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looking for a reputable place to buy some new gears

i have an 86 x-cab 4x4 with a 22re in it. i am currently running 31" tires and dont plan on going any larger on this truck, its my winter daily driver. from the research i have done on here and other places i have decided to go with 4.56 gears front and rear. can anyone recommend a reputable place to get the gears from? i would like to buy a fully assembled set up that i can remove the old and replace with the new with as little down time as possible.

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i have an 86 x-cab 4x4 with a 22re in it. i am currently running 31" tires and dont plan on going any larger on this truck, its my winter daily driver. from the research i have done on here and other places i have decided to go with 4.56 gears front and rear. can anyone recommend a reputable place to get the gears from? i would like to buy a fully assembled set up that i can remove the old and replace with the new with as little down time as possible.

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location? that might help

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You can get a set of used factory 3rd members in either 4.56 or 4.88 from here.

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location? that might help

otherwise order geared diffs from ECGS and then send them back your cores. no down time at all.
my appologies, i thought it was in my profile with my name, im in allentown pa 18102. i talked to ecgs through email and through private message on here, got two different prices for the same setup from the same person so not too sure i want to deal with them.
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my appologies, i thought it was in my profile with my name, im in allentown pa 18102. i talked to ecgs through email and through private message on here, got two different prices for the same setup from the same person so not too sure i want to deal with them.
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my appologies, i thought it was in my profile with my name, im in allentown pa 18102. i talked to ecgs through email and through private message on here, got two different prices for the same setup from the same person so not too sure i want to deal with them.
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Go with the lower price obviously! lol
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Definately go with ECGS. You will not go wrong. Why do you want to change gears so bad. The 4.10s that you have are fine for 31s. Hell, I ran 35s on 4.10 gears on the street.

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Definately go with ECGS. You will not go wrong. Why do you want to change gears so bad. The 4.10s that you have are fine for 31s. Hell, I ran 35s on 4.10 gears on the street.
the reason for wanting to change gears is to try and get better mileage and power out of the truck. it cant get out of its own way and i get passed by motorhomes going uphill to work everyday. i cant get it out of 4th gear on the highway and it tops out at about 65-70. im not looking to gain more speed, just better gas mileage and a little better pep for lack of better terms. at the moment i get about 8 mpg highway or city. my 87 auto 4runner on 31" tires got about 17mpg or better. after researching re-gearing and what it seems to help with i decided it would be a good start to making it a little bit better of a daily driver, and a little more fun to play around with in the snow and occasional mud.


the cheaper quote from ecgs came from the website and the more expensive on this site. i am in no way bashing the company it just kind of struck me as odd that i got two different prices, the reason i sent two emails was that i sent one through here and hadnt gotten an answer in a few days so i figured they may be easier to contact on the actual website.
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thats weird that you get like 8 mpg. my pickup gets like 17 with no regear and 33s.

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the reason for wanting to change gears is to try and get better mileage and power out of the truck. it cant get out of its own way and i get passed by motorhomes going uphill to work everyday. i cant get it out of 4th gear on the highway and it tops out at about 65-70. im not looking to gain more speed, just better gas mileage and a little better pep for lack of better terms. at the moment i get about 8 mpg highway or city. my 87 auto 4runner on 31" tires got about 17mpg or better. after researching re-gearing and what it seems to help with i decided it would be a good start to making it a little bit better of a daily driver, and a little more fun to play around with in the snow and occasional mud.


the cheaper quote from ecgs came from the website and the more expensive on this site. i am in no way bashing the company it just kind of struck me as odd that i got two different prices, the reason i sent two emails was that i sent one through here and hadnt gotten an answer in a few days so i figured they may be easier to contact on the actual website.
wow, that thing should have come with at least 4.56s...some even got factory 4.88s.

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i have an 86 x-cab 4x4 with a 22re in it.
8 mpg makes me think you have engine problems. I used to have the same truck with 31s too, but with a 22R and I got ~16. and I live in the mtns.

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can you say needs a tune-up?

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can you say needs a tune-up?
did a tune up about 3 week ago
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8 mpg makes me think you have engine problems. I used to have the same truck with 31s too, but with a 22R and I got ~16. and I live in the mtns.
i was thinking that may be the problem too. i want to check the timing on it and see if that may be the problem. when i bought it there was a big exhaust leak and it was missing the O2 sensor. had a whole new exhaust put on with new sensor. truck went from 6mpg to 8mpg. the previous owner replaced the head gasket so i am wondering if he messed something up in the process
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Reversed some plug wires maybe and really only a 2 cyl. right now. If it runs hot that could be the issue. I did that on my 87 Cherokee V6. Thought it was same as GM firing order since it is the same engine, I was wrong.

Also the 80's 4x4's that came from factory with 31's were geared with 4.88's.

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Reversed some plug wires maybe and really only a 2 cyl. right now. If it runs hot that could be the issue. I did that on my 87 Cherokee V6. Thought it was same as GM firing order since it is the same engine, I was wrong.

Also the 80's 4x4's that came from factory with 31's were geared with 4.88's.
thanks for the insight, i wll look into the wires possibly being in the wrong spots. i replaced them one at a time to make sure they werent switched around accidentally but the p/o may have had them out of whack since before i bought it. the truck runs a little rich alos. does anyone have any info on which wires go where? i am at work now so i dont have access to my haynes manual to see if the order is in there.

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Check your timing.

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Check your timing.
that thought had crossed my mind as well since the p/o did the head gasket himself. any idea what the timing should be set at?
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If he replaced the head gasket check your cam timing as well as your ignition timing. I believe a stock 22re ignition timing is somewhere around 8-10* but check the manual first I am going off memory.

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If he replaced the head gasket check your cam timing as well as your ignition timing. I believe a stock 22re ignition timing is somewhere around 8-10* but check the manual first I am going off memory.
thanks for another good suggestion. i will look it up in my manual tongiht when i get home and see what it tells me. hopefully i can get some time to play around with the timing nextr tuesday when i am off but the never ending honey do list is a big one!
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good deal, thanks for the suggestion. who is the vp of the chapter? im gonna hold off on the gears for now until i figure out if the engine is the main cause. i have a set of stock rollers with stock size tires on them that i think i am gonna throw on and drive around for a full tank, maybe that will help shed some light on things as well?? who knows with my luck
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good deal, thanks for the suggestion. who is the vp of the chapter? im gonna hold off on the gears for now until i figure out if the engine is the main cause. i have a set of stock rollers with stock size tires on them that i think i am gonna throw on and drive around for a full tank, maybe that will help shed some light on things as well?? who knows with my luck
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I had him set up the gears in my Tacoma and they have been perfect for the last 5 years.
cool, once i get my timing situated i will give him a shout. thanks for the advice
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ok quick update, there were several issues contirbutiing to the bad mileage. problem one: fuel return line was leaking heavily.
problem two: the timing was off by about 15 degrees
problem 3: the idle was about 250 rpm too high according to toyota specs.
problem 4: intake gasket was no good, replaced and fixed.

seems to be running much better now, we will see what a new full tank brings.
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Good stuff. Now that the engine is healthy, you still gonna do the gears?

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