window tint

[hanksyota]

didnt really know what section to put this in, but im looking into to getting the windows tinted on my truck. has anyone done this locally? im pretty sure co law is 27% and ive started to do a little searching and its a little more involved than i thought. so any thoughts, suggestions, comments would be good. tia.

-hank

[AxleIke]

I used a place up here. They were a bit pricey, but I got a discount through a friend. Mine are 15%. I love it, and no issue with Johnny Law.

[hanksyota]

up here? like baileyarea? or are you in boulder? im willing to pay good money for a good job. i dont want bubbles or purple fade in a few years. anyone else?

[The Boy]

what are the colorado laws about tint? what can you do in the front, what can you do in the back?

[hanksyota]

27%

[Avsfreak1234]

I wish I could tell you what % mine are and where they were done but yet again...it came with the truck when I bought it!!! :D but I love them, dark enough to keep the light and stares out but light enough to see out in the dark!

[fjcruzer]

I hate window tint...

42-4-227. Windows unobstructed - certain materials prohibited - windshield wiper requirements.
Statute text

(1) (a) Except as provided in this paragraph (a), no person shall operate any motor vehicle registered in Colorado on which any window, except the windshield, is composed of, covered by, or treated with any material or component which presents an opaque, nontransparent, or metallic or mirrored appearance in such a way that it allows less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance. The windshield shall allow seventy percent light transmittance. The provisions of this paragraph (a) shall not apply to the windows to the rear of the driver, including the rear window, on any motor vehicle; however, if such windows allow less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance, then the front side windows and the windshield on such vehicles shall allow seventy percent light transmittance.

(b) Notwithstanding any provision of paragraph (a) of this subsection (1), nontransparent material may be applied, installed, or affixed to the topmost portion of the windshield subject to the following:

(I) The bottom edge of the material extends no more than four inches measured from the top of the windshield down;

(II) The material is not red or amber in color, nor does it affect perception of primary colors or otherwise distort vision or contain lettering that distorts or obstructs vision;

(III) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into the eyes of occupants of oncoming or preceding vehicles to any greater extent than the windshield without the material.

(c) Nothing in this subsection (1) shall be construed to prevent the use of any window which is composed of, covered by, or treated with any material or component in a manner approved by federal statute or regulation if such window was included as a component part of a vehicle at the time of the vehicle manufacture, or the replacement of any such window by such covering which meets such guidelines.

(d) No material shall be used on any window in the motor vehicle that presents a metallic or mirrored appearance.

(e) Nothing in this subsection (1) shall be construed to deny or prevent the use of certificates or other papers which do not obstruct the view of the driver and which may be required by law to be displayed.

(2) The windshield on every motor vehicle shall be equipped with a device for cleaning rain, snow, or other moisture from the windshield, which device shall be so constructed as to be controlled or operated by the driver of the vehicle.

(3) (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class B traffic infraction.

(b) Any person who installs, covers, or treats a windshield or window so that the windshield or window does not meet the requirements of paragraph (a) of subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than five hundred dollars nor more than five thousand dollars.

(4) This section shall apply to all motor vehicles.

... what are you trying to hide? Eh??

[AxleIke]

Hank, its entirely up to you. Like I said, mine are 15%. If Johny Law wanted to, he could write me tickets for a cracked windsheild, tires sticking out of fenders, no mud flaps, and a host of other problems. I figured one more wouldn't hurt.

But, I understand staying within the limits of the law.

Just my 2 cents, what ever shade you do, do it the same on ALL windows. unmatched front and rears looks really bad.

I'm going to try to dig up the name of that place now.

[Son of Mayhem]

If you want my friend will do both front windows in 15% for 70 bucks. That is a closer match to stock than the 28% Drive In Autosound gave me. He does tinting, aftermarket paint, clearbra, etc. for Ford.

[hanksyota]

well, i have nothing to hide eric. or erik. whichever. sorry. :missingto i just think it would clean up my trucks look since it is black. and the windows have no tinting what so ever. i want to keep it at a legal limit because i get pulled over enough as it is. i always get messed with. oh well. oh and isaac, i will get the same tint all around. just a standard cab, so not even much to tint, but it will look good.

[TowerRigger]

I hate window tint...

42-4-227. Windows unobstructed - certain materials prohibited - windshield wiper requirements.
Statute text

(1) (a) Except as provided in this paragraph (a), no person shall operate any motor vehicle registered in Colorado on which any window, except the windshield, is composed of, covered by, or treated with any material or component which presents an opaque, nontransparent, or metallic or mirrored appearance in such a way that it allows less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance. The windshield shall allow seventy percent light transmittance. The provisions of this paragraph (a) shall not apply to the windows to the rear of the driver, including the rear window, on any motor vehicle; however, if such windows allow less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance, then the front side windows and the windshield on such vehicles shall allow seventy percent light transmittance.

(b) Notwithstanding any provision of paragraph (a) of this subsection (1), nontransparent material may be applied, installed, or affixed to the topmost portion of the windshield subject to the following:

(I) The bottom edge of the material extends no more than four inches measured from the top of the windshield down;

(II) The material is not red or amber in color, nor does it affect perception of primary colors or otherwise distort vision or contain lettering that distorts or obstructs vision;

(III) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into the eyes of occupants of oncoming or preceding vehicles to any greater extent than the windshield without the material.

(c) Nothing in this subsection (1) shall be construed to prevent the use of any window which is composed of, covered by, or treated with any material or component in a manner approved by federal statute or regulation if such window was included as a component part of a vehicle at the time of the vehicle manufacture, or the replacement of any such window by such covering which meets such guidelines.

(d) No material shall be used on any window in the motor vehicle that presents a metallic or mirrored appearance.

(e) Nothing in this subsection (1) shall be construed to deny or prevent the use of certificates or other papers which do not obstruct the view of the driver and which may be required by law to be displayed.

(2) The windshield on every motor vehicle shall be equipped with a device for cleaning rain, snow, or other moisture from the windshield, which device shall be so constructed as to be controlled or operated by the driver of the vehicle.

(3) (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class B traffic infraction.

(b) Any person who installs, covers, or treats a windshield or window so that the windshield or window does not meet the requirements of paragraph (a) of subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than five hundred dollars nor more than five thousand dollars.

(4) This section shall apply to all motor vehicles.

... what are you trying to hide? Eh??

The sad thing is he quoted this from memory.;)

[The Boy]

The sad thing is he quoted this from memory.;)

lol, so 27% for the drivers window and passengers, limo in rear, and a little tint in front, is what it means?

[spindleshanks]

They do issue tickets for it, too. But you can always find a place that will install whatever you want. There's a guy in Loveland who did my brother's beemer at 5% all around. Although he got pulled over a couple of times, he didn't get ticketed for that. But Eric's right, cops hate tint. I wouldn't tint any darker than legal. The tint in my truck is supposed to match the privacy glass tint on the back window.

[hanksyota]

ill be getting black 27% all around except the windshield. like i said, i just think it cleans up the truck a lot. now i just need to find a place that does good work.

[RedRunnertc]

It's not that hard to do yourself if you get good film. I have had good luck with Johnson and Lumar

[fjcruzer]

my brother's beemer.

I think it's "bimmer" :D

It's nothing personal, the tint thing, it's just hard enough to see what folks are doing in their car while paying attention to traffic, the radio, environment, etc... Last count, there are 40+ things a cop has to pay attention to on a car stop, which is more than enough to do without wonder WTF is in the car. Even "privacy glass" sucks.

[RedRunnertc]

Bimmer = car

Beemer = motorcycle

[fjcruzer]

Yes, I figured he wasn't getting his beemer tinted all the way around

[vwfastg60]

Bimmer = car

Beemer = motorcycle

correct!


27% on side and rear if you do the back windows in less then that the side 2 have to be clear....Barts the pro on all this cause hes had more warnings then i have...I get tickets and they just say peel it with no way to fix it and keep tint. Im a fish bowl person now and wont rock tint. I was thinking about it on the truck but i doubt i will.

[TowerRigger]

Why aren't they the same thing? Bimmer Beemer. Same company...

[fondigley]

I had my front doors done at Suburban Toppers on Colfax. They match the rear factory tint. I think they gave me a discount for being a cottora member. And it is dark but matches good, I haven't had any problems in the last 3 years with it.

[RedRunnertc]

It's nothing personal, the tint thing, it's just hard enough to see what folks are doing in their car while paying attention to traffic, the radio, environment, etc... Last count, there are 40+ things a cop has to pay attention to on a car stop, which is more than enough to do without wonder WTF is in the car. Even "privacy glass" sucks.

If you have dark tint, simply roll the windows down before the cop comes up to the car. Have the dome light on and your hands where he can see them. Will save you a lot of trouble.

[AxleIke]

I personally got tint as dark as mine for one reason, and one reason only. When I park, and put my sunshade up, especially at night, YOU CAN'T SEE A DAMN THING INSIDE THE TRUCK.

After some stupid fuckstick mother fucker piece of shit gang banging homo fuck shit eating son of a bitch cockstucking ass ramming waste of oxygen broke into my truck and took my tools and stereo, I did some research on line.

One of the big suggestions was "out of sight, out of mind". Breaking into a car is a risk. If they can see that you have this or that inside, they'll break in and take it. but if they can't, they are more likely to pass you over and look for more sure pickings.

[AxleIke]

And I also like that people can't see me pick my nose while I'm driving :D

[Volcom]

After some stupid fuckstick mother fucker piece of shit gang banging homo fuck shit eating son of a bitch cockstucking ass ramming waste of oxygen broke into my truck and took my tools and stereo, I did some research on line.

Thanks, that should set the content filters off here at work :D Oh wait, I monitor that system :eek:

[fjcruzer]

And I also like that people can't see me pick my nose while I'm driving :D

I prefer it if people see me pick my nose, then they leave ma lone AND are jealous...

Thanks, that should set the content filters off here at work :D Oh wait, I monitor that system :eek:

I think that a string like that drowns itself out... definitely PI tho, lol

[GodyillaTaco]

i am a tinter (or i used to be) state law is 27% on the DR and Pass. window so 30% is used then you can go as dark on the rear as needed but it looks strange as hell to do 30 on the fronts and 5% on the rear plus you can't see out of it like that. as for me i run metalic 15% on all windows and haven't been pulled over....but i did get a few tickets when i had 5% on all windows, plus it sux to wheel with a dark tint. ie you cant see shit at night

[hanksyota]

i am a tinter (or i used to be) state law is 27% on the DR and Pass. window so 30% is used then you can go as dark on the rear as needed but it looks strange as hell to do 30 on the fronts and 5% on the rear plus you can't see out of it like that. as for me i run metalic 15% on all windows and haven't been pulled over....but i did get a few tickets when i had 5% on all windows, plus it sux to wheel with a dark tint. ie you cant see shit at night


good info, thanks!

[spindleshanks]

Bimmer = car

Beemer = motorcycle


Nonsense. Purely subjective. you know why? Because unless you spell it, there's no fucking difference at all.

[RedRunnertc]

Nonsense. Purely subjective. you know why? Because unless you spell it, there's no fucking difference at all.

huh?

I thought EVERYONE knew a bEEmer was a motorcycle and a bIMmer was a car ...

[spindleshanks]

huh?

I thought EVERYONE knew a bEEmer was a motorcycle and a bIMmer was a car ...


I think it's nonsense, and I'm looking at a copy of Roundel, the official magazine of BMWCCA.

[fjcruzer]

huh?

I thought EVERYONE knew a bEEmer was a motorcycle and a bIMmer was a car ...

Actually, most people don't dive a rat's ass...:rolleyes:

[motochain]

On my old truck I tinted them at 35%.. didn't like it so I went all the way down to 2.5%, which I believe is just shy of spray painting your window black. I couldn't see jack at night time out of my side windows, I was constantly rolling them down to see if there was a car coming or someone in the crosswalk.. It was absolutely rediculous! On my current truck I have 20% all around, I won't go any darker. It gets to be dangerous! I have done the tint on many of my friends vehicles as well as all of my own, all it takes is some patience, baby shampoo and water, razor blade, squeegee (however that's spelled), tape, and that's about it. SOOOO easy to do yourself!! Just make sure your doing it out of the wind, and preferably in a place out of the sun.

[spindleshanks]

Between the factory privacy glass on my back window, the tint on the camper shell's front and back windows, I have virtually no visibility out the back. It's frustrating. I really enjoyed the panoramic rear view I got when I removed the camper shell. (but I missed the security...I'm torn between the two!)

[Jade]

... what are you trying to hide? Eh??Melanoma.....I'm a white guy.....

I did the really light tint so that I was still able to see at night. Mine was done with the 3M product about ten years ago and over time has faded to a kind of purple which I freakin hate. I intend on getting them redone....someday.

[motochain]

The kind you can buy at wal-mart for ten bucks works fine.. and it doesn't turn purple.. I seriously have no idea what it takes to turn it purple. I think only the old stuff does it, because I've never had that problem.

[Jacket]

I used Eclipse in Lafayette - $75 for two windows to match the rest of the truck. Price was good, name brand products (SunTek, 3M), and quality is good enough. But in hindsight, I should have spent that $75 somewhere else....

[vwfastg60]

glass cleaner with amonia will turn it purple. Spray Way is the best stuff on tint and plain glass.

[GodyillaTaco]

The kind you can buy at wal-mart for ten bucks works fine.. and it doesn't turn purple.. I seriously have no idea what it takes to turn it purple. I think only the old stuff does it, because I've never had that problem.


old school film used dyes on clear film but today's films are a metalic base and don't require any dyes.....if you do go with wal-film go for their highest end stuff cause low end is dyed film. or just go to a tint shop and ask to but a roll of film off of them.....should sell it to you for around 50-70 bux but that for enough film to do a few cars so........... split the cost with some one?!

[GodyillaTaco]

glass cleaner with amonia will turn it purple. Spray Way is the best stuff on tint and plain glass.

or just basic arasol glass cleaner, thats what we always used

[GodyillaTaco]

just a word to all if you goto a tint shop they with have a low, med, and high grade tint always get the med or the high. and ask what film they use and if it is a dye-type film.

[Son of Mayhem]

If anyone in the springs gets it done, Don't do Drive in. Shitty job on one side, good on the other(they had two guys do it)

Go to RM window tint. The manager told me he would do my whole 1st gen for 250 in 15% I can't wait to get it done.

[00regcab]

ill be getting black 27% all around except the windshield. like i said, i just think it cleans up the truck a lot. now i just need to find a place that does good work.

not sure if you ever found someone, but the guy that came to my old bodyshop here in brighton to do window tinting does great work, for a good price too.

He qouted me $120 to do my civic (sunroof, doors, quarter windows, rear window, and windshield) @ 10%

Said hed do my truck for $85-$100 (my old reg cab) @ 20%

he warranties his work too, so let me know if you're interested.

[Tug]

I have a black 02 4X4 Tacoma and just had my driver and passenger windows tinted, In not sure what percent but it does closely match the shade of the sliding rear window and the windows on the extended cab and couldnt be more pleased. I paid $80.00 and thought I got a pretty good deal, if you can get the two front windows done for $70.00-$75.00 I'd jump all over that.

Post picts of your truck if at all possible.

[vikingtacoma]

I got a ticket last summer in Boulder for Illegal tint in my old Bimmer. Cop had a little light reader that he stuck on the window and i was at 14% i think. Pretty crappy ticket to get if you ask me. I would stick to stock if you are around boulder a lot.

[Taco_Man]

I got a ticket last summer in Boulder for Illegal tint in my old Bimmer. Cop had a little light reader that he stuck on the window and i was at 14% i think. Pretty crappy ticket to get if you ask me. I would stick to stock if you are around boulder a lot.

Whats Illegal with tint here. I have 15% all the way around (i think, the front sides may be 20 dont remember).

[vikingtacoma]

Not exactly sure why. When i got pulled over the cop told me they were just starting to crack down on it. I was just going down the street and he passed me the other direction and flipped a u-turn and pulled me over. i didn't do anything else. He just felt like picking me out of the pack.

[Taco_Man]

I used to get that in CA about once a year. I would just pay the fine and get to keep it on. i do need to find my doctors note for my tint. (my eyes are sensitive to light since I got lasic done)

[FattyB]

Hey Nate, do you still have that guys contact info? I'm needn the window's done for my reg cab, last place I went suks, shit peeled off after a year ($200.00 for a jetta, bullsheet)

[Tug]

I had my front doors done at Suburban Toppers on Colfax. They match the rear factory tint. I think they gave me a discount for being a cottora member. And it is dark but matches good, I haven't had any problems in the last 3 years with it.

Sorry this is a little of the subject but Suburban toppers just offered to sell me a new Astro Topper for 800.00 out the door. You know where I'll be tomorrow (Saturday).

Just so my post doesn't completely hi-jack this thread I just paid $65.00 to have my two front windows tinted my my 08 (20%)

[Well-Strung]

I have 5% all around fronts and extended side windows have had them for about 5 years. I didnt tint the back windows so I can see easiler and since I have a topper. The topper is tinted with 27%. I have never had trouble and drive around boulder, denver, longmont, broomfield frequently. With that said I wouldnt go any darker then a 10% again 15% is alot more reasonable and you shouldnt run into trouble. If I see a bored cop I roll them down a bit and let the light in.

[taco29]

If anyone in the springs gets it done, Don't do Drive in. Shitty job on one side, good on the other(they had two guys do it)

Go to RM window tint. The manager told me he would do my whole 1st gen for 250 in 15% I can't wait to get it done.

just had my GFs car done there today, they did a great job!

[Son of Mayhem]

Cool! Motor city or by the Woodmen Nissan? I need to fix my rear tailgate so i can get mine done.

[taco29]

I went to the one up near woodmen nissan, had it done pretty quick and it looked great.. my tint is peeling and they quoted me $90 for the front two windows

[Chalkie]

I went to the one up near woodmen nissan, had it done pretty quick and it looked great.. my tint is peeling and they quoted me $90 for the front two windows


What shop is that?

[Tug]

I went to the one up near woodmen nissan, had it done pretty quick and it looked great.. my tint is peeling and they quoted me $90 for the front two windows

Taco, that price seems a little high. There's got to be someplace cheaper than that or does that include removing the old tint?

[taco29]

It is RM window tint.

that quote includes $10 per window to remove the old tint.

[Son of Mayhem]

Yeah the manager there is a nice guy... Murray I believe.

[Taco_Man]

Well I just got pulled over for my window tint. Damn them. $65 for that shit. 15% on the front(driver and passenger) and over 4 in on the front window. In CA it was $25.

[Tug]

Well I just got pulled over for my window tint. Damn them. $65 for that shit. 15% on the front(driver and passenger) and over 4 in on the front window. In CA it was $25.


I got one in CA and if I remember correctly it was a fix it ticket but than again this was years ago so I'm sure it's changed.

Do you have have to remove the tint as well or is there a way around that?

[Taco_Man]

I got one in CA and if I remember correctly it was a fix it ticket but than again this was years ago so I'm sure it's changed.

Do you have have to remove the tint as well or is there a way around that?

In CA it was a fix it but you could just pay the fees and keep it on. I think I just have to pay the $65 and I can leave it on. The cop never said I had to take it off.

EDIT: CA fee was $25

[Jade]

I've never been hassled for my tint, even when pulled over for other very minor stuff. As a matter of fact, I just had mine redone as it was faded and was getting that nasty purple hue to it. The installer told me that it was a legal tint. I always get this part mixed up...but does 15% indicate passes 15% light, or blocks 15% light....

Mine is not dark, as I like to still be able to use my mirrors while backing at night....with the window rolled up.

[Taco_Man]

It only lets in 15% of the light.

edit: And if you can see backing up at night you dont have 15% you have more like 85% and that is ok. I have 14% witch only allows 14%of light to enter my side windows.

[sl3807]

Back in the day I had 2 layers of 5% on my 83 Celica.... couldn't see in, or out for that matter. Had it measured once, it was 2%. I would get pulled over and harrased all the time. If I got a ticket, I would just remove the tint, take a picture, go to court and they would usually drop the ticket. I worked at a tint shop off Broadway (American Window Tint) in Littleton, so I would retint later for free. Did this twice, once up in Fort Collins. I haven't had many problems running 15%. Have it on the wife's passat and my truck. The last few times that I was pulled over, I just make sure the window is rolled down before the cop approaches me. The wife got a speeding ticket on I-25 a few months back... Cop asked about the tint and she said it was on the car when she bought it.... he didn't ticket her or bring it up again. Must be nice to have:boobies:. For some reason they can get you out of just about anything.

[Chalkie]

edit: And if you can see backing up at night you dont have 15% you have more like 85% and that is ok.

That would depend on how bright your backup lights are, wouldn't it?

[fjcruzer]

Mike, here's the statute per your request. Have fun with the math :D

42-4-227. Windows unobstructed - certain materials prohibited - windshield wiper requirements.





(1) (a) Except as provided in this paragraph (a), no person shall operate any motor vehicle registered in Colorado on which any window, except the windshield, is composed of, covered by, or treated with any material or component which presents an opaque, nontransparent, or metallic or mirrored appearance in such a way that it allows less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance. The windshield shall allow seventy percent light transmittance. The provisions of this paragraph (a) shall not apply to the windows to the rear of the driver, including the rear window, on any motor vehicle; however, if such windows allow less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance, then the front side windows and the windshield on such vehicles shall allow seventy percent light transmittance.




(b) Notwithstanding any provision of paragraph (a) of this subsection (1), nontransparent material may be applied, installed, or affixed to the topmost portion of the windshield subject to the following:




(I) The bottom edge of the material extends no more than four inches measured from the top of the windshield down;




(II) The material is not red or amber in color, nor does it affect perception of primary colors or otherwise distort vision or contain lettering that distorts or obstructs vision;




(III) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into the eyes of occupants of oncoming or preceding vehicles to any greater extent than the windshield without the material.




(c) Nothing in this subsection (1) shall be construed to prevent the use of any window which is composed of, covered by, or treated with any material or component in a manner approved by federal statute or regulation if such window was included as a component part of a vehicle at the time of the vehicle manufacture, or the replacement of any such window by such covering which meets such guidelines.




(d) No material shall be used on any window in the motor vehicle that presents a metallic or mirrored appearance.




(e) Nothing in this subsection (1) shall be construed to deny or prevent the use of certificates or other papers which do not obstruct the view of the driver and which may be required by law to be displayed.




(2) The windshield on every motor vehicle shall be equipped with a device for cleaning rain, snow, or other moisture from the windshield, which device shall be so constructed as to be controlled or operated by the driver of the vehicle.




(3) (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class B traffic infraction.




(b) Any person who installs, covers, or treats a windshield or window so that the windshield or window does not meet the requirements of paragraph (a) of subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than five hundred dollars nor more than five thousand dollars.




(4) This section shall apply to all motor vehicles.

[Taco_Man]

The provisions of this paragraph (a) shall not apply to the windows to the rear of the driver, including the rear window, on any motor vehicle; however, if such windows allow less than twenty-seven percent light transmittance, then the front side windows and the windshield on such vehicles shall allow seventy percent light transmittance.




(b) Notwithstanding any provision of paragraph (a) of this subsection (1), nontransparent material may be applied, installed, or affixed to the topmost portion of the windshield subject to the following:




(I) The bottom edge of the material extends no more than four inches measured from the top of the windshield down;


Yea this is what I got it for. Thanks Eric. What are you guys doing tonight? want to go grab a beer?

EDIT: and I may take your advice and fight it.

[fjcruzer]

Yea this is what I got it for. Thanks Eric. What are you guys doing tonight? want to go grab a beer?

EDIT: and I may take your advice and fight it.

Hey, it never hurts to ask... (about the ticket)

Kat and I are in for the night, but thanks for the invite.

[Jade]

That would depend on how bright your backup lights are, wouldn't it?Well, I do have a driving light wired up to come on with the back-up lights....:cool:

[Chalkie]

Heh! I have 35w halogens in my backups. Lot's of light when backing = good. :thumbs:

[Taco_Man]

My extra back up lights went out some time around Carnage. I need to get some new one's and move them. Then mount up the rock lights.

[4x4_YOTA]

Whats Illegal with tint here. I have 15% all the way around (i think, the front sides may be 20 dont remember).

legal is 27% all around
or none on the front and any % on the back