4runner dual 3-link

DrVic@BallisticFab · 07-29-2007, 12:09 PM

DrVic@BallisticFab · 07-29-2007, 12:11 PM

DrVic@BallisticFab · 07-29-2007, 12:12 PM

hawaiianbro · 07-29-2007, 12:29 PM

:wow:

NorcalPR · 07-29-2007, 01:26 PM

Couldn't have said it better. Holy smokes

Kamr0n · 07-29-2007, 01:39 PM

those pics are goin in the porn folder on my computer.

Coondogger · 07-29-2007, 01:41 PM

Impressed........... Very clean work.

hytenor · 07-29-2007, 03:48 PM

looking good. I really like the low COG

one suggestion...after seeing Nate's carnage at the '06 TO to his rear upper link bracket I would beef that sucker up.

PappaF2 · 07-30-2007, 11:33 AM

Looks nice.

I have a question though, if you have driven it how does the suspension react having the pahards going the opposite direction from each other? If you haven't driven it, what are your thoughts on what it might do?
Also what coils is it running?

Kamr0n · 07-30-2007, 02:21 PM

retracted. i was wrong.

PappaF2 · 07-30-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamr0n

both bars are mount on the axle at the driver side as best i can tell... what are you talking about?

Look again. The panhard on the rear axle is mounted on the driver side of the axle. The panhard on the front axle is mounted to the passenger side of the axle. On a side note, any vehical with a steering box ( not full hydro) needs to run the panhard in line (same direction, angle, etc) as the drag link. Other wise the steering and suspension will fight each other and every time you hit a bump the wheels would drastically to one side.

CronusTRD · 07-30-2007, 03:07 PM

I think it would work better that way, and keep the suspension from fully unloading in one direction.

knoxtaco · 07-30-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamr0n

both bars are mount on the axle at the driver side as best i can tell... what are you talking about?

Looks to me like the panhard for the rear mounts at the axle on the drivers side, and the front mounts to the axle on the passenger side.

PappaF2 · 07-30-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CronusTRD

I think it would work better that way, and keep the suspension from fully unloading in one direction.

It very might. This is something I have been wondering for a while but can't really find any good info on it.
I am less concerned about low speed use than I am high speed, not just off road but freeway driving too. I am wondering if it would cause some weird YAW effects with the panhards mounted like that.
I have read that a panhard in the rear can cause some twicheyness on its own at high speeds (I'm talking off road where the suspension is using much more travel than on road freeway driving where it may not be noticed).

jsnby · 07-30-2007, 03:51 PM

Aren't the front shocks mounted upside-down?

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Originally Posted by DrVic@BallisticFab

85yotapro · 07-30-2007, 07:19 PM

that really doesnt look all that good...the rear shocks are set way to far in, there is a hell of alot of threads showing on the link ends(someone cant read tape), and the link mounts seem to have a bit to be desired (ie welds and structural integrity), and the coils leanin all over the place...there are a few more things but fuck it, Im gonna get bashed on enough anyways.

like always just my

Brain · 07-30-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PappaF2

Look again. The panhard on the rear axle is mounted on the driver side of the axle. The panhard on the front axle is mounted to the passenger side of the axle. On a side note, any vehical with a steering box ( not full hydro) needs to run the panhard in line (same direction, angle, etc) as the drag link. Other wise the steering and suspension will fight each other and every time you hit a bump the wheels would drastically to one side.

Todd, I think it's ok to have the rear axle differently setup panhard wise since it's not a steering axle. I can see how if the front axle has the panhard mounted opposite the drag link, it'll be fucked up.

thenexus · 07-30-2007, 08:04 PM

Sweet. I want to see that thing flex.

hytenor · 07-30-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 85yotapro

that really doesnt look all that good...the rear shocks are set way to far in, there is a hell of alot of threads showing on the link ends(someone cant read tape), and the link mounts seem to have a bit to be desired (ie welds and structural integrity), and the coils leanin all over the place...there are a few more things but fuck it, Im gonna get bashed on enough anyways.

like always just my

I waz gonna comment on those rear shocks as well. At that severe an angle the question, "why bother having shocks at all?" comes to mind.

They are rendered useless as shocks at that angle.

95TacoKid · 07-30-2007, 10:55 PM

looks good man..... but i would make a bigger plate where the sliders bolt on to the frame and put a gusset in on the top between the plate and legs...... other than that nice build

85yotapro · 07-31-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hytenor

I waz gonna comment on those rear shocks as well. At that severe an angle the question, "why bother having shocks at all?" comes to mind.

They are rendered useless as shocks at that angle.

at least someone sees what Im sayin, what really got me was the single shear mount for the heim at the pitman arm...yeah thats just a bad idea!

hytenor · 07-31-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 85yotapro

at least someone sees what Im sayin, what really got me was the single shear mount for the heim at the pitman arm...yeah thats just a bad idea!

well, I figure if Jeff's building this thing he will get it out on some narrly AZ trails first thing to find out what breaks first...then fix it.

either way, the final product will be pretty darn cool.

but those shocks....

PappaF2 · 07-31-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brain

Todd, I think it's ok to have the rear axle differently setup panhard wise since it's not a steering axle. I can see how if the front axle has the panhard mounted opposite the drag link, it'll be fucked up.

It probably wouldn't be all that noticable if both the panhards were long and flat (at ride height). But it is weird to think that if you hit a jump and the front and rear suspensions went to droop the front axle would swing to the driver side and the rear axle would swing to the passenger side.

Brain · 07-31-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PappaF2

It probably wouldn't be all that noticable if both the panhards were long and flat (at ride height). But it is weird to think that if you hit a jump and the front and rear suspensions went to droop the front axle would swing to the driver side and the rear axle would swing to the passenger side.

Very true

Stock 4Runners have the rear panhard mount exactly like Jeff did.

PappaF2 · 07-31-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brain

Very true

Stock 4Runners have the rear panhard mount exactly like Jeff did.

Yup thats true but they are IFS up front and that only moves up and down.

hytenor · 07-31-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PappaF2

Yup thats true but they are IFS up front and that only moves up and down.

hmm, maybe he should have gone with a radius arm up front instead of the 3-link?

PappaF2 · 07-31-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hytenor

hmm, maybe he should have gone with a radius arm up front instead of the 3-link?

Panhard still pushes/pulls it out to the side during bump or droop.

Really I am sure it's not that big a deal if you have nice long flat panhards (probably barely noticeable), I was just wondering if DrVic had some insite as to why he did it that way.

hytenor · 07-31-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PappaF2

Panhard still pushes/pulls it out to the side during bump or droop.

Really I am sure it's not that big a deal if you have nice long flat panhards (probably barely noticeable), I was just wondering if DrVic had some insite as to why he did it that way.

just use dual panhards...one from each side; that should take care of the problem

vegaskurt · 07-31-2007, 12:45 PM

That is sick.... What kind of coils are you running up front drvic and how does it handle?

awsumdc · 07-31-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hytenor

just use dual panhards...one from each side; that should take care of the problem

Didn't you cover that idea once before in another thread

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PappaF2 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Danville Posts: 1,205	Looks nice. I have a question though, if you have driven it how does the suspension react having the pahards going the opposite direction from each other? If you haven't driven it, what are your thoughts on what it might do? Also what coils is it running?

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85yotapro Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: P-Town Posts: 54	that really doesnt look all that good...the rear shocks are set way to far in, there is a hell of alot of threads showing on the link ends(someone cant read tape), and the link mounts seem to have a bit to be desired (ie welds and structural integrity), and the coils leanin all over the place...there are a few more things but fuck it, Im gonna get bashed on enough anyways. like always just my __________________ New 2000 Trd Taco And a Built 85yota which is forsale

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