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Registering Your Voice?
Stop Congress From Silencing You!
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This week - perhaps even tomorrow - the U.S. Senate is taking up legislation that could stifle gun owners' voices in the legislative process.

To ensure gun owners remain able to speak out in support of our Second Amendment rights, during debate this week on S.A. 3, the "Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act", Senators Robert Bennett (R-Utah) and Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will offer an amendment to strike Sec. 220-the section that would force countless groups of ordinary citizens to register with the federal government as "lobbyists," with all the attendant restrictions, costs, and penalties.

The First Amendment protects an unqualified "right of the people . to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." One of NRA's greatest strength is our members' ability to fully use the First Amendment to protect the Second Amendment. But Sec. 220 would, for the first time in American history, regulate "the voluntary efforts of members of the general public to communicate their own views on an issue to Federal officials." Among its everyday adverse effects would be the following:


  • [*]Organizations answering mail, e-mail, or telephone calls from people who may or may not be members would have to either verify each person's status as a paying "member" as defined in Section 220, or refrain from urging those people to call Congress about legislative issues. Of course, every day, NRA engages in these types of activities with members and non-members alike.
    [*]Organizations would have to screen e-mail subscriptions to exclude subscribers who are not paying members or else report all e-mail alerts as "paid efforts to stimulate grassroots lobbying." This would have a severe impact on the Friday NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert - and on Special Alerts like this one.
Sec. 220 would also do a great disservice by increasing the power of the anti-gun media to the detriment of the people. For example, a privately-owned newspaper could run editorials every day advocating drastic restrictions on Second Amendment liberties-without being subject to any reporting requirements. However, if a staff member of a pro-gun organization, such as NRA, writes a letter to the editor of that newspaper that expresses an opposing view and urges readers to call their senators, that letter would be a "paid effort to stimulate grassroots lobbying." The organization would have to report the cost of the staffer's salary for writing and submitting the letter. This requirement would apply even if the newspaper never publishes the letter, since it is still a "paid attempt . to influence the general public." (Emphasis added)

Similarly, if the grassroots organization pays an advertising agency to create and place a newspaper ad in the same newspaper, the advertising agency would have to register as a "grassroots lobbying firm" within 45 days of being retained and report costs of the communication-even if the ad never runs! The registration requirement would signal the group's plans to opponents, and constitute a prior restraint on free speech, contrary to principles of the First Amendment.

Violations of any of these complex, technical provisions could be punishable by massive civil penalties and felony prison terms under the substitute bill that the Senate will consider. Ultimately, Sec. 220 would force so many organizations to report so many activities that the information would become useless. It would simply be impossible for interested observers to sort the wheat from the chaff.

The First Amendment protects the "right of the people"-not the "right of people who can afford teams of lawyers, accountants, and disclosure specialists." Because the ability of grassroots organizations to communicate with the public is so central to the First Amendment and our ability to protect the Second Amendment, we urge you to contact your U.S. Senators immediately and urge them to support the Bennett-McConnell Amendment (#20) to strike Section 220 in the "Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act." You can reach your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121. You may also e-mail your Senators by clicking here: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/.

Once you have contacted your two U.S. Senators, please urge your family, friends, and fellow firearm owners to do the same!

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Anyone know what pro-wheeling oraganizations could be affected by this bill?

We should let them know about it.
 

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Well I read it, and really didn't understand all of it :confused: , so I would appricate it if someone could break it down to simple terms for me. All I know is that the fucking government ain't taking my guns, and sure as hell ain't gonna make me register them. they can kiss my ass :xmoon:. :D
 

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...and sure as hell ain't gonna make me register them.
They tried a gun registery in Canada a couple of years ago, after a few billion dollars, and outrage on the part of gun owners, and tax payers, they gave up.
 

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izahick1 said:
Well I read it, and really didn't understand all of it :confused: , so I would appricate it if someone could break it down to simple terms for me. All I know is that the fucking government ain't taking my guns, and sure as hell ain't gonna make me register them. they can kiss my ass :xmoon:. :D


basically someone is trying to pass a bill (the one labeled 220) that will make it very diffricult for grassroots organizations to keep us notified of legislation.

To put it simply whoever is trying to get this bill passed is trying to stop organizations like the NRA from keeping the American people informed on any issues or bad legislation that arises.
 

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This sounds far-fetched; the part where Republicans from Utah and Kentucky want gun owners to register as lobbyists just seems odd.
 

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I thought guns were banned in canada?
No, but they are banned in Britain and Australia. There the only way to have guns legally is to be part of a club that requires a lot of community service, time, sacrifices, etc.. Even then you may be limited to small-caliber, low-powered sporting rifles or sporting shotguns.
Has anyone noticed the increase in knife, sword, and crossbow attacks over sea? Seriously. Crime certainly hasn't diminished. Criminals have no fear of law-abiding citizens. In fact, this whole thing spits into Natural Selection's face: those who shit on society should be punished by it, not rewarded.
 

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basically someone is trying to pass a bill (the one labeled 220) that will make it very diffricult for grassroots organizations to keep us notified of legislation.

To put it simply whoever is trying to get this bill passed is trying to stop organizations like the NRA from keeping the American people informed on any issues or bad legislation that arises.
Oh ok, well thanks for bringing that down to my level :D. Well I'm going to keep my comments to myself about the whole gun control, and everything. But just like I said before...any mother fucker that wants to take my gun, and every other law abiding citizens guns, can kiss my ass...I'll even bend over for 'em :lmao:
 

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Ive never heard of the "JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP"
But whatever, the update is the important thing. I get these email updates from being on a local shooting clubs mailing list. So dont ask. :dunno:

> ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
> America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
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> January 22, 2007
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> JPFO ALERT: CONGRESS SHAFTS SECOND AMENDMENT AGAIN
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> Well, they certainly didn't wait long, did they?
>
> Alan Korwin, author of "Gun Laws of America" (
> www.gunlaws.com ), recently alerted us to some ominous
> activity taking place in Congress. Less than three weeks
> after the 110th Congress convened, the Democrats have
> already proposed four -- yes, FOUR -- new gun laws!
>
> "The Child Gun Safety and Gun Access Prevention Act of
> 2007," H.R.256 ( http://tinyurl.com/3brx43 ) would raise
> the minimum age for the ownership of a semi-automatic rifle
> from 18 to 21. In addition, children under 18 attending a
> gun show must be accompanied by an adult at all times.
> Worse, it calls for fines and jailtime if a child gets a
> hold of your firearm and uses it to cause death or serious
> bodily injury, if you "recklessly disregarded the risk"
> that a child could access your firearm.
>
> More ludricrous is H.R. 428 ( http://tinyurl.com/38k7mk ),
> entitled "To require the Consumer Product Safety Commission
> to ban toys which in size, shape, or overall appearance
> resemble real handguns." Yes, you read that right. The
> Democrats are pushing the banning of _toy_ guns, if they
> resemble real guns in size, shape OR overall appearance.
>
> There's also "The NICS Improvement Act," H.R. 297 (
> http://tinyurl.com/2q88lf ). NICS, of course, is the
> national firearms background checks for the public required
> by the Brady law. We'd like to tell you more about the
> bill, but weirdly, no information on it has been posted on
> the Thomas Locator site for Congressional legislation.
>
> The most Draconian bill thus far, though, is "The Gun Show
> Loophole Closing Act of 2007," H.R. 96 (
> http://tinyurl.com/2m8vmr ). This misleadingly-named bill -
> - a gun-hater's dream come true -- systematically destroys
> not just the Second Amendment but a number of your other
> rights as well.
>
> Says Alan Korwin of HR 96:
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> "Under the original draft, currently legal gun shows are
> outlawed without prior federal permission. Gun show
> promoters must agree to warrantless searches in order to
> operate, and may be arrested if private citizens talk at
> the show about gun sales they wish to complete away from
> the show. The right to assemble peaceably at a gun show or
> even plan for one, carries stiff prison terms unless
> federal licenses are issued in advance. I am not making
> this up.
>
> "Massive new bureaucracy is created because all shows and
> their exhibitors must be registered 30 days before the
> show, then again 72 hours before the show, and again five
> days after the show. That's in addition to registering
> anyone who walks in, plus "any other information" the
> Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is
> necessary on vendors, attendees, and the show itself."
>
> This is just the beginning, folks. And we're in this alone.
> You may recall that President Bush has declared his
> willingness to sign any "assault weapons" bill that comes
> across his desk, so we probably shouldn't expect too much
> opposition to legislation of this type.
>
> All of these laws, of course, will be enforced by our
> "friends" at the BATFE. This begs the question: How many
> wake-up calls, and how many knocks at the door do we need?
> IF YOU HAVEN'T SUPPORTED THE MAKING OF OUR FILM _THE GANG_,
> WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
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> _The Gang_ ( www.jpfo.org/thegang.htm or
> www.thegangmovie.com ) focuses on the arbitrary,
> capricious, and yes, malicious activities of the BATFE. Our
> goal is not to "reform" or "reprimand" the BATFE: we want
> them OUT OF BUSINESS. We want to abolish ALL federal
> control and regulations of firearms. _The Gang_ will help
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> Please consider donating to this worthy cause. The
> Democrats in Congress are not going to stop their assault
> on our Second Amendment rights, and the Republicans don't
> appear to be able or willing to fight them.
>
> It's up to us.
>
> - The Liberty Crew
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That reminds me of my college history professor who always reminded us that hitler's ultimate goal was world peace!! I suppose having one race and one religion would end some wars, but I find it hard to believe that hitler was actually concerned about too much blood shed going on.
 

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So wait, there is a law that wants to treat the NRA like a lobbying group? Oh no, the horrors. Wait, they are a lobbying group.

I'm for gun rights but I don't have a problem with this change.
 

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Of course the NRA is a lobbying group. But we cant be out there scanning every little nook and cranny for bills the anti's are trying to quietly sneak through.
The NRA does this for us, lets us know, we bitch and moan to a congressman and kill the bill.
With the proposed amendment, it will make it difficult for the NRA to contact us simply by email, phone, or a magazine ad.
If we arent alerted all kinds of bills would sneak through against guns, thus no gun rights.

I imagine this could also affect pro-OHV organizations such as SAN (SEMA Action Network). And thats part of the reason I posted it here.

Who feels a need to keep down, small organizations whose purpose is to keep an eye on things for us down?
 
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