: Rust


Tug
03-10-2008, 09:26 PM
With everything going on concerning the rust issue and 95/00 Tacoma's I took a closer look at my undercarriage and couldn't believe what I saw. I then compared my truck to my brother in law's 02 Chevy Silverado with 109,000 miles on it and was even more blown away. I couldn't believe the rust my truck had compared to his and he has over 30K more miles on his truck. Health permitting I've got an appointment with the Toyota District Service Manager tomorrow over a separate issue and I was wondering if I should mention the rust on my frame? I realize its not covered and its not nearly as bad as some of the Tacoma's on the east coast but theres no reason in the world why this frame should look as bad as it does especially when you consider Colorado doesn't use salt on the roads.

Also, I have a friend that works for a body shop down in south Denver, he told me to bring it by the shop and he'd undercoat it for me. Does undercoating actually work, would it be worth the $50.00 he's going to charge me?

Thanks,

Dave

My Brother in laws 02 Chevy Silverado w/109,000 miles
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/tug_slug/silverado1.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/tug_slug/silverado2.jpg

My 02 Tacoma w/75,000 miles
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/tug_slug/trust1.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/tug_slug/trust2.jpg

TowerRigger
03-10-2008, 10:50 PM
I have noticed that the frame gets a little orange too quickly on my truck as well. I was and still kind of am a chevy guy. The frames on those trucks never showed the kind of rust I see on my rig. And the older ones had rust but it was different. Just on the surface like old farm equipment you see setting in a field. This rust is alot flakier. Like it's actually getting deap into the metal. I'm sure this has to do with different metals used. Troy might have a better answer. Metal is his game.

Tug
03-10-2008, 11:41 PM
Thanks for replying Tower.

I'm not into Chevy's at all as a matter of fact I've got an 01 Corvette sitting in my garage that I'm thinking of selling. I like Toyota Tacoma's but unfortunately I don't seem to be having very good luck with them at the moment.

If you look at the picture below, inside the red box's theres some rust thats beyond surface rust. The metal just flaked away from the frame when I scrapped it with my finger nail, thats when I knew the trucks problems with rust were more severe than I had anticipated and would only get worst as time goes by.

I was feeling a little better today so I went for a drive in my truck, on my way home I stopped by Mountain States Toyota and they had a 2002 Toyota with 70K miles. I didnt have my camera so I used the camera on my cell phone, as you can see by the pictures the truck at the dealership is almost rust free.

Dave

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/tug_slug/trust3.jpg

Mountain States Truck
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/tug_slug/mountainstates.jpg

Volcom
03-10-2008, 11:47 PM
Get some rust to primer converter spray paint. Paint the frame and then spray some black over it. Easy day job!

http://www.rockfrogs.org/Pictures/AE/buildup/16.JPG
Before

http://www.rockfrogs.org/Pictures/AE/buildup/24.JPG
After

Tug
03-11-2008, 12:34 AM
Damn Volcom that looks excellent, I wish I was as mechanically inclined as you I'd do it in a minute, did you have to do any sanding?

I was told that no matter what you do you cant stop rust, you can slow it down but it's impossible to stop that's why when my friend offered to undercoat my truck for $50.00 at his body shop I told him I'd let him know later on this week.

RedRunnertc
03-11-2008, 12:28 PM
Shiiiiit - you guys don't know rust!

You wanna see rust, check out my POS sometime ...

Avsfreak1234
03-11-2008, 01:16 PM
Shiiiiit - you guys don't know rust!

You wanna see rust, check out my POS sometime ...

true, I seen it!

Willie
03-11-2008, 03:24 PM
Once rust starts you can only really stop it by removing the rust down to bare, clean metal and then repainting.
Most of those rust correcting paints (even the fancy expensive ones) claim to stop rust by sealing the area and preventing oxygen from reaching the metal. This stops the chemical process of rust but doesn't actually remove it.

Keeping your truck clean (especially the underside) helps to prevent rust by removing the dirt/ice/poop that holds moisture to the frame. In addition be sure to get any overhangs, joints ect that are likely to accumulate dirt/ice/poop.

I hate rust but like saying the word poop.

PS- chevys use galvanizing for the body panels and I assume the frame as well. This is why they do not rust as bad as some other vehicles.

EDIT:
I'm sure you already saw this but...
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/

spindleshanks
03-11-2008, 05:13 PM
I think a detailed undercarriage cleaning and paint job should be a part of every Coloradoan's routine. Mine starts to look a little orange where all the rock chips are, like on the front face of the rear diff. But, like Volcom said, it's easy enough to spray the frame surfaces, etc. Should be an annual thing.

Volcom
03-11-2008, 05:14 PM
Damn Volcom that looks excellent, I wish I was as mechanically inclined as you I'd do it in a minute, did you have to do any sanding?

I just took a wirewheel on a 4.5" angle grinder and when to town. For the tight stuff, I used a smaller wirewheel in my cordless drill. It was actually a pretty easy project!

Tug
03-11-2008, 08:45 PM
I just came from Boulder Toyota, they in turn sent me to a auto bodyshop they always use. The adjusters from the bodyshop took a good look at the frame and said what I had was just surface rust, he also said that they could either coat the frame with some rubber compound but the problem with that is if any work needs to be done to anything attached to the frame the mechanic doing the work would have a hard time taking the bolts off due to the coating. My second option would be to let the detailer power wash the undercarriage and spray some krylon over the entire frame.

From what I've been told my rust problem wont get any worst so what I'd like to do is get the frame to look a little better cosmetically. Im hoping that by this time next year my health will improve and I can move back to Los Angeles where I wont have to deal with snow or magnesium chloride ever again. :mad:

Thanks

Dave

mrdoug
03-14-2008, 03:57 PM
I ran across this while looking for something else and thought of this thread..

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/

Lysmachia
03-14-2008, 05:06 PM
Wait What Dave? You wanna move away from CoTTORA? Awe man.. you just joined!

Don_G
03-14-2008, 06:19 PM
Toyota Rust warranty extension (http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95993)

I trust you've all seen this....

Tug
03-14-2008, 11:41 PM
Wait What Dave? You wanna move away from CoTTORA? Awe man.. you just joined!

lol.... I hate to tell you this Molly but I finally had enough of my 02 Tacoma and that damed clutch. Regardless of my health I went to the dealer and raised hell today. I told him either he was going to fix the clutch or he was going to sell me a new truck at a price I was comfortable with. I told him if at any time I felt he was putting the screws to me we'd stop negotiating and I'd take my truck to the service manager and let them fix it and if they didnt fix it I'd be back there every single day and rather than go home and wait for them to call me to pick up my truck I'd stay there at the dealership and "chat" with the potential new buyers, he told me he'd have me escorted off the property. I said fine I'll picket the dealership and get as much media attention as possible and make him and that dealership look as bad as I possibly could, at one point I thought he was going to call the police, thats how pissed I was. After 8 hours of dealing with the GM we finally came to an agreement, I now the proud owner of a 2008 balck Toyota Tacoma 4x4 access cab.

I got an ok deal but deep down inside I know he got over on me but what was important to me that every penny I invested in the 02 he reimbursed me for and I paid about 3% above invoice at the same time... not a bad deal IMO all in all.

While I was at the dealership I thought I was going to get sick but I was determined to either get my 02 fixed or get a new truck. At first I wasn't to exited about the truck but now that it's in my driveway and I can get into it without dealing with a bad clutch or rust Im actually pretty stoked about it.

I'll post some picts tomorrow and btw come next January health permitting Im going back to Los Angeles... dam I miss that rat hole lol.

Los Angeles International... home sweet home
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