snorkels and cold air...

[SP!N4L T4P]

so, my 88 runner has a the 3.0 v6 w/ a manual tranny. i just put the 4" lift and 33's on it, so my power sucks, but im getting it re-geared this weekend to 4.88s, so thats cool. now that everyone knows where im comin from, im gonna get a snorkel kit, whether i buy one, or make a home made one myself (kinda leaning toward making my own, fer shits n giggles). i also wanted a cold air intake for an extra kick, but my cycloptic colleague informs me that it cant be done, gotta be one or the other. well, choosing the snorkel over the cold air is a no brainer, but is there anything else i can to satisfy my lust for power, aside from supercharging it...? and just one last thought, what if i got the cold air intake, and built a custom water-proof housing around the cone-shaped thingy with one hole to connect the snokel tube to it? think that would work? eh? EH?

[hanksyota]

i dont think a cold air intake would satisfy much for someone looking for power. i would definitely go the snorkel route, as a conical filter will be more susceptible to water and poop getting into your engine. thus the wonder of non compressing water and the beauty of hydro lock. ok, ive derailed from the topic. uh, 3.0 power? maybe this whole thread is a joke. i give up.

[Turbo4Runner]

Why would they be all that different? I think your confusing Cold Air intake with high-flow cone shaped air filters. If you have an exposed air filter in your engine bay, no matter what type of filter or tubing you are using you have a HOT air intake.

The value of a cold air intake is to pull fresh air in from outside the engine bay, which is essentially what a snorkel is doing. Now I suppose its possible the snorkel design is such that it imposes enough intake restrictions that it off-sets any benefit of the cold, fresh air, but if thats the case then you have all the justification in the world to build your own snorkel.

I think if you build one with the mind set of keeping it as free flowing as possible and you will get the best of both words. However, don't expect huge gains even if you built the worlds most amazing free-flowing cold air intake setup.

I believe the general consensus for how to address the 3.0's lack of power is to swap in a 3.4..

[fjcruzer]

I have an idea, but need a pic of your engine bay and the location of your stock intake.

[hanksyota]

Why would they be all that different? I think your confusing Cold Air intake with high-flow cone shaped air filters. If you have an exposed air filter in your engine bay, no matter what type of filter or tubing you are using you have a HOT air intake.

The value of a cold air intake is to pull fresh air in from outside the engine bay, which is essentially what a snorkel is doing. Now I suppose its possible the snorkel design is such that it imposes enough intake restrictions that it off-sets any benefit of the cold, fresh air, but if thats the case then you have all the justification in the world to build your own snorkel.

I think if you build one with the mind set of keeping it as free flowing as possible and you will get the best of both words. However, don't expect huge gains even if you built the worlds most amazing free-flowing cold air intake setup.

I believe the general consensus for how to address the 3.0's lack of power is to swap in a 3.4..

i guess the cold air intakes ive seen have all had the conical filter with it. hmm. i will stay out of giving any advice. :D

[RedRunnertc]

Intake isn't the problem with the 3.0 - it's the exhaust. Don't do a CAI or snorkel for a performance benefit, save the money for headers, a 3.4L swap, or possibly a light boost turbo.

[Turbo4Runner]

I think most Cold Air kits are packaged with a 'high flow' filter, which are typically cone shaped. However, if the filter is not sealed in a box which can only draw air from outside the engine bay, its not a cold air intake, its just a high flow filter and maybe an improved intake pipe. 99% of the time doing something like that will not provide any benefit because your high flow intake is just letting you suck in hot air slightly quicker then it used to suck in cool air.

If I had a stock motor/intake and I was contemplating doing something like this I would just go with a ready-made snorkel kit. On most motors (especially N/A motors) the intake is not the performance bottleneck and adding a snorkel will only provide benefit.

Bottom line: A snorkel IS a cold air intake, just maybe not a 'performance' cold air intake.

[SP!N4L T4P]

well, that answers that. ya, the more I think about it, the more i cant help thinking that the 22RE is a better engine than the 3.0. sometime in the distant future when i do an engine swap, i may consider going to a 4 cylinder, maybe even a turbo diesel 4 cylinder...then again, a newer 3.4 does sound juicy...

[Turbo4Runner]

Don't forget about the supra motor! If I was going to do a swap that'd be the direction I go.. Plenty of power, proven reliability, huge aftermarket..

[RedRunnertc]

You would have to build the hell out of a 22RE to match a 3VZE, but it could be done, and I bet you'd get better gas mileage.

[AxleIke]

CAI DOES NOTHING PEOPLE!!!!

NOR DO HIGH FLOW FILTERS, NOR DO EXHAUST SYSTEMS.

I did it all. BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY EVER!!!!

IMO, snorkels only work well if you seal the REST of your electrical too. Give it a shot, I'd be suprised if you can get it all.

I tried a fully boxed CAI, and it was shit, and a pain to work around, so i got rid of the box. Now I just have a cone filter. I have the headers, the exhaust, all of it. Money I wish i'd spent on a winch or something usefull. Power gain? Sure, all of like 5 hp. Guess what? You don't notice it.

You want power? Get a camshaft or two, and a new valve train from LCE. It'll move your power band to USEABLE RPM's.

[SP!N4L T4P]

hmmm....so, is a "supra motor" and a "3VZE" one and the same?

[RedRunnertc]

No, Supras have MG or JZ motors (like 3MGTE and 2JZ-something).

The JZ motors are the ones all the Fast and Furious crowd wants.

[Turbo4Runner]

Its easy to smoke the 3.0 with 22RE if it has a turbo! And you still get better gas mileage.. :D

[Turbo4Runner]

CAI DOES NOTHING PEOPLE!!!!

NOR DO HIGH FLOW FILTERS, NOR DO EXHAUST SYSTEMS.

I did it all. BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY EVER!!!!

IMO, snorkels only work well if you seal the REST of your electrical too. Give it a shot, I'd be suprised if you can get it all.

I tried a fully boxed CAI, and it was shit, and a pain to work around, so i got rid of the box. Now I just have a cone filter. I have the headers, the exhaust, all of it. Money I wish i'd spent on a winch or something usefull. Power gain? Sure, all of like 5 hp. Guess what? You don't notice it.

You want power? Get a camshaft or two, and a new valve train from LCE. It'll move your power band to USEABLE RPM's.

I would qualify this by saying these things do nothing of value to a stock N/A motor. I promise you if you put a 3" exhaust on a stock turbo truck you will notice a performance difference.

Intake and exhaust is just not the bottleneck on the N/A motors.

[AxleIke]

I would qualify this by saying these things do nothing of value to a stock N/A motor. I promise you if you put a 3" exhaust on a stock turbo truck you will notice a performance difference.

Intake and exhaust is just not the bottleneck on the N/A motors.

Good point.

Yes, if you are running blowers and the like, it does make a difference.

[TowerRigger]

I put my aftermarket muffler and snorkel on at the same time. I'd say I got 15 horse out of it. At least that's what my 'push back in the seat' meter told me. I think the ARB snorkel has a little bit of a ram air effect.

[Son of Mayhem]

CAI DOES NOTHING PEOPLE!!!!

NOR DO HIGH FLOW FILTERS, NOR DO EXHAUST SYSTEMS.

I did it all. BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY EVER!!!!

IMO, snorkels only work well if you seal the REST of your electrical too. Give it a shot, I'd be suprised if you can get it all.

I tried a fully boxed CAI, and it was shit, and a pain to work around, so i got rid of the box. Now I just have a cone filter. I have the headers, the exhaust, all of it. Money I wish i'd spent on a winch or something usefull. Power gain? Sure, all of like 5 hp. Guess what? You don't notice it.

You want power? Get a camshaft or two, and a new valve train from LCE. It'll move your power band to USEABLE RPM's.

THATS a BIG opinion. Check out the DECK MOD( or whatever its called) on tacos. I have done air intakes and exhaust and noticed huge Throttle response gains and even a stronger pull through the rpm range.

[Brandon]

THATS a BIG opinion. Check out the DECK MOD( or whatever its called) on tacos. I have done air intakes and exhaust and noticed huge Throttle response gains and even a stronger pull through the rpm range.

Is that based on butt dyno readings? Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen dyno charts on the deck plate mod. The deck plate sounds cool and that's probably where most of the extra power is coming from. My first car was SOOOOO much faster after I cut the muffler off.

These days I believe small mods are a waste of money, I've done them and regretted it. You can take 1500 and flush it down the drain on simple (read: easy to order and install) bolt-ons or you can do a small turbo set-up and be leaps an bounds ahead of simple bolt-ons. Of course the turbo thing will be significantly harder and more work than bolting on a new exhaust.


Just my 2 pesos (it's worth more than anyone else's 2 cents these days)

[Lysmachia]

Well it sounds like after this last weekend the 3.slow is getting thrown out of the mix any way. What are you gonna do?

[AxleIke]

THATS a BIG opinion. Check out the DECK MOD( or whatever its called) on tacos. I have done air intakes and exhaust and noticed huge Throttle response gains and even a stronger pull through the rpm range.

Well, it is backed up 100% by the fact that I have a CAI, headers, and highflow exhuast. I have seen ZERO performance gain.

I will admit that i do not have a deckplate mod, but that wasn't what the OP was talking about. They were talking about CAI. Maybe the Deckplate does something, but CAI, headers, and exhaust DO NOT.

Again, on a NA engine.

[Asha'man]

Its easy to smoke the 3.0 with 22RE if it has a turbo! And you still get better gas mileage.. :D

I continously find myself wondering how hard it would be to stick a 22RTE in in place of the old 22RE. Standalone, spare SVO T3, small front mount, and supporting fuel, and be good to go.

[spindleshanks]

Is that based on butt dyno readings? Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen dyno charts on the deck plate mod.

Gadget has done some dyno tests on stock airbox 3.4L vs K&N w/ elbow removed vs/ K&N FIPK, and deckplate w/K&N. He seemed to be very thorough with his testing, and duplicated all the results to solidify the data.
http://www.gadgetonline.com/AirInduction.htm

[Turbo4Runner]

I continously find myself wondering how hard it would be to stick a 22RTE in in place of the old 22RE. Standalone, spare SVO T3, small front mount, and supporting fuel, and be good to go.

its not all that hard! :D

[Asha'man]

Did you build your own MS or use one off the shelf? I'm thinking that would be the hardest thing; the rest is just nuts and bolts, and one motor drops right in in place of the other so that's no biggie.

[Turbo4Runner]

I had it built and flashed and I got my initial maps from someone, so it was REAL easy.

Check out Darin's website: http://www.22returbo.net/ lots of great MS info.