: Early Taco owners~check your frames


Bear
03-20-2008, 02:53 AM
I have been meaning to post this topic for about a week now, and it keeps slipping my mind, sorry.

Anyway there is evidentally a toyota authorized TBA on the frames of Tacomas from 95-00 in year model regarding rust particularly in the ice belt regions in the country.

for more information on the subject here is a link from the national board regarding this issue.

http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1175875#poststop

supposedly the frames are rusting prematurely due to road salt used to de-ice the roads. I have read quite a few post on the thread above where Toyota has actually just bought the truck from the owner instead of trying to repair the damage. and at top retail value and not just a low ball figure.

Within that same thread "Show Stop" included a bulletin that has the vin number tables that are effected within the "concerned" model years.

I have printed it out for the 97 year model for my truck to check for my vin. but I highly doubt I will be effected as my truck spent most of it's life in (let's all say it together) Texas. But this notice is going to be good for 15 years of manufacture date.

This matter is definitely worth 10 minutes under your vehicle inspecting the frame! and if you find excessive rust by all means take it immediately to the dealership.

ON that thread, there are reports where members have actually taken their trucks in for inspection not thinking much about it and drving off the dealership with a new vehicle. Also in many cases (depending on the dealership) within the process of turning over their vehicles they have removed every after market accessory they put on the vehicle without penality ( so as an example, if I find rust on my SAS'ed truck, I would be able to remove every piece of equipment from the axles, tires, stereo, seats or anything else I changed as the owner. so I could put those items into my replacement truck if they would fit.)

brinner
03-20-2008, 11:09 AM
wwoooooowwww. :eek:

Bear
03-20-2008, 12:56 PM
did you read the thread? I was kinda alarmed having a '97. But if they are doing buy backs without worrying about all the mods, It maybe not such a bad idea…I would be getting rid of those bed dings I have :D

but I really don't see my truck being effected. Just wanted to put it out there for our other members.

Sweendogie
03-20-2008, 02:42 PM
1.5 x KBB retail value price is pretty nice, i have almost no rust on my frame... altough i love my truck $11000 would be good to have, thats what we bought it for back in 2000!

Bear
03-20-2008, 05:02 PM
you were one of the ones, I specifically thought about with this issue. Since I have never seen your truck up and close, I didn't know what the frame looked like.

I am having a hard time deciding if my truck actually falls within the vin range! I think it does, but then again it may not.

I also got to thinking about how much of a pain it would be to dissemble it if it would fall prey to this buy back.

But I think there was one guy on the national board that did actually remove his solid axle and the dealership still paid him the full 1 1/2 KBB price

Hagan34
03-20-2008, 05:38 PM
So how do i get the frame on that 99 i drove up to indy to rust out quicker, got some surface, but no perferation, any ideas. maybe spray it down once a week in Calcium Cloride?

Bear
03-21-2008, 02:06 AM
that would work. I know tooth paste will eleminate rust, but I am not too sure which chemicals promotes it.

you can always put a osolating sprinkler under the truck, might take a while though! ;)

I hve the print out on the vin numbers, but I can't determine if mine is covered. I first thought so, but then on second glance, I second guessed myself, and now I am just not sure!

Fuod
03-21-2008, 02:40 AM
Not that my truck applies, but where can I get that VIN info? I have a few friends up north that don't have intarweb access...

Hagan34
03-21-2008, 06:56 AM
Not that my truck applies, but where can I get that VIN info? I have a few friends up north that don't have intarweb access...

its a PDF file

http://www.showstop.org/images/truck/rust_warranty/warranty-policy.pdf

Full_Tilt_Fud
03-21-2008, 12:33 PM
with any luck Toyota is gonna be buying two from me in short order..........I will then be buying and 01 from my local dealer that has 132000 less miles than my current 97 and I will have a fair amount of cash and all my current aftermarket parts left to start building the new truck

Fuod
06-28-2010, 01:43 PM
My truck finally goes in on Thursday to have the treatment done and I'll have a loaner vehicle for a day. Anyone up for seeing what a Corolla (or whatever they give me) can do at Interlake? :D

I'm sure my frame is OK, but I'm still praying they don't decide to do the buy back.

Bear
06-28-2010, 02:11 PM
you won't have any surprises if you do a quick visual for yourself. You need to look at the area around the spring hanger and just at the point the frame transitions from a boxed section to the c channeling.

Also look at the area around the front crossmember of the front suspension. From what I have been told that is where the frames begin to "dissappear"

Fuod
06-28-2010, 02:30 PM
I've crawled under it a couple times now and can't find anything.

Has anyone seen any buy back percentages? I'd like to see some numbers on how many frames are fine vs bad.

Bear
06-28-2010, 02:32 PM
it might be buried on the national thread somewhere, but that thread is so long now, I can't even open it!

Besides, "some of us" have more important things to do other than keep up with statistics! ;)

Fuod
06-28-2010, 02:40 PM
it might be buried on the national thread somewhere, but that thread is so long now, I can't even open it!

Besides, "some of us" have more important things to do other than keep up with statistics! ;)
You mean like spend 2 years troubleshooting a problem with your truck? :p

Bear
06-28-2010, 03:20 PM
Naw! take two years replacing parts that were about to wear out, while avoiding the real issue! :flipoff3:

Fuod
07-01-2010, 02:15 PM
Dropped the Taco off this morning, I'm stuck driving this till tomorrow.

http://www.fuod.org/images/misc/loaner_corolla.jpg

Fuod
07-02-2010, 10:46 AM
Well, my luck apparently has no bounds, got this voice mail (http://www.fuod.org/audio/misc/recall.mp3)today. :banghead::doh:

Fuod
07-03-2010, 01:25 PM
Picked up the truck today and the frame looks all shiny and clean.

The mechanic actually asked if he could talk to me and said "Uhm... It was really dirty under that truck, above the the skid plate was packed full of dirt. Where have you been driving?" :D

Bear
07-03-2010, 02:39 PM
thought you knew to clean every knook and Crany of the truck before taking it to the stealership? Especially for any recall or warranty work! It just gives them one less excuse to deny working on your vehicle on their dime. :D

Glad it passed! now I won't have to hear you whine about loosing your ride!

NwiTACO
07-06-2010, 08:06 AM
My cousin just had a 94 bout back. I didnt think it applied tho that gen, but his frame was toast and he got an 8500 check out of the deal.

Fuod
07-06-2010, 09:47 AM
This was hanging on my mirror when I picked my truck up and I didn't think twice about it since I live in a apartment.

They werent kidding, there are a few huge piles of goop under my truck. I wouldn't enjoy having to clean that stuff off my garage floor! If you still need to get this done you might want to put some newspapers down or something.

http://www.fuod.org/images/misc/frametreatment.jpg

Bear
07-06-2010, 11:47 AM
I thought I heard that the buy back went back to the 90-91 year model, but I didn't put much stock into that rumor. I guess there was something to it afterall.

Bear
07-06-2010, 11:48 AM
another way to clean the stuff "off" your frame would be to go wheeling...I guess your truck is safe! :flipoff1:

NwiTACO
07-06-2010, 01:02 PM
another way to clean the stuff "off" your frame would be to go wheeling...I guess your truck is safe! :flipoff1:

You and Joe should "clean your frames" together then :D

Fuod
07-06-2010, 01:05 PM
another way to clean the stuff "off" your frame would be to go wheeling...I guess your truck is safe! :flipoff1:
That would also explain why you haven't taken your truck in to get the frame treatment yet.

You and Joe should "clean your frames" together then :D
:flipoff1: :D

Bear
07-06-2010, 01:57 PM
You and Joe should "clean your frames" together then :D no, I actually have taken my truck to the orv park. Still counts because I did drive around the parking lot! ;):lmao::lmao:
That would also explain why you haven't taken your truck in to get the frame treatment yet.


:flipoff1: :D
Hello! TEXAS TRUCK! :rolleyes: I don't have rust on my bucket! :lmao:

NwiTACO
07-07-2010, 07:59 AM
Dont worry...Joe will be out quite a bit coming up...

Bear
07-07-2010, 08:53 AM
I like to hear things like that! I am hoping by the end of the summer I will be able to hit the trails more which will prompt more activity up here as well.

We just have to keep promoting the opportunity for people to get out. Be instigators I guess some would call it. :D

NwiTACO
07-07-2010, 10:29 AM
Dont worry...Joe will be out quite a bit coming up...


Rumor has it he may be getting some sliders soon...

Fuod
07-07-2010, 11:07 AM
Rumor has it he may be getting some sliders soon...
I love rumors! :D


I was trying to keep this thread clean but you guys aren't making it very easy! :flipoff4:

Bear
07-07-2010, 12:26 PM
I love rumors! :D


I was trying to keep this thread clean but you guys aren't making it very easy! :flipoff4:Call me, got an idea for you!

and you should know with Mark and I, no thread is safe! ;)

Rumor has it he may be getting some sliders soon...
Yea I heard those rumors also, as well as some altitude adjustments!

Full_Tilt_Fud
07-08-2010, 11:08 AM
Mine Frame is still solid......14 years in the salt and nothing more than surface rust.

I would like to see some numbers as to which years are the worst for rust. My 97 spent 12 years and 234k in the rust belt and was rock solid, now this 96 I have has spent 14 years and 187k in the rust belt and it is fine.......It seems the 95.5-97's were actually better than the 98-00's. We have had 3 98-00 tacomas come through the used car dept. here at work all with junk frames.......the sad part is all 3 were put on the lot and sold for big money cause nobody bothered to check them out before they bought them:rolleyes:

Bear
07-09-2010, 12:50 PM
you bring up a good point, It would be interesting to find out what the ratios are between year models.


Joe???? you are normally good at finding out that kind of info/stat

Fuod
07-09-2010, 01:58 PM
Has anyone seen any buy back percentages? I'd like to see some numbers on how many frames are fine vs bad.

it might be buried on the national thread somewhere, but that thread is so long now, I can't even open it!

Besides, "some of us" have more important things to do other than keep up with statistics! ;)

you bring up a good point, It would be interesting to find out what the ratios are between year models.


Joe???? you are normally good at finding out that kind of info/stat

Suddenly now you're interested? I'm sure it's buried on the national board somewhere. :flipoff4:

Just kidding, I'll see if I can find anything this evening.

Bear
07-12-2010, 09:21 AM
WEll damn! sorry! LOL

I guess moods change and all that crap! you are just better looking up stats that some of us.

Fuod
07-12-2010, 12:58 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to report. I didn't really find anything as far as numbers go, I think Toyota is keeping that info for themselves. Sorry man!

Bear
07-14-2010, 08:33 PM
I did see a report yesterday that was "supposedly" done by an independant "government agency that found that in almost 95% of all the toyota vehicles that unexpectedly acclerated it was driver error and not mechanical.

the evidence was supposedly finally retrieved from the car's "black boxes". This evidence means that in those cases, the black box showed that the gas peddle was full open and the driver never attempted to apply the brakes. From that they determined that the drivers mistakenly hit the gas when they thought they were hitting the brake peddle.

Toyota said that they will do their own investigation of that data. that kind of tells me that Toyota wanted to be at fault. it ruins their current ad campaign of "we human also, but we are trying harder than anyone else"

Hmmm.