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Don't know if anybody else has found this out yet.. but 4wp has changed the black steel wheels with round holes AGAIN. This time they at least changed the part number..

87-5883 has been discontinued and replaced with 97-5883. Same lug pattern, same 3.75 backspacing, but now there are 8 larger holes instead of 7 small ones. I got these direct from their distrubtion wharehouse store in Compton where they are all shipped from. As they put it, 97-5883 supersedes 87-5883, and you can no longer get the 7 hole ones.

And before that, they had 10 small holes, but the same part number.. fokers and there quality control.

So now I have 3 diffrent hole patterns.. i've got 3 rims with 10 holes, 3 rims with 7 holes, and 2 rims with 8 holes. Geeezzzzz... I was hoping to finaly have 5 rims with the same holes.. oh well. On the bright side the larger holes do look better.

87-5883 was what Wheelers was selling before, I don't know what they are using or if they just changed over to the 97-5883's for the 3.75 backspacing.

I was assured they would still clear, the only thing that changed was the number and size of the holes.. but what do they ever know.. I'll find out on thurs or so when I get them mounted.
 

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Well, after looking at them I went and pulled a wheel.. THEY DO NOT FIT. The new holes are dimple punched, which leaves a large lip around the holes on the inside of the rim.. which hits the caliper. Fockers don't know shit about designing wheels.. If you make a wheel as a direct replacement for another, and sell it as so, it should have the same clearences.. So now I can't get any replacment rims from them, much less ones that look the same.
 

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I saw on their web site they have a note that says "does no fit toyota tacoma". Hom much does it not clear by? I know no one is a fan of wheel spacers around here but what about some small ones like 1/8", would those help it clear? My friend had to use some that size when he put these fatty tires on his Camaro cause the tire was rumming inside the wheel well.

Or what about grinding that extra over hang down with a dremel or somehing?
 

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These are nowhere close.. no grinding will fix these. The dimple holes are more like 1/4" deep.. You can't even get the rim to sit flat.. yeah, you could run a spacer, but nobody should run those anyways.. Americas Tire won't even touch a vehical now with spacers or stud kits.

Just sucks because these "replace" the perfectly good 87-5883. The shouldn't even market it as a replacement, or even the same end part number. They guy at the counter didn't say crap about them not fitting a Tacoma.
 

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So you think it would take a 1/4" wheel spacer?
 

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Tankota said:
These are nowhere close.. no grinding will fix these. The dimple holes are more like 1/4" deep.. You can't even get the rim to sit flat.. yeah, you could run a spacer, but nobody should run those anyways.. Americas Tire won't even touch a vehical now with spacers or stud kits.

Just sucks because these "replace" the perfectly good 87-5883. The shouldn't even market it as a replacement, or even the same end part number. They guy at the counter didn't say crap about them not fitting a Tacoma.
Who actually makes those rims? ....because I was at the Compton warehouse after work Friday (I know..I know...I hate to admit I was there because of their high prices and poor service), but I found out first hand that most of the people there were clueless about ANY of the parts they sell. I am not talking just Toyota either.

I was lucky I was just picking up tires that they had in stock compared to Costco and waiting a week :D Better luck finding those matching rims, David. :xbeer1: Why not start up a rim business and making us some 15's that DO fit ??? :D
 

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So you think it would take a 1/4" wheel spacer?
Only one way to find out..
 

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Who actually makes those rims?
From what I remember, they are made by Tech1 for Procomp.. and as everybody knows, procomp is basicaly 4wp inhouse brand.. they are basicly next door to each other.

The only reason I went there was because they almost always have stuff like this in stock in Compton (duh, it's where everything is shipped from) so I don't have to wait for them to do a store xfer or pay shipping.. so picking them up is cheaper than ordering them from Wheelers.. didn't think about the fact that the idiots that run the company would drasticaly change a part like that and still try to sell it as the same/simular part number.. My guess is that the stamped dimple centers are alot cheaper than the cut ones, so they are trying to make more money off them..screw any clearance issues that may cause, this way they make a buck or two more off them.
 

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so, the "87 series" from 4wp will not fit in a tacoma? 15x8 3.75 b/s
this sucks because i don't know where i can get cheap wheels like that...
besides wheelers....and i really do not want to pay 100 shipping for them either...
 

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Update

UPDATE:

I Returned the 97's. BJ over at the Van Nuys store is trying to place a special order for the 87 series ones. So far Procomp isn't returning his calls, but he put the order into the system.. So at this point we are waiting for either Procomp to call him back, or the rims to show up. Pretty good customer service so far from a 4WP sales person.
 

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glad i got my series 87's when i did
 

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The dimple holes are more like 1/4" deep..
Would it be safe/possible to grind the lip of the dimple holes rather than the caliper?
 
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Tankota said:
Don't know if anybody else has found this out yet.. but 4wp has changed the black steel wheels with round holes AGAIN. This time they at least changed the part number..

87-5883 has been discontinued and replaced with 97-5883. Same lug pattern, same 3.75 backspacing, but now there are 8 larger holes instead of 7 small ones. I got these direct from their distrubtion wharehouse store in Compton where they are all shipped from. As they put it, 97-5883 supersedes 87-5883, and you can no longer get the 7 hole ones.
I just got off the phone with 4WP in Oakland and ordered 2 of the 87-5883 wheels. They are in stock and they say that they will ship on Monday, I should see them sometime mid week. They also said that they have 4 more in stock. If this is true and they show up, I will post pics next week.

I know that you can also special order the 87-5883's from procomp, but you need to find a operator at 4WP that knows what they hell they are doing... not an easy task!

If anyone else wants 4 and wants them quick, I would call (510) 436-4979 and ask for James. This is the Oakland store. Make sure you price match them to Wheelers at $39.99, as their default price is $49.99.

Again, if they show up I will post about it!
 

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Tankota said:
Well, after looking at them I went and pulled a wheel.. THEY DO NOT FIT. The new holes are dimple punched, which leaves a large lip around the holes on the inside of the rim.. which hits the caliper. Fockers don't know shit about designing wheels.. If you make a wheel as a direct replacement for another, and sell it as so, it should have the same clearences.. So now I can't get any replacment rims from them, much less ones that look the same.
I have those same wheels. I accidentally bought these wheels a year ago and have been sitting in the garage since. It was the exact same part # also, 97-5883? I don't know what these idiots are thinking. So now i'm trying to see what car these wheels fit on so i can go to the forums and sell!
 

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Would it be safe/possible to grind the lip of the dimple holes rather than the caliper?
Tried it. Don't even bother. Multiply that # of holes by 4. I could barely even grind the lip. The caliper is much easier but grinding the calipers for these wheels to fit will not work either.
 
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