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Old 05-04-2012, 12:49 AM   #361
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well after throwing new tires and wheels on muh junk...

I found out that it changed life for the trailer's tongue height.

so... I tried leveling the trailer to the truck with a 5 1/4" drop hitch...
and after looking at that a bit... decided I didn't like that so much.

Sooo... I decided to invert the Max C and see where that put me.

Is fairly close... but a little tongue high still
as the trailer is slightly canted to the rear...
but I think when I'm loaded up fully... things will settle a 'Lil at the tongue.

This again is probably only temporary...
as I'm thinking about upgrading the tires on the trailer to the 7.50 MT's

^ thinking those will give me the ride height needed
to better match up to the 295 Kooks I recently mounted to muh junk.
(I'm ignoring the spring over/axle swap mods at this point)

Anyway... anyone else running their Max Coupler inverted ?


I realize it leaves the Max C a little vulnerable...
But I'll weld a tail dragger off the hitch... so that will hit first...
and maybe save the Max C from certain death.


~I'd sure feel better if that upper nut were pinned or safety wired~







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Old 05-07-2012, 06:11 PM   #362
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I'm using a Lock-n-Roll instead of the Max Coupler so I don't have firsthand experience but I really like the Max design. I would imagine it would still work just fine inverted like you have it.

But I have the same concerns you do with protecting the coupler and the nut hitch bolt/nut upside down. My tire carrier has the hinge bolt in the same position but it doesn't have the constant load and movement that your hitch would have.

I think something like a pinned castle nut would do the trick.
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Old 05-07-2012, 09:33 PM   #363
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Red face long winded... sorry LoL

Was contemplating a purchase for a longer bolt...
seems the thickness of my drop hitch (ball mount) tongue
should be slightly less thick... another user elsewhere claims.

guess there's no standard to these ball mount drop hitches

Thinking I'll need to find a shop that could mill out the surface(s) of the drop hitch's tongue some...
grinding the surface thinner by hand and eye... well...
I'm not so sure I could grind it even or level.

So... if I can find someone who can mill out say...
the thickness of the washer above and below the drop hitch's tongue...
that would likely eliminate the need of a longer bolt.
And if a extra few threads were showing above the nut's surface..
I'd have less concern about pinning the nut.

I'm having to run it inverted at the moment...
Because I installed taller tires on my hauler...
and because using a 5.25 drop hangs too low IMO...

A hang up isn't my worst fear...
instead I'm more worried that if mounted normally
and with the 5.25 drop hitch...
the nut would get hammered up... and might even loosen that during trail use...
and a hammered nut is a bitch to put a box wrench to.

A pinned bolt would be safety pacifier if I were to run it as is...
but that's if I can find one with similar specs, but longer.


Inverted isn't the greatest solution...
but it might work out alright... as long as I can figure out a way to protect the coupler from getting too hammered.

I've thought to incorporate a "tail dragger" (not sure what to call it)
That would be welded directly to the lower side off the drop mount (myPicbelow)
and made of equally thick plate as the drop hitch...
If it holds up to the abuse... might help keep the MC from getting hammered when bottoming out on the trail.

It would likely need to hang lower then I prefer...
tho' maybe not as low as the 5.25 drop hitch (+ nut) does
But it's an option of sorts.

picture of the cloud in muh head...



^ I'm currently weighing things in my mind... testing the waters if you will.

I probably should just breakdown and purchase taller tires for the trailer..
I was ok with how it was set up before When tire sizes matched more equally...
as we're only talking 1/2" tire height increase on the hauler...
so... staying with military tires/wheels... a 7.50 might help in the matter.
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:11 AM   #364
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Unhappy taller tires on the hauler... changed the rules

so I gotta re-level the trailer some...
And figured I'd test the Max Coupler's grit

Hopefully pics will better describe..
or a least entertain this thread.


2" drop, upright coupler...(excluding coupler's 2.5 rise to pin OC )
~trailer sits tongue high~




5.25" drop upright coupler...
~I don't like that the drop sits this low, but trailer is closer to level~






0" rise, Inverted coupler... ( the coupler's pin drops 2.5" OC )
~inverted is nearly level as the 5.25 drop, with less anchor~





^ I'm trying to get as close to a level trailer as I can...
but minimize clearance or obstruction issues.
These pictures reflect an unloaded trailer and hauler...
Some added weight will likely bring it closer to level.
^ pictures above show without full load/weight to the trailer/hauler

Coupler modification...
~to offer the coupler more entry/departure angle~

before...







after...









Close up view of the couplers bolt/washer assembly...







90* stop/bump and misc pics...
~note - spare tire/bumper act as stop~





misc pictures...
~possibly I was bored~








assorted couplers...

L - R

2" d
3.25" d
4" d
5.25" d.

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Old 06-30-2012, 11:09 AM   #365
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What a sweet setup. Back it into the campsite to 90 degrees, truck bed is easily accessible, tailgate still goes down without hitting anything, its simple to "circle the wagons" and you don't even have to unhitch! And when its time to break camp, just drive away... Well thought-out, simple, functional. Great work, man!

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Old 06-30-2012, 02:54 PM   #366
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it backs purdy well into a 90*
even at the campsite...



and... is ready to roll out... in just a few



Thanks for commenting...
and the kind words
It's nice that someone else might appreciate my effort/result

intend to do some refinement to the set up...
but the summer has got to fizzle out before I will start up again
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because someone thought my safety chains were dragging too much...
I adjusted those somewhat...
crudely welded up maybe... but it should hold
if it don't... I'll cut it off and do it over









I also finally ordered/installed some red web strap to cover(sleeve) the chains
holding the fuel cans...

I think the original black web sleeves looked better,
but, oh well... I can't see it back there when I'm wheelin'

I also had to massage the stay rods holding the fuel caps secure
swelling of the fuel cans dictated that adjustment, because...
I need to tilt the cans out... and the rod was just too close.
a 5lb. sledge made it an easy adjustment







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Got to say I like what you have done to the trailer. But I have a big question for people dell. Every trailer build I see ends up being some ex military trailer It seams like you are well researched so I thought I'd ask you. Why did you go with a m100? I feel like when I want a trailer I'd just go simple and cheap and get a toy pickup bed trailer for about 100 bucks if not cheaper throw some 63 chevys on it so it has a little flex and call it good. What are your thoughts on that for the bases for a trailer,
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Thanks for the considerate words and for checking out muh build thread

^ I'm going to get back to work on it eventually (soon).
as I have a few things to finish up.
Besides giving myself a little more time for physical healing
I've been making excuses with myself and have come to realize
I have been somewhat lazy to get started up again.


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For me... it was the nostalgia, originality
and that it has proven itself reliable and durable
in the most abusive situation it could be in.

It also had to do with the commonality of parts
shared with the earlier WWII trailers... size, dimensions, weight, etc.
Tho' pricey... there is more support for the WWII junk.

I prefer the smaller earlier WWII era trailers
because they are lighter and easier to tow
especially if you really get serious about it.

The M416 is somewhat larger, heavier, etc.
and tho' it has advantages as a more spacious hauler...
It's also heavier and bulkier then it's earlier siblings.

There are probably a bunch of other reasons I went this route...
but primarily it was because I was able to find this one at a fair market price,
local to me, and thought it would make a great start for my needs.

In truth... if yer going to use a trailer and beat the holy hell outta it...
or modify it to the extremes...

I would think it better to build from scratch...
if you have the time and skillz

You'll be less concerned about it's historical value. my
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finally got around to mounting the data plates back on...
unfortunately, my current build does not allow for the original mounting locations...
so I relocated them to a custom temporary panel
Which I mounted to fit the cable box supports.

having the original data plate(s) secured to the M100... was my primary goal.
^ that ways I don't lose 'dem



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Default bump for muh junk

'cause I still have my truck ~n~ tow

Just passed smog... again
not bad for a 15 year old Tacoma sporting nearly everything original.
My junk looks and runs as good as the day I bought it.
even despite the abuse I've put 'er through and risks I've taken.

sadly... I don't get out wheelin' much these days

purchased a Corolla for the dd duties...
and that leaves my Truck ~n~ Tow largely ignored and depraved.

Was thinking of putting the Tacoma/Strick up for sale !?

as I wonder if my son will ever roll them... whence I've gone

^ lots of memories... but memories won't make it roll.

Hate to see it sit idle...
when it could be used by another whom might have more enthusiasm.

If anyone has an interest... PM me and let me know.
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Where did you pick up your coupler? I've got a M416 trailer that I am in the build process and found that my pintle hook does not fit into my AllPro rear bumper for some reason but my regular ball hitch fits. Have been following your build and am pondering changing it to the coupler style you are using. Any pros or cons that you see using it? Suggestions on vendors for parts? I don't plan on restoring the trailer to a military style but more a camping hauler. Just needs to haul the beer to the high country.
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Where did you pick up your coupler? I've got a M416 trailer that I am in the build process and found that my pintle hook does not fit into my AllPro rear bumper for some reason but my regular ball hitch fits. Have been following your build and am pondering changing it to the coupler style you are using. Any pros or cons that you see using it? Suggestions on vendors for parts? I don't plan on restoring the trailer to a military style but more a camping hauler. Just needs to haul the beer to the high country.
Think I bought the coupler from Sierra Trailers.
been awhile... so I'd need look back in this thread to be sure.

My Max coupler has held up fine...
I really like it...
even tho' a pintle/lunette hitch design can be made to work good enough.
Using the Max C. will give the quietest. most efficient connection...
and likely articulates as good, if not better then a pintle/lunette hitch could.

In order for a pintle/lunette to work well combined...
the pintle and lunette must be fitted properly...
and without too much looseness in their connection.
So selection of the best fitting pintle for the lunette utilized is the challenge.

I believe the Max Coupler has been redesigned since I bought in...
and is now rated for an even higher capacity. (9000 - 12000 lbs)
...but I honestly haven't looked as of late.


Hook up is a little more tedious...
but IMO is not a difficult thing...
especially when utilized on a lightweight 1/4 ton trailer.


Off road... the Max C. works great
and maintenance is little to nothing.

edit:

I hope you've reinforced that AP bumper/receiver !?
or have their newest designed Rr Bmpr add-on hitch thingy !?

My 1st gen Rr AP bumper had little issue
fitting a standard pintle hitch to it's receiver.
But I needed to beef it up first before towing anything.
In fact I remember the receiver insert fit was slightly on the looser side, for most hitches I inserted.
but was acceptable.

I use locking hitch pins now...
these tighten/reduce any slop between
the receiver ID and insert OD.
rock solid... and less noisy

So do you have the newer Rr Bmpr design ?
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I did purchase the bumper from them this year, with the add-on hitch deal. Got the bumper, hitch, and tow brackets. Have towed with it a few times this year, towed it with ATVs and camping gear, dump runs, lawn mowers, and it has held up. I have checked the bolts to make sure they did not get loose at all after every trip.

My lunette\pintel connection is a bit looser than I thought it should be. I'll grab a pic of it later so at least for me I'll have a better idea of what I need to do to make that connection better. Maybe I just need to give the hitch\pintle some BFH love and see if it will fit, I think I might have spent a few minutes looking at it and trying to fit it in there in a rush.

I'll take a look at Sierra and see how much more money I need to spend.
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My lunette\pintel connection is a bit looser than I thought it should be.
There need be some play in that fit...
just not too much.

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Maybe I just need to give the hitch\pintle some BFH love and see if it will fit, I think I might have spent a few minutes looking at it and trying to fit it in there in a rush.
Are you saying that the pintle hitch's receiver shaft holes don't line up correctly when inserted into the AP receiver ?
Is it solid bar or sq. tube ? Made in china ?

BFH might work...
but I wouldn't force something just to make a go of it.


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I'll take a look at Sierra and see how much more money I need to spend.
Hopefully Chris is still in the business...

Sierra 4X4 Trailers is the more correct business name.
Still exists on the web.

You might want to call Chris ^ to get the latest availability/cost on that coupler.
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Are you saying that the pintle hitch's receiver shaft holes don't line up correctly when inserted into the AP receiver ?
Is it solid bar or sq. tube ? Made in china ?
The pintle hitch is a beast and think it was mfg'd around the time of the trailer! The actual pintle shaft does not fit into the AP receiver. Fits fine on my non AP hitch on my other Taco. Its only spray painted so its not like the paint is thick at all. I'll grab a shot later on tonight of the pintle\lunette connection and ask your opinion on it. Theres play but I think there might be too much.
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I'll grab a shot later on tonight of the pintle\lunette connection and ask your opinion on it. Theres play but I think there might be too much.
post away... I'll gladly offer my opinion(s)
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^ that pintle looks to be a little too large...

likely off a larger hauler where the trailer's lunette ring
would also be a larger lunette ring thickness.

realize that a 1/4 trailer's lunette ring thickness...
is less then what pintle might be used on a 5 - 10 ton hauler
^ usually hauling a larger/heavier trailer.

Ideally...

you want the lunette ring to sit in the pintle's saddle
with very little forward and aft movement/play.

There does need to be a little upward spacing for movement...
But it should not be excessive.
Ideally, around 1/8th inch gap

When the fit is more exact...
it will be quieter and have less fore and aft movement.
Tho' that more precise fit may also have you wanting to
apply some heavy grease between the pintle saddle and lunette ring.

Applying some grease there will reduce the chance of binding...
if the hauling angles/articulation becomes extreme.

I know that some folk have tried using other materials
to lay between the pintle's saddle surface and the lunette
Thereby taking up a little slack/spacing.

But good luck finding a material that would hold up
to that stress.

I personally would prefer to locate a pintle
that would more precisely fit your trailer's lunette ring.

Look at pintle's that are 5 ton or less...
but there is no exact specification or tolerance
when locating something current or new...

Would be best if one found an original
that was fitted to the lite rigs of that era.

Similar to one that was mounted to a M38 or M38a

I have a cheap 5 ton chinese knock off...
that fits better...
But it's often a hit or miss when buying chinese junk
unseen and untested.

Check with military supply wholesaler's
such as Midwest Military Supplies.
They may offer a better fitting pintle hitch
for the 1/4 ton military trailers.

Midwest Military supplies

alternatively...

you could sign onto the G503 forum and ask them what they know.
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Awesome, thanks a bunch! The pintle hook I received when I bought the trailer, I'll take a look and see if I can find a smaller version of one.
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