2010 Raptor F150

[mdr4runner]

While it's a cool concept, Its going to be WAY overpriced for what you get. 11.2 inches of front suspension travel? 07+ Tundra's get more than that with a replacement coilover and upper arm. I can't see spending $53,000 for a warmed over F150, sure the internal bypass shocks are cool and its nice to see Ford offering a off road oriented truck, but I don't understand the hype/price.
I've heard of people having problems with the cast lower arms cracking on the regular F150's, hopefully the Raptor doesn't have the same problems ( I'm 99% sure one of the videos says the lower arm is cast)

[menacekustoms]

Well, there are several issues that I would like to address.

The warranty:

This is an SVT, so there are some differences in how you are treated and the dealerships you go to. Not all dealerships are capable of working on SVT vehicles. That being said, there might be something in the purchase contract about that. I would imagine though, if you brought up the videos where they flaunt it's capabilities you could get the service manager to do whatever you want. That's how I got Toyota to fix several issues for free on my truck even though it's dirty, beat up and lifted.

The price:

SVT is a premium brand, you pay a premium price for it. The interior and powertrain (especially the new 6.2) are far better than a Tacoma, even a built one. A built Tacoma will never be a Tundra, it's just not a fullsize. You get the balance of comfort and style and appearance. That's what SVT has built as a brand.

The capabilites:

Seriously, what do you expect? Did you think Ford was gonna throw a Class 14 on the showroom floor and say "Go for it buddy"? Get real. They are racing Baja with one as a Class 8, so we'll see how that goes. So you can slap on a coilover and UCA on a Tundra and get the same travel? Ok, so after you spend another $2000 on a brand new truck, you have certainly voided the warranty now. And what happens when you snap a control arm like the AllPros have been having issues with lately? As for the travel numbers, you know that they are reduced so they can be safe right? For example, the 03-04 Mustang Cobras. The put out 390 h.p. stock. For a supercharged V8, that's not that impressive. However, you put a K&N filter and after-cat exhaust, 2 simple bolt ons, and you had nearly 450 h.p. Throw a tuner at it and you're knocking on 500's door. I would say because of the bumpstops that Ford designed to keep stuff from bottoming out, also limits the travel. If you put some air bumps on it, I would bet you'd be over 12".

So, what's this truck good for? Well, it's a bitchin' lookin DD and occasional play toy. It would also be a great tow truck for your race truck. I like it, and if I'm in a place to buy one in the next year and a half, I will probably buy one

[socalmoto]

Very well put menacecustoms. Most people only get 12" of travel with 4x4 and a long travel kit, but with only a bumpstop you could get that with a stock susp. I hope this truck takes off and more mfg's start making trucks for faster paced offroading, but Im not too sure it will sell all that well. Most people outside of the 3 southwest states dont even know why people build prerunners.

[mdr4runner]

Originally Posted by menacekustoms

Well, there are several issues that I would like to address.

The warranty:

This is an SVT, so there are some differences in how you are treated and the dealerships you go to. Not all dealerships are capable of working on SVT vehicles. That being said, there might be something in the purchase contract about that. I would imagine though, if you brought up the videos where they flaunt it's capabilities you could get the service manager to do whatever you want. That's how I got Toyota to fix several issues for free on my truck even though it's dirty, beat up and lifted

I agree, I'm sure Ford goes the extra mile to please its SVT customers. For $53,000 they better, for example Nissan is busy fucking over people for driving their GTR's hard ( just like the advertisements and magazines showed,) Mitsubishi fucked people over with the whole SCCA BS, I'm sure Toyota would do the same, just like Ford will when they get the chance.

The price:

SVT is a premium brand, you pay a premium price for it. The interior and powertrain (especially the new 6.2) are far better than a Tacoma, even a built one. A built Tacoma will never be a Tundra, it's just not a fullsize. You get the balance of comfort and style and appearance. That's what SVT has built as a brand.

I'm pretty sure you can pick up a new Tundra w/5.7 for around 25k, put let's say.... $5,000 into it, you'll have more travel, 60 more HP than the base Raptor (20 less than the mighty 6.2) and a bigger rear diff. Fords mistake is pricing this truck out of a lot of the people in this sports reach, if they made the Raptor suspension a package instead of a 53k truck (like Toyota does with their TRD crap) they would have a winner on their hands. If these trucks were more attainable I would go trade my Tundra in for one today.

The capabilites:

So you can slap on a coilover and UCA on a Tundra and get the same travel? Ok, so after you spend another $2000 on a brand new truck, you have certainly voided the warranty now.

Magnuson-Moss warranty act: aftermarket parts don't simply void your warranty, it's up to the dealer/Toyota to PROVE the aftermarket part caused the failure.

And what happens when you snap a control arm like the AllPros have been having issues with lately?

Haha, you don't buy All Pro control arms! TC, Camburg, and PRG Products make control arms that you won't have to worry about failing.

As for the travel numbers, you know that they are reduced so they can be safe right?

Exactly, when people figure out that 11.2 inches of travel isn't enough for their fullsize truck to perform like the videos, they're going to modify it, and SVT/Ford won't touch it ( suspension wise).

For example, the 03-04 Mustang Cobras. The put out 390 h.p. stock. For a supercharged V8, that's not that impressive. However, you put a K&N filter and after-cat exhaust, 2 simple bolt ons, and you had nearly 450 h.p. Throw a tuner at it and you're knocking on 500's door.

Speaking of superchargers, a 5.7 Tundra with a TRD supercharger makes 505 hp, thats 105 hp more than the top of the line Raptor, and you'd still spend less than 53k .

I would say because of the bumpstops that Ford designed to keep stuff from bottoming out, also limits the travel. If you put some air bumps on it, I would bet you'd be over 12".

The way the bumpstop is on the shaft of the shock, I'm sure they squeezed the most travel out of the front, and I wouldn't feel comfortable having a bump off of the aluminum lower arm.

So, what's this truck good for? Well, it's a bitchin' lookin DD and occasional play toy. It would also be a great tow truck for your race truck. I like it, and if I'm in a place to buy one in the next year and a half, I will probably buy one

I agree it's pretty cool, but I honestly believe its price will cause it to be a flop.

[menacekustoms]

I'm pretty sure you can pick up a new Tundra w/5.7 for around 25k, put let's say.... $5,000 into it, you'll have more travel, 60 more HP than the base Raptor (20 less than the mighty 6.2) and a bigger rear diff. Fords mistake is pricing this truck out of a lot of the people in this sports reach, if they made the Raptor suspension a package instead of a 53k truck (like Toyota does with their TRD crap) they would have a winner on their hands. If these trucks were more attainable I would go trade my Tundra in for one today.

There is a lot more to an SVT vehicle than just suspension. I can guarantee (I owned and SVT Focus) that the interior quality and sound system and everything will be much more akin to a 4x4 Tundra Double Cab Limited. To get anything even close in the way of features and options you're close to $45k, so let's compare apples to apples. So after you throw your $5k (which I think is conservative) you're up to $50k. Again, remember this is SVT, they are not pricing it so that everyone can get one. Part of the SVT branding is exclusivity. For example, my SVT Focus was a 2002 Pitch Black with blue inserts. That year total, they built 4,788 TOTAL and only 589 in my color combo. And that was only a sport tuned Focus. This is a totally different level we're talking about here.

Magnuson-Moss warranty act: aftermarket parts don't simply void your warranty, it's up to the dealer/Toyota to PROVE the aftermarket part caused the failure.

Let's be serious here. They take one look at a truck that's modified and say, you're screwed because you offroaded it.

Haha, you don't buy All Pro control arms! TC, Camburg, and PRG Products make control arms that you won't have to worry about failing.
Exactly, when people figure out that 11.2 inches of travel isn't enough for their fullsize truck to perform like the videos, they're going to modify it, and SVT/Ford won't touch it ( suspension wise).

I don't buy AllPro, but some people do. And most of the people that will buy these won't modify them and will almost never even take them offroad.

Speaking of superchargers, a 5.7 Tundra with a TRD supercharger makes 505 hp, thats 105 hp more than the top of the line Raptor, and you'd still spend less than 53k .

Yes, let's speak of superchargers. Ford's can use them too you know. Roush's kit (which has been around and tested longer than TRDs) pushes the 5.4L to 445 hp and still retains a warranty. It is a smaller engine too, I can't imagine what the 6.2L would do with a huffer. If you go based on my price point I mentioned earlier of $50k after the bolt ons, you will now be above $53k at $55k with a supercharged Tundra. So, again, lets keep these comparisons somewhat similar.

The way the bumpstop is on the shaft of the shock, I'm sure they squeezed the most travel out of the front, and I wouldn't feel comfortable having a bump off of the aluminum lower arm.

That may be true, I will concede that.

So, in conclusion, again:
I am a huge Toyota fan, and I love the Tundra. However with my experience with SVT, I can personally vouch for the fact that it will be a better constructed truck in terms of overall quality.

[mdr4runner]

Originally Posted by menacekustoms

There is a lot more to an SVT vehicle than just suspension. I can guarantee (I owned and SVT Focus) that the interior quality and sound system and everything will be much more akin to a 4x4 Tundra Double Cab Limited. To get anything even close in the way of features and options you're close to $45k, so let's compare apples to apples. So after you throw your $5k (which I think is conservative) you're up to $50k. Again, remember this is SVT, they are not pricing it so that everyone can get one. Part of the SVT branding is exclusivity. For example, my SVT Focus was a 2002 Pitch Black with blue inserts. That year total, they built 4,788 TOTAL and only 589 in my color combo. And that was only a sport tuned Focus. This is a totally different level we're talking about here.

IMO all of the bells and whistles are nice, but all they do is bring the price up. Imagine if this truck cost 15-20 grand less how big of a hit it would be. The SVT "exclusivity" is the problem, make the Raptor attainable and Ford won't be able to build enough of them.

Let's be serious here. They take one look at a truck that's modified and say, you're screwed because you offroaded it.

That's going to be their same excuse when people break shit on a Raptor, "but.. but.. the commercials and press releases said I can take it offroad"

I don't buy AllPro, but some people do. And most of the people that will buy these won't modify them and will almost never even take them offroad.

Yes, let's speak of superchargers. Ford's can use them too you know. Roush's kit (which has been around and tested longer than TRDs) pushes the 5.4L to 445 hp and still retains a warranty. It is a smaller engine too, I can't imagine what the 6.2L would do with a huffer. If you go based on my price point I mentioned earlier of $50k after the bolt ons, you will now be above $53k at $55k with a supercharged Tundra. So, again, lets keep these comparisons somewhat similar.

With TRD superchargers you can keep your warranty too, and still stay WAY below 53k. Like I said the concept is cool, but 53k is way too much for a F150 with a slightly modified suspension and leather seats.

Just imagine what the Raptor could do for Fords slumping truck sales if it was priced better. A top of the line truck isn't going to help Ford's slumping truck sales, hopefully the Raptors off road parts trickle down to the regular F150's eventually. I think the black, and white ones look badass

[sooner02r1]

Originally Posted by menacekustoms

So, what's this truck good for? Well, it's a bitchin' lookin DD and occasional play toy. It would also be a great tow truck for your race truck. I like it, and if I'm in a place to buy one in the next year and a half, I will probably buy one

I think it's a great idea too. Of course it's probably not gonna be perfect, but it's a lot better attempt from the factory than anything I've seen yet! I too will possibly be looking into one after the bigger motor comes out. Most purpose built cars from the factory just get even sicker with a few mods, and I think this truck will be no exception.

Originally Posted by socalmoto

V I hope this truck takes off and more mfg's start making trucks for faster paced offroading, but Im not too sure it will sell all that well. Most people outside of the 3 southwest states dont even know why people build prerunners.

True. I'm in Oklahoma and people all the time are like, "why the heyell wuud ya wanna offroad a 2 wheel drive??" If it's not going 6mph in mud, they don't get it. Who knows if the dealers around me will even get the raptor, it may only be offered out west.... You guys get all the good stuff

[The Boy]

Originally Posted by Taco Eric

I would raise hell... call the corporate offices and ask them what 4x4 means and what they expect people to do with it. Before I get to crazy... what were you tring to get fixed that they wouldn't warrenty?

actually, ive had the windshield replaced 3 times, and the AC blower motor just after getting it... well the thing that they said my truck was out of warrenty for was the rear end...

i got stuck off road, the rear diff blew its seal, and puked ALL the fluid out about 1 miles off the road, had it towed to toyota. about a month later never off roaded it since then, walked out to my truck to find the rear end leaking AGAIN. took it to toyota, they brought in a "certified" tech to check out my truck. he stated that due to "abuse" off roading my truck (there was scratches on my skid plate and dirt in a couple places, althought no dents on the body or bad scratches), my trucks warrenty has been voided, and the repair would not be covered under warrenty. after a long argument they agreed to do a "good will" repair but it is still not warrentied... so yeah............

[The Boy]

sorry bout the double post, POS comp wont let me EDIT... it was 10 miles off the road

and all this was before any lift, only the light bar and shell... they also stated that they knew it was abused bc of my light bar i had on it

my main reason i had it on it was for my own protection!!

[menacekustoms]

IMO all of the bells and whistles are nice, but all they do is bring the price up. Imagine if this truck cost 15-20 grand less how big of a hit it would be. The SVT "exclusivity" is the problem, make the Raptor attainable and Ford won't be able to build enough of them.

The exclusivity isn't the problem, it's the point. And you obviously don't understand the point of a premium vehicle.

With TRD superchargers you can keep your warranty too, and still stay WAY below 53k. Like I said the concept is cool, but 53k is way too much for a F150 with a slightly modified suspension and leather seats.

Did you not read my post that explained that a similarly equipped Tundra would be in the same price range? I understand that the TRD blower still keeps the warranty, I didn't say that it didn't. I was just stating that you could still get that option with a Ford so you could keep this a fair comparison.

Just imagine what the Raptor could do for Fords slumping truck sales if it was priced better. A top of the line truck isn't going to help Ford's slumping truck sales, hopefully the Raptors off road parts trickle down to the regular F150's eventually. I think the black, and white ones look badass

The Raptor, even priced for you to afford it, will not save the slumping truck sales. We are in a recession, so there are slumping new car sales across the board. The only company that didn't see a 20% decline in the last quarter was GMC because of their employee pricing (which is a joke btw.). And even they saw a 16% decline. Toyota dropped 26%! So, having a cheap super truck isn't going to save anything. That's not the intention. They don't plan on producing a million of them. Wake up and realize what the point of this truck is.

[sooner02r1]

Exactly. I doubt anybody at Ford thinks a high end specialty truck is gonna bring them out of the red. Doesn't mean the SVT division quits developing new cars, and high end specialty is what they do. I'm just glad to see them turning to offroading and trucks.

[off_road_punk]

its a good lookin truck just not a fan of the fords. and the price for me would be way too high im not a baller

[EFIMonster]

well all i can hope is that it is a hit and then toyota steps up to face the competition. Unfortunately with the luck i have had with fords, i will never buy one again however, i would buy another toyota.

[The Boy]

Originally Posted by EFIMonster

well all i can hope is that it is a hit and then toyota steps up to face the competition. Unfortunately with the luck i have had with fords, i will never buy one again however, i would buy another toyota.

x2 i hope toyota would make at least a medium travel truck, that would be nice, a long travel would be awsome!

[Five1Nine8Eight]

Sweet, a luxury truck with tuned FOX shocks, 4x4 with 11"+ in the front and 13"+ out back with internal by-passes and 35's.

Sounds like a prerunner to me.

Glad to see a company put some effort into an offroad truck, not just installing replacement shocks and adding badges.

[Five1Nine8Eight]

Originally Posted by sooner02r1

True. I'm in Oklahoma and people all the time are like, "why the heyell wuud ya wanna offroad a 2 wheel drive??" If it's not going 6mph in mud, they don't get it. Who knows if the dealers around me will even get the raptor, it may only be offered out west.... You guys get all the good stuff

Do wuuuut, a 2WD offroad truck?

[sooner02r1]

Originally Posted by Five1Nine8Eight

Do wuuuut, a 2WD offroad truck?

hahaha sounds like you've heard that before too.

You meeeaann ya don't even gots swaampers own it???

[Robramlett]

Originally Posted by sooner02r1

hahaha sounds like you've heard that before too.

You meeeaann ya don't even gots swaampers own it???

Nope just all-terrains man if I had a dollar for everyone that has asked me that, but when you take it down a sand road that the oilfield has turned into 4 to 6 inches of powder it all becomes ohh! so clear, but only in front of the truck. And tell em' to learn how to drive, I have had several 4x4's try to come pull me out of a mess and get stuck before they even got close to me, then my lazy self has to pull my truck out with the come-a-long anyways. then I have to get them out but then again I have been pulled out by a Camry, that guy could drive.

[iluvtrucks475]

I gotta say, price aside I am pretty impressed with this truck and what Ford is putting out on this particular model. I'm not going to get into warranty and all that other bs.

I do have a question though. Isn't this thing a BIG truck? Same w/ the new Tundra...I couldn't imagine wheeling something that big...am I wrong here?

[menacekustoms]

Originally Posted by iluvtrucks475

I gotta say, price aside I am pretty impressed with this truck and what Ford is putting out on this particular model. I'm not going to get into warranty and all that other bs.

I do have a question though. Isn't this thing a BIG truck? Same w/ the new Tundra...I couldn't imagine wheeling something that big...am I wrong here?

Holy rusted thread revival Batman! Not wheel a big truck? Are you serious? You need to go check out Camburg's New Tundra.

[brock]

but yall cant rock crawl a big ol 4x!

[razr]

Ford should have brought back the Bronco instead. To compete with the FJs and Jeeps.

[iluvtrucks475]

Originally Posted by menacekustoms

Holy rusted thread revival Batman! Not wheel a big truck? Are you serious? You need to go check out Camburg's New Tundra.

searching now....

[usaf_taco]

sure it is a sweet truck, but for the money i would rather build up my truck. shit my truck is lighter and is pulling more travel than the raptor does. i would liketo see how the raptor would stack up against my truck in the dez.

[MonkeyProof]

we recently had a raptor on our salesroom floor at my work..pretty nice actually, but couldn't test drive since it was sold already...sticker price was 44k for the one we had. i'll post my crappy cell phone pics later

[TexasChaos]

My dad got a demo one today! ill post up pics when its light tomorrow

[BOVADS]

WELL ..... i have driven one and i can say all 4 tires were off the ground numerous times. my service manger bought one and bent in the front skid plate with 28 miles on it. i built him a LT tundra, with all camburg front end, hydro bumps, rear deavers, 12" rear shocks, bedcage etc etc. the raptor spanks it hands down. it handles better, quicker, controleable, has a rear locker THAT WORKS IN 2WD, and the interior is very nice. he wont tell me what he paid for it but im guessing 45ish. its loaded with navi, leather etc etc.
we already put 4:88 gears in it as he got the 5.4L engine , but it made a huge difference. it may even hang wit my '08 tundra stop light to stop light.

dont get me wrong im a toyota guy to the bone, but until you drive/beat on this truck, dont knock it.


p.s. the rear springs may Need to be replaced pretty soon

[AZNPG]

saw a white one today in orange and damn it looks pretty good wonder if anybody has a lt kit for it yet haha

[usaf_taco]

well from my experiences the heavier the truck, the more suspension travel is needed to help it ride smooth i harsh terrain.i wasn't very impressed on the video's of it offroading. shit i can do 100 mph down a flat dirt road too. and i can also forsee alot of rear end bucking problems. yes it is a cool concept. but for that kind of money i would rather sink it into my tacoma. so if anyone who buys one lets all make a trip to barstow and have some fun.

[usaf_taco]

and on another note, you think ford would have put in a cage to save them from liability hassles. but then again how many long travel trucks on this website are caged.