deaver vs trd w/aal on 05 & up?

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-21-2006, 05:41 PM

quick question for those of you out there w/an 05 taco and up. how much better are the deaver 10pack vs trd offroad springs w/an aal?

04RedLobster · 02-21-2006, 05:45 PM

ok..even though i don't have an 05...everyone here knows an after market spring such as deaver is much better than any stock springs period for off-road use

plus AAL is one of the cheapest way to lift ur stock springs..

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-21-2006, 06:04 PM

so basicly the trd springs are crapola? i know an aal is the cheapo way out but i got impatient and at the time thats all that was offered for lifts on the new taco's. i'm going to be getting a atv soon and until i get a trailer it'll be transported in the bed. do you think a 357lb atv is going to take some serious wear on the trd's w/an aal? i'll probably have it in the bed once a weekend. i'll actually be getting 2 atv's and a trailer so i the wife and can go to the dunes. but it'll be about 6 or 7 month or so till i can pony up the dough for another atv and trailer. i just don't want the springs in my truck to get hammered for the next 6 months from the atv in the bed.

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-21-2006, 06:08 PM

ohh also if i bought the 10 pack deaver would it be compatible with my revtek in the front or is that frigin rediculus?

04RedLobster · 02-21-2006, 06:16 PM

the deavers up front would out run ur revteks..revteks are spacers..and all spacer lifts sucks...

and about u hauling stuff..you should have noooo problem what so ever carrying that much weight with deaver 10 leaf pack...you should try to call jason demello and ask him about the deaver 10 packs

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-21-2006, 06:24 PM

and about u hauling stuff..you should have noooo problem what so ever carrying that much weight with deaver 10 leaf pack...you should try to call jason demello and ask him about the deaver 10 packs[/quote]

yes i know this but how would this affect my stock trd's w/aal. i know the deavers are tits and spacers suck.. but like i said thats all that was offered at the time. deavers aren't offered in the front. 05's are IFS.

04RedLobster · 02-21-2006, 06:33 PM

oh...were you talking about the front!?!?!

if you want something for the front..you should get some coilvoers.since i think u're into the desert...but they are expensive for high qaulity stuff..maybe you'll find one used here for a goood price

as the rear springs with AAL...and i know is that the ride stiffens up when you put in a AAL..dno't know about the haulling and carrying load going up

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-21-2006, 06:37 PM

tell me about it any way i look at it i'm going to spend 700-900+ for a good coilover. i was talking about rear deavers being compatible w/the spacers till i can get the dough for coilovers

cole45 · 02-21-2006, 06:42 PM

[quote=J

yes i know this but how would this affect my stock trd's w/aal. i know the deavers are tits and spacers suck.. but like i said thats all that was offered at the time. deavers aren't offered in the front. 05's are IFS.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I think I understand what you're asking, you said 'TRD springs' when you meant the shocks in the rear.
To answer,
Your shocks should work with up to 1.5" more lift from the springs, but you wouldn't want to drive them heavily, so use them temporarily until you can get some after market shocks. The AAL will stiffen your ride so as long as you leave on the overload leaf you should be able to carry more weight, not less. As far as your question on the 10-leaf pack, that is the way to go. It's well worth it to get the full spring pack instead of the AAL. Donahoe should have their new rear shocks out in March(which will most likely be designed for the 10-leaf pack), then get rid of the spacers and get coilovers. I run the same size tire in the rear without spacers, so they are unneccessary.

YoTRacer158 · 02-21-2006, 06:43 PM

get a set of donahoes, they wont let you down

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-21-2006, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cole45

Ok, I think I understand what you're asking, you said 'TRD springs' when you meant the shocks in the rear.
To answer,
Your shocks should work with up to 1.5" more lift from the springs, but you wouldn't want to drive them heavily, so use them temporarily until you can get some after market shocks. The AAL will stiffen your ride so as long as you leave on the overload leaf you should be able to carry more weight, not less. As far as your question on the 10-leaf pack, that is the way to go. It's well worth it to get the full spring pack instead of the AAL. Donahoe should have their new rear shocks out in March, then get rid of the spacers and get coilovers. I run the same size tire in the rear without spacers, so they are unneccessary.

i was talking about the trd leaf springs. when i do go deaver i will definatly be replacing the rear shocks w/5150's.

SilverStreak05 · 02-21-2006, 07:42 PM

If you're gonna be hauling stuff you might consider calling Deaver or Demello and ordering a custom spring with an extra leaf or 2. The 10 leaf pack is super flexy, and the suspension will easily bottom out with zero load in the back. If you carry anything of signifigant weight, the ass end will be sagging like crazy.

UncleChris · 02-21-2006, 08:22 PM

My

I got my hoes and a wheeler AAL.

I got it set to about 1.5-2.0 inches up front and about 1.75" in the rear.

Rides like stock. Even on horrible NorCal roads, I have no complaints about the ride, but I am carrying an ARB with Winch, a shell and a pair of sliders along with all my wheeling gear in the back.

Stock the TRD DCs are 35" to flare in front and 37 in back.
Prelift, mine was 34" in front and 36.25 in back.
Now mine is 36.25 in front and 38" in back.

Donahoe · 02-21-2006, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.T.054x4Taco

quick question for those of you out there w/an 05 taco and up. how much better are the deaver 10pack vs trd offroad springs w/an aal?

89.9% better. Its a progresive clean traveling leaf pack designed for optimum perfromance in the stock mounting points. AAL systems are great for price but its a band-aid attempt at cost vs. performance vs. lift hight.

cb77DEMELLO · 02-22-2006, 08:37 AM

Hmmm curious I thought they were 88.2% better? are you trying to sneak a % in there on me?

TacoDell · 02-22-2006, 09:04 AM

Not sure if this pertains to the '05 and newer or not... But the previous truck had issues... If you run the Deavers rear without Adjustable CO's front you may get some lean to the drivers side in the rear. That's if the '05's and up are unequal weight distribution (heavier to the drivers side) as the earlier Taco's were... The other option is to order the Deavers with a slight more amount of arch for the drivers side to compensate... But I don't know this to be the fact and maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong here... I think the Alcan's or OME's have a left and right spring rate difference... I've seen a lot of earlier Taco's with this slight list to the drivers side... Mostly if they weren't running ADJ. CO's up front to compensate... Something to look into before yer purchase...

UncleChris · 02-22-2006, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbrRRman

Not sure if this pertains to the '05 and newer or not... But the previous truck had issues... If you run the Deavers rear without Adjustable CO's front you may get some lean to the drivers side in the rear. That's if the '05's and up are unequal weight distribution (heavier to the drivers side) as the earlier Taco's were... The other option is to order the Deavers with a slight more amount of arch for the drivers side to compensate... But I don't know this to be the fact and maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong here... I think the Alcan's or OME's have a left and right spring rate difference... I've seen a lot of earlier Taco's with this slight list to the drivers side... Mostly if they weren't running ADJ. CO's up front to compensate... Something to look into before yer purchase...

I had to crank my driver's side hoe a little higher than the passenger side, which I left Out-Of-Box. Before I put the Hoes on I noticed that there was a .25" to .5" difference, driver to passenger side.

TacoDell · 02-22-2006, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleChris

I had to crank my driver's side hoe a little higher than the passenger side, which I left Out-Of-Box. Before I put the Hoes on I noticed that there was a .25" to .5" difference, driver to passenger side.

Thanks for claifying that... 1/2" difference on my '00... And it still lists 1/4" depending on the fuel tank being empty or full...

SR-71Taco · 02-23-2006, 12:28 AM

What type of "wheeling" do you plan on doing? Sounds like the Deavers will give you better articulation, but from what I've read on these forums and what I've been told by some Deaver vendors is that you'll lose a bit of your payload capacity and bottom out EASIER than your stock "TRD springs" (rear leaf springs). Consider this, an AAL (add-a-leaf) will allow you to carry more weight. Your concern is being able to carry MORE weight in the bed. I know people say negative things about AAL, but perhaps instead of throwing $500 (deavers) at this experiment, you can just get an AAL for now, try it and see if it works, then get something once that "something" is developed for these trucks (05-06's). If the AAL doesn't cut it for you, you spent less than $200 on the thing.

Bottom line is that this truck is still new and there isn't a complete system out there for the REAR yet.

Don't want to start a war, but these are my $.02 that I've gotten from researching the forums.

J.T.054x4Taco · 02-23-2006, 12:37 PM

thanks for the info.

02-21-2006, 06:04 PM	#3
J.T.054x4Taco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Goodyear,Arizona Posts: 397	so basicly the trd springs are crapola? i know an aal is the cheapo way out but i got impatient and at the time thats all that was offered for lifts on the new taco's. i'm going to be getting a atv soon and until i get a trailer it'll be transported in the bed. do you think a 357lb atv is going to take some serious wear on the trd's w/an aal? i'll probably have it in the bed once a weekend. i'll actually be getting 2 atv's and a trailer so i the wife and can go to the dunes. but it'll be about 6 or 7 month or so till i can pony up the dough for another atv and trailer. i just don't want the springs in my truck to get hammered for the next 6 months from the atv in the bed. __________________ Josh 05 4x4 DBL CAB oba, sliders, 3'' lift, 285 stt's HTML Code: "GUTS" is arriving home late after a night out with The guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, And having the guts to say, "are you still cleaning or are you flying somewhere?" "BALLS" is coming home late after a night out with the guys smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the ass and having the balls to say, "You're next!"

02-21-2006, 06:08 PM	#4
J.T.054x4Taco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Goodyear,Arizona Posts: 397	ohh also if i bought the 10 pack deaver would it be compatible with my revtek in the front or is that frigin rediculus? __________________ Josh 05 4x4 DBL CAB oba, sliders, 3'' lift, 285 stt's HTML Code: "GUTS" is arriving home late after a night out with The guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, And having the guts to say, "are you still cleaning or are you flying somewhere?" "BALLS" is coming home late after a night out with the guys smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the ass and having the balls to say, "You're next!" Last edited by J.T.054x4Taco; 02-21-2006 at 06:13 PM.

02-21-2006, 06:24 PM	#6
J.T.054x4Taco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Goodyear,Arizona Posts: 397	and about u hauling stuff..you should have noooo problem what so ever carrying that much weight with deaver 10 leaf pack...you should try to call jason demello and ask him about the deaver 10 packs[/quote] yes i know this but how would this affect my stock trd's w/aal. i know the deavers are tits and spacers suck.. but like i said thats all that was offered at the time. deavers aren't offered in the front. 05's are IFS. __________________ Josh 05 4x4 DBL CAB oba, sliders, 3'' lift, 285 stt's HTML Code: "GUTS" is arriving home late after a night out with The guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, And having the guts to say, "are you still cleaning or are you flying somewhere?" "BALLS" is coming home late after a night out with the guys smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the ass and having the balls to say, "You're next!"

02-21-2006, 06:37 PM	#8
J.T.054x4Taco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Goodyear,Arizona Posts: 397	tell me about it any way i look at it i'm going to spend 700-900+ for a good coilover. i was talking about rear deavers being compatible w/the spacers till i can get the dough for coilovers __________________ Josh 05 4x4 DBL CAB oba, sliders, 3'' lift, 285 stt's HTML Code: "GUTS" is arriving home late after a night out with The guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, And having the guts to say, "are you still cleaning or are you flying somewhere?" "BALLS" is coming home late after a night out with the guys smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the ass and having the balls to say, "You're next!" Last edited by J.T.054x4Taco; 02-21-2006 at 06:39 PM.

02-21-2006, 06:42 PM	#9
cole45 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 261	[quote=J yes i know this but how would this affect my stock trd's w/aal. i know the deavers are tits and spacers suck.. but like i said thats all that was offered at the time. deavers aren't offered in the front. 05's are IFS.[/QUOTE] Ok, I think I understand what you're asking, you said 'TRD springs' when you meant the shocks in the rear. To answer, Your shocks should work with up to 1.5" more lift from the springs, but you wouldn't want to drive them heavily, so use them temporarily until you can get some after market shocks. The AAL will stiffen your ride so as long as you leave on the overload leaf you should be able to carry more weight, not less. As far as your question on the 10-leaf pack, that is the way to go. It's well worth it to get the full spring pack instead of the AAL. Donahoe should have their new rear shocks out in March(which will most likely be designed for the 10-leaf pack), then get rid of the spacers and get coilovers. I run the same size tire in the rear without spacers, so they are unneccessary. __________________ 05 Tacoma Last edited by cole45; 02-21-2006 at 06:47 PM.

02-21-2006, 05:45 PM	#2
04RedLobster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 1,692	ok..even though i don't have an 05...everyone here knows an after market spring such as deaver is much better than any stock springs period for off-road use plus AAL is one of the cheapest way to lift ur stock springs..

02-21-2006, 06:16 PM	#5
04RedLobster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 1,692	the deavers up front would out run ur revteks..revteks are spacers..and all spacer lifts sucks... and about u hauling stuff..you should have noooo problem what so ever carrying that much weight with deaver 10 leaf pack...you should try to call jason demello and ask him about the deaver 10 packs

02-21-2006, 06:33 PM	#7
04RedLobster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 1,692	oh...were you talking about the front!?!?! if you want something for the front..you should get some coilvoers.since i think u're into the desert...but they are expensive for high qaulity stuff..maybe you'll find one used here for a goood price as the rear springs with AAL...and i know is that the ride stiffens up when you put in a AAL..dno't know about the haulling and carrying load going up

02-21-2006, 06:43 PM	#10
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02-21-2006, 07:42 PM	#12
SilverStreak05 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 326	If you're gonna be hauling stuff you might consider calling Deaver or Demello and ordering a custom spring with an extra leaf or 2. The 10 leaf pack is super flexy, and the suspension will easily bottom out with zero load in the back. If you carry anything of signifigant weight, the ass end will be sagging like crazy. __________________ 2005 D-Cab 4x4 DR CO's, DR Rear Resi shocks, Deaver 11 pack 285/75/16 Nitto Terra Grapplers

02-21-2006, 08:22 PM	#13
UncleChris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 300	My I got my hoes and a wheeler AAL. I got it set to about 1.5-2.0 inches up front and about 1.75" in the rear. Rides like stock. Even on horrible NorCal roads, I have no complaints about the ride, but I am carrying an ARB with Winch, a shell and a pair of sliders along with all my wheeling gear in the back. Stock the TRD DCs are 35" to flare in front and 37 in back. Prelift, mine was 34" in front and 36.25 in back. Now mine is 36.25 in front and 38" in back. __________________ Chris KI6AZC 2005 TRD OffRoad Blue Ribbon Coalition member

02-22-2006, 08:37 AM	#15
cb77DEMELLO Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 951 Posts: 2,393	Hmmm curious I thought they were 88.2% better? are you trying to sneak a % in there on me? __________________ DEMELLO OFF-ROAD www.demello-offroad.com Jason@demello-offroad.com

02-22-2006, 09:04 AM	#16
TacoDell truck ~n~ tow My Rig: '00 Tacoma Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hemet/SoCal Posts: 10,740	Not sure if this pertains to the '05 and newer or not... But the previous truck had issues... If you run the Deavers rear without Adjustable CO's front you may get some lean to the drivers side in the rear. That's if the '05's and up are unequal weight distribution (heavier to the drivers side) as the earlier Taco's were... The other option is to order the Deavers with a slight more amount of arch for the drivers side to compensate... But I don't know this to be the fact and maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong here... I think the Alcan's or OME's have a left and right spring rate difference... I've seen a lot of earlier Taco's with this slight list to the drivers side... Mostly if they weren't running ADJ. CO's up front to compensate... Something to look into before yer purchase... __________________ '00 Taco SR5, xtrcab, V6, 5-SP, 4X, and some extras... Truck... ~n~ ...off road action photo's Trailer... Truck build --- Trailer build

02-23-2006, 12:28 AM	#19
SR-71Taco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Riverside/Orange Counties Posts: 171	What type of "wheeling" do you plan on doing? Sounds like the Deavers will give you better articulation, but from what I've read on these forums and what I've been told by some Deaver vendors is that you'll lose a bit of your payload capacity and bottom out EASIER than your stock "TRD springs" (rear leaf springs). Consider this, an AAL (add-a-leaf) will allow you to carry more weight. Your concern is being able to carry MORE weight in the bed. I know people say negative things about AAL, but perhaps instead of throwing $500 (deavers) at this experiment, you can just get an AAL for now, try it and see if it works, then get something once that "something" is developed for these trucks (05-06's). If the AAL doesn't cut it for you, you spent less than $200 on the thing. Bottom line is that this truck is still new and there isn't a complete system out there for the REAR yet. Don't want to start a war, but these are my $.02 that I've gotten from researching the forums. __________________ 2006 : tacoma : dcab : slvr : trdsport : 4wd : auto : saw's : 285/75/16 cooper stt : black ea101's . . .

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