Project Hillclimber

[Bear]

I agree some with Derek regarding the clearance issue, but also I think you want your upper and lower links within a certain angle degree, otherwise you are going to create some binding issues as well.

I know You might say that if you increase that angle, you decrease the chance of the bars ever meeting or hitting. But what you create is the uppers and lowers "fighting", wanting to push the axle it two different directions.

If that makes sense to you, I would confirm that, as you know my experience on setting up a 4 link.

[brinner]

the new 3/16" thick steel center console replacement for the snap in plastic one with cup holders) is about 50% done. Maybe i can get some pics up......but they will probably be pics of the final product knowing me.

[Bear]

why 3/16" inch?

[brinner]

there wasnt any 1/2"

[brinner]

finished the console plate....also learned how to spray paint something metal when its almost freezing outside. It involves a propane torch and a paint can just warm the metal up and spray, then ignite...the flammable part burns and the heat from the burning causes the paint to dry. (think 'cooking the alcohol off in a saucepan')

next up on the chopping block...the exhaust (this should be the final rendention, over a year of r&d on the true dual design), aiming to keep the true duals but add header cutouts and a full length design.

[brinner]

Originally Posted by jason6746

even though i saw it already

hey you were the one with the camera, i just want pics of the way i was painting

Originally Posted by DN1911

Bear you should feel honored, we were debating material thickness and decided we would go overkill with the 3/16 plate.

also with the angles and brackets. we plan on tacking everything really heavily and cycleing everything before it is final welded. Brian have asked DeMello if he would give you link lengths and angles?

i think your talking to me, the answer is not directly, i have pics of all the bracket locations and i can use the pics to determine exactly where all of the brackets go (top link...both ends, bottom links, panhard...both ends, steering box bracket) the only 'fun' part will be be doing the coilover towers.

[brinner]

OK before......






The plate itself before install...........




after install........






another view





and the fun i have with french fries and Ketchup........

[muddertrucker99]

I like the Victoria Secret in behind the console plate. The console plate turned out nicely. Took me awhile to notice it thou.

[brinner]

no need to re-invent the wheel, i just wanted a sturdy platform for the air chuck, line pressure gauge and altimeter.

[brinner]

ordered the panhard mounts today (axle and frame).



axle tube diameter is 3" according to Pirate

[Bear]

If i remember right, I was told all dana 44's have 3" diameter tubes, so that sounds right. where did you get the mount from? Ballistic? If so, I have the same one sitting on the shelf waiting.

[brinner]

yeah according to Pirate the reaaalllyyyy early ones were 2-3/4". yeah i got them from ballistic.










engine is 1GRFE

[twentyfootdaredevil]

The thing to remeber with a cartridge style joint is alot of times you dont need a spacer. When going with heims dont forget to add in the cost of the misalignment spacer.

Also alot of the cartridge style spacers are rebuildable....something to consider.

Heim joints do wear out so the bigger the better if you are going to use them!!

[twentyfootdaredevil]

Oh yeah and I agree w/ Bear a poly joint should fit the bill for your panhard needs.

I would be interested to talk with you about your setup...give me a call someday if you get a chance

[twentyfootdaredevil]

Yes...cartridge joints: flex joints, johnny joints basicaly they are the same.

btw a Summit Jimmy joint would work awesome as well.

before I get flamed....I do know the difference in these joints but for reference I lump these stlyle joints in the same catagory.

[Hagan34]

Id use a hiem on the pan hard, I know dont seem like it moves much but if you got the drive side stuffed and passenger side is dropped i think you would be surprised at how much that pan hard moves both vertically and forward and aft. Remember unlike leafs a Link set up moves aft as the axle drops.


Just my

[twentyfootdaredevil]

Okay start over...what suspension are we talking about here? Is it a 3 link w/ a panhard bar?

What is the weight of the rig?
roll center?
Link material?
Are you going with coils, coilovers or airshocks?
What will the rear suspension be?
Ride height?

So one of my concerns if we are talking about a 3 link is the paper thin frame rails. I am sure you plan to plate the frame but I wonder if another crossmember is in order.

Do you have a link to what you are mocking yours after?

[Hagan34]

Originally Posted by twentyfootdaredevil

Okay start over...what suspension are we talking about here? Is it a 3 link w/ a panhard bar?
YES


What is the weight of the rig?
roll center?
Link material?
Are you going with coils, coilovers or airshocks? Coilovers
What will the rear suspension be?
Ride height?

So one of my concerns if we are talking about a 3 link is the paper thin frame rails. I am sure you plan to plate the frame but I wonder if another crossmember is in order.

Do you have a link to what you are mocking yours after?

At least this is what i got from the first couple post in this thread.

[brinner]

Originally Posted by DN1911

he is going to try and duplicate the Demello truck as much as possible from pictures

exactly

[brinner]

got the shaft in today splined diameter is 1.19" I have a feeling its going to be too small (such a waste but at least i can still use it to make a properly sized short side shaft, maybe have sunfire off road do it for me so they get the diameter right.....probably the only smart thing ive done so far)


got the panhard frame and axle mounts today they look good. (think ill use a heim with misalingment spacers)


got the exhaust planned today, plan is to use 2.25" pipe to do true duals that attach via flanges to a 2 in 2 out muffler to dumps that extend just beyond the cab but before the axle, everything is getting sucked up as much as possible so now......MY TRUCK HAS flat belly potential

[brinner]

Originally Posted by DN1911

i don't think you have a chance in hell for a flat belly! you ain't worked out in weeks!`

true.........post edited

[brinner]

ok, i dont know how....but the axle shaft fits sooo well that im off on the measurement for splined diameter by only .01mm (so either they looked it up like they should have or my measurement was that "on"....im guessing it was the first option). So now....assembly of the first inner/u-joint/outer.







uuummmmm Jason, can i use your vice sunday?

[brinner]

got the passenger side inner and outer put together with the u-joint, movement is smooth as butter.

[Hagan34]

what U joints did you get? im sure you said it some where

[brinner]

bobby long's (longfield 300M)

[Hagan34]

wish i would have had mine run over the T-case mount, but didnt have the sas or the krwaler in yet so i know it would have had to been changed, but gives me ideas for the next time.

[brinner]

glad to hear that incident helped somebody

[brinner]

ok so i trashed the panhard mount for the axle....welded it together, then put it on the axle only to find out that i was stupid and got it slightly crooked.


also i wasnt happy with the lack of penetration on the welds so i was cutting it apart and i just like how it was looking so i trashed it and ordered a new one.

2 lessons learned, tack it up using the actual axle tube and need to turn up the heat on the welder.

[DN1911]

what are you welding together? pictures please

[Hagan34]

Originally Posted by brinner

2 lessons learned, tack it up using the actual axle tube and need to turn up the heat on the welder.

both are good lessons sorry it costed you some time and a panhard mount.