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Hey all, have been lurking for a while on a few other boards so I thought I'd say HI! I'm in Colorado Springs and try to wheel with my girlfriend's mostly stock '79 truck. It's fun but I want more room so we can camp and bring the dog. There's an 85 (?) X-cab on 21st street by Cimarron that has a 350 Chevy with TBI and 38" Swampers but they're asking like $5500 for it. Some of the work is sketchy but it's an okay ride overall. If I buy it (not really likely) I'd stick a 22RE in there and re-do the stinger, it's not 100% welded together... and start my journey.

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Build the '79! I've got an '80 that I'm building up, and it would be great to have first gen truck buddy... BTW, that 85 X-cab won't be much bigger in terms of cargo space...

Anyway, welcome to COTTORA. We've got some upcoming snow wheeling opportunities. Check out the "Plan A Trail Run" folder.
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Welcome! Ask Mrdoug about buying poorly done chevotas...

As for QuickDraw:
Huh? An xtra cab is a TON bigger in terms of cargo space! You're looking at 103" wheelbase vs 112"...

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*From the factory manuals:
1979-83 short bed 101.77 *
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1984-89 4Runner 102.95 *
1984-88 xtra cab 112.20 *
1984-88 single cab short bed 102.95 *
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1984-88 double cab real short bed 112.20 *
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1989-95 short bed 103.3
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The X-tra cab is still alot bigger than the standard cab though! Totally worth it. Plus you have more leg room if you taller (seat goes further back).
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Welcome!

I've had: 80 regular cab, 86 ex cab, 87 reg cab, and I currently own a 86 4 Runner. Hated the regular cabs. LOVED the others.

If you are going to be doing any wheeling with camping in there. My advise would be the ex cab or 4 runner. The Runner is a better choice in that the wheel wells didn't rust as bad as the truck. You are going to have mucho problemas with rust no matter what.

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Eagle rock and saran wrap are semi-close to town in case something happens. That's where I've been winter camping before. Depending on the snow conditions, you may not get far in an almost stock truck.
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Yeah, it's the taco ex-cab that stretched out to 120+ (as Volcom posted).

As for buying a 350 conversion... good luck! Be very careful when picking something like that up. $5500 seems a little steep, depending on the rest of the build and overall condition of the truck.

Some things to inspect closely:
motor mounts: make sure the welds look really good and the motor mounts look strong. If you're not sure what constitutes "good welds" or "strong motor mounts" take somebody else along that is familiar with complex mod's like a 350 conversion.

Engine placement: It should be back against the firewall to the extent that there should be evidence that they had to hammer the firewall back to fit the motor (distributor should be barely clearing it)

Exhaust: look for headers and check the routing of the exhaust the length of the chasis. Mine was done horribly and there was a cross over built (where the driver and passenger sides meet up) that went directly under the transmission drain plug. This means that each time I drained my tranny, I had to let it pour over the exhaust pipes, and you can imagine what happened when I got the exhaust hot the next few times.

Cooling: This will be the #1 issue with the SBC conversion. Look for a custom radiator setup (I researched and found that a 2-core alum radiator with 1" tubes was best when paired with a high flow electric fan).

Transmission choice: Ask and verify which transmision is behind the SBC. Stock toyota transmissions can go there (bell housing adapters are available) but most Toyota trannys weren't designed to take that kind of torque and will show it in abnormally short life spans. If it's an auto, look for the th350, if manual, nv4500. Those are your best bets (for $5500, I'd expect a top of the line tranny behind the SBC).

A poorly done SBC 350 conversion can/will be a nightmare to deal with down the road. Unless you like turning wrenches. If you're thinking about yanking it and putting a 22re or equiv in there, skip it and look for a different base to work from. You can do much better than $5500.

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Welcome! Ask Mrdoug about buying poorly done chevotas...

As for QuickDraw:
Huh? An xtra cab is a TON bigger in terms of cargo space! You're looking at 103" wheelbase vs 112"...
Yeah...a full 10" behind your seat...
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Welcome Dan!! Im newish on this board too (been a member of TXTTORA for a bunch of years). I havent actually made it to Colorado yet, but Im fast approaching. We are relocating to Colorado Springs next month so maybe after we get up there and settled in we can hit some trails together...

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Welcome to TTORA. I would stick with the 79, but that depends on if she will let you build it. I would be very leary of engine swapped trucks. There is alot someone can do wrong, and it is not always apparent until after the transaction.




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Yeah...a full 10" behind your seat...
You'd be surprised at how much crap you can stuff in that 10".. priceless when camping.

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Doug, you havent been camping with Junior yet have you? The taco has 20" back there.




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No and you know that.. but will be easy to stuff sleeping bag, tent, clothes, etc back there. Basically anything you don't want to get wet/dusty/secure.

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Yeah, I guess on the Moab trip i had everything but gas/water and coolers in my extra cab of the taco and still had 1/2 of its space open.




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You'd be surprised at how much crap you can stuff in that 10".. priceless when camping.
x2 My '89 was a regular cab with a bench seat - there wasn't room for much of anything in the cab.

I'll let the stuffing 10" into anything jokes slide for now

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Was thinking it would be a great time for Hank to drop in with a joke.




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You'd be surprised at how much crap you can stuff in that 10".. priceless when camping.
Ive learned this already.

Single cabs suck for space... especially when your 6'2"

My suggestion to you, Dan.

22re's are great motors, but unless you plan to regear to just run a close to stock sized tire, you're not going to enjoy driving it on the highway, or up in the mountains.

On the other note, the v6's in the 3rd gens are pretty much garbage and prone to head gasket problems (right molly? ) so choices can be limited. There are plenty of well built rigs out there for $5500 or less, that are less hacked up than a converted 350 truck.

Look into a 4runner or an ext. cab for sure, you wont regret it. I plan to swap a ext. cab taco cab onto my single cab frame because i hate the single cab so much.

Look forward to meeting you, welcome!
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Hmmm...I'm going to have to throw in a sales pitch for my Tacoma here:

I'm asking $5500. It's a '97 3.4L V6 5 speed extended cab with 188k miles. It's built with a little armor, a locker, and 35s. It's still running very strong, and is always a pleasure to drive. The Tacoma extended cab actually has some space for all kinds of stuff behind the driver. It's much better than the 80s pickup extended cab. The only issue is that the steering rack has a pretty severe leak at the moment. I've been trying to save up the cash for a new rack before I relist it to sale. If you get it off my hands with the bad rack (it's completely safe and fine to drive on), I'll cut you a deal. Let me know if you're interested and would like to know more.
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It is fairly easy to build a 22re to make just as much power as the 3.0 motors, so i wouldnt disqualify a rig due to that.




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Might not be too difficult, but it's gonna be expensive ... you're talking at least a 25% improvement in power output!

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I have a real clean 85 4runner with lots of new schtuff on it

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