder, and Solid 4 cylinder stuff around so I'll figure it out. What did you use the first time you swapped your regular cab Tacoma? It was a 2.7l so the line bolted straight into the IFS box (pump on the drivers side) Its the length, not the fittings that cause the issue on the 3.4l.

All my buddys used an aftermarket earl's fitting's deal (50-75.00) but I want to keep everything yota I can (and i'm a cheap ass)

You wouldnt happen to have a extra 60 steering shaft would ya?

yotaman

12-09-2007, 08:22 PM

It was a 2.7l so the line bolted straight into the IFS box (pump on the drivers side) Its the length, not the fittings that cause the issue on the 3.4l.

All my buddys used an aftermarket earl's fitting's deal (50-75.00) but I want to keep everything yota I can (and i'm a cheap ass)

You wouldnt happen to have a extra 60 steering shaft would ya?The V6 power steering hose is long. I think It'll work but if not I'll figure out a stock Toyota route. I'm the king of cheap ass's (at least that's what Lori tells me).

I don't have another 60 steering shaft. They're hard to find. Might wanna post in the wanted section over on Ih8mud.com.

yotaman

12-09-2007, 08:48 PM

Double Cab Bed = 62.75"
Extra Cab Bed = 76"

I'll be chopping 13.25" off the bed. Is it worth the work? Sure why not.

gregers05

12-09-2007, 09:00 PM

phil has his bed bobbed to dcab length, maybe you can PM him just to double check.

yotaman

12-09-2007, 09:04 PM

phil has his bed bobbed to dcab length, maybe you can PM him just to double check.I'll PM to double check. I found a Double Cab truck down the street and measured the bed.

gregers05

12-09-2007, 09:06 PM

I'll PM to double check. I found a Double Cab truck down the street and measured the bed.

lol that will work too

yotaman

12-10-2007, 02:56 PM

Look what I got today. I finally have steering. :xsmokin1:
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/steering.jpg

Here's a picture of the bed before I bob it tonight. It'll be 13" shorter tomorrow. :D The orange line represents the back of a double cab bed.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed1.jpg

ATLRoach

12-10-2007, 03:18 PM

Damn bud got it knocked out!

Talk to Josh(Jh3) about bed bobs. He's junk always comes out super super clean.

yotaman

12-10-2007, 03:45 PM

Damn bud got it knocked out!

Talk to Josh(Jh3) about bed bobs. He's junk always comes out super super clean.Yeah he finally got them done.

Ordered some more shit today. Got my retro Toyota emblem on it's way. I found a salvage yard that had a grille with a good emblem on it.

I order my wheels. I went with a Discount Tire wheel. It looks like Cragar Soft 8's. I went with a 10 wheel sense this truck will see more street than off-road. They say the 10" wheel will make the tires wear better than an 8". We'll see, hope it was worth it. I also got 4 road hazard certificates. I told them the tires would see sharp rocks and that I guaranteed it that they would replace at least 2 of the tires and they said no problem.

Here's the wheels:
http://www.discounttire.com/product/wheels/uni297.b.ang.jpg

yotaman

12-10-2007, 08:33 PM

Well I f@wked up a perfectly good bed tonight. Now let's just hope I can fix it and make it look nice. I have to say that SUCKED ASS. I'd rather f@wk with suspension crap than cut up a bed.

http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed2.jpg
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed3.jpg
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed4.jpg

link817

12-10-2007, 09:04 PM

looks like your doing pretty well w/ the bed. are you going to dove tail it while you have cut apart?

yotaman

12-10-2007, 09:33 PM

looks like your doing pretty well w/ the bed. are you going to dove tail it while you have cut apart?Thanks. I got a lot of the paint off should be ready to weld tomorrow.

No dove tail this will be my DD so I need some bed space.

GOT COPE?

12-10-2007, 11:08 PM

GOT COPE?

12-10-2007, 11:08 PM

No dove tail this will be my DD so I need some bed space.

Smart man. :D

jh3

12-11-2007, 03:48 AM

I'd rather f@wk with suspension crap than cut up a bed. I'm just the opp. I would rather fab/body work than turn a wrench any day...I HATE the wrenching end of the sport

:saw: :welder:

gregers05

12-11-2007, 11:43 AM

Whatever you do, dont dovetail it! :banghead:

oh come on, it didnt turn out that bad. did you ever get it bedlinered?

link817

12-11-2007, 02:27 PM

so why are you now against dove tailing a truck??

yotaman

12-11-2007, 03:01 PM

Smart man. :DYou ever post any pictures of the bob dovetail?

TRoss

12-11-2007, 04:37 PM

yotaman

12-11-2007, 09:39 PM

Lookin' good Yotaman, gotta have some guts to cut it up like that!! :D Keep us posted...

I'd looooove to do a minimal bob/dovetail to my old truck... but it'll have to wait.

Hey Jh3, where'd the runner go anyway? Saw the rig at SETO but I never saw any pics of it after the dovetail. That was a coooool build up.Some would call it guts, some say having balls, but my woman would call it stupidity. :xsmokin1: I like the think of it as having "MUCHOS HUEVOS". :xpimp:

Got some of the bed welded back up. This is what you guys have to look forward to - the ones that wanna bob there bed - tack, tack, tack, s#!t (burn through), tack, tack, tack, tack, tack, damn it (burn through), tack, tack, tack, I'm going to bed. :D

EDIT: almost forgot BUY LOTS OF CUT OFF WHEELS. I ran out so that's why I called it a night. Sheet metal eats cut off wheels like candy.

STOMPER

12-12-2007, 05:15 PM

gotta have some guts to cut it up like that!! :D

My old short bus.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/jrs2930/MyTacoma.jpg

yotaman

12-12-2007, 07:30 PM

Question for the guys that have bobded there bed. Did you guys tack everything solid or just get enougth tacks to make it good and move on to filler?

STOMPER

12-12-2007, 08:03 PM

I didn't do the one I had I got it from Tom Banse but I do know he tacked the whole thing. I may bob my runner and if I do Ill tack the whole thing.

TRoss

12-12-2007, 08:42 PM

My old short bus.

Shweeet

That's my plan. It just sucks. Lots of burn through, plus my lines don't line up very good. I hate body work. This will be my last bed bob. I'm even rethinking about cutting up my 4Runner.

BONDO!! :D

yotaman

12-12-2007, 09:29 PM

BONDO!! :DFor sure!

What did you guys do with the inside. Grind it down and paint it or bondo it and make it look pretty to? I was thinking about cutting an over the rail bed liner and putting it in or if I can find a good deal on Line-X. Anyone know were to get it done cheap? What about that do it yourself stuff, anyone tried that?

Here's a picture of the bed back together. :D
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed5.jpg

jh3

12-13-2007, 03:48 AM

I tacked mine every 1/2-1/4" and called it good on everyone I have done. I do always put a backer material of some sort behind the seem and weld the inside completely.

Taco.....12"

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e37/33JJ/fyilgfiuy001.jpg

runner......14"

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e37/33JJ/87%20sas/seto2007010b.jpg

4inT100

12-13-2007, 05:39 AM

What about that do it yourself stuff, anyone tried that?

I just got done putting it on the inside and the hood and rockers etc etc of my 83. Just clean wipe and roll. For <$100 if you fowl (yes, fowl :) -cope edit ) it up, the pros should still be able to remove it.

yotaman

12-13-2007, 06:28 AM

I tacked mine every 1/2-1/4" and called it good on everyone I have done. I do always put a backer material of some sort behind the seem and weld the inside completely.I put a backer behind everything. Sense my lines were not perfect that was the only way to tack some of the bed back together.

ATLRoach

12-13-2007, 10:06 AM

There is a spray on Ebay that works pretty damn good.

Blitanicle99

12-13-2007, 11:34 AM

yotaman

12-13-2007, 01:18 PM

Bed is fully welded. It's ready for bondo and paint on the outside.

4inT100

12-13-2007, 01:23 PM

Bed is fully welded. It's ready for bondo and paint on the outside.

slow day at the shop?

yotaman

12-13-2007, 01:24 PM

Line-X = about $415.00 for over the rail on a double cab lenght bed. Anyone know were to get it cheaper? I called the 3 dealers linex.com has listed.

yotaman

12-13-2007, 01:29 PM

slow day at the shop?I got up early to go install some cameras this morning but was told to stay home today. So I've just been hanging out.

I have to say I really like what an extra cab bed looks like with 13" cut out of it. I really think the pain in the ass part was worth it. Now I just have to make it look decent. :rolleyes:

I've been trying to decide what to do with inside of the bed. Maybe just cut up a drop in bed liner so it covers up the inside. It's hard to get the inside ground smooth because of the dimples in the bottom of the bed.

yotaman

12-13-2007, 01:30 PM

I just got done putting it on the inside and the hood and rockers etc etc of my 83. Just clean wipe and roll. For <$100 if you fowl it up, the pros should still be able to remove it.Got any pictures of what the stuff looks like applied?

4inT100

12-13-2007, 01:35 PM

Got any pictures of what the stuff looks like applied?

I'll take some when I get home.

I used herculiner for the floor of my truck. Cost was $80-90 with tax. Came with brush, roller, two roller pad thingies, and a gallon of the black stuff. Used a wire wheel to get rid of as much rust and crud as possible. Wiped with acetone.

Directions say to dab on with a brush for all the corners and tough to get areas. Then roll that s#!t awn. Wait a couple hours then roll it on again. I think I used about a half a gallon with what I did. Best part is, you can basically make it as thick as you want. By putting multiple coats on (recommended was 2)

4inT100

12-13-2007, 01:36 PM

Heck, I'll dig the rest out of the trash can and you can have it if you want.

yotaman

12-13-2007, 02:19 PM

Heck, I'll dig the rest out of the trash can and you can have it if you want.Golly-durn I'll give it a try.

4inT100

12-13-2007, 03:12 PM

here it is on the tailgate. None of the other pictures came out well, glare from the flash and the garage lights.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/Adontain/000_0095.jpg

I tried to scratch it with a screwdriver. It wasn't hard to do, but since it's kinda rubbery it healed up. Of course I did zero prep and only one coat.

yotaman

12-13-2007, 03:20 PM

4inT100

12-13-2007, 03:38 PM

Doesn't look to bad.

It does it's job - keep rust from getting out of hand. If it were my DD I would go with LineX or something...but for the same price I can put down many coats of this stuff and can do a touch up with the smaller cans

yotaman

12-13-2007, 04:57 PM

I need body filler recommendations. Is Bondo as bad as everyone says. It's the only thing I can find around here.

STOMPER

12-13-2007, 06:48 PM

I've been trying to decide what to do with inside of the bed. Maybe just cut up a drop in bed liner so it covers up the inside. It's hard to get the inside ground smooth because of the dimples in the bottom of the bed.

Rubber matt

yotaman

12-13-2007, 06:59 PM

Rubber mattThat's another option. My problem is I'm a perfectionist and the bob just didn't turn out like I expected so I'm trying to make the best of it.

My woman says for me to just shut up about it and move on that it looks fine and that it's functional and that's what matters.

silvertoy

12-13-2007, 08:27 PM

My old short bus.

Another pic of the short bus. I always admired that bed bob, very well done.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2130/jamesbv7.jpg

GOT COPE?

12-14-2007, 12:01 AM

oh come on, it didnt turn out that bad. did you ever get it bedlinered?

still working on it. :rolleyes:

so why are you now against dove tailing a truck??

Im not. :D I love mine, just wish I could find the time (energy?) to finish it.

You ever post any pictures of the bob dovetail?

Yep. Unfinished pics. Basically the full res. version of my avatar.

Line-X = about $415.00 for over the rail on a double cab lenght bed. Anyone know were to get it cheaper? I called the 3 dealers linex.com has listed.

Lawrenceville Line-X tell'em you heard about a deal for $350. Tell them your bed is bobbed. Let me know what happens.

STOMPER

12-14-2007, 07:40 AM

Another pic of the short bus. I always admired that bed bob, very well done.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2130/jamesbv7.jpg

You got more pics of the truck than I got. I loved that truck, I guess it's cause it was my first and only new truck.

silvertoy

12-14-2007, 10:47 AM

For sure!

I was thinking about cutting an over the rail bed liner and putting it in or if I can find a good deal on Line-X. Anyone know were to get it done cheap? What about that do it yourself stuff, anyone tried that?

Alpharetta Line-X did mine for $350, over the rail.....back in 2003? I think under the rail was $300. They did an excellent job and have no complaints.

Marshytaco

12-14-2007, 11:20 AM

I need body filler recommendations. Is Bondo as bad as everyone says. It's the only thing I can find around here.

Bondo is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be as long as it is used correctly. Just make sure you prep the surface really well or else it might not stick. Read the directions and follow them carefully and you should be fine. The only option I know of short of lead, is fiberglass, but it won't work in all situations, but it is strong if you can use. I say go with the Bondo and use it correctly and I don't think you'll have any problems.

04 Rocko Taco

12-14-2007, 11:26 AM

beleive it or not...... (ODD I know) When we were making Custom boxes and body parts for our shop (RPM Pro Audio) we used fiberglass resin and Bondo for our base coat.
Later on it became Resin and sheetrock mud. Which sanded much easier, and turned out to be just as hard if not harder in the end. :)

4inT100

12-14-2007, 11:39 AM

Problem with Bondo is that people try to use it to fix dents instead of imperfections like it's supposed to be. I think you'll be fine. I've used it to do some finishing on a deck railing before.

yotaman

12-15-2007, 09:44 PM

I must be body filler retard. I've done everything the label says and my s#!t just peels right off. I'm going to try letting this s#!t sit for 24 hours. But man I'm getting sick of body work fast. I'm about ready to say f@wk it and junk the bed and just make a damn flat bed :D

yotaman

12-16-2007, 09:30 AM

I think I figured it out. I guess I wasn't putting enough harder in it.

HillBilly_Young01

12-16-2007, 10:35 AM

4inT100

12-16-2007, 11:15 AM

remember..it's supposed to change from grey to pink or whatever color the hardener is

yotaman

12-16-2007, 12:01 PM

I have evercoat brand. The filler is green and the harder is blue.

yotaman

12-16-2007, 04:09 PM

The bed is almost ready for primer. I have to say this is not to bad once you get the hang of it.

The keys I've learned today are - thin layers are a good thing. I put a thin layer on sand it down then another layer then sand then layer and so on. I'd say it's coming out decent. I'm going to sand this last layer then call it good if there's no real pits. I'll get you guys some pictures later.

Body filler eats sand paper like crazy.

yotaman

12-16-2007, 06:48 PM

Body filler is done. Here's a couple of pictures. I have to say I'm starting to like this stuff. You get the hang of working with it and it's not bad.

http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed6.jpg
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/bed7.jpg

ATLRoach

12-16-2007, 07:21 PM

Greg that turned out sick! How much have you used so far?

yotaman

12-16-2007, 08:51 PM

Not much at all. I like it a lot. I'm painting it right now.

yotaman

12-16-2007, 08:53 PM

I'm going to try the $50 roll on paint job some time down the road.

Interlux makes a roll on boat paint that a few guys in the national TTORA board have used.

I like the 2 squared colors. I'm a big fan of gray but I really like that blue.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/paint.jpg

yotaman

12-16-2007, 10:21 PM

For some reason the body filler shows through the primer. Anyone have any ideas why.

EDIT: from my reading it seems body filler soaks up the first few coats of paint.

yotaman

12-16-2007, 11:17 PM

I've been doing some reading up on the $50 Paint Job mod online and really like the idea.

Here's a website with some good info: http://rollyourcar.com/default.aspx

ATLRoach

12-17-2007, 06:59 AM

You see this one?
http://www.rickwrench.com/index79master.htm?http://www.rickwrench.com/50dollarpaint.html

You should paint it the Gray or the color of the stripe i posted above.

TRoss

12-17-2007, 07:41 AM

For some reason the body filler shows through the primer. Anyone have any ideas why.

EDIT: from my reading it seems body filler soaks up the first few coats of paint.

Prime, sand; prime, sand; prime, sand... yeah, it's a pain.
You gonna take care of that dent while your at it?

Gerdo

12-17-2007, 12:09 PM

The pro Line-X and such are thicker then the Hurc that you roll on. But if you apply it right, scotchbrite the surface, it'll last. My son and I did his Jeep tub. The first coat will be thin. I wouldn't expect one coat to cover. It doesn't take much to do three or more coats, it is worth it. The first coat will use more then the next two. It may not be as good as the pro stuff but for a $100 it's not bad.

yotaman

12-18-2007, 07:40 PM

Got my tires mounted on some wheels today. I decided to go with some 15x8 aluminum rims. I really don't like the look of 10" wheels.

They're definately bling bling :boobies: :blingb:

Truck is almost streetable again. Just a little more :saw: and :welder:

ATLRoach

12-18-2007, 09:17 PM

What you got left to do?

yotaman

12-18-2007, 09:35 PM

Cover steering hole in firewall. Shocks all around. Remove body lift. Cut frame. There's some more I can't think of. Not much. I need to make a better list so I can get the little s#!t finished up next week.

yotaman

12-18-2007, 09:37 PM

Almost forgot. Put motor back together. Power steering pump, alternator, belts, radiator that kind of stuff.

jh3

12-19-2007, 03:50 AM

Dont forget the HP line to the box ;)

yotaman

12-19-2007, 06:55 AM

Dont forget the HP line to the box ;)That to.

jh3

12-19-2007, 06:44 PM

Anyone have any ideas.

Previous owners hack job

yotaman

12-19-2007, 06:50 PM

Previous owners hack job:rolleyes: yeah

4inT100

12-19-2007, 06:57 PM

checked both fuse box locations?

"integration relay" seems to be the only thing that seems common so far. I'll keep looking at the diagrams

yotaman

12-19-2007, 07:03 PM

checked both fuse box locations?

"integration relay" seems to be the only thing that seems common so far. I'll keep looking at the diagramsYeah I pulled all the fuses under the hood and under the dash. I know on the older trucks there are fuses located in other places.

Where is the integration relay, under the hood?

EDIT: I found the IR. It's the fuses box under the dash correct?

4inT100

12-19-2007, 07:08 PM

not sure..looks like it could be some made up thing. All the fuseable links looked good (the big square fuses)?

yotaman

12-19-2007, 07:48 PM

not sure..looks like it could be some made up thing. All the fuseable links looked good (the big square fuses)?They look good.

I'm glade I like to f@wk with wiring. There's a Viper system wired in the truck and the wires are just taped everywhere. :rolleyes: I really hate when people are lazy and just f@wk s#!t up.

yotaman

12-19-2007, 07:54 PM

Here's a list of what works.

Dome light
High and low beam head lights.
Side door lights (inside)
Door buzzer
Hazard lights

Short list of some shit that doesn't work.

None of the gauge lights (check engine, brake, abs, etc.)
Heater blower
Power windows/door locks
Blinkers
Window wipers

So basically anything that works off the ignition.

All I can say is GOOD TIMES!

4inT100

12-19-2007, 08:14 PM

So basically anything that works off the ignition.

All I can say is GOOD TIMES!

It worked before this right? I'm always better when it's in front of me. Good Luck!

yotaman

12-19-2007, 08:31 PM

It worked before this right? I'm always better when it's in front of me. Good Luck!The truck ran and started fine when I purchased it. Haven't done anything electrical to it.

It's damn cold outside. I swapped all the main (square fuses) to make sure they were good and they are fine. It has to be something with the ignition. I'm going to finish removing the Viper Security system tomorrow and try to get back to stock then work from there.

4inT100

12-20-2007, 05:24 AM

I would assume you've got a haynes/chiltons/FSM manual. I've never had luck with the for electrical. It's always been something I have to trace out in person.

Could the ignition switch actually be bad?

yotaman

12-20-2007, 02:26 PM

Problem solved. It was the main 80 amp fuse. The top was still connected on the fuse so it must of shorted down in the fuse were I couldn't see it.

After looking over the FSM wiring diagrams for about 2 hours last night I decided it had to be that fuse so I just said f@wk it and purchased a new one. Four dollars and a few minutes solved the problem. Replacing that fuse is a pain because you have to take the fuse box apart to get to the 2 screws that hold it in.

Now I just have to figure out how to get the truck in my garage so I can work on it during the rain and at night. I need this truck finished and drivable.

yotaman

12-20-2007, 02:31 PM

Just so you guys can get a good laugh I'll tell you what happened after I replaced the fuse.

I replaced the fuse. Hooked the cables back up to the battery and checked to see if everything worked. I left the keys in the ignition and closed the doors. Well I guess the Viper system decided it needed to lock the doors. It took me an hour to find the damn remote for it. I was about to ask you guys what the best way was to break into my truck. :D

justinh

12-20-2007, 02:33 PM

yotaman

12-20-2007, 03:12 PM

you are a patient man....at about 20 minutes I would have been breaking something if all my other attempts to get in failed.It crossed my mind to break s#!t. Right after it happened I just stood back and :lmao: .

yotaman

12-20-2007, 05:38 PM

Truck is making it's way to the garage. To get my garage door to close I have to chop the frame right at the shackle hanger. :saw:

EDIT: truck is in the garage.:boobies: :woot:

yotaman

12-20-2007, 08:43 PM

Well I decided to go ahead and box the frame. :rolleyes: I just can't stop. I figure it'll be worth the effort. Going to buy lots of steel tomorrow. Enough to box frame and to make my rear bumper.

yotaman

12-20-2007, 08:51 PM

Not much room in the garage.
http://blueherp.com/tacoma/rear.jpg

But it's nice to have some heat and to get out of the rain/wind/cold. :D

4inT100

12-20-2007, 09:39 PM

yotaman

12-20-2007, 10:20 PM

I've got $100 says you can't get my Tundra in the garage. ;)

Being able to work during torrential down pours is almost like laughing at God....I say almost because God could still send the lightning to your tool and to your DOOM!!!LOL - true.

I've got maybe 2 feet in front of it if I cleaned all the Toyota parts up and moved the fridge. I for sure can't get a Tundra in there. I've tried getting my Moms in there and it will not fit by a looooong way.

TRoss

12-21-2007, 06:24 AM

Well I decided to go ahead and box the frame. :rolleyes: I just can't stop. I figure it'll be worth the effort. Going to buy lots of steel tomorrow. Enough to box frame and to make my rear bumper.

Smart :kewl: some folks have had frame issues w/their Taco's. I like the box over plate method. Thing is you have to dig down a lot further to box and since you had your bed off anyway... well... it's just smart.

Enjoying the build... :xpopcorn2
(keep in mind we have young readers) - not to be confused w/Matt Young! :p

ATLRoach

12-21-2007, 07:20 AM

Greg only you that would happen to . What you got planned for Sunday? I can swing by and give a hand if you need it.

yotaman

12-21-2007, 09:17 AM

Smart :kewl: some folks have had frame issues w/their Taco's. I like the box over plate method. Thing is you have to dig down a lot further to box and since you had your bed off anyway... well... it's just smart.

Enjoying the build... :xpopcorn2
(keep in mind we have young readers) - not to be confused w/Matt Young! :pI'll turn down the profanity. I get used to reading and hanging out on Pirate.

yotaman

12-21-2007, 02:58 PM

Body mount bushings have been replaced and the 3" body lift has been removed. What a pain in the butt. I removed the 3" body lift and put in a 1 1/4" body lift in. This will allow me to clock my cases and get a flat belly. I cut the 3" body pucks down and used them instead of buying more pucks. If you have a table saw it's easy to cut body lift pucks in half.

yotaman

12-21-2007, 06:16 PM

More stuff done today.

1. I busted my knee with my big a$$ breaker bar. :eek: Dang it hurts like hell.
2. I now have rear brakes. :boobies: I got the stock Toyota rear brake thing removed and my proportioning valve installed.

It's easy to get the PV installed. Buy some 10" long 3/16" size brake line and cut the fittings off. Now make 2 new lines - you need them to have the stock Toyota fitting on one end and the 3/16" domestic fitting on the other end.

TRoss

12-21-2007, 08:00 PM

I like the location of that PV, lemme know how it works out. Are metric ported PVs not available? I gotta get one soon....

I just put a 1" MC on my old truck (Marlin had em' on sale) and it's remedied a long peddle issue I had but bias is off. I dumped the LSPV too with a plan to go disco-duck rears on an IFS axel, axle... uh, rear end.

Anyway, looks like your working like a mad man!! Gitter-done!! :D

yotaman

12-22-2007, 10:19 AM

Well I can barely walk today. So I guess I might have busted my knee up worst than I thought. :D

TRoss

12-22-2007, 04:03 PM

Uh oh... rub some dirt on it... jk.
Hope it stops hurtin' soon!

yotaman

12-22-2007, 04:16 PM

Uh oh... rub some dirt on it... jk.
Hope it stops hurtin' soon!:D or some grease. I just played lazy today. I'll get back to work on the truck tonight or tomorrow. Knee is a little better.

Lesson learned: When pulling with all your weight on a nut with a 3 foot heavy a$$ breaker bar keep your limbs out of the way in case it slips. :eek: :xsmokin1: I have a lot of lessons for working on trucks. I could write a book.

ATLRoach

12-22-2007, 07:45 PM

Learn to start using an impact.. This helps. I have learned from mine.

yotaman

12-22-2007, 09:28 PM

Learn to start using an impact.. This helps. I have learned from mine.I tried. My gun sucks, it won't break stuff lose. I'm getting a really nice one for x-mas. I just have to wait a couple more days.

4inT100

12-23-2007, 06:23 AM

haha. I was doing pullups on my transmission drain plug friday. kinda fun, kinda scary...some things are just easier with an impact.

yotaman

12-23-2007, 06:58 PM

Didn't get crap done today either. Ended up doing family stuff then got drug to lake lanier islands to look at a bunch or damn lights.

yotaman

12-23-2007, 08:52 PM

Been doing research on the power steering crap. If it's long enough a power steering hose off an old SA truck might work.

Here's a picture. Does anyone know if the power steering pump is on the left or right side of the motor on those trucks?
http://www.autozone.com/images/products/pwc/pwc71260003.jpg

EDIT: never mind. I looked at my 22re powered truck and the PSP is on the driver side so it'll be to short. I wish I'd started this PS stuff earlier it's going to be the last thing and hold my ass up on driving the truck.

yotaman

12-23-2007, 09:22 PM

STOMPER

12-23-2007, 09:35 PM

I've got a few of the threaded end pieces you see in the above picture laying around. I'm going to take them to a shop that can make me a hydraulic hose and have them make me a hose like you see above but make it 4 feet long.

Kyle: where did you get your hoses made for your hydro assist?

Do that or call parts mike and see if he can help. As for the hyd assist the hose can be made anywhere that makes hoses. The cylinder is standard thread and the box can be taped for standard threads. The best place to have hoses made is napa i have them make hoses for me all the time. Most Napa's use Weatherhead hoses and there good quality.

yotaman

12-23-2007, 09:47 PM

Do that or call parts mike and see if he can help. As for the hyd assist the hose can be made anywhere that makes hoses. The cylinder is standard thread and the box can be taped for standard threads. The best place to have hoses made is napa i have them make hoses for me all the time. Most Napa's use Weatherhead hoses and there good quality.I need the hose made ASAP so parts mike is out. I'll try my local Napa. If I bring Napa the ends they should be able to make my hose.

ATLRoach

12-23-2007, 10:19 PM

I got them made at Royal Brass and Hose. Down the street from my house. Find the fitting needed and the length. They will make anything you need.

yotaman

12-24-2007, 12:33 PM

Well I went to 3 places (Slack, Napa, and a mom & pop place) to see if I could get a hose made. No one can make a hose with metric ends. They told me they can't reuse my old ends if I cut them off the old hoses.

04 Rocko Taco

12-24-2007, 12:36 PM

ATLRoach

12-24-2007, 12:43 PM

I got two places that can make them if you bring me the hose.

yotaman

12-24-2007, 12:50 PM

Wizard Automotive in Douglasville, Ga will make them. I know they are a ways off from you, but they will ship, or you could drive down.

Wizard Automotive Inc
8841 Gurley Rd
Douglasville, GA 30134

http://www.wizardauto.com/

We had them make all of the hoses and hardlines we needed for our restorations when I worked at Bud's Benz.I'll give them a call and see what they want to make one.

I was thinking about converting the metric fitting to AN using one of these 2 fittings. Does anyone see a difference between the 2 other than $5? I'm going to order the cheaper one unless you guys see it being worth the extra $5 for the other one.

-6 AN to 16mm x 1.5 male - Cheaper of the 2 (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RUS%2D670530&N=700+4294849620+4294906726+4294906520+115&autoview=sku)
The other one (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RUS%2D670531&N=700+4294849620+4294906726+4294906520+115&autoview=sku)

I figure if I convert them over I'll buy 2 hoses and carry a spare plus I can find lots of places to make AN hydro hoses. What do you guys think?