Being a person who enjoys shooting I was shocked to see most of if not all of the trash was from shooters! We filled up the back of my truck with trash ranging from bowling balls too propane tanks.mojavehanna said:Ran Odessa loop with Jeepguy, Jdblatt, MandAtaco, and Chillwilly on Sun. with no issues. Lots of fun and nice and clean trails... other than an abandoned H3 on the Odessa side of the loop with a broken tie rod and a few fresh dumps (with TP) at the "squeeze" on the Bismark Canyon side of the loop just up from the Doran Falls. What is wrong with people? Dont they, or at least someone in their group know this is totally wrong (and nasty)? If I was with someone who was going to take a shit right on the trail I would be totally pissed and never wheel with them again. At least go behind some bush/ rock off of the trail a ways and burry it properly so everyone after you doesnt have to look at your shit! What a totally trashy, lowlife, tasteless thing to do.
Thanks to everyone who picked up trash, now we just have to keep it this way. Unfortunately, over the past 30 years that Ive been going to the Calico area the shooting crowd seems to bring and leave the most trash, yet the off-roaders get blamed for it... figure that one out. At least this show that the off-road community cares about the area and wants to help keep it open. A clean up of this sort should be organized every year. Im my opinion it should be the policy of every organized trail run to pick up trash as you go.
It's all in the education! Most people just don't know! If I had never found these boards 10 years ago I wouldn't have known. I was raised by a white trash A-hole who brought his junk to the desert to dump it! It takes people that give a shit to tell there friends and to tell people they see off road.mojavehanna said:I know, I have been shooting most of my life. However, I was raised not to bring all of your garbage out to the desert, blast it into smithereens, then leave it with all of your beer cans, empty brass, and other garbage. Its sad, but thats the way it is for many. This gives a bad name to shooters as well... when will people learn not to shit where they eat?
I sincerely hope that the new information signs the BLM just put up dont get shot to hell in the next few years and the trash levels stay to a minimum, or else this may have been a "see we tried" tactic to give the BLM an excuse to close the area in the future if things go back to the way they were.
you should have heard it go, echoed loud in the canyonthunder chicken said:Good times for sure!
We worked our tails off cleaing up! I worked with a great group! I wish I could have stayed for the bbq & raffle but I had to get back. Any TTORA peps win cool stuff?
RJ- sorry to hear you broke. Ouch! Were you able to drive it home?
I'm no idiot if there are no off road places left to wheel then my product doesn't have much purpose!mojavehanna said:Jason if you think that is bad you should see behind my house and practically every other vacant section of empty desert bordering Las Vegas, its no different than the local dump. A lot of people disgust me, and yes, I do try to educate as many as possible on the subject but it is very hard to do without coming off as an A-hole yourself (especially drunken shooters!). The majority of the trash dumping here in Vegas is just like you said, local homeowners or construction guys that are too damn lazy to drive 15 minutes to the real dump. I recently read in another post something that struck a nerve with me, its not us vs. the environmental whacko's. We need too need to become environmentalists and care about the areas we use for motorized recreation or they will be taken from us. Maybe we dont need to be "extremists" but if someone has no concern for the land and is out running our trails, and making us look bad he/she is my enemy... not just the enviro-whacko's extremists.
Im glad that you have "seen the light", your recount of your youth is proof positive that we can make a difference. I will add that you, Wyatt, and DO seem to do more than your fair share in the effort to get the right message out there. Thank you guys for that.