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This is going to stir the pot a bit (if it even makes it a day on this thread). I am sure the higher ups will delete it, God knows they don't want me stirring it up...

You know, I don't give a damn. Back in the day I when I was Prez I did things different, heck Shannon did things different with the National club....

I will probably not be a member after this post. I really don't care. If all all you who read this agree with our current leadership oh well. See ya later....

I e-mailed our TX Prez and asked if I attended the TX TO this year (which he so gracefully gave us a whole month to plan for) and wasn't able to stay for the entire event (ie: I have to leave at 4pm on Sat due to the fact that I couldn't get off of work with such short notice) Would I still be eligible for the raffle. He said for the driver's raffle yes, but for the MAJORITY of the prizes (ie: winch, locker, multiple $300 gift cert. http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69022 ) no, I wouldn't be. So I come on Thur, stay till 3 or 4pm on Sat, I wouldn't be able to be in on the raffle because I wasn't present (held around 7 or 8pm Sat night). OK, WTF. Why should I go. Makes me think my participation in the event is not appreciated...

I ask you, fellow members of the club. Is this fair ??? I have won 2 major prizes in the past at a TX TO and a Nat. TO. I DO NOT remember paying for raffle tickets EITHER time. I could be wrong, it has been a while. (Maybe I did. I remember I got a ticket for food and a ticket for a chance at a prize. I just happen to win the grand prize both times.) Yet this time you attend the TX TO you get one ticket to win one chance at a $500 ARB gift certificate. OK, that is not bad. But sponsors DONATE a winch, a locker, $300 in gift certificates. No, those you have to pay money for. WHY ??? The ONLY time I ever paid for a raffle, the club actually BOUGHT the item first, and the pay for the ticket was to help pay for the item. In this case, I have no clue what we pay for. Call me crazy, but when a sponsor DONATES an item it is given to the club to GIVE away, NOT sell...

You know, Chris is a great guy, but this is total BS. I don't know how he runs his other club but if this is how he plans to run TX TTORA I am out. You guys have fun. I just thought if I attended a run and was there 85% of the time I should be able to get a chance to win the raffle prize. DO YOU THINK SO ??? Or am I just a wacked mofo off his rocker ??? Please let me know, cause according to Chris I am only thinking about myself not all those who attend who want to see the actual winner be up there to smile for the camera with the sponsor. Pucker up buddy. Back when I was Prez I would have let a fellow wheeler be involved in the raffle if he was there almost the entire run, having to leave at the end to get to work. Especially if I planned it at the last minute and was TRYING to get drivers to attend...

Just think you are a bit full of yourself when you send me this crap:

"The drivers raffle does not require the driver to be present to win. His name is on the ticket, we know who it is, no big deal.

The general raffle, must be present to win. We're not gonna write names on literally hundreds (thousands if Manny shows up) of tickets, makes it way too painful for the guys that sell them as well. Been there, done that, not doing it again.

If you stop thinking about yourself and think about the big picture, you should understand (if you've ever been to a large raffle) what a huge buzzkill it is for everyone else. Sure, everyone wants to win, but if they don't win, they want to see someone win. They don't want to see someone watching over hundreds of tickets for people that aren't there like they are hoarding bingo sheets or something. Furthermore, the sponsors and vendors that attend want to give prizes to the winner, and those who don't attend want to see pictures of happy winners, not stand-ins.

If that upsets you, don't buy any tickets... I'm sure the others wont' mind.

So simmer down and sleep on it. I think you would regret it if you let something as petty that as prevent you from meeting and wheeling with everyone."


You plan this event on 05-11-2007. It is set for 06-22-2007. Not a whole lot of time to plan. You really think there will be "literally hundreds (thousands if Manny shows up) of tickets" sold for the raffle. Dream on buddy. All I asked is if you could count me in, one lone wheeler, not hundreds of names, ONE name. (most who are in the drawing, if not all, will be present) So I wouldn't be there if I even DID win. Is that such a loss. If so, screw it...

Sorry all to rant and drag this out but I felt it was BS and I want YOU as members to know how I felt...

So if you think I am full of it and JUST thinking of myself, please let me know. Or maybe you feel as I do, that a fellow member, who makes an effort to attend a FULL run should be able to get in on the raffle and a chance to win some nice prizes ???
 

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Sounds like you're just after the give-aways, instead of going to wheel and have a good time as the event was designed. The raffle is merely a bonus if you ask me and if they have rules, tough sht, you should respect and abide by them. You're not being singled out, it's the same for everybody. That's my .02
 

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Sounds like you're just after the give-aways, instead of going to wheel and have a good time as the event was designed. The raffle is merely a bonus if you ask me and if they have rules, tough sht, you should respect and abide by them. You're not being singled out, it's the same for everybody. That's my .02
I agree with you. We had a huge raffle in Feb at one of our events. About $25,000 worth of stuff. When we called a number out and you were NOT there, tough cookies, we moved on. I would be pissed if I had to pay for shipping on a set of sliders, or a winch if you weren't there. Fat chance if I am gonna do that too. I agree with Chris on this one though. Go to wheel, and if you are going to stomp your feet about a raffle, don't go wheeling then. I wouldn't base my whole 4 days on a raffle.

Really?
 

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Yeah I agree the raffle is just a bonus and maybe to draw a few people that are reluctant on coming. But every raffle I have ever been to TTORA or not then you have to pay for a ticket. The point of a raffle is to generate money, I mean that is the point of the whole thing. An item is donate for free then the money is given for the ticket far a chance to win said item, then the money is used for some chariatable thing or used to pay for the event or future events in question. Last year I had to pay for my raffle tickets at TO.

Now as far as must be present to win. Just basically means they are not going to draw your name and then mail or ship you the prize if you win. What most people do is give the money or tickets to someone that is going to be there that you trust to be honest to claim the prizes for you if you are lucky enough to win.
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to buy raffle tickets for a big item, and be there to receive it, pretty common practice.
 

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Gotta agree with the other two on this. I am shocked to hear that you were a Prez and can't understand how difficult it is to deal with finding the people who won when they aren't there. I am on staff and put in a ton of hours without any pay and find it rude that you expect more! Yes, we often have prizes donated and our sponsors know that we are charging for raffle tickets. They feel they are sponsoring the club, not the individual who wins the prize. We have limited funds in our account and use that money for things that would benefit the club. If you are concerned about where the money goes for the tickets, ask your current prez, I am sure he isn't just pocketing the money. The raffle is for fun and you are making it a burden. I go on runs to wheel with my friends and meet new people, anything beyond that is a bonus. If you aren't going to be there for the raffle, don't buy a ticket. I noticed you mentioned you have gotten a free meal ticket in the past, who paid for the food?
 

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Chad, I never did you wrong, in fact I've gone out of my way to help you in the past- then, to come up with this petty drama? At 4:00 in the morning? After I gave you my cell phone number (again) so we could talk things over calmly? Unbelievable.

I don't have time for drama, but I'll leave your little rant up here.

FYI, from what I have been told, the first Takeover that was run as an "Event" in October of 2005 was considered by everyone one of the best Takeovers, due in part to a kick-ass raffle. I have run and helped run alot of "Events", and I don't think anyone will disagree that I do pretty good. It also takes a lot of my time, and for your information, I don't participate in raffles for events I run, so BEW-HEW for me never getting a chance to win.

As far as tickets, yes there will be hundreds sold. Most people buy more than one.:rolleyes:

Furthemore, you have a chance at winning something, so stop making it sound like poor you ain't getting a chance at anything.

As far as the planning goes- if you can't manage to plan a simple trip an hour from your house 6 weeks out, I'm sorry. Believe me, I made it a lot harder on myself than on anyone, but it's in the interest of getting more runs put together throughout the state for the remainder of the year.

This is a wheeling event, there are a lot more important things than just you getting a giveaway out of a raffle.
 

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This thread is now closed. The OP got a response to his complaint and I am closing this before it does turn into a flame fest. If the OP has anymore beef, he needs to take it to PM.
 
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