5 inch shackle on stock springs

[Camstoy86]

gonna order some trail-gear shackles to help level the saggy ass on my 4runner, what are the negative effects of going to a longer shackle?

[TheAussie1]

TG FTL, and I wouldn't run JUST longer shackles, get bigger springs too IMHO

[Camstoy86]

well if I got springs I wouldn't need the shackles, I'd be too high

[Ranger1]

Just get the springs...shackles are crap.

[TheAussie1]

Originally Posted by Camstoy86

well if I got springs I wouldn't need the shackles, I'd be too high

I've got a mix of both on my truck and couldnt be happier

[yotabeast86]

i dont see any problem with running longer shackles. easy and cheap way to level your ride. to be honest with you though id just make my own shackles it would be alot cheaper.

[Camstoy86]

I'm gonna get decent shackles, not just cheap autozone specials. I just heard that you get more body roll and that it puts more stress on the springs if you go longer?

[green96taco]

What you get is axle wrap. It will make your springs get a negititve arch. You will get more body roll whenever you lift your vehicle.

Dustin

[Camstoy86]

will it improve flex at all?

[green96taco]

In short, it wont do anything good for you but give you your lift.That lift will soon disappear though as your springs begin to get a negitive arch. The only thing the shackle has going for it over a add a leaf is that it wont reduce flex where the extra leaf will.


Dustin

[Camstoy86]

Originally Posted by green96taco

In short, it wont do anything good for you but give you your lift.That lift will soon disappear though as your springs begin to get a negitive arch. The only thing the shackle has going for it over a add a leaf is that it wont reduce flex where the extra leaf will.


Dustin

Hmmm ok thanks. I'm only looking to get about an inch, so would a small block work? I have a U bolt flip kit thats going in at the same time.

[green96taco]

Unfortuatly blocks are horrible too. Just add another leaf man. That's the only way to go

[Camstoy86]

Originally Posted by green96taco

Unfortuatly blocks are horrible too. Just add another leaf man. That's the only way to go

ha alright thanks for the help man.

[sasaholic]

Originally Posted by green96taco

In short, it wont do anything good for you but give you your lift.That lift will soon disappear though as your springs begin to get a negitive arch. The only thing the shackle has going for it over a add a leaf is that it wont reduce flex where the extra leaf will.


Dustin

ur a moron and need to quite giving advice. longer shackles dont always make springs die faster(get longer bumpstops) and an addaleaf wont reduce flex(dont know how u figure it does) and longer shackles dont always mean axle wrap.(look at all the prerunner guys with 12 inch shackles)



to the op your leafs are sagging for a reason(there worn the F out) so adding and addaleaf shackle or block is only going to be a short term fix if u can even call it that. you need new springs or a set that arent so beat, but finding a good used stock set for your year probably aint gunna happen.

[blakeape]

I have always liked longer shackles in the rear of a Toyota. They do improve flex because they allow the leaf spring to drop down further and compress back more. I have an 88 4runner that had the typical sag, I put some Dave's Offroad 1.5 lift rear shackles and an extra leaf from an 89 2wd pickup. It leveled the truck out and firmed the rear up just a little bit which I like because I pull a trailer and carry a dirt bike on a receiver hitch carrier.

[Camstoy86]

Originally Posted by blakeape

I have always liked longer shackles in the rear of a Toyota. They do improve flex because they allow the leaf spring to drop down further and compress back more. I have an 88 4runner that had the typical sag, I put some Dave's Offroad 1.5 lift rear shackles and an extra leaf from an 89 2wd pickup. It leveled the truck out and firmed the rear up just a little bit which I like because I pull a trailer and carry a dirt bike on a receiver hitch carrier.

did you have any problems with the springs going "negative" when you flexed it?

[sasaholic]

Originally Posted by Camstoy86

did you have any problems with the springs going "negative" when you flexed it?

with longer shackles and no extended bump stops they will always go negative. just extend the bumps like your supposed to and call it a day. how much you lift it is how much you need to extend them generally

[green96taco]

Originally Posted by sasaholic

ur a moron and need to quite giving advice. longer shackles dont always make springs die faster(get longer bumpstops) and an addaleaf wont reduce flex(dont know how u figure it does) and longer shackles dont always mean axle wrap.(look at all the prerunner guys with 12 inch shackles)



to the op your leafs are sagging for a reason(there worn the F out) so adding and addaleaf shackle or block is only going to be a short term fix if u can even call it that. you need new springs or a set that arent so beat, but finding a good used stock set for your year probably aint gunna happen.

Your a douche bag, Longer shackles do kill your springs, I knew nothing about the longer bump stops. And Ive always seen on here that the short aal like pro comps kill the flex. I know this for a fact as well because I had them on my 96 taco. Just do yourself a favor and make some bastard packs like alot of people do on toyotas and jeeps and mix the leafs the way you want them.

Dustin

[sasaholic]

Originally Posted by green96taco

Your a douche bag, Longer shackles do kill your springs, I knew nothing about the longer bump stops. And Ive always seen on here that the short aal like pro comps kill the flex. I know this for a fact as well because I had them on my 96 taco. Just do yourself a favor and make some bastard packs like alot of people do on toyotas and jeeps and mix the leafs the way you want them.

Dustin

no they dont when set up properly.(proper angle, and not much negative arch). and if your in a tight spot i guarantee that short addaleaf will flatten right out. it will take more pressure to do so, just like my chevys but they sure will. thats why long addaleafs and multileafs are better. i ran a 7 leaf pack that i built to carry more weight from a set of tacoma old toyota and
s10 leafs and they flexed just fine

[jtaco1]

Here is my just go with the shackle if all you need is an inch or so. On my 88 4 Runner with nearly 300K on the stock suspension, I installed a 5" shackle to level it out with the heavy top. It worked perfect, now that I do not run the top it gives the rear about 1.5" over stock. With the longer rear shackle I am able to flex the springs much further than the stock shackle affords. My buddy runs a stock shackle on his 4 Runner witht e same suspension setup that I do and I have noticibly more flex in the rear than he does. He will lift a tire and mine will stay planted, and believe it or not, stock rear springs are quite flexy.

As for the use of bumpstops, this is also a big help with my setup as I have about 2-3" of verticle uptravel out back so that the tires do not get into the body too much. The springs do go into a slight negative arch, but hasn't been an issue. I have the bumpstop sitting about .75" off the u-bolt flip pad and the bump compresses about 2" or so adn works very well.

The comment about axle wrap can kill springs, yes it can, but in my experience this slightly longer shackle has had no ill effect on my rear springs, even with a nearly 200:1 crawl ratio running single digit tire presure with heavy ass 37" PitBull Rockers. Sure the springs wrap some, but hasn't been an issue yet in 3 years of heavy use.

[Camstoy86]

Originally Posted by jtaco1

Here is my just go with the shackle if all you need is an inch or so. On my 88 4 Runner with nearly 300K on the stock suspension, I installed a 5" shackle to level it out with the heavy top. It worked perfect, now that I do not run the top it gives the rear about 1.5" over stock. With the longer rear shackle I am able to flex the springs much further than the stock shackle affords. My buddy runs a stock shackle on his 4 Runner witht e same suspension setup that I do and I have noticibly more flex in the rear than he does. He will lift a tire and mine will stay planted, and believe it or not, stock rear springs are quite flexy.

As for the use of bumpstops, this is also a big help with my setup as I have about 2-3" of verticle uptravel out back so that the tires do not get into the body too much. The springs do go into a slight negative arch, but hasn't been an issue. I have the bumpstop sitting about .75" off the u-bolt flip pad and the bump compresses about 2" or so adn works very well.

The comment about axle wrap can kill springs, yes it can, but in my experience this slightly longer shackle has had no ill effect on my rear springs, even with a nearly 200:1 crawl ratio running single digit tire presure with heavy ass 37" PitBull Rockers. Sure the springs wrap some, but hasn't been an issue yet in 3 years of heavy use.

thanks jtaco. like I said I only really need an inch and I heard that a longer shackle will help flex a little so i assumed thats the best way to go. I'd rather spend 70 bucks on TG shackles rather than dump 300 on new springs for 1 inch of lift. I'm only running 31's so I wouldn't imagine I would get too much axle wrap.