The link process has begun!!

[Kaistie]

The first of several invoices has been created through Ballistic Fab. Several Ballistic joints, the big ones, and 2.5" .377 wall DOM lowers are on their way. Got everything except the coilovers this morning. They have some slick shit for links. It really is a one stop shop if you are considering linking your rig. Plan on doing the rear this winter. If anyone finds a good deal on coilovers, let me know. I am looking for 16" dual rate. Anyway, most will not care, but I am getting stoked and thought I would share. Sy, get your work boots out, I am sure I will be calling you soon!!!

[ninja]

kick ass, cant wait to see

[FAUX X 4]

The first of several invoices has been created through Ballistic Fab. Several Ballistic joints, the big ones, and 2.5" .377 wall DOM lowers are on their way. Got everything except the coilovers this morning. They have some slick shit for links. It really is a one stop shop if you are considering linking your rig. Plan on doing the rear this winter. If anyone finds a good deal on coilovers, let me know. I am looking for 16" dual rate. Anyway, most will not care, but I am getting stoked and thought I would share. Sy, get your work boots out, I am sure I will be calling you soon!!!

Rut-Row! :D

[Kaistie]

I know. I am thinking the same thing myself:eek:

[FAUX X 4]

I know. I am thinking the same thing myself:eek:

Just as long as you don't do something silly like keep making §XX§ suggestions all the time! :lmao:

[howyadoin]

Nate, I can totally lay down some nasty booger-welds on your junk if you need me to!:xpimp:

[AZrockbum]

I hate your money tree :D

[FAUX X 4]

I hate your money tree :D

My money tree cry's when it talks to Nate's money tree........ then it comes home and kicks me in the nut's! :D

[bentyota]

lol mine is thinking the same thing especilly after what i am getting ready to buy.:D :saw: :welder:

[Symon623]

Dude I am ready..... lets git-r-dun........

Now you can add the §XX§ to your sig line.......:D

[MerMan]

Glad to hear that Nate!.....Luckky(Napolian D.);)

[lvanst]

Can you put a couple of shopping cart casters under that rear diff while your at it ???

:rofl:

[Kaistie]

Can you put a couple of shopping cart casters under that rear diff while your at it ???

:rofl:

No, but how about a set of 42 Swampers to clear that biotch!

[TBob]

good deal Nate - look forward to seeing it!! :kewl:

[AZrockbum]

The first of several invoices has been created through Ballistic Fab. Several Ballistic joints, the big ones, and 2.5" .377 wall DOM lowers are on their way. Got everything except the coilovers this morning. They have some slick shit for links. It really is a one stop shop if you are considering linking your rig. Plan on doing the rear this winter. If anyone finds a good deal on coilovers, let me know. I am looking for 16" dual rate. Anyway, most will not care, but I am getting stoked and thought I would share. Sy, get your work boots out, I am sure I will be calling you soon!!!

well i guess i would not expect anything less beefy. damn this thing is going to be tough. can't wait to see how this comes out.

[Kaistie]

Well, after speaking with someone in the know, the welded studs on the Ballistic joints can be a point for failure if the fabricator does not get a good weld on those studs...even though the studs are 1 1/4"! If they let go the axle will tear everything out from under the truck. Ask Eric what happens when the lower link lets loose! I am thinking about adding a little more bracing to them when I get them. Maybe a gusset of some kind...just in case.

[MerMan]

No, but how about a set of 42 Swampers to clear that biotch!

Get sticky Iroks!:D

[4xClover]

Right on Nate!!! Can't wait to see how it turns out!!

[azrain]

Very cool plans. I'll be watching the progress for two reasons:

1. See how you are going to do this to add to my .pdf of link builds, and

2. Be one of the first vultures to swoop on old parts! :D

[FAUX X 4]

One question though Nate............. Front, Rear or both? :D

[AZrockbum]

The first of several invoices has been created through Ballistic Fab. Several Ballistic joints, the big ones, and 2.5" .377 wall DOM lowers are on their way. Got everything except the coilovers this morning. They have some slick shit for links. It really is a one stop shop if you are considering linking your rig. Plan on doing the rear this winter. If anyone finds a good deal on coilovers, let me know. I am looking for 16" dual rate. Anyway, most will not care, but I am getting stoked and thought I would share. Sy, get your work boots out, I am sure I will be calling you soon!!!

One question though Nate............. Front, Rear or both? :D

:rolleyes: Shit, its like bob or grumpy was reading.

[howyadoin]

Nate, I've got a great source for 2" 7075 (like Al's) for your lowers if you're interested. I'm getting ready to order for my stretch, so let me know if you want to consider this option. My lowers are 2" .500 wall and I have bent them all, and they are alot shorter than yours will be. Just a thought?:2cents:

[azredtaco]

Niiice :cool:

[FAUX X 4]

:rolleyes: Shit, its like bob or grumpy was reading.

I seem to be talking up a ghey streak today! :supergay:

[4xClover]

I seem to be talking up a ghey streak today! :supergay:

Thuuuupppper! :supergay:

.... I think your quiche is burning! :D

[FAUX X 4]

Thuuuupppper! :supergay:

.... I think your quiche is burning! :D

Who's more Thuuuper.........I think it's the guy that actually knows how Keesh is spelled!!! :xrainbow: :D

[Symon623]

Well, after speaking with someone in the know, the welded studs on the Ballistic joints can be a point for failure if the fabricator does not get a good weld on those studs...even though the studs are 1 1/4"! If they let go the axle will tear everything out from under the truck. Ask Eric what happens when the lower link lets loose! I am thinking about adding a little more bracing to them when I get them. Maybe a gusset of some kind...just in case.

Kinda why I suggested solid or non adjustable lowers and make the upper adjustable for pinion angle/castor. Even at that once you set it you may not adjust it ever again?

[FAUX X 4]

Kinda why I suggested solid or non adjustable lowers and make the upper adjustable for pinion angle/castor. Even at that once you set it you may not adjust it ever again?

Very true! I don't think I've touched mine in 2 years......... I did notice that I have a slight bend in one of my lowers (2.5" 375 DOM w/ 120 chromo jammed in it).......... I think it's time for some solid Alum lowers soon.:xpimp:

[4xClover]

Who's more Thuuuper.........I think it's the guy that actually knows how Keesh is spelled!!! :xrainbow: :D

Nah....I just used spell check! http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l121/ts_ryan/Misc/finger.gif

[4xClover]

Very true! I don't think I've touched mine in 2 years......... I did notice that I have a slight bend in one of my lowers (2.5" 375 DOM w/ 120 chromo jammed in it).......... I think it's time for some solid Alum lowers soon.:xpimp:

:blingb: :blingb:

[Kaistie]

Nate, I've got a great source for 2" 7075 (like Al's) for your lowers if you're interested. I'm getting ready to order for my stretch, so let me know if you want to consider this option. My lowers are 2" .500 wall and I have bent them all, and they are alot shorter than yours will be. Just a thought?:2cents:


Of course I am interested! Question is, how much? I know that shit is expensive and for anything less a buggy, it is a hard cost to swallow. Let me know.

[MerMan]

I seem to be talking up a ghey streak today! :supergay:

x2:D

[howyadoin]

Of course I am interested! Question is, how much? I know that shit is expensive and for anything less a buggy, it is a hard cost to swallow. Let me know.

Sent you a pm Nate, just got quotes yesterday...

[FAUX X 4]

Sent you a pm Nate, just got quotes yesterday...

While your playing salesman...

2 @ 47" :D

[BOVADS]

this build should be good

if aybody can find a weak link, it think it will be you nate:D

[Kaistie]

this build should be good

if aybody can find a weak link, it think it will be you nate:D


Yeah, I will just plate the shit out of everything:p

[howyadoin]

While your playing salesman...

2 @ 47" :D

47"! Holy shiate, you building a 6-seater?:flipoff1:

[FAUX X 4]

47"! Holy shiate, you building a 6-seater?:flipoff1:

I drive a 2 seater school bus! :missingto

[howyadoin]

I drive a 2 seater school bus! :missingto

Sent you a pm...

[FAUX X 4]

Sent you a pm...

Back at you...

[Kaistie]

Does anyone know anything about Radflo shocks? They have some reasonable prices, but don't know much about them.

[howyadoin]

Does anyone know anything about Radflo shocks? They have some reasonable prices, but don't know much about them.

There are a few write-ups on Pirate. Not sure off the top of my head, but I know people have posted reviews on them there.

[Kaistie]

Yeah, I read them. From what I gather, someone doing the type of wheeling I do would never even notice the difference between the high dollar ones and the Radflo ones. The high dollar one shine when pushed to their design limits. Anything less than that and you would be hard pressed to notice differences. I think the important thing is going to be making sure I get the spring rate figured out.

[howyadoin]

That is always the issue with coilovers. If you can get some really accurate weight figures at each corner, it makes it alot easier.

[BOVADS]

im working on a "dealer" thing for them, ill check back with the guys and see whats up, might be able to save you some :2cents:

[Kaistie]

Cool. I do have the weight figured out for the most part. I am looking at 1100-1200 lbs for each corner for sprung weight.

[howyadoin]

Cool. I do have the weight figured out for the most part. I am looking at 1100-1200 lbs for each corner for sprung weight.

Wut? Your rears should be alot lighter than the fronts in that biatche, aren't they?:jawdrop:

[Symon623]

Wut? Your rears should be alot lighter than the fronts in that biatche, aren't they?:jawdrop:

Have you seen all the stuff he has in the bed of the truck? :p

[Kaistie]

I meant the front sprung weight bonehead. Not linking the rear right now.

[howyadoin]

Otay...:D Are you coming out Friday night?

[Kaistie]

I was thinking about it, but don't really feel like doing the whole tent thing with no shower. I will meet up with you guys on Saturday.

[Kaistie]

Two new 16" dual rate SAW CO's are on their way to my house:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

[4xClover]

Two new 16" dual rate SAW CO's are on their way to my house:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

Right on! What's your address again? :D

[FAUX X 4]

Right on! What's your address again? :D

Check with Dave, I'm pretty sure he has it! :D

[AZrockbum]

Two new 16" dual rate SAW CO's are on their way to my house:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

:xpimp: :kewl:

[Kaistie]

Check with Dave, I'm pretty sure he has it! :D

Yeah, what an asshole I was on that one.

[FAUX X 4]

Yeah, what an asshole I was on that one.

I found the whole story amusing as hell! :lmao:

......... oh, and don't forget your gas receipt!!! ;)

[Kaistie]

I found the whole story amusing as hell! :lmao:

......... oh, and don't forget your gas receipt!!! ;)
Yeah, talk about poetic justice! Kind of like watching an asshole weave in and out of traffic and then crash right in front of you. Oh well, its out of my hands.

[TimF]

Two new 16" dual rate SAW CO's are on their way to my house:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

Good call.

2.0 or 2.5?


where did you get them from?

Now you just need someone to revalve your shocks... I wonder who that could be ;)

[Kaistie]

2.0. I really wanted the 2.5, but figured I was going to have enough problems with getting everything to clearance so I went the easy way. We'll see, I may need the 3.0 to handle my civilian battle tank:eek:
yeah, I may need some valving done...know anyone:p

[TBob]

Nate haven't torn down one of those shock but have done alot of valving - may be able to help you out.

2.0. I really wanted the 2.5, but figured I was going to have enough problems with getting everything to clearance so I went the easy way. We'll see, I may need the 3.0 to handle my civilian battle tank:eek:
yeah, I may need some valving done...know anyone:p

[Kaistie]

Cool, thanks Bob. I will run them and see what gives. It may be fine...

[TimF]

most of the time SAW ships with a 10/10 valve stack. It might be stiff on compression but it doesn't take any time to revalve those shocks.

I think a 8/8 will work for you but then again your shit is heavy so a 10/08 or 12/08 might handle the heavyness better.


Did you get remote resi's or IFP's?




FYI a 2.5 isn't that much bigger than a 2.0 whten it comes to total size but spring rates are easier to get with 2.5's and they dampen alot better.

[Kaistie]

He said they are shipped 10/12. My truck weighs 5400 without me in it. 3250 in the front and 2150 in the rear. I did get the Remote Res. The spring rate I am going to start with is 250 over 300. The guy I spoke to said I could return the springs as long as they are not scratched or damaged for a $10 swap fee.

[TBob]

grease the point between the spring and collar so you don't scratch em' - maybe a piece of dence cardboard would work.

He said they are shipped 10/12. My truck weighs 5400 without me in it. 3250 in the front and 2150 in the rear. I did get the Remote Res. The spring rate I am going to start with is 250 over 300. The guy I spoke to said I could return the springs as long as they are not scratched or damaged for a $10 swap fee.

[Kaistie]

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/41201/2501310640048043617S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2501310640048043617gSTdkZ)
http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/40793/2010781160048043617S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2010781160048043617OVGHTy)

[AZrockbum]

Your front axle fell off :eek:



Cant wait to see how this turns out.

[Kaistie]

Yeah, I almost dropped it! Had to call the wifey out to lower the jack. Hey, did you get any video while we were on DS?

[AZrockbum]

Yeah, its still uploading. should be up in an hour or so.

[TimF]

He said they are shipped 10/12. My truck weighs 5400 without me in it. 3250 in the front and 2150 in the rear. I did get the Remote Res. The spring rate I am going to start with is 250 over 300. The guy I spoke to said I could return the springs as long as they are not scratched or damaged for a $10 swap fee.


The valving sounds a little heavy esp. on rebound but it is a 2.0. Now the springs are a little light but if they will swap then you can play around for a small fee.

where did you get the shocks from?

[Kaistie]

Yeah, I was afraid of that. I got the shocks from Kustoms One, or somehting like that. Paid 880 with free shipping on everything including the springs!

[TimF]

Damn good price!!!!


Run the shocks and if you don't like them then let me know and we can see what you don't like and revalve. Shims are kinda cheap and I have a few different sets already. They are the same for 2.0 and 2.5.

[Kaistie]

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/42890/2297431250048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2297431250048043617cDgjTw)

:bhump: :bhump:

[howyadoin]

Damn Nate, those are gonna make the rest of your truck look like poo!:eek:

:flipoff1:

[azrain]

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/42890/2297431250048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2297431250048043617cDgjTw)

:bhump: :bhump:

Nice.

[AZrockbum]

Nice wiener

[Symon623]

got all the old poo ground off yet? :p

[Kaistie]

Most of it. Got the axle cleaned up, got the old shock hoops off, and other tabs and brackets are all gone. I am ready to start doing some mock up when you get some time. i know you are busy with preparing for Moab though. I ordered my link material today from Jeff at Ballistic. Other than that i have everything I need. I have started clearing out the engine compartment, so I should have all that resolved by next week.

[Kaistie]

Damn Nate, those are gonna make the rest of your truck look like poo!:eek:

:flipoff1:


i know. I was thinking of dragging them behind my truck for a few days to get the "Weathered" look...:D

[TBob]

updates - it's been a few days quit dicking off!

[Kaistie]

http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/34154/2051630730048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2051630730048043617SCJYlO)
http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/41557/2061671300048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2061671300048043617ZQzwLc)

its not much, but everything is cleared out so I can punch those beauties through there. Should make some progress today. We had a really sick pet that we have been dealing with the last couple of days. Had to finally put him down last night. Went and buried him today near Wickenburg.

[NTAPHSE]

Bummer man sorry to hear that.

[thenexus]

Good luck on the build.

You should bring it to Yuma when your done. I'm sure we can find a trail or two to test it on. :D

[Kaistie]

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/42111/2762444450048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2762444450048043617GKpuuh)
http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/39881/2450575250048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2450575250048043617fpehAx)
http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/40161/2739628350048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2739628350048043617YYbdVS)
http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/5532/2233738370048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2233738370048043617QLoKZM)
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/39496/2681466390048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2681466390048043617kvpTKe)

Using schedule 40 pipe for mock up. Looking at keeping about 6 degrees of castor. Withoug notching the frame for the tie rod, that is about as stuffed as she will go. Also, without relocating the steering box, that is as far forward as she will go. Plan on using air bump with a strike pad on the lower link.

[howyadoin]

Looking good! Now get back to work!:D

[MerMan]

Looking good! Now get back to work!:D

X2 buddy!:whip:

[Spinnas]

NICE! :headbang: Have you thought about running your tie-rod under the arms to get a couple more inches of uptravel? Looks not so tucked, but when it flexes you still have to have room, can't see the top of your fender though and who knows with the Tacamas. Also, I don't know if you want to put a strike plate for an air bump on a link, I have seen a few people do this and lets just say it was changed after a small amount of time.

[Kaistie]

I had thought about running it (Tie rod) under the arm, but will need to drill out the arms for a 3/4" heim bolt, no big deal. They are currently tappered for rod ends. It is an option I may go with, but I also don't want a bunch of headaches with clearance and the fender. By limiting there I may be doing myself a big favor. As it stands right now, the compressed shock is around 26" eye to eye. That puts me to about 2" below the hood. Plus, you know us giants, we like to step up into our rigs, not down:p
So what is the deal with a strike plate on the lower link? I could see a potential problem of bending the link, but my plan is to keep it as close to the link mount as possible. I just want to move it far enough out of the way so the panhard bracket has a place to stuff.
Thanks for the advice...

[Kaistie]

Here are some more pics so you can see why I can't really stuff any more.
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/41772/2653004600048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2653004600048043617chZTcy)
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/41444/2611929760048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2611929760048043617cnxuez)

[FAUX X 4]

Here are some more pics so you can see why I can't really stuff any more.
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/41772/2653004600048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2653004600048043617chZTcy)
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/41444/2611929760048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2611929760048043617cnxuez)


Whadda ya mean?............. that's where mine sits at ride height. :D

[Kaistie]

Well, I am not going to get greedy with the ride height. I actually want to keep the same ride height that I had before. That should give me about 4" of uptravel. The limiting factor before was the panhard hitting the oil pan, and the driver drag link rod end hitting the leaf under full stuff. The draglink problem is solved, but I will have to get creative with the panhard. The way it sits right now is about 2" more stuffed than it was on leafs.
I am thinking a flat pitman arm might be the way to go, or even a 3/4 less drop arm.

[Spinnas]

I hear ya, just throuwing out ideas as I have no idea about clearances to oil pan, frame, fenders on your rig. As for the air bumps, it was from bending links if the contact point wasn't close to the end and breaking ends if it was towards the end(small heims). If you went with big heims, I could see it working, but your links would always have to be in a certain spot of the pad to be correct. IIRC, Jeff from Ballistic built his out in front of his axle a bit(maybe it was behind, I've drank since then), but he has full hydro steering... And go with heims on your steering, I had TREs and they sucked, went to heims with a worse setup and it works far better.

[Kaistie]

Yeah, that is what I thought. I figure with 3" joints, and 2.5" .375 DOM I should be ok if I stay close to the mount. Who knows, I may end up putting somewhere completely different. I also agree with the heims for the drag link. I am going to keep the rod ends for the tie rod since they do not flex, but for the drag link and panhard I will most likely go with heims.

Question though...with the lower links, the idea is to keep them as flat as possible for ride height right? I want to stuff the frame mounts up further to keep them out of the rocks, but I am not sure how that relates to drivability on the road. I am definitely not going to lower them any, but would like to go up into the frame more.

[howyadoin]

Time to notch the oil pan!:saw: :welder:

[Spinnas]

Run the link calculator from Pirate, but I think you want your upper links to be as flat as possible.

[howyadoin]

Run the link calculator from Pirate, but I think you want your upper links to be as flat as possible.

Ding, Ding, Ding....winnar!

[FAUX X 4]

Upper should be flat........ lowers should be as flat as possible to prevent "Jacking" under load/braking............. having them fairly long helps with that and helps minimize roll steer.......... I wouldn't hesitate to tuck those lowers up a bit to get 'em out of the rocks.......... mine take a beating hanging as low as they do (just had to re-enforce the mounts and fix some cracked welds this weekend) I also would run the tierod under the arm to keep it off the frame and gain some breathing room.......... hell, I'd start notching the frame and stuff too............ but that's just me! :D

[Spinnas]

Upper should be flat........ lowers should be as flat as possible to prevent "Jacking" under load/braking............. having them fairly long helps with that and helps minimize roll steer.......... I wouldn't hesitate to tuck those lowers up a bit to get 'em out of the rocks.......... mine take a beating hanging as low as they do (just had to re-enforce the mounts and fix some cracked welds this weekend) I also would run the tierod under the arm to keep it off the frame and gain some breathing room.......... hell, I'd start notching the frame and stuff too............ but that's just me! :D

Yeah, but Nate likes to wheel ~everyother weekend as opposed to your bi-annual schedule:lmao:

[FAUX X 4]

Yeah, but Nate likes to wheel ~everyother weekend as opposed to your bi-annual schedule:lmao:

He also has a much deeper bank account than I do............. I'd be out breaking my junk allot more often if I could afford it!

Besides, I make my Bi-annual trips count damnit!! :flipoff4:

[Symon623]

Yeah, but Nate likes to wheel ~everyother weekend as opposed to your bi-annual schedule:lmao:

:rofl: I was thinkin the same thing.

The link calculator is more critical for the rear than the front. :2cents:

[howyadoin]

The link calculator is more critical for the rear than the front. :2cents:


I agree with that statement...that damn anit-squat will seriously screw-up your waterfall fun!:eek:

[Symon623]

I agree with that statement...that damn anit-squat will seriously screw-up your waterfall fun!:eek:

I don't go be that damn thing anyways...... my numbers are prolly off the scale. I built mine based on available space, budget, clearence, budget, past experiences, and did I mention budget? It works alright.....

[Kaistie]

Sy, that is the way I am headed. It is afterall a three link, not four...or should I say three link with a panhard, not triangulated.

I am no Mr. Money Bags by any stretch of the imagination, but I do have a wife that is a CFP so we have no revolving debt and invest wisely. That makes life much easier for sure. However, my now dead cat really cut into the link budget. You guys would not believe what it cost to have an animal stay in an ER for 24hrs!!!! Lets just say you could buy 8 new 42" tsl's....with warranties!!

[Symon623]

Sy, that is the way I am headed. It is afterall a three link, not four...or should I say three link with a panhard, not triangulated.

I am no Mr. Money Bags by any stretch of the imagination, but I do have a wife that is a CFP so we have no revolving debt and invest wisely. That makes life much easier for sure. However, my now dead cat really cut into the link budget. You guys would not believe what it cost to have an animal stay in an ER for 24hrs!!!! Lets just say you could buy 8 new 42" tsl's....with warranties!!

not to mention all the foo foo duvet cover shoppin you have to do.....:p

Not making light of your loss just flippin the poo.

BTW, Tuesday was my chance to get over, :mad: Have to check out the rest of the week and see what I got? Happy :xbeer3: day eve BTW.

[Kaistie]

Hehehehehe, how did I know that was going to come up again!

No worries. I was just looking at the way I hae the axle situated and it looks like I need to scoot that bitch back an inch or so. Its kind of hard to tell where it will make contact with the front of the fender under stuff, but just using a tape it looks grim. Also, moving the tierod to the bottom of the arm doesn't seem likely because of the diff cover. So, I am at somewhat of standstill. My inexperience is starting to show.

[FAUX X 4]

Hehehehehe, how did I know that was going to come up again!

No worries. I was just looking at the way I hae the axle situated and it looks like I need to scoot that bitch back an inch or so. Its kind of hard to tell where it will make contact with the front of the fender under stuff, but just using a tape it looks grim. Also, moving the tierod to the bottom of the arm doesn't seem likely because of the diff cover. So, I am at somewhat of standstill. My inexperience is starting to show.

You should have plenty of room on that mega high-steer setup to drop the tierod under the arm or just run a beef one on the factory horns on the Dedenbar's. Remember, the axle's going to stuff forward and be all up in the front clips business......... build it a full stuff, put tires on it and check clearance both at straight compression and articulated (one side stuffed only) You don't need to worry to much about staying away from the firewall this time.

[Kaistie]

Well, I put the tires on and turned full lock and everything clears. The real issue, and I know why you guys went this way, is the steering box. It really is causing a lot of grief. It really limits axle placement. Also, it would be great if I could drop the tierod down to the arms on the knuckle, but I am afraid of smashing it like Mike and Josh.

[FAUX X 4]

Well, I put the tires on and turned full lock and everything clears. The real issue, and I know why you guys went this way, is the steering box. It really is causing a lot of grief. It really limits axle placement. Also, it would be great if I could drop the tierod down to the arms on the knuckle, but I am afraid of smashing it like Mike and Josh.

I have a 2" 350 wall Chromoly tierod that I used to run on the factory horns that I beat the living piss out of without issue. I have since re-worked a bunch of stuff to meet in the middle with a middle steer setup (so to say) with the tierod under the arm on the forward holes of the arms. You should be alright with the toy steering box compared to the Scout II setup I'm running...... You'll have to see the creative way I delt with that on a linked truck! :rolleyes:

Trust me, you're going to want the extra clearance anywhere you can get it under there.

[Symon623]

We can move the box kid, my TR is on teh stock locale on top of the knuckles. Drive carefully.

[Kaistie]

Yeah, I just took the tierod off to see what it looked like, but I can't get enough thread on the rod end to get a nut on it from the bottom. That whole taper thing keeps it from going in the bottom. I really don't see it clearing the diff. I did try it on the bottom arm of the knuckle and it would make life easier, but it sure hangs out there in the danger zone. I actually thought I heard it say "No, not down there!" I could do like Mike and turn the axle to 30 degrees of castor, that would help the situation a little:xmoon:

[Kaistie]

We can move the box kid, my TR is on teh stock locale on top of the knuckles. Drive carefully.


But you are 6" narrower. I am wide and low. Plus, careful is not in wheeling vocabulary:p I guess I could get one of them new fandangled shinny aluminum bar thingy majags to put down there.:D

[howyadoin]

I could do like Mike and turn the axle to 30 degrees of castor, that would help the situation a little:xmoon:


See, 30 degrees of castor and one of those shiny things down there, and you'll be $$$$$$! Finally, someone sees my logic!:D

[Kaistie]

Your logic is undeniable Mike.

[Symon623]

But you are 6" narrower. I am wide and low. Plus, careful is not in wheeling vocabulary:p I guess I could get one of them new fandangled shinny aluminum bar thingy majags to put down there.:D

What does narrower have to do with anyhting? I have smaller tires than you too......:p

I'll come by Wednesday evening and see WTF you got goin on?

[Kaistie]

Well, I was raised in equipment that was designed to push, break, destroy, or otherwise crush stone and anything of the like. So, I guess that mentality has carried on throughout adulthood:D

Cool, I will make sure to put things where they don't belong, just to test you...

[BOVADS]

just a thought....
dry sump your motor, so you'd have a little pan, more stuff clearence and free up alot of hp.
?

[Symon623]

just a thought....
dry sump your motor, so you'd have a little pan, more stuff clearence and free up alot of hp.
?

He could just silicone a bumpstop to the pan?

How does a dry sump free up HP?

[grumpy]

all those friction losses because of the engine driven oil pump!!!:rolleyes: :lmao:

[grumpy]

"the steering box. It really is causing a lot of grief. It really limits axle placement."

2 words Scout box


2 other words full hydro-LOL

you still need the floor jack???

[BOVADS]

How does a dry sump free up HP?

Your kidding right?

[Kaistie]

"the steering box. It really is causing a lot of grief. It really limits axle placement."

2 words Scout box


2 other words full hydro-LOL

you still need the floor jack???

Oh my God, what a concept!!! Why didn't I think of that!! I don't want full hydro yet, but am considering a scout box. See my posts from yesterday. Oh, and welcome to the game G, Get your special helmet on and get on the field already.:lmao:

[grumpy]

Oh my God, what a concept!!! Why didn't I think of that!! I don't want full hydro yet, but am considering a scout box. See my posts from yesterday. Oh, and welcome to the game G, Get your special helmet on and get on the field already.:lmao:

I doubt you'll like full hydro on the street.

I have no need to follow your sorry ass post!!!! I hear it straight from the horses ass, errr mouth!!!!!:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Kaistie]

Well then get the hell out! You are starting to stink the place up...:slap: :neener:

[grumpy]

so you agree that your ass is stinking this plaace up!!!!!! too funny

[FAUX X 4]

"the steering box. It really is causing a lot of grief. It really limits axle placement."

2 words Scout box


Not really............ It makes for more of a headache than a Toy box on a link setup.

[grumpy]

Not really............ It makes for more of a headache than a Toy box on a link setup.

didn't know that. how so??

[FAUX X 4]

didn't know that. how so??

It's right in the way of everything for up-travel and it swings the tierod back into everything instead of away like a toy box. You have to get really creative with frame notching and placement to make it work.

[TBob]

I've got a scout box I can sell you -

[Kaistie]

How much? Is it tapped and ported for hydro? I will have a freshly buily tapped and ported IFS box for trade if interested. I am not sure if this the way to go or not. Sy is coming over this week and we are going to work some things out. I may be able to keep the IFS box if we can get it moved forward a little. the problem is that damn body mount and rad support.

[TBob]

I pretty sure I paid $60 - so it's yours for the same.
Not rebuilt not tapped. I don't need a box. :D

How much? Is it tapped and ported for hydro? I will have a freshly buily tapped and ported IFS box for trade if interested. I am not sure if this the way to go or not. Sy is coming over this week and we are going to work some things out. I may be able to keep the IFS box if we can get it moved forward a little. the problem is that damn body mount and rad support.

[Kaistie]

Cool. Let me work a few things out and I will get back to you on that. Did you find out about the tire guy?

[TBob]

yea he's ok with me picking it up the weekend I come out to help you.
Oh and the box doesn't have a pitman arm - talk to Eric about it's where abouts.

Cool. Let me work a few things out and I will get back to you on that. Did you find out about the tire guy?

[FAUX X 4]

Oh and the box doesn't have a pitman arm - talk to Eric about it where abouts.

It's on the floor in my garage! :D

[MerMan]

It's on the floor in my garage! :D

Really? Where's mine at;)

[FAUX X 4]

Really? Where's mine at;)

...on the floor in my garage!........... you want it back? :D

[howyadoin]

...on the floor in my garage!........... you want it back? :D

Does it have any splines?:eek:

[FAUX X 4]

Does it have any splines?:eek:


one or two.......... I can die grind those out real quick though if he wants! :D

[howyadoin]

one or two.......... I can die grind those out real quick though if he wants! :D

I hear they work much better if you machine out the centers!:D

[FAUX X 4]

I hear they work much better if you machine out the centers!:D

The key is to run a tapered bolt about half the size of the hole in the hiem with crush washers and a bit of a cut up pepsi one can jammed in it to take up the slack! :D

[howyadoin]

The key is to run a tapered bolt about half the size of the hole in the hiem with crush washers and a bit of a cut up pepsi one can jammed in it to take up the slack! :D

Can you substitute other cans for the slack? I rarely carry any of those on the trail...........:dunno:

[FAUX X 4]

Can you substitute other cans for the slack? I rarely carry any of those on the trail...........:dunno:

You could try, but the manual specifically states to use a pepsi one can! :D

[Kaistie]

Made a little progress this weekend. I have the lower link mounts figured out. THe crossmember will bolt to these, once I get it modified.
http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/9846/2155316790048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2155316790048043617vPcieQ)
http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/4792/2683193040048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2683193040048043617hAaICh)
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/37668/2910304530048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2910304530048043617HXyEcK)
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/38787/2441516310048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2441516310048043617rfuJLG)

[MerMan]

Lookin good Nate!!:welder:

[lvanst]

Hey, Nate can lay down some nice beads! Mike had me convinced that booger welds were the latest technique. I think he may have been pulling my leg...

:D

[Kaistie]

Hehehehe, pretty weldz are over rated. Booger weldz are where its at!

[Symon623]

Hey, Nate can lay down some nice beads! Mike had me convinced that booger welds were the latest technique. I think he may have been pulling my leg...

:D

Hehehehe, pretty weldz are over rated. Booger weldz are where its at!

It's all about the penetration boys...... :D

Lookin good Nate. anymore progress?

[Kaistie]

Just the lower link mounts. It took me two days to figure out how I was going to incorporate it with the crossmember mount. There will be a lot of stress on those mounts and I needed to make sure they would hold. I tend to design a little over what is needed though, so I think I will be ok. I have been running that Miller 175 at 10 on the power dial...going deep baby:bhump: Going to try and get the crossmember modified tonight and get the upper mount placed. From there, coils will be going in, panhard, and hydro. I really want to be done by the end of the month, but other obligations may prevent that from happening.

[howyadoin]

Nate, if you need me to, I could swing by and give you a hand. My last project turned out really well!
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/howyadoinaz/pirate/P1000154.jpg

[FAUX X 4]

....and I thought my belly clearance was too low! :lmao:

[howyadoin]

....and I thought my belly clearance was too low! :lmao:

Dude, I'm just saving up for some 49" Iroks!:kewl:

[FAUX X 4]

Dude, I'm just saving up for some 49" Iroks!:kewl:

Well, your rear driveline angle looks good though! :D

[TBob]

amazing.....

Nate, if you need me to, I could swing by and give you a hand. My last project turned out really well!
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/howyadoinaz/pirate/P1000154.jpg

[howyadoin]

Sorry Nate, any new pics?:D
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/howyadoinaz/pirate/Offtopic.jpg

[Kaistie]

Just being lazy right now.....
http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/21124/2911204970048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2911204970048043617jhnvRJ)

[howyadoin]

Nate, that's fawkin' disgusting!






















http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/howyadoinaz/pirate/motivation-judgement.jpg
:flipoff1:

[FAUX X 4]

Yeah Nate, that's uncalled for!
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/FAUX_X_4/Random/funny-pictures-monkey-moe-ZAQ.jpg

[lvanst]

Thanks! I just pissed myself... :rofl:

[Kaistie]

Beat, I am! Made some progress...
http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/43171/2375377690048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2375377690048043617SbKkbo)
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/5284/2401156920048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2401156920048043617DQsayt)
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/12806/2586562370048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2586562370048043617UYSykr)
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/41663/2939449200048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2939449200048043617PUhDrD)

Should be able to start the CO mounts next week. Going to have to figure out the second cat placement. I cut it out for now, maybe I can turn it.

[MerMan]

Good progress Nate.Lookin good.:)

[TBob]

how does the pinion rotation look at droop?
whats the vertical seperation?
I like the adjustable top link - :kewl:

[Kaistie]

Not sure what the pinion will look like at full droop. Should be able to check later this week. The way it is set right now it should not go past 10-15 degrees castor at full droop. Vertical separation is about 7" at the axle. At the rear mounts it is about 2". Also, the top link will be almost perfectly flat at ride height as will the drag link and panhard. It is coming along quite nicely. Getting bogged down with having to refab everything, but the hard part is almost over. Just have to build the CO mounts. I do need a bender and am not sure what to do about that. I plan on using 1.5 .120 DOM. for the mounts. Should be an easy bend for most benders. If all else fails I will get the HF one....

[TBob]

sounds like you need to take a trip to my place-

Not sure what the pinion will look like at full droop. Should be able to check later this week. The way it is set right now it should not go past 10-15 degrees castor at full droop. Vertical separation is about 7" at the axle. At the rear mounts it is about 2". Also, the top link will be almost perfectly flat at ride height as will the drag link and panhard. It is coming along quite nicely. Getting bogged down with having to refab everything, but the hard part is almost over. Just have to build the CO mounts. I do need a bender and am not sure what to do about that. I plan on using 1.5 .120 DOM. for the mounts. Should be an easy bend for most benders. If all else fails I will get the HF one....

[Kaistie]

yeah, might need to....

[Kaistie]

Lowered the lower link mounts so seperation is at 9". Bit the bullet and ordered all the rest of my steering parts from Ballistic. Ouch!! This thing is a huge pit of dispare!!

[MerMan]

Lowered the lower link mounts so seperation is at 9". Bit the bullet and ordered all the rest of my steering parts from Ballistic. Ouch!! This thing is a huge pit of dispare!!

Hey me too on the steering parts,no wonder the phone was so bussy:p

[RadRyan(Fabwerx)]

Not sure what the pinion will look like at full droop. Should be able to check later this week. The way it is set right now it should not go past 10-15 degrees castor at full droop. Vertical separation is about 7" at the axle. At the rear mounts it is about 2". Also, the top link will be almost perfectly flat at ride height as will the drag link and panhard. It is coming along quite nicely. Getting bogged down with having to refab everything, but the hard part is almost over. Just have to build the CO mounts. I do need a bender and am not sure what to do about that. I plan on using 1.5 .120 DOM. for the mounts. Should be an easy bend for most benders. If all else fails I will get the HF one....
I have an 1.5 inch die. Swing by i'm off of 21ave and unionhills. Pm me and i'll give you directions.
Ryan

[Kaistie]

Cool, thanks.

[TBob]

Good deal Nate that will be alot better :kewl:

Lowered the lower link mounts so seperation is at 9". Bit the bullet and ordered all the rest of my steering parts from Ballistic. Ouch!! This thing is a huge pit of dispare!!

[TBob]

update pics?

[Kaistie]

No new pics, but I did clean the garage to prepare for the $500 of steering parts coming from Ballistic tomorrow, does that count as work? I did cut the passenger side fender and shoved the co through to get an idea of what it might look like for angle and clearance. I am kind of at a stand still with the upper mounts. I either need to buy a cheap bender, or build it out of something I dont have to bend. I appreciate you guys offering to bend some stuff for me, but I really need to do it here for mock up. Maybe I can do it out of 1.5x.1.5x.188 square. I already have some and should be able to build something.

[TBob]

comon Nate - your making it more difficult than it has to be.
Figure out the hieght and then the width of the base and bend a tube.


No new pics, but I did clean the garage to prepare for the $500 of steering parts coming from Ballistic tomorrow, does that count as work? I did cut the passenger side fender and shoved the co through to get an idea of what it might look like for angle and clearance. I am kind of at a stand still with the upper mounts. I either need to buy a cheap bender, or build it out of something I dont have to bend. I appreciate you guys offering to bend some stuff for me, but I really need to do it here for mock up. Maybe I can do it out of 1.5x.1.5x.188 square. I already have some and should be able to build something.

[Mark in Az]

Even though you have a lot of other square tube, I don't think square would look good on the CO mounts:2cents:

[FAUX X 4]

I think you should just use some plate! :2cents: :D

[TBob]

wonder if he has any -

I think you should just use some plate! :2cents: :D

[FAUX X 4]

wonder if he has any -

I have a hunch he does! :D

[Kaistie]

Alright alright alright, no square tube...fuckers!

[TBob]

:worthless

[JOSHHOEFER]

So far so good. I like.

[Kaistie]

Got my stuff in from Jeff. Built the double shear for the heims on the arms. I like my steering tight like.....well......uuuhhmmmm...............
http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/41159/2609154660048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2609154660048043617bHQjXP)
http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/43168/2698771890048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2698771890048043617GYcIdB)
http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/19020/2841873480048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2841873480048043617oGGZoB)
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/1605/2473642370048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2473642370048043617tZjzvK)
http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/41665/2099821690048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2099821690048043617daizwc)
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/43327/2202894920048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2202894920048043617VDzWLb)
http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/40957/2179114390048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2179114390048043617yrXCLk)
Working on the panhard mount. I am at kind of an impass on the pitman arm. If I get the 3/4 less drop pitman arm I will be better able to mount the panhard because right now, the draglink slopes up from the pitman arm up to the steering arm. Sacrafice is that the draglink heims will have greater stress on them at full droop with the 3/4 less drop arm. If I keep the pitman I have it will allow the draglink and panhard to be flat at ride height, and will keep the heims from maxing out at full droop. If anyone has advice on this decision I am all ears.

[FAUX X 4]

Looking good! I like the double sheer! :xpimp:

Does the panhard clear the diff where it's at?

My pitman arm is tucked up and recessed into the frame and I have zero problems with the heim maxing out on droop, just be sure you have proper high misalignment spacers.

[Kaistie]

Well, with the pitman arm I have, to get the panhard to match the draglink at ride height, I would have to basically lay the panhard on top of the diff on the driver side, and right to the bottom of the frame on the pass side. It should clear, but it will be close. No room for anymore up travel. That kind of sucks because I am trying to build about 1/2-3/4" "Fluff", if you will, into the setup for those really hard hits.

[FAUX X 4]

Well, with the pitman arm I have, to get the panhard to match the draglink at ride height, I would have to basically lay the panhard on top of the diff on the driver side, and right to the bottom of the frame on the pass side. It should clear, but it will be close. No room for anymore up travel. That kind of sucks because I am trying to build about 1/2-3/4" "Fluff", if you will, into the setup for those really hard hits.

Gottcha ;)

............. question.... why didn't you just order the double sheer arms from Jeff to start? (Just curious) :dunno:

[Kaistie]

Becuse when I rebuilt the truck I thought I would be running leaf springs with rod ends, not links with heims. Things changed quickly, and honestly I didn't know about needing double shear with heims until I started doing my link research. If I had to do it all over again, I would have started with those blingin' arms.

[FAUX X 4]

Oh, I didn't realize you already had those arms before...... my bad! :o

[Kaistie]

Yep, got them when I switched to the 60/14 about 10 months ago....They had to be drilled and sleeved, or at least the draglink hole did. Reemed the front out to 7/8 and sleeved down to 5/8.

[howyadoin]

I like the double shear as well, are you planning on going full hydro?

[Kaistie]

Not yet, and no plans just to, but that may change. I really want to keep the truck streetable. I really don't have the option to trailer it right now.

[RadRyan(Fabwerx)]

just go full hydro and that will fix it!:kewl: looks good though.

[TBob]

I want to see a pic from the front -

Got my stuff in from Jeff. Built the double shear for the heims on the arms. I like my steering tight like.....well......uuuhhmmmm...............
http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/41159/2609154660048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2609154660048043617bHQjXP)
http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/43168/2698771890048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2698771890048043617GYcIdB)
http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/19020/2841873480048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2841873480048043617oGGZoB)
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/1605/2473642370048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2473642370048043617tZjzvK)
http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/41665/2099821690048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2099821690048043617daizwc)
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/43327/2202894920048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2202894920048043617VDzWLb)
http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/40957/2179114390048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2179114390048043617yrXCLk)
Working on the panhard mount. I am at kind of an impass on the pitman arm. If I get the 3/4 less drop pitman arm I will be better able to mount the panhard because right now, the draglink slopes up from the pitman arm up to the steering arm. Sacrafice is that the draglink heims will have greater stress on them at full droop with the 3/4 less drop arm. If I keep the pitman I have it will allow the draglink and panhard to be flat at ride height, and will keep the heims from maxing out at full droop. If anyone has advice on this decision I am all ears.

[Kaistie]

So, it appears the link seperation at the crossmember needs to be increased. Right now it is at 2" and needs to be at 4.5". At full droop the axle rolls forward and causes the tierod to get into the draglink. I am losing too much castor at droop and the axle is rolling forward??? I think raising the upper link mount at the crossmember will fix that. Anyway, that will be about it for droop. I may be able to squeeze another inch of up travel on the driver side though. I will be building a double shear for the pitman arm as well...
http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/27897/2094056950048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2094056950048043617bGXajE)
http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/41438/2954296550048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2954296550048043617mOMYxv)
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/35523/2952375490048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2952375490048043617Fosofx)
http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/40211/2494607940048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2494607940048043617MvNuqa)
http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/12505/2310500810048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2310500810048043617JrNMYX)
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/43244/2816826600048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2816826600048043617EknzTa)

[tufftoy]

so are you sampling the air quality under your truck? its an odd use for an o2 sensor:D

[Symon623]

lookin good Nate, you've gotten alot done while I was gone........ I watched/spotted a 3rd gen truck down white knucle hill on behind the rocks with CO front and stock leaves rear, teh front was doin all the flexing and looked rather unstable and scary. make sure you get stiff front springs to keep balance.:2cents:

[Kaistie]

Well, I have the chebbies on the rear and they are quite broken in. They are pretty soft so I am hoping that helps. I still think my spring rate is too soft at 250 over 300. Getting the CO mounts built now. Got the ABS pulled and BPV installed yesterday.

[TBob]

Hope you plumbed it right. :D

Got the ABS pulled and BPV installed yesterday.

[Kaistie]

Made sense to me. Course I have been accused of having a few wires crossed in the past so anything is possible. My luck I will press the brake pedal and the clutch will disengage:eek: Thanks again....

[Symon623]

Well, I have the chebbies on the rear and they are quite broken in. They are pretty soft so I am hoping that helps. I still think my spring rate is too soft at 250 over 300. Getting the CO mounts built now. Got the ABS pulled and BPV installed yesterday.

This guy had relatively new aftermarket packs. sounds lik eit's coming along pretty good.

[Kaistie]

Yeah, had some issues with the upper link not having enough speperation at the frame. It was around 2" and needs to be 4.5". I drooped the axle out using jacks and the axle rolled forward to about 20 degrees negative castor and pushed the tierod into the pitman arm. So, I am shortening it and moving it up, should fix the problem. I am ready for an experienced eye when you got time. I am very hesitant to weld anything until I am relatively sure about what I did.

[grumpy]

"I am very hesitant to weld anything until I am relatively sure about what I did."

so it will never get welded??????:lmao: :lmao:

[Kaistie]

Pretty much....

[TBob]

maybe try one thing at a time - raise upper link first, if it still doesn't work then shorten.

Yeah, had some issues with the upper link not having enough speperation at the frame. It was around 2" and needs to be 4.5". I drooped the axle out using jacks and the axle rolled forward to about 20 degrees negative castor and pushed the tierod into the pitman arm. So, I am shortening it and moving it up, should fix the problem. I am ready for an experienced eye when you got time. I am very hesitant to weld anything until I am relatively sure about what I did.

[Kaistie]

That is exactly what I was planning on doing.

[TBob]

:kewl: :bitchslap

That is exactly what I was planning on doing.

[TBob]

well how did it work out?

[Kaistie]

Haven't done it yet. My Brothers wife gave birth Sunday night and I went to see the baby yesterday. Plus, it was too damn hot to do anything. Should make some progress tonight.

[TBob]

sup - any updates? Least this weekend you should have decent weather.

[Kaistie]

Nothing. Plan on hitting hard this weekend and hope to have it out of the garage by Monday afternoon. Ray is coming over to help relocate that battery, and I should have the CO mounts ready by then. Other than that all that is left to do is figure out what needs to happen with all the Evap shit. I am kind of gathering from Pirate that I can just leave it the way it is.??

[Symon623]

Nothing. Plan on hitting hard this weekend and hope to have it out of the garage by Monday afternoon. Ray is coming over to help relocate that battery, and I should have the CO mounts ready by then. Other than that all that is left to do is figure out what needs to happen with all the Evap shit. I am kind of gathering from Pirate that I can just leave it the way it is.??

gotta git-r-dun by the 4th of july :D

[Kaistie]

Staying in line with the "Overkill" theam, I used the scrap 2.5/.365 DOM I had and sleeved it with 1.5/.250!! Gussetted it and it is pretty damn solid just tacked. I amy be able to get away with not building a lateral brace. It would be nice though to have something to mount the rez to...
http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/41072/2239438270048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2239438270048043617ExWMBd)
http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/39697/2620743450048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2620743450048043617TztvOg)
http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/41117/2848491330048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2848491330048043617Udemlr)
http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/40698/2546345730048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2546345730048043617nekIEC)

[howyadoin]

Needs more triangulation!:D

[Kaistie]

Thanks ramp boy!:boobies: Enjoy your weekend, I will be out to play soon.

[howyadoin]

Thanks ramp boy!:boobies: Enjoy your weekend, I will be out to play soon.

I'll take pics of my broken driveshaft for you!:D

[FAUX X 4]

I just had a feeling you'd find a way to work some flat plate in! :D

[TBob]

yea but why isn't it here?
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/aztbob/nate-plate.jpg

I just had a feeling you'd find a way to work some flat plate in! :D

[FAUX X 4]

yea but why isn't it here?
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/aztbob/nate-plate.jpg
:confused: Why you askin me? :D

Oh, and Nate.............. lose the wiper res before your tire takes it off for you! :lmao:

[Kaistie]

I have plans to move it, but right now it still appears to be fine. I really didn't move the axle forward from what it was with leafs because of the tierod/pitman arm interference issue. If I was running a Scout box I could move the axle further forward

Bob, I thought about it and I really don't think I need anything there. Most of the force is going through the vertical piece. That hoop is really there for any lateral movement (front to back) that might be encountered. All the work is being done by that huge chunck of steel. It is plated and the hoop is catching part of the plate.

[TBob]

yea just a bit dissappointing with the whole overkill theme - :D

I have plans to move it, but right now it still appears to be fine. I really didn't move the axle forward from what it was with leafs because of the tierod/pitman arm interference issue. If I was running a Scout box I could move the axle farther forward

Bob, I thought about it and I really don't think I need anything there. Most of the force is going through the vertical piece. That hoop is really there for any lateral movement (front to back) that might be encountered. All the work is being done by that huge chunck of steel. It is plated and the hoop is catching part of the plate.

[TBob]

cause someone needs to talk to you. :flipoff4:

:confused: Why you askin me? :D

Oh, and Nate.............. lose the wiper res before your tire takes it off for you! :lmao:

[FAUX X 4]

cause someone needs to talk to you. :flipoff4:

Doesn't bother me......... I talk to myself all the time anyway!:D

[Kaistie]

Should have it down on all four today. Got to do a lot of buttoning up of things like exhaust, battery relo, and the evap stuf, but should be driving by next weekend. I did have some clearance problem, nothing too major.
http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/38240/2403054080048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2403054080048043617gPQveb)
http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/19471/2086655850048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2086655850048043617VuNGfv)
http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/43629/2281007300048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2281007300048043617YUHUMO)http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/39330/2760808790048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2760808790048043617khbyVQ)
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/33416/2181858310048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2181858310048043617ZsXtIJ)
http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/41652/2507614880048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2507614880048043617ZDrMAX)
Sorry about the ugly mug in the background on that last one.:p

[azredtaco]

Lookin good nate :xsmokin1:

You been taking time off work? No one gets things done that fast around here- we prefer to wheel the jackstands as long as possible. It saves on gas and tires :D

[howyadoin]

Looks GREAT Nate! Where else are you tying in your "enging cage/hoop"? Work looks really clean, congrats on being so close, so quickly!

[Kaistie]

That's it! I may go back to the top of the frame if I find it needs it. Right now the problem is getting the coils to clear the steering arm at full stuff.

[Heatstroke]

That's it! I may go back to the top of the frame if I find it needs it. Right now the problem is getting the coils to clear the steering arm at full stuff.

Lookn good (well not the face in the background, LOL). Hurry up and figure it out, I may decide to bro out my truck too :eek: . Saturday was soo much fun, I think some fix'n is in order and then the "It owes me" tour will be awn again.

[Kaistie]

24hrs of work over three days and finally!!
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/41631/2846970590048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2846970590048043617dWinFi)
http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/29173/2205535520048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2205535520048043617vzIkVf)
http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/17046/2047666550048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2047666550048043617qexaDr)
http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/26761/2481409840048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2481409840048043617khctay)
http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/43063/2883576930048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2883576930048043617lfmOVY)
http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/27403/2509673780048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2509673780048043617NeIYZz)

Got some things to fix like the lower shock mounts need to be turner 180 degrees as well as made a little thicker. Maybe 3/8" Same thing for the frame side panhard mount...needs to be 3/8". Overall I am closing in on it.

[Symon623]

lookin good Nate....... The engine hoop and resovoir mounts are cool.

[Kaistie]

Lookn good (well not the face in the background, LOL). Hurry up and figure it out, I may decide to bro out my truck too :eek: . Saturday was soo much fun, I think some fix'n is in order and then the "It owes me" tour will be awn again.


I think I got it figured out. Tried to use the link calc on Pirate, but was overwhelmed with all the numbers. I followed the idea that if the panhard is flat and the draglink is flat it should behave fairly well on road. Off road, we will see.

[Symon623]

I think I got it figured out. Tried to use the link calc on Pirate, but was overwhelmed with all the numbers. I followed the idea that if the panhard is flat and the draglink is flat it should behave fairly well on road. Off road, we will see.

Good theory Nate, thats the plan I had and it worked out pretty good considering I have no bumpsteer and now with the Dodge and it's §ll_ll§ front suspension that DC spent millions to engineer, both trucks behace exactly the same on the highway, cept teh Dodge is more stable cos of the swaybars.

[howyadoin]

Please cut off those spring perches!:D

[MerMan]

Please cut off those spring perches!:D

No, leave them! You can use them for a huge tow bar:D

[Kaistie]

Settle down now, they are coming off, they are just not at the top of the list right now. I did think about leaving them just in case I break a link I can put a leaf spring back on to get me home:D

[TBob]

:headbang: :xozzy: :dancing: :clap: :kewl: :woot:

[Mark in Az]

:clap: :xbeer1: :xbeer1: :xbeer1:

[Kaistie]

So, for youzz guyzz in the "Know", these are the numbers I calc'd for my setup. Not sure what it is going to do. I read tons of info on Pirate and have some idea of what I was supposed to shoot for. My numbers may be off.?.?.?
Geometry Summary:
Anti-Squat 135.99 %
Roll Axis Angle 9.20 degrees ( - roll understeer, + roll oversteer)
Roll Center Height 25.50 in
Instant Center X-Axis 106.82 in
Instant Center Z-Axis 37.19 in

What does all this mean? The one thing that really changes the number that I am not sure about is the sprung mass COG. These numbers are based off of 32" mass COG.

[Kaistie]

Air intake relocated and reworked, Evap stuff relocated and rewired, PS res relocated, battery leads mounted and protected, distribution block made, and fuse box moved. Pretty much everything in teh engine compartment is done. Still having some minor clearance issues that is going to require notching the frame, moving the pass side panhard bracket, and moving the CO's in about 1/2". That is all the progress for now.
http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/13201/2119193950048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2119193950048043617dhMxHf)
http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/11128/2969911370048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2969911370048043617IeLCcq)
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/40558/2574483500048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2574483500048043617QosRVL)
That is all for now. Shooting for wheeling by 4th of July.

[tufftoy]

nice use of the yellow zip ties:D

[Kaistie]

Yes, they are not my first choice, but they were all free, and high quality.

[TBob]

LOL!! - doesn't matter now. It is what it is go wheel the bitch. :D

So, for youzz guyzz in the "Know", these are the numbers I calc'd for my setup. Not sure what it is going to do. I read tons of info on Pirate and have some idea of what I was supposed to shoot for. My numbers may be off.?.?.?
Geometry Summary:
Anti-Squat 135.99 %
Roll Axis Angle 9.20 degrees ( - roll understeer, + roll oversteer)
Roll Center Height 25.50 in
Instant Center X-Axis 106.82 in
Instant Center Z-Axis 37.19 in

What does all this mean? The one thing that really changes the number that I am not sure about is the sprung mass COG. These numbers are based off of 32" mass COG.

[Kaistie]

Yeah I know. Just thought if there was something really out of wack I could fix it before it gets full welded.

[TBob]

Only way to get better numbers would be to lower the frame mounts - I don't think your gona do that.

Yeah I know. Just thought if there was something really out of wack I could fix it before it gets full welded.

[Kaistie]

I think an axle winch is going to be wise investment. I am sure I will need to suck the nose down on the steep shit!! And yes, the frame mounts are not going anywhere:welder: :welder: :welder: :welder:

[TBob]

hey post up a pic of what you did with the evap shit.

I think an axle winch is going to be wise investment. I am sure I will need to suck the nose down on the steep shit!! And yes, the frame mounts are not going anywhere:welder: :welder: :welder: :welder:

[Symon623]

Nate, since your not building a whole chassis from scratch around the suspension, I would concentrate more on how it fits and clearences more than the numbers. Plus anti squat is more critical for teh rear axle. Not so much in the front. Don't sweat the numbers.

[Kaistie]

hey post up a pic of what you did with the evap shit.

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/39542/2911584420048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2911584420048043617fPVVPN)

[Kaistie]

Nate, since your not building a whole chassis from scratch around the suspension, I would concentrate more on how it fits and clearences more than the numbers. Plus anti squat is more critical for teh rear axle. Not so much in the front. Don't sweat the numbers.

Yeah, that is what I am finding. I have never had to worry about tipping over backwards, and I don't want to start now:eek:

[Symon623]

Yeah, that is what I am finding. I have never had to worry about tipping over backwards, and I don't want to start now:eek:

You'll have to merge into Mermans league and hang with the buggy guys trails to have that issue with your limoesque w/b. :p

[Kaistie]

:flipoff1:

[TBob]

You did a good job of stuffing 10lbs of shit in a 5lb sack.

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/39542/2911584420048043617S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2911584420048043617fPVVPN)

[MerMan]

Hell yeah Nate,get that bitch done!!

[azrain]

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/39542/2911584420048043617S600x600Q85.jpg

Hey, I really like that idea of an expansion tank on the pump reservoir! Does that seem to help keep things clean in that area now? Mine likes to spit fluid past the cap all over everything...

[Kaistie]

Yeah Mike, it does not lose a single drop! That bottle is an old nitro fuel bottle for one of my RC trucks that I cut the filler pipe down to an inch and pushed the tubing over it.