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I have done a ton of searching and found nothing about what im looking for. all the threads out there are just pix threads and I dont care how your lights look on your truck. I want to know how they will perform on my truck.

i have a bit of money to get some new lights for my new bumper. I loved my old pair of warn dual beams but dont want to drop the cash on another set of those. Id rather try something new.

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1. be able to use them on the road without getting flashed by every oncoming car
2. blind the shit out of nate and ike night wheeling
3. have enough throw to be useful at high speeds on mountain roads at night
4. have enough spread to show me whats directly in front of me when crawling

I have been looking at HID this, LED that, halogen whatever but nothing seems like a good compromise. I would almost rather get two sets of lights, one for on road use and another for making trails turn into daylight.

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.... sounds like you want 2 styles of lights. some spot projectors and then some floods for on the trail. HID is going to give you insane amounts of light, whether you blind people with the spots is up to you and aiming them... but for distance i would still consider them as a hi beam and such... as for the floods those will light up any trail but you will probably want to be the person in the front with them on...

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i understand the different types of beam patterns and bulb types. im looking for specific knowledge. what brands/models do people have and why do they like/dislike them.

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http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...s-p-18084.html

what I would love to run. Just a single one on the front of my truck. But talk about pricey. From what I've read about them, they're about the best light you'll be able to find. But comes with a cost.
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i was looking at those nate. 18" version would be sweet. problem is the beam is going to be way to intense to use on the road at all. So i would have to supplement it with a set of driving beams ect.

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Eh, they could easily be mounted to adjustable bracket to aim lower for on road, and higher for offroad. You can also order them in 'euro' or 'flood' pattern. IIRC: the 'euro' pattern has a nice straight clean cutoff which is ideal for on road driving.

I was looking at just a single 8" for the front of my truck but it'll be awhile before i spend that kind of money on a single light.
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I had a set of PIAA 520 Ion Crystal Driving lights on my 01 Tundra for about 4 years. Although they were bright as hell, I did not care for the yellow color of the ion crystal lense. They were okay offroad at night, but I think I would have preferred something more of a flood pattern vs. the spot. Without a horizon line, I doubt they would have been able to be adjusted for on road use without blinding oncoming traffic. The driving beam was nice though when traveling down roads like 285 when no one else was around.

I did however like the construction of the PIAA's. I have been looking at the PIAA 520 ATP's, which supposedly have a all terrain pattern, but I am also a huge fan of LED's so I am very tempted to try a set of the PIAA 525 dual beams as well.

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I will never own a set of glass-lensed lights EVER again. I'm a huge fan of Lightforce, but the one complaint is that they don't have any vertical cutoff.

For you items 1 and 4 you want a FOG pattern, with a very sharp vertical cutoff, keeping the light horizontal and below.

For items 2 and 3, you want a SPOT or PENCIL pattern.

Near as I can tell, the LED stacks don't have any vertical dispersion control (despite their "euro pattern" branding)

I used to run a setup that perfectly acted as you described:
http://www.buyautotruckaccessories.c...nd-fog-lights/

The switch that comes with it only runs either the amber fog (with a very sharp vertical cutoff) OR the clear spot, but it's pretty easy to convert it to two separate switches so you can run both at the same time. They have glass lenses, mine fogged up on occasion, and they're PIAA so spare parts are impossible to get, but in terms of your beam pattern requirements, they're perfect. Maybe someone else makes something similar.

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what I was thinking about for a while was a 12" LED bar with another set of cheapo driving lights for on road use. dont know if its worth the monies for all that though.

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Those LED bars are badass (expensive, but badass).

The cheapo driving lights from wal-mart, vato-zone, etc. can easily be height adjusted and will actually help illuminate the road ahead. I plan to add a set to the front and rear of my truck eventually.
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I want one of the 4" LED double stacks for a reverse light

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im planning on getting some of the 4" hid lights from checker.... 100 a light isn't that bad for HID's

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ended up biting the bullet and ordered an 8" LED light bar with my rock light set today. Ill see how it does solo and then decide what other lights, cheapo or otherwise, I need to supplement it with. I figure the 8" doesnt have quite the projection of other lights or a larger light bar so it will be good for the up close side of things and depending on the beam may be able to use it on road, doubtful but maybe. depending on that I may get a second set with more throw like a pencil beam or get something with more of a fog beam to use on road.

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I'll be interested to see how the beam pattern is too.

Where did you order them from?

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everywhere had the same price but the one place I could get free shipping (to the office) was MacNeill Industries. I was told by HowYaDoin on the main board to call VisionX directly and ask for the good buddy discount but every time I tried their direct phone in the last 3 weeks its been busy, during and after hours so I gave up.

Initially I wanted a 12" light bar but for the price, and since I wanted another pair of lights anyway, I went with the 8". Hopefully they live up to their reputation.

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im planning on getting some of the 4" hid lights from checker.... 100 a light isn't that bad for HID's
I have the same lights and like them a lot, SUPER bright for the price!



IPF H4 conversion housings, PIAA extreme white bulbs. This set up is awesome on the road and I can see great, it's brighter in person.



Checker 4" HID's, like the above picture they are brighter in person! Almost too bright at times.

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got the led bar in the mail today. hopefully I can get them rigged up on temp mounts till my bumper gets here. probably do it this weekend

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also looking at doing a G1 projector conversion for my stock headlights... might be another thing to consider. another guy is going to see if a G3 will fit into the housing without issues but then you get HID's for your headlights with high/low beams. might be something to consider, then you can just get spots....

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the stock headlights are good for what they are. besides, i have to have something to keep on when nate and ike bitch until i turn off the leds!

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in all seriousness though I really want to see if this thing lives up to its hype.

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This is why I don't like super ultra white lights.


I think that the latest trend of using ultra white and super bright, is defeating the purpose of what most people are trying to accomplish. I have seen, for example, replacement dome lights with an LED board adapter. While that's a great idea, (low amperage so you can leave it on and it doesn't kill your battery) but it's so white that you can't differentiate the layers. It basically paints everything white and there is no depth perception. The same can be applied to fog/driving lights it's soo bright that all you see is white.

I think that if I were to buy one of those LED flood lights I'd have them put an amber bulb in one of the sockets just to "tint" the beam.

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in all seriousness though I really want to see if this thing lives up to its hype.
Hook it up to a battery!

Kevin - part of the issue is the picture is a bit overexposed in that area, but yes, the spectral response of LED's does make it a bit harder to "see" even with the same lumen output. I know LCD is polarized ... is LED?

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I would suspect that you could get a polarized lens for it, or you could get a DIY polarizer. I have been saving for a set of the 4" ones. I really like them and I know that the 8" 24v ones that I have worked with before are AMAZING! The issue would still remain though and I've found a place where I could get a replacement LED of the same caliber in Amber. Due to the cost and waranty issues though I don't think I'll be taking the damn thing apart to "experiment" with it. I've taken one of the 24 volt one's apart but only because it was damaged by a snow cat and was junk anyways. It's amazing how simple they are. The one killer though is heat, they produce a lot of it and must be mounted to a heat sink, hence the "fins" on the back of the light.

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Umm ... LEDs don't generate heat - that's one of the big plusses ...

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that is actually an issue troy. its the inverter that generates heat and needs taken care of. one of the main reasons I went with VisionX instead of a few other brands was the research they have put into the heat sink for the LEDs. I wont have time until this weekend to even try to hook them up cuz of midterms. I know the overly white light of an LED is hard for some people to see but ive never had a problem with it so hopefully no modification will be needed.

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I have seen what he is talking about I had the same lights as a buddy of mine but he went the extra 30 bucks and got the 140w and I had the 100w. His were blinding and mine were perfect I know they weren't led of hid's but in the middle of nowhere you can see that spot where everything is to lite up. Like a burn or overexposer spot on a picture. To which is his own I guess!!!!!

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hey, this is semi-on-topic. and i have been thinking about this for a while.

anyone found a good way to get wiring to the roof of a 3rd gen runner for lights? i saw there was a small grommet in the back to run the 3rd brake light. but it doesnt leave a whole lot of room for wiring... any bright ideas?? and no, i wont drill a hole in the roof of my ride.

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I just saw a writeup about it, but can't remember where ... Basically, they came out through the hatch, then back forward inside the roof rack rails.

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I just saw a writeup about it, but can't remember where ... Basically, they came out through the hatch, then back forward inside the roof rack rails.
nice... any idea where the write up went? thats exactly what i was looking to do.

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