[TheChiefSinner]

I remember the good old days when Glamis was free. Slowly we have let environmental wackos push us around, and take what we hold dear to us. They have proven to be total morons and not truly know anything. Evidence of this can be demonstrated by their fire managment in Southern CA. In the end they are directly responsible for homes burning in my opinion. Some of my favorite places have been closed or closed for a good portion of the year. Indian Flats for some damn frog mating season, Cedar Creek Falls for vegatation growth, and parts of Glamis for weeds and now bugs, and those are only the places that I frequently have visited in the past and know of first hand. If I didn't have a young son here in Southern California, I would be so out of here. I hate this state. I'm not a beach lover, and yeah the weather here is decent, but when you go across the country and see what else there is, it sure makes California look like a POS place to be. I went to North Dakota 3 times this year, one time driving through CA, AZ, NV, UT, ID, MT, and ND. There sure are some great places in this country to live.

 

[TheChiefSinner]

Okay, I'll bite. How are enviro whackos directly repsonsible for homes burning?

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The enviro wackos wont let the fire departments do controlled burns, so the chapparel gets too dense, and the leaves that shed from the chapparel build up. It is a common occurance that static electricity from eastern "santa ana" winds combined with super dry conditions (low humidity) can create a spontaneous combustion that causes many of the wildfires of Southern California. If the fire departments could take a proactive approach and do controlled burns, then they would be able to somewhat prevent these wildfires from getting so out of control. But hey, you wouldn't want to endanger some endangered cricket or grub would you? Ecological science says that chapparel should burn naturally once every seven years. It would definately burn if we didn't have fire departments. This info is always on the news every year. There is always a big wildfire, and the fire chief will be on the news explaining the need to do the controlled burns vs. environmental wackoism at the state level. I didn't just make it up. Chapparel that is 15 feet high is just a disaster waiting to happen. California democrat government officials are also a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[TheChiefSinner]

Wouldn't that be an indirect result? Either way, you're right in the necessity for prescribed burns. It's ironic though that the need for prescribed burns is a result of years of fire management (i.e. fire suppresion). I'm not advocating letting wildfires run rampant, that'd be silly...just pointing out that the problem isn't entirely attributable to enviro whackoism.

You can stick up for the enviro wackos if you want, but I just been locked out of too many of my favorite places to have enthusiasm for their cause. It is honorable that they fight for what they believe, and yes some of what they believe may be true, but nobody knows how to manage the whole ecosystem of earth, and I don't trust them to "guide" us. If you have been to Glamis, I'm sure you can testify that the world isnt going to miss a few sand beetles, flys, scorpions, weeds, or ants. The part of the dunes that is impacted by off roading is probably less than 10% of the entire dune complex, if even that. Sure there is other places to go, but Glamis is the great offroaders paradise of Southern California and maybe even the whole southwest. Can't we even have one place that the wackos will just leave us alone at?

 

[TheChiefSinner]

The thing that amazes me is to what lengths people will go to micro manage the use of public lands they have never personally visited or enjoyed. How often do you suppose these people actually enjoy these remote places?

I originally purchased my 4x4 as a means to access remote hiking, biking, fishing, and hunting spots. I soon discovered that getting there is often more fun. Now they want roadless wilderness which cannot be accessed by most people. Rich classist bastards.

Calling them bastards makes them out to be better than they really are.