Stock length Total Chaos lower a-arms for 05+

[razr]

http://chaosfab.com/96505.html
http://chaosfab.com/what.html

[BLACKHAWK250]

holy shit!!! Thats sick i didnt know about that, they dont make it for the old tacos do they?

[razr]

Not sure I see the purpose of it. Other than it looks cool.

[BLACKHAWK250]

Mabey more travel like the UCA's? Its uniball so it sounds like the uper control arm. I wonder if it will be as beneficial tho.

[brock]

uniball on the lca wont give u more travel... in fact i think that balljoints have a better range of motion, might be mistaken though. uniball is stronger though.

[SinCityTaco]

Well I know that when you only replace the UCA it moves the tire way far back into the wheel well, enough so that a 285 will rub badly under compression on the rear of the fender flare and it also looks weird with the tire not being centered in the wheel well. They have to do this though to get the proper amount of caster.
I wonder if these compensate for that by moving the tire back forward more, then thought here would be like 8 degrees of caster which would be ridiculous.
What the hell is the point of them other than looking badass. I would rather have an all pro mid travel kit than a stock length TC control arm kit.

[elenex50]

Doesnt seem to serve a purpose other then converting to a uniball and urethane bushings. Stock length arms? Why not just save a little more money and go full LT. Maybe just a new component to the upper arm and bolt in C/O to fake like you got something crazy. Maybe this will work with class 7 trucks.

[razr]

Originally Posted by SinCityTaco

Well I know that when you only replace the UCA it moves the tire way far back into the wheel well, enough so that a 285 will rub badly under compression on the rear of the fender flare and it also looks weird with the tire not being centered in the wheel well. They have to do this though to get the proper amount of caster.
I wonder if these compensate for that by moving the tire back forward more, then thought here would be like 8 degrees of caster which would be ridiculous.

If this is the case,woundn't they have to redesign the upper arms? Because the uca already compensates the caster.

Originally Posted by elenex50

Doesnt seem to serve a purpose other then converting to a uniball and urethane bushings. Stock length arms? Why not just save a little more money and go full LT. Maybe just a new component to the upper arm and bolt in C/O to fake like you got something crazy. Maybe this will work with class 7 trucks.

Exactly, for the price ( you know it aint going to be cheap) why not go 2'' or 3.5'' long travel?

[devinsixtyseven]

SinCityTaco, check your alignment...I bet it's wrong. The hub is closer to the LBJ than the UBJ, and caster is adjusted with the lower arm, so #1 I suspect your alignment is screwed up and #2 I also suspect that once it's fixed, you'll have plenty of clearance.

There's a longer, better explanation, but if you happen to have the alignment sheet from the alignment after you installed the new parts & can post the "current" numbers, any number of people here can say whether it's correct or whether you need to find a different shop to adjust the alignment.

Kinda curious about the market for these arms. If you're gonna buy one of these arms, why not just buy an arm 3"+ longer, with a new upper arm to match, tabs and plates for bypass & bumps, and a set of longer coilovers?

-Sean

[razr]

It's expensive too. The "blue roomers" are all hyped up about it.
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...ml#post1417054
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...ntrol-arm.html

[NwiTACO]

Waste of money. Let the jellybeans have them, most of them are douchebags anyway

[Ebruddah]

Originally Posted by NwiTACO

Waste of money. Let the jellybeans have them, most of them are douchebags anyway

True that they're just a bunch pretensious bastards who always want the biggest, baddest, latest and greatest shiny new thing that appears on the market! Do they actually wheel their well modded and equipped rigs... God forbid they get dirt on their rigs or much less some rocks on an acutal trail.

[SinCityTaco]

Originally Posted by devinsixtyseven

SinCityTaco, check your alignment...I bet it's wrong. The hub is closer to the LBJ than the UBJ, and caster is adjusted with the lower arm, so #1 I suspect your alignment is screwed up and #2 I also suspect that once it's fixed, you'll have plenty of clearance.

There's a longer, better explanation, but if you happen to have the alignment sheet from the alignment after you installed the new parts & can post the "current" numbers, any number of people here can say whether it's correct or whether you need to find a different shop to adjust the alignment.

Kinda curious about the market for these arms. If you're gonna buy one of these arms, why not just buy an arm 3"+ longer, with a new upper arm to match, tabs and plates for bypass & bumps, and a set of longer coilovers?

-Sean

My toe was set to: 0 degrees
my camber was set to: 0 degrees
my caster was set to 3 degrees

I ended up taking them off and selling them because I could not stand how far back my wheel was in the wheel well. It rubbed terribly even though I cut off half the damn fender and fender flare. Under compression the tire would rub half way up the fender flare. I put my stock arms back on and all is good now, I just have a tad bit of positive camber, but better than losing 1/2 inch of wheel base.

[razr]

You had TC arms? What size tires?

[06silverback]

the uniball would be stronger than the stock ball joint. looked at replacing them and from toyota they come as a unit WITH the LCA....checked at O'Reilley's and they said they could get the MOOG's that can be pressed in for about $55/ea. guess this just gives everyone one more (expensive) option.

[dtrujillo63]

I dont care what any says, these look BADASS!!! Think about how much stronger these are...

[SinCityTaco]

Originally Posted by razr

You had TC arms? What size tires?

Yes I did have TC UCAs. I was running 285/70/17 BFG ATs

[brock]

Originally Posted by dtrujillo63

I dont care what any says, these look BADASS!!! Think about how much stronger these are...

i have yet to see a broken stock lca.

[06HAOLE]

These make sense for a more DD friendly offroad market. For the money I would never go this route.

But with this you dont need fiberglass/paint or axles and you get to play for at least $1500 less than a full blown LT kit w/o having to worry about shock hoops/fabrication blah blah etc etc.

Besides now people can choose between All-Pro and Total Chaos. I wonder which one people will buy more of or have less problems with?????