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I don't even want to talk about Liberty. What a disaster!

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I'm sure Kyle and Lauren will post some pics. It wasn't us but it took us close to 3 hours to move a Cherokee probably two car lengths up the extremely hard exit. It only had 3 wheels, two broke front axles, and no brakes. And he was alone.

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I'm sure Kyle and Lauren will post some pics. It wasn't us but it took us close to 3 hours to move a Cherokee probably two car lengths up the extremely hard exit. It only had 3 wheels, two broke front axles, and no brakes. And he was alone.
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I'll post up some pics and vids today when I get sone wifi.

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What time did he finally get out? He had been there since about 2:30 and I thought there were 2 other rigs with him.
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He was stuck way before 2:30. That's about the time Nate came around.

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We started trying to get him up the exit around 1:00. Wasn't really watching the clock. Just know that we needed to leave to make it to a dinner at 3:30. There's no way we can leave someone in a bad way. He had one buddy helping but his rig was way back down the trail. We had him start back out of Liberty because we knew we needed more winches. I left close to 3:30 and they were still trying to get him out. At least we had him to the top.
Made it to the dinner a 4:00.
I didn't mind. It's always a learning experience.

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He was stuck way before 2:30. That's about the time Nate came around.
I wasn't sure exactly, we came up Freedom with 2 broken rigs about that time and he was on the exit, right at the top. There was another Cherokee and a Taco with him.
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We started trying to get him up the exit around 1:00. Wasn't really watching the clock. Just know that we needed to leave to make it to a dinner at 3:30. There's no way we can leave someone in a bad way. He had one buddy helping but his rig was way back down the trail. We had him start back out of Liberty because we knew we needed more winches. I left close to 3:30 and they were still trying to get him out. At least we had him to the top.
Made it to the dinner a 4:00.
I didn't mind. It's always a learning experience.
Thanks for helping him out, I hate leaving anybody broken on a trail, but I was a passenger with a group that had to go.
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Here's a few pics and vids. Most of them were just short clips of us making about three inches of progress each time.

Here's our setup, someone had broken the railing a few weekends ago so we used it as a slider to bring the axel up.



Used his tire that fell off instead of rock stacking


First attempt at moving with the rail


Little sketchy


Glad we had the hi lift


Helped a lot...


Hi lift jack attack


At this point the railing was being wedged into his shock, tire, and gas tank...which is why it wasn't moving.

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I'm sure Kyle and Lauren will post some pics. It wasn't us but it took us close to 3 hours to move a Cherokee probably two car lengths up the extremely hard exit. It only had 3 wheels, two broke front axles, and no brakes. And he was alone.
He wasnt' necessarily alone. However, the two of us decided we weren't going up patriot. And we tried to talk him out of it... he's stubborn. Didnt listen.

We had him out of the way (off the exit, and pulled up about 100ft) about 20 minutes after you guys took off.
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I wasn't sure exactly, we came up Freedom with 2 broken rigs about that time and he was on the exit, right at the top. There was another Cherokee and a Taco with him.
Yea, we were parked down at the intersection. I was debating going out patriot until i heard it was that exit. I stayed at the bottom at the intersection until i got word as to what was going on. Then we boogied up and out Liberty and back around to winch him out.

PS -- we did what we could to get the oil/brake fluid cleaned up.
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Alone as in only vehicle on that section. He seemed like a pretty cool guy. So did the other Cherokee driver. Definatley pretty gutsy to go up that part.
Like I said. I didn't mind. Got to experiment with recovery techniques.
I'm glad he got out finally. We had some serious McGuiver crap going on.
The old guy helping was even going to get us his cherry picker to help get it out if we needed.
All in all... a good time.

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Thanks for helping him out, I hate leaving anybody broken on a trail, but I was a passenger with a group that had to go.
No biggy! You guys had major issues also. Also some sweet rigs in your group. Some of your guys offered to help but we had him up to the top by then. Thanks. Hope to see you on the trail again.

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WTF was that POS doing on Patriot in the first place?! That mall crawler has absolutely no business on that trail. I hope the cost of his carnage (and the tow home) sunk into his pea brained head that he should stay the fawk off trails that FAR exceed his AND his rig's capability. Everybody breaks and shit happens sometimes, but it all comes down to one simple motto: KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS.


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wow.

great job helping out. he's lucky he had some stand up people there to get him out of the trail. can't teach common sense i guess....
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holy shit! when you said 3-wheel, I thought one just didn't have any power (obviously with a broken axle)... but missing the wheel on the vehicle entirely

Good on all you for helping him. I've never turned my back on helping somebody out. But there's a line where you say "wow, you're just totally fucked. you're going to have to park your shit, go get parts and fix it to get out of here". From this side of the keyboard, i'd say that guy was just over that line.

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Guess that's what happens when nate drags jeeps out onto the trail.

Remember though shit happens. Pretty sure that jeep has upgraded axles so it wasn't entirely a bad rig. From the sounds of it the group was bored by liberty but most felt patriot was over their head. He just decided to give it a go and see what happened. I know many on here have done that once or twice in our wheeling careers.




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...From the sounds of it the group was bored by liberty but most felt patriot was over their head. He just decided to give it a go and see what happened.
That's when the sensible part of the brain should kick in and say "I think this one's beyond me." That's exactly what I said when I got to Patriot and looked at the big obstacles near and at the exit. This was before my stretch and I KNEW that my rig was not equipped and my wheelbase was too short for that trail...and back then my rig was still more ready then this Cherocar. What tires was he running? 33's? And where's his cage? I can understand him running Liberty, and that sounds totally reasonable for that geap. But Patriot?...Really? There's comp rigs that struggle on that one.

Kudos to those who helped him. He owes you guys some serious frosty beverages for that recovery...and that wasn't a Keystone or Bud Light recovery. That was definitely an Odell's 5-Barrel Pale or Breckenridge Oatmeal Stout recovery. I think I still have you beat though with my Tommy Knocker Imperial Maple Nut Brown recovery on Carnage.

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WOW! Damn Nate I should have gone with you! That would have been fun to watch

I still haven’t grown a big enough pair to attempt that route. I wanna say I give him props for trying, but from the looks of his truck, he had no chance of making it....


So how did he lose the wheel? BJ's?

Why no brakes? Couldn’t clamp off the broke line and get some pressure back in the other..... lol 2 or 3 wheels?

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Didn't see any reason to bother with it. He had a winch line on him the whole time anyway. Besides, it really didn't want to move anywhere on only 3 wheels. So it didn't seem necessary to go through all of that hassle.

The good news is that 95% of that recovery was done by the Jeep owner with his own winch and tools. Just with that he was able to get his axle back on flat ground. Nate and the other guy showed up to give him the last tug to get the ass end out. But honestly, he probably could have made it in time. We didn't have a rig there so our main role was just keeping the guy calm, offering suggestions, spotting, and an occasional spare hand. Otherwise, it was all him.

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The Jeep actually did just fine through everything up until the exit. He did pull a fair amount of cable though. About 35 feet before the exit he broke his first u joint and the second must have been somewhere trying to get a tire on the exit before hooking up the winch. At this point he began to back down at full lock to get a better angle. We saw that tire get pinched and it looked like it was turning too far. We were trying to yell at him to stop but he couldn't hear us and the damage was done. Both ball joints had broken although it wasn't immediately obvious yet. He managed to come up the exit about 5 feet before that tire folded over and I made him stop so that I could confirm that he snapped the ball joints. At this point, because the tire could not support weight it was a hindrance so we instructed him to unbolt his brake line and tie rod to get it out of the way. So the tire was not ripped off completely, it was removed.

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He truly did do a lot better than half the other people. One jeep broke before even getting on Patriot and another one flopped.

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He truly did do a lot better than half the other people. One jeep broke before even getting on Patriot and another one flopped.
This. ^

Not to insult anyone that wasnt there, but i went down with this guy. He knows his shit. He knows his rig. And he sure as hell knows how to drive. He trailered down (and obviously, back) so it wasnt a big deal. If i took my truck down on a trailer, you bet your asses i would of been on Patriot with him.

As kyle said, he did really well through the majority of the trail. He pulled cable twice, and we threw a few rocks around. But overall, it really wasnt THAT bad. There was not another group behind him that he was holding up, so he figured he would at least attempt it.

As ike said, shit happens. Parts break, and thats part of wheeling. It could of been avoided, yes. However, it wasn't. Oh well.

Jerry, he definitely did not have a chance in driving that exit. I was still debating running up patriot with him until i learned it was that exit, then i decided to opt out.
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I never knew Dana 30 were that fragile. Has anyone ever seen a Toyota knuckle tear off?

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Jerry, he definitely did not have a chance in driving that exit. I was still debating running up patriot with him until i learned it was that exit, then i decided to opt out.
At least he tried

That exit is insane! One of these days......maybe.


So he is running a D30/D35? Bolt patern looks like 5*4.5 from the picts, so i guess so.

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I never knew Dana 30 were that fragile. Has anyone ever seen a Toyota knuckle tear off?
Yes, the last issue of 4WD Toyota Owner had a picture of an FJ80 on the Rubicon that sheared his knuckle studs, which caused the entire knuckle to crack and fail. Scary considering that axle is supposed to be a lot stronger than ours are.

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Jerry, he was running a 30front 44 rear. This incident finally pushed him to get his other project done which is a commanche linked on 60's and 40's
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