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She is using her resources to eliminate our access to trails. Use our resources to eliminate her wealth.

Article from the WSJ:
Recreation
Peeling Out, With Impunity

Now people who rip up the earth have their own parks; a Hummer spitting gravel
By CONOR DOUGHERTY
December 2, 2006; Page P1

GILBERT, Minn. -- Several weeks ago, Dan Olson took a drive in the woods, revving his blue Chevy Blazer through mud banks and over piles of boulders, coughing up plumes of smoke that smelled like a freeway accident.
In most towns, that would get you arrested. But Mr. Olson had traveled 4½ hours to an off-road park here that caters to all-terrain vehicle, Jeep and dirt-bike owners looking to tear around nature without fear of a trespassing ticket. "It's a lot of fun," says the mechanic from Colfax, Wis.
Area BFE in Moab, UtahThere's a new refuge for people whose hobbies run on the wrong side of public opinion: parks -- often on private property -- where guys (it's mostly men, but wives and girlfriends often come along for the ride) can rip up the earth without fear of the enviro cops. Over the last decade, the federal government and a number of states have banned off-roading from millions of acres of public land. Yet these vehicles are increasingly popular -- sales of ATVs over the past 10 years have almost tripled. That gap has created a business opportunity for entrepreneurs and local governments.
The parks -- there are now dozens, from South Carolina to Utah -- are gaining traction just as the off-road industry is rolling out a new generation of tricked-out vehicles: from buggies that climb up 80-degree inclines to the Quadski, a jet ski that converts into an ATV on land. The Rough Terrain Vehicle, a $30,000 buggy-like contraption from Rhino Off-Road Industries, has waist-high tires and roll bars across the roof. "Think of it as the child of a monster truck and an ATV," says Howard Pearl, Rhino's president.
Many of the off-road parks set up picnic tables and Port-o-Potties along the trails, which have names like "Axle Trap" and "Undertaker." Some offer ramps for trucks to attempt 50-foot leaps -- one park owner calls them "Dukes of Hazzard" jumps -- while others tout mogul runs of six-foot-high dirt piles and open fields for spinning donuts. At Iron Range Off-Highway Vehicle Recreation Area, the abandoned ore-mine-turned-offroad-park in Gilbert, a number of ATVers use "snorkels," or plastic extensions that allow vehicles to operate under water. The devices are banned on public lands in the state because submerged ATVs can pollute streams. Dave Schotzko, assistant manager of Iron Range, says that's not an issue at his park: "You can't really harm a gravel pit," he says.
The nation's off-roaders still spend most of their time on public forest and desert lands. But designated parks are increasingly an option, particularly for off-roaders in urban centers. Whether the parks are owned by private individuals or purchased by state and local governments to attract tourists, the goal is the same: to give off-roaders a place where they can escape the complaints about noise pollution, tire tracks and frightened animals.
In West Virginia, the government runs the Hatfield-McCoy trail system, a 500-mile network stitched together on land owned mostly by coal, timber and gas companies. Some 24,000 off-roaders used the park last year, compared with around 4,000 in 2001. In South Carolina, a pair of entrepreneurs have sunk $8 million into Carolina Adventure World, which is set to open early next year with cabins and a handful of yurts. Then there's Jeremy Parriott. The dirt biker and several partners paid around $1 million for 320 acres in the Utah desert, renamed it "Area BFE," and now let bikers and off-roaders ride free.
Iron Range Off-Highway Vehicle Recreation Area in Gilbert, Minn.For off-roaders, crackups are part of the thrill. At Iron Range, the same weekend Mr. Olson was tooling around, another Chevy Blazer tried to navigate a steep incline of mud, and tumbled down sideways, caving in the roof and ripping off a tire. A Hummer got stuck halfway up another long hill, its tires spitting gravel, and had to be bailed out with a winch.
The parks, though a popular outlet among off-roaders, aren't universally embraced. While the sales of former timber farms and other big plots provide an opportunity for well-heeled off-roaders to set up a ATV park -- they also provide an opening for conservation groups eager to rid those areas of "consumptive uses" like hunting and motorized recreation.
While the park in Gilbert was proposed in the mid-1990s -- at the time, the land was a popular spot to (illegally) dump old couches and refrigerators -- it took several years to realize. That's because of noise complaints, a lawsuit and the discovery of a rare fern on the stripped iron land.
It took Richard Mull four years to open his off-road park, Brushy Mountain Motorsports Park in Taylorsville, N.C. The first time Mr. Mull, a real-estate developer, tried to buy and rezone land, his plans prompted a big enough backlash, including threats of sabotage if the park were opened, that he abandoned the project without a fight. "We basically walked away from a year's time and $25,000 and started again," he says.
The off-road community argues that dedicated parks minimize the environmental harm. Trailpass, a network of private trails mainly in the Eastern U.S., says that its 1,000-plus miles of trails are built with bridges, to keep riders out of natural creeks, and switchbacks that counter erosion. Mr. Mull says he won't let in tires with more than a 3/4-inch tread because they rip up his trails, which he then has to pay to repair.
The off-road park clientele ranges from kids to retirees, and the trails are set up to appeal to novices as well as thrill seekers. The parks have borrowed the ski industry's green-blue-black nomenclature to rate the difficulty level of trails.
PLAYING DIRTY

A snapshot of some of the off-road parks that are popping up.
NAME PRICE DISTINGUISHING FEATURE COMMENT Area BFE
Moab, Utah Free Ramps are set up for a 50-foot leap -- the owner calls it the "Dukes of Hazzard" jump This park, on a uranium deposit in the Utah desert, is one of the more extreme in the country; among other tricks, it has metal railings that cars jump onto and slide down Hatfield-McCoy
Lyburn, W.Va. $19/day ATV riders can hit a McDonald's drive-through because the trail system runs through some small towns Among the country's largest off-roading networks, with 500 miles of trails spread over four counties in southern West Virginia Durhamtown Plantation
Union Point, Ga. $25/day ATVers have to share the park with hunters, anglers and skateboarders The 8,000 acres are deep with history, from remnants of moonshine stills to a cemetery that holds plantation families and slaves Paragon Adventure Park
Hazleton, Pa. $25 to $35 Off-road classes ($500) teach truck owners how to wade through water -- and recover their truck when it gets stuck The park has everything from green trails ("Turtle Trail") to trails that can't be accessed without a park guide ("Death Valley")
ATVs have also come under fire for their safety record, especially when the riders are children. The Consumer Product Safety Commission estimated that in 2004, the latest data available, ATVs were the cause of 136,100 emergency-room-treated injuries, up 48% from 2000. Mike Mount, spokesman for the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, the trade association for the ATV industry, says that because of the big increase in ATV usage, the injury rate has remained flat for the last couple of years. "We still want that number to go down," he says.
For towns like Gilbert, off-roading represents a chance to diversify an economy hit hard by the decline in mining jobs. The town's population has plummeted about 30% over the past two decades, to 1,800. The off-road park has spawned some new businesses in town. Fun Time Rental, which rents out ATVs and snowmobiles, runs out of stock most weekends. Across the street, Milt Lerfald, a laid-off miner, used savings and a bank loan to build a $500,000 car wash that caters to all the trucks and trailers that now pass through town.
But others are using their money to keep offroaders away. Roxanne Quimby, former CEO of cosmetics and candle company Burt's Bees, has spent just under $40 million since 2000 buying some 70,000 acres of forest land. She has shut down dozens of miles of ATV and snowmobile trails. For riders that ignore the new mandates, Ms. Quimby has erected gates, destroyed bridges and culverts that patch together trails, and laid boulders across access roads. "It's bad news for them when I buy a piece of property," says Ms. Quimby.
 

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I cant boycott burts bees, they do too much good as well. And I wouldnt mind closing places to atvs myself. Awareness is the best weapon if you ask me. Everybody go ahead and flame me if you want to, I can take it, but Im not boycotting burts bees.
 

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If she buys the land she can do as she damn well pleases as far as I'm concerned. It's the assholes who want to keep public lands to themselves that pisses me off.
 

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Mossyrocks said:
I cant boycott burts bees, they do too much good as well. And I wouldnt mind closing places to atvs myself. Awareness is the best weapon if you ask me. Everybody go ahead and flame me if you want to, I can take it, but Im not boycotting burts bees.
I agree with you, and they make good stuff.
Plus you need to read the post correctly.
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Roxanne Quimby, FORMER CEO of cosmetics and candle company Burt's Bees,
 

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Interesting that people place the need for a quality lip balm higher than trails for us and our kids to explore.... each to their own I guess.

As for the "Former CEO" part, I didn't notice that, but I'd bet large sums of money that she still has an intimate financial interest in the well-being of the company (stock options, profit sharing, something)

Dick - your public land statement is true, unfortunately, for over half the country, there isn't public land available to them.
 

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There is still lots of public land in your neck of the woods as I recall. There is a lot back east too but it's all locked up in parks so there is no wheeling allowed on any of it. That is the problem.
 

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well from our last discussion you know why its all closed over here..... It'd make you sick to see the way those places looked when they were closed.
 

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RedRunnertc said:
Interesting that people place the need for a quality lip balm higher than trails for us and our kids to explore.... each to their own I guess.

As for the "Former CEO" part, I didn't notice that, but I'd bet large sums of money that she still has an intimate financial interest in the well-being of the company (stock options, profit sharing, something)

Dick - your public land statement is true, unfortunately, for over half the country, there isn't public land available to them.
Its not that I like the lip balm better, its that they do a lot of good as well.

On a good note, there is some money being spent at tellico now to help protect things. Such as bridges to keep these dirty ass vehicles out of the water. You wouldnt believe some of the rigs around here.
 

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Once she's purchased it, it's hers to do with what she will, in the same way those creating parks are doing. While I disagree with her beliefs, she's going about it the right way.

However, I have seldom seen a more biased piece of "journalism". I think we would be better served by boycotting the Wall Street Journal or even better educating them.

I think we would also do well to better educate those same tree-hugger apologetics who always post to these threads with the same defeatist crap about how the Sierra Club and others looking to close our trails really have our best interests in mind, aren't really bad folks and we should suck up to them and beg them to be allowed to use small portions of public land.

After all, that has worked so well in the past. With friends like that, who needs enemas? ;)

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
 

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Wow - extremely biased article - and from the Wall Street Journal no less! I can't disagree more with that article. It even chastised the fact that an old ore mine (one of the most polluting activities) was converted into an off-road park. Unbelievable! There are a bunch of old mines on the EPA's Superfund National Priorities List costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars to clean up. How many off-road parks do we know of that have been designated Superfund sites? None!! They don't generate any hazardous substances!

On the contrary, they keep rural, undeveloped land from being developed and turned into yet another golf course, cookie-cutter housing development or strip mall - all of which drain fertilizers and pesticides from stormwater runoff. Now, how much fertilizer and pesticides need to be used to maintain an off-road park? None that I know of! It also mentioned that one place (Gilbert) was used as an illegal dump, and even with that fact the article tends to favor those who opposed the former illegal dump from being turned into a money-making, tax-base generating, LEGAL recreational activity that the WHOLE FAMILY can enjoy.

And to top it all off, it gleefully accepts as somehow true that the opposition considers it a "consumptive use," with no effort to dispute that claim. How in the heck is off-roading a "consumptive use"?!?! Consumptive use is mining ore, chopping down trees or drilling oil - some kind of resource is being "consumed". The only consumptive use I can think of is the act of making a trail where habitat (like trees and bushes) would have to be cut down. But former mines (BMRA and Superlift ORV are former strip mines if my information is correct) usually already have trails in place. So mines turned into ORV parks would not necessarily "consume" any more resources. And how is "hunting" a consumptive use? I always considered hunting to be wildlife management, but then again, I'm no game and fish biologist so maybe I'm wrong about that.

Either way, I thought the article was very biased and badly skewed against off-roading recreational activity.
 

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There is a lot back east too but it's all locked up in parks so there is no wheeling allowed on any of it. That is the problem.
Not true out here in TX. Probably 90% (a conservative estimate) of TX is privately owned. Yeah, there are a few National Forests, but they're very small in comparison to the huge tracts of federal lands out West, and they're also many hours' drive away for most folks. I'd say the rest of TX is fenced in barbwire by ranchers who don't take too kindly to trespassers.
 

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true but Texas has got to have the longest stretches of public, drivable beach of any other state, I think thats really saying something.
 

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i dont see why your ticked about it, so she makes it so people cant go wheel on her land... hell i wouldnt let wheelers go play in my backyard....
 

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The article makes it sound like the only purpose that she buys the land is to make sure that people can't 4 wheel. I agree, if I had a bunch of land, I'd seriously restrict the use, but that's different than buying the land for the sole purpose of cock blocking others from off roading.

Keep in mind that this is a biased, poorly written article in the first place, so I'm sure what she said is just as spun up as everything else in the article.
 

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The article makes it sound like the only purpose that she buys the land is to make sure that people can't 4 wheel. I agree, if I had a bunch of land, I'd seriously restrict the use, but that's different than buying the land for the sole purpose of cock blocking others from off roading.

Keep in mind that this is a biased, poorly written article in the first place, so I'm sure what she said is just as spun up as everything else in the article.

the article actually sounds liek its doing some good for wheelings, telling people there are legal places to go to keep them off of trails.... very briefly mentions at the end of another spectrum
 

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If I read correctly, she was formerly with Bert's Bee's... and if it's her land, who can say anything?

I guess I don't exactly understand the purpose of this particular post, although I agree that awareness of land use issues are important.

More telling to me was the typical condescending tone the entire article was written in, but I guess it should be expected from elite media.
 

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The point was to bring attention that there is a corporation whose interests are contrary to ours. Yes, she's the "former" CEO, but I'm sure her interests have been ingrained in the corporation. Yes, she can do whatever she pleases with the land she owns - but she's not buying it for her use, just to prevent people from using it in ways she doesn't like.

What if she were to offer $1B for the Rubicon? Everyone would have to agree that the county would be a fool not to sell it for such a sum, right? But it would be gone to our use FOREVER. Maybe I'm seeing a mountain instead of a molehill, but this is how it starts...
 
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